Can Pakistan improve enough to dominate India and win the Champions Trophy next year?

[superfan]

The schedule for next year’s Champion Trophy was just announced. Pakistan is again set to play India in the tournament. I am sure as we get closer to the date, the match will be eagerly awaited by the fans of both countries. Given Pakistan’s recent form and performances, you would have to make India the favorites against Pakistan right now. On a bright note, Pakistan in my opinion has hit rock bottom in the LOIs and that has prompted many changes in the team and management.

Even though some of these changes have taken place before without much success, but at the same time, the pressure is on the team and the management to improve results. I am optimistic as we are starting to address issues (Fitness, Discipline) that have been ignored for too long.

What must Pakistan do in between to ensure that they are playing at a level that will make them the favorites to beat India and win the next year’s Champions Trophy?

 

[hur rizvi]

We are long way away from being a good LOI team

 

[The_Odd_One]

From nobodies to dominating? Seriously, people should be more moderate.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

If openers like Sharjeel can establish themselves, Pakistan will challenge anybody.

 

[MMHS]

It's a one-off therefore overall improvement doesn't matter much - it's about delivering on the day. For example, PAK WC team on 1999 was much better than that Indian team, but lost that match quite easily & to everyone's surprise Prasad was MoM.

I think, in a years' time PAK 'll improve lot in ODI - main issue with the team was fitness & some old faces holding on to spots. Besides, there were few disturbing elements. Under Arthur & Inzi, 1 years enough time for significant improvement, besides, next year, most of the players will be few months experienced in UK for this years' long tour of 1st & A team. Due to playing most matches in UAE & due to the incompetence of CS like IQ (& silence from Captain Misbah), PAK played in 2013 (in SAF & in CT), 3, probably 4 spinners in playing XI - I can already see that PAK forming an attack with 1.5 spinners - Asghar/Yasir + Malik/MoHa; rest are pacers & suiting early English summer.

But, beating India doesn't mean only PAK has to improve, rather has to perform on that day - same for IND as well. PAK has beaten IND in CT previously, but last 2 WC encounters, I think in total 7 catches were dropped, most of them dollies - both time IND batting 1st, which allowed them to post an imposing total. If at Edgbaston, PAK fielders allow Virat & Rahne to play 4 innings in total, improvements hardly matters. Apart from batting, India's strength is their 20 overs from Ash & Jaddu - 2 bowlers who 'll make most team as bowler only, but they add batting strength at 7 & 8 as well - in UK, early June they might struggle a bit, but then Virat & Binney might end-up taking a 5fer with their dibley-dobleys, you never know against PAK batting.

 

[Belawal2014]

Only way we win is a fluke win.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Play the right team then yes. I am not making excuses but we could have beaten both New Zealand and England in the ODI series. Lower order duds like Sarfraz, Anwar Ali etc let us down. I can gurantee that if this team plays, then we will challenge others

Azhar
Sharjeel
Hafeez
Babar
Malik/Akmal
Rizwan
Yamin
Amad
Gohar/Asghar
Amir
Hassan

Imam, Gohar/Asghar/, Malik/Akmal, Wahab, Saud

This is if Haris is not fit. If Haris is fit he can replace one of the top 3 and bat at 3.

 

[#GreenRoars]

With current team, we cant even win a single game.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

If Azhar doesnt display good captaincy in the England series then make Hafeez captain and Babar vice captain.

 

[Abdullah]

Play the right team then yes. I am not making excuses but we could have beaten both New Zealand and England in the ODI series. Lower order duds like Sarfraz, Anwar Ali etc let us down. I can gurantee that if this team plays, then we will challenge others

Azhar
Sharjeel
Hafeez
Babar
Malik/Akmal
Rizwan
Yamin
Amad
Gohar/Asghar
Amir
Hassan

This is if Haris is not fit. If Haris is fit he can replace one of the top 3 and bat at 3.

I mentioned this before we had nz in both odi games just didn't have the batting depth which Yamin and amad and even hasan will help

 

[Hasan123]

Play the right team then yes. I am not making excuses but we could have beaten both New Zealand and England in the ODI series. Lower order duds like Sarfraz, Anwar Ali etc let us down. I can gurantee that if this team plays, then we will challenge others

Azhar
Sharjeel
Hafeez
Babar
Malik/Akmal
Rizwan
Yamin
Amad
Gohar/Asghar
Amir
Hassan

This is if Haris is not fit. If Haris is fit he can replace one of the top 3 and bat at 3.

Good team sohail khan as a back up pacer with wahab, Sami Aslam as back up opener. That team with games will do well at champions trophy . If this could be a stable team like our test team it can do well

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Good team sohail khan as a back up pacer with wahab, Sami Aslam as back up opener. That team with games will do well at champions trophy . If this could be a stable team like our test team it can do well

Imam and Saud Shakeel are technically much better and have much more potential than Sami Aslam. Just ask any other knowledgeable poster like [MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION]

 

[Hasan123]

I think if we get combanation right we can do well at champions trophy.

 

[JaDed]

Can they beat India- Yes

Can they win CT- Nope as i don't think Pak can continuously win LOI matches that too KO.

 

[Hasan123]

Imam and Saud Shakeel are technically much better and have much more potential than Sami Aslam. Just ask any other knowledgeable poster like [MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION]

Hmm okay if they develop well I don't mind them. I have seen imaam play and he impressed me. Only heard good things about Saud but haven't seen him

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Hmm okay if they develop well I don't mind them. I have seen imaam play and he impressed me. Only heard good things about Saud but haven't seen him

You saw the scorecard of the first ODI between HBL and Afghanistan right?

 

[Hasan123]

You saw the scorecard of the first ODI between HBL and Afghanistan right?

Yes very impressive. I saw Imaam at u19 world cup in 2014 and some games in against England u19, me and my dad was impressed

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Yes very impressive. I saw Imaam at u19 world cup in 2014 and some games in against England u19, me and my dad was impressed

Yes I have watched him play a few times and have been impressed as well. Wish I couldve seen the knock against Afghanistan though

 

[Hasan123]

Yes I have watched him play a few times and have been impressed as well. Wish I couldve seen the knock against Afghanistan though

Suprised Inzi didn't put him on A tour at least

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Imam and Saud Shakeel are technically much better and have much more potential than Sami Aslam. Just ask any other knowledgeable poster like [MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION]

Even if Saud doesn't score in England still I will rate him higher than both the chaps. Because he is highly talented batsman and players do get out of form aswell.

Because of stance, style of play, technique & efficiency against Pacers I rate Imam ul Haq higher than Sami Aslam but this is a fact that in U-19, List A & Fc cricket Sami has been far more consistent than Imam ul Haq in run making but it seems like now Imam has matured all of a sudden and has turned a corner which is very good for Pakistan Cricket in the long run.
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[The_Odd_One]

Play the right team then yes. I am not making excuses but we could have beaten both New Zealand and England in the ODI series. Lower order duds like Sarfraz, Anwar Ali etc let us down. I can gurantee that if this team plays, then we will challenge others

Azhar
Sharjeel
Hafeez
Babar
Malik/Akmal
Rizwan
Yamin
Amad
Gohar/Asghar
Amir
Hassan

Imam, Gohar/Asghar/, Malik/Akmal, Wahab, Saud

This is if Haris is not fit. If Haris is fit he can replace one of the top 3 and bat at 3.

Yeah right and openers and middle order batsmen are giving Pakistan flying start, right? Most of the time, Pakistan is like 200/4 in 30 overs and then Sarfraz and the rest mess it up.

 

[www787]

India has Kholi. Kholi is the best batsman India has every produced. So no, we can't.

 

[LastManstanding]

For the last time people, its Kohli, not Kholi.

 

[mz123]

Odi team should be:

1-Azhar Ali
2-Imam ul Haq
3-Harris sohail
4-Babar azam
5-Saud shakeel
6-Shoaib Malik
7-Umar Akmal
8-Imad Wasim
9-Wahab Riaz
10- Mohammad Amir
11-Junaid khan

In this squad you have 3 fast bowlers, one all rounder and 5 part timers in saud, shoaib, Harris, azhar and imam. Umar Akmal should be groomed and must learn to wicketkeep. Sarfaraz is a very good wicketkeeper, however he is not a batsman who can finish off an innings and give the team a strong total, I believe we can use shoaib, umar, Imad and Wahab as finishers.
We should go for Junaid as I don't see any other bowler who can do better than him in Odis( maybe sohail tanvir or Sadaf Haussain).
Please give me you thoughts. Thanks.

 

[Syed1]

India will definitely win, but I'll be happy if we make them sweat for it..

 

[Syed1]

India has Kholi. Kholi is the best batsman India has every produced. So no, we can't.

Kohli is human, he can get nazla bhukar on the day of the match or worse julab..

 

[FreakCricket]

pakistan's limited over unit doesn't have match winners, we want just one kohli to guide this team!

 

[Ab Fan]

They may choke SA and sneak into semis.

 

[Belawal2014]

Kohli is human, he can get nazla bhukar on the day of the match or worse julab..

We can hope for a brainfade from Rohit, Dhawan, Kohli....Raina..MSD. Ok, nvm. :ahmed

 

[troodon]

Pak can still beat any team. All they need is Amir to bowl brilliantly and demolish the opposition or someone like Sharjeel or Umar Akmal have one of those rare awesome days.

Problem is Pak can never keep up their performance. They just are not talented enough both in batting and now in Bowling too to win consistently.

 

[ExplicitAI]

I'm putting money on India to win this game comprehensively and Kohli to steal the show.

 

[street cricketer]

I hope we play this line up:

Rohit
Dhawan
Kohli
Pandey
Rahul
Dhoni (c) (wk)
Jadeja
Ashwin
Bhuvi
Shami
Bumrah

Reserves: Rahane, Raina, Pandya and Yadav.

 

[Justcrazy]

Pakistan can beat India , its no rocket science.

Firstly the fielders have to catch well and covert chances in to wickets.

Secondly , one of the openers has to bat till 35 th 40th over mark and rest should play around him.

Third , fast bowlers , need to use the conditions instead of trying to ball fast,.

 

[StreetSmart]

Still hoping they can beat India ? In your dreams boy the only way Pakistan can beat India is in video game.

 

[big_gamer007]

Obviously anything can happen but the probability of this happening is very very slim..

They might beat India in a one off but to win tournament thy need to beat other top sides too so probability of that happening keeps on diminishing as they keep playing better teams than themselves..

 

[ManFan]

Gold.

 

[Abdullah]

This is some epic the.
Cant believe it hasn't been bumped till today.
Talk nah boys