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Can Pakistan square the series by winning the 2nd Test match in Multan?

Can Pakistan square the series by winning the 2nd Test match in Multan?

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Given the way England dissected our bowling in the 1st Test, even the most optimistic Pakistan fans would be worried about a 3-0 thrashing.

So can Pakistan have the strength/wherewithal to square the series by winning the 2nd Test?
 
England are too good for Pakistan. Whatever we do, they will one step ahead.
 
Savak said:
England are too good for Pakistan. Whatever we do, they will one step ahead.
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Eng had given a golden chance for Pakistan to go one up despite dominating the first test.
 
Toothless bowling attack. Giving Zahid Mehmood a chance because he was "in line". Is this gully cricket?
No Haris Rauf, not that he didn't bowl horribly, but atleast he was an internationally recognized bowler.
Mohammad Ali channeling Shoaib Akhtar and bowling 120ks on flat roads screaming "hit me".
This was a horrible test match bowling attack. Until Pakistan fix this they're gonna get bazzballed and bulldozed again
 
Pakistan can come back into this series, particularly if it’s a different sort of pitch — yes, absolutely.
 
I won't rule Pakistan entirely out. But Pakistan has no answer right now after this humiliation.
 
Already predicted 2-0 to England before they landed here, knowing Pindi a flat deck so it will be a draw, but they've won here it could be 3-0
 
Of course, Pakistan all the way!! They always respond back strongly after a defeat.
 
Had feeling before the series that this would be 1st time ever i saw england having a chance to win test away to pakistan, because they had improved and pakistan are so cowardly poor.
 
I think Pakistan should produce a turning pitch against England. Dust bowl pitch.

India beat England very easily at home thanks to turning pitches. Even Bangladesh beat England in a Test last time they toured BD (sluggish Mirpur pitch).

Flat pitch or pace-friendly pitch is too easy for England.
 
If Pakistan make batting pitch again, will get demolished again. If they make greenish pitch, both Anderson and Robinson will create havoc. Their only chance is make a spinner friendly track and take advantage of home conditions and outplay the clueless English spinners.
 
Pakistan will have chances if they change their defensive approach and play this line up:

Imam
Shafique
Shan
Babar
Saud
Sarfaraz
Nawaz
Faheem
Naseem
Wasim jnr
Abrar
 
Maliq_Mudasir said:
Pakistan will have chances if they change their defensive approach and play this line up:

Imam
Shafique
Shan
Babar
Saud
Sarfaraz
Nawaz
Faheem
Naseem
Wasim jnr
Abrar
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Hassan Ali was wrongly dropped , he was one of the reasons for the wins against SA last year.
 
Only chance is if Abrar Ahmed has an impact and babar plays a goat inning
 
The curator for Multan game should be sent on Christmas leave and let the wicket bake under sun with no roller or if it has grass should not be shoved off, Pakistan only chance against Eng is a fluke performance and having gone one up Eng will Come hard at them, also a BOG meeting should be called by PCB to find a quartet of bowlers for this game.

I'd say go with experience this rookie attack has created history for wrong reasons

Imam
ABShafiq
Shan
Babar
Azhar
Sarfraz
Nawaz
Faheem
Shadab
Hassan Ali
Naseem

Continue to play the internee like Zahid, Ali and we will get more humiliation
 
Maliq_Mudasir said:
Pakistan will have chances if they change their defensive approach and play this line up:

Imam
Shafique
Shan
Babar
Saud
Sarfaraz
Nawaz
Faheem
Naseem
Wasim jnr
Abrar
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WasimJr another recipe for disaster he will have figures of 0/285
 
Ahmed216 said:
Does Pak play to win?
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Yes they do. But they have a different approach. They first play to not lose and then go for the win.

It is hard to take England as an example because they are a completely new phenomenon. No other team in the world is like them. They are a product of very long, very hard thinking and coaching.

If Pakistan try to copy them, they will lose by an innings.

Pakistan's best bet is to make sporting pitches, play spinners and hope this crash boom bang doesn't work for England on a wicket with juice.
 
I will play this team

Imaam
Abdullah
Azhar (should be dropped but won't be dropped)
Babar
Saud
Rizwan
Fahim ashraf
Nawaz
Naseem
Ali
Abrar.
 
No. Only chance Pak had was if we won the first test. Now a confident England will run away with it rather easily. Our batting again doesn't offer much threat compared to England's ultra offensive approach. They are too good for this Pak side.
 
England can achieve a rare feat of whitewashing pakistan in pakistan. Pakistan dont have enough quality in the bowling department to challenge englands batting ,our batting folds against bounce and reverse swing.
 
sweep_shot said:
I think Pakistan should produce a turning pitch against England. Dust bowl pitch.

India beat England very easily at home thanks to turning pitches. Even Bangladesh beat England in a Test last time they toured BD (sluggish Mirpur pitch).

Flat pitch or pace-friendly pitch is too easy for England.
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Either we don't know how to make turning pitches or turning pitches don't suit Pakistan environment because I reckon in last match and series Vs Australia ramiz tried to make spinning pitch however ended up making full road.
 
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England would have struggled if we had quality spinner, Misbah Thrived with Ajmal and co. Babar doesn't have that luxury, Zahid is extremely poor if that's the best leggie Pakistan has, i am afraid dark times ahead.

With limited Brain cellls that babar and mgmt has, they will pick the same side barring the forced injury to Rauf.
Who will replace Rauf though ?
 
I'm guessing it will be another flat pitch with slight turn.

One thing Pakistan have going for them is that the England seamers are exhausted as they gave everything to win the pindi test

Pakistan will have a better rested bowling attack with faheem and possibly abbas coming.

Bat first and make the eng seamers toil
It will be remarkable if the eng seamers manage to bowl well again with a break of 3 days
 
We are clearly tactically inferior to England with their players shoulders above Pakistans talent wise. This England test team seems almost revolutionary in the way they approach tests, to come to the subcontinent and consistently score around 6 runs per over speaks volumes of this. Our team and management should be ashamed of preparing such a pitch and then to lose on top of that has been, at least for myself, very humbling. I wouldnt be surprised with a whitewash and will be a much needed wake up call for this squad.
 
sindhiboy said:
I'm guessing it will be another flat pitch with slight turn.

One thing Pakistan have going for them is that the England seamers are exhausted as they gave everything to win the pindi test

Pakistan will have a better rested bowling attack with faheem and possibly abbas coming.

Bat first and make the eng seamers toil
It will be remarkable if the eng seamers manage to bowl well again with a break of 3 days
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England have the squad strength to rotate their seamers here.

Mark Wood will come in for either James Anderson or Ollie Robinson, depending on who has pulled up better after Rawalpindi. Jamie Overton is also available if needed.

Ben Stokes will hold himself back and only bowl in crunch situations (such as yesterday), which he confirmed in an interview last night.

England will be replacing the injured Liam Livingstone, so they have a choice of whether to go for an extra bowler and keep Ollie Pope as wicketkeeper, or bring back Ben Foakes to pack the batting.

Will England retain Will Jacks? He had a pretty good debut, but Pakistan seemed to feast on his bowling in the second innings.

We will probably see a lot of overs from Jack Leach in Multan, with the seamers taking turns at the other end.

Essentially, England have good dilemmas, and they will not be at all worried about fatigue.
 
Very tough for Pakistan unless they improve radically a Test attack having only 34 wickets between them the weakest since mid-1950s tells the whole story.

Eng will feast on them again
 
sindhiboy said:
I'm guessing it will be another flat pitch with slight turn.

One thing Pakistan have going for them is that the England seamers are exhausted as they gave everything to win the pindi test

Pakistan will have a better rested bowling attack with faheem and possibly abbas coming.

Bat first and make the eng seamers toil
It will be remarkable if the eng seamers manage to bowl well again with a break of 3 days
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Mark wood might come in to the side. ALso overton is a possibility. Spinners don't get overly tired anyway.
 
Get Hurraira in the squad and replace Azhar, Abrar in for Zahid. Rauf replacement is a tougher call but just get the next best domestic seamer after Mohammad Ali - whether that's Mir Hamza, Ihsanullah, Aamer Jamal or whoever.

Should make the team a lot stronger.
 
Our pace attack even at full strength at test level is on par with the Windies, so with Shaheen and Rauf injured out is is truly a terrible attack. Don’t see us winning any games, and rightly so.
 
Pakistans best bet is make a dog of a wkt 200 plays 150 Bring the score down n get the pitch to misbehave so bazball will backfire

Pakistan aint winning if its a flat road again
 
sweep_shot said:
I think Pakistan should produce a turning pitch against England. Dust bowl pitch.

India beat England very easily at home thanks to turning pitches. Even Bangladesh beat England in a Test last time they toured BD (sluggish Mirpur pitch).

Flat pitch or pace-friendly pitch is too easy for England.
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Pakistan needs to make a spin friendly pitch and play 2 spinners, looking at Agha Salman's First class bowling record, he is not a genuine spin bowler, just a part timer type of a bowler.

However I doubt Pakistan have capable grounds men for that, Pakistan has totally failed to prepare proper pitches in recent past. Reason for that is they don't have qualified grounds men. They probably have some lowly paid people who have no idea how to prepare pitches. This is a direct failure of PCB
 
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Corridor of Uncertainty said:
Yes they do. But they have a different approach. They first play to not lose and then go for the win.

It is hard to take England as an example because they are a completely new phenomenon. No other team in the world is like them. They are a product of very long, very hard thinking and coaching.

If Pakistan try to copy them, they will lose by an innings.

Pakistan's best bet is to make sporting pitches, play spinners and hope this crash boom bang doesn't work for England on a wicket with juice.
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If you play not to lose, your chances of winning is rare. When you are playing with that mentality you are giving a huge chance to the opposition which they will mostly grab with both hands. No wonder Pakistan has been losing more than they are winning. Mostly teams at least at home start with the mentality to win and only play to draw if the game has gone way too far for them to come back.
 
I’m not sure that we will see anything radically different from the Rawalpindi pitch in the remainder of the series. Good quality Test match pitches can’t pop up overnight.
 
cricketAXEpert said:
Pakistan needs to make a spin friendly pitch and play 2 spinners, looking at Agha Salman's First class bowling record, he is not a genuine spin bowler, just a part timer type of a bowler.

However I doubt Pakistan have capable grounds men for that, Pakistan has totally failed to prepare proper pitches in recent past. Reason for that is they don't have qualified grounds men. They probably have some lowly paid people who have no idea how to prepare pitches. This is a direct failure of PCB
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I think they should try usman qadir in tests on a turning pitch. His leg breaks turns a long way and can bowl goolies as well. Unfortunately he is being wasted in t20s where wickets are mostly batsmen freindly and they can go after him easily for sixes.
 
Jazx said:
I think they should try usman qadir in tests on a turning pitch. His leg breaks turns a long way and can bowl goolies as well. Unfortunately he is being wasted in t20s where wickets are mostly batsmen freindly and they can go after him easily for sixes.
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If you want to go with worse fingers than Zahid then yes pick Qadir.
 
Michael Atherton on Sky:

“The great difficulty here in Multan are going to be the short days. It goes dark as it did in Pindi in the evenings, and we are getting fog here in the morning, so we can expect a delayed start"

“So, if you know off a bit at the start and knock off a bit at the end, you are probably going to lose a day. So, it is essentially going to be a four-day Test match. Will that be enough time to force a result? We shall see"

“I think England will try and go hard again, and they probably have to if we are losing a day. Will they think about batting just once in the Test match? Will they think about bowling first? We can’t discount anything with Ben Stokes in charge"

“He [Stokes] really wants to forget about convention and tradition and tear up the rule book and do it his way. Whatever he thinks is England’s best route to victory, he will go down that route even if it means using fairly unorthodox and non-traditional methods,"
 
Yes. Pakistan can and should square the series as the home team. If they lose again, that would be shocking.
 
James said:
I’m not sure that we will see anything radically different from the Rawalpindi pitch in the remainder of the series. Good quality Test match pitches can’t pop up overnight.
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They did mess up the Pindi wicket overnight though. It was the best wicket in the domestic competition in terms of healthy competition between bat and the ball.
 
shamaan said:
If you want to go with worse fingers than Zahid then yes pick Qadir.
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😄 what can be even more worse than what happened in first innings in rawalpindi. Mediocore spinners like nauman, zahid are tried already. Can try qadir as well who can turn the ball more than them.
 
Jazx said:
�� what can be even more worse than what happened in first innings in rawalpindi. Mediocore spinners like nauman, zahid are tried already. Can try qadir as well who can turn the ball more than them.
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Turn the ball back in to the standards :)
 
Babar's captaincy , Azhar's permanent spot and coached by Saqlain , not a winning formula .
 
I would love to have the optimism of others but with this attack I don’t have any confidence.
 
I'm afraid to get whitewashed against a foreign team. I hope we can draw at either Multan or Karachi but not very hopeful. England team means business and this is the weakest Test team we have produced ever.
 
giri26 said:
If you play not to lose, your chances of winning is rare. When you are playing with that mentality you are giving a huge chance to the opposition which they will mostly grab with both hands. No wonder Pakistan has been losing more than they are winning. Mostly teams at least at home start with the mentality to win and only play to draw if the game has gone way too far for them to come back.
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I agree. I just stated what their approach is, not if it is the right one.

However, they have done the right thing but allowing the track to spin.
 
Unless they score 400 or 500 in 1st inns they wont have a chance of winning, sadly i can see us just get on par with 1st inns score and it will become a 1 inns shoot out.
 
Its looking like a massive long shot now.

England are odds on to go 2-0 up.
 
No way ..Get ready for 3-0
Pakistan need to change captain.
No bits and pieces players like Nawaz,Salman,
Separate squad for test cricket.
Abdullah Shafiq
Shaan Masood
Usman salahuddin
Babar
Saud
Sarfaraz
Mubasir khan
Abrar
Zafar gohar
Naseem Shah
M.abbas
 
I think we are heading towards a 3-0 series whitewash.

Pakistan if lucky may scrape a draw in the final Test, but things don't look good.

This Pakistan Test team is a shambles.

Heads have to roll.
 
In all time of watching pakistani cricket i had never fancied england beating pakistan in pakistan or the UAE, But before this series was 1st time i had fears it would happen. One team looks like its got game plans for the opposition, conditions and is playing positively - the other side is pakistan.

Not seen such rubbish since moin khan was in charge and lost to england. This will end up 3-0 and is pretty shamefu. You wouldnt see india, SL or Bangldesh being so feeble in home conditions vs england.

Usual bottle jobs will fail with bat in 2nd inns.
 
Saj said:
I think we are heading towards a 3-0 series whitewash.

Pakistan if lucky may scrape a draw in the final Test, but things don't look good.

This Pakistan Test team is a shambles.

Heads have to roll.
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100% Babar, Saqi, Rameez and Mo wasim need to be sacked.
 
People in the corporate world are held accountable and terminated brutally if they don't do their job for one year and then we have Babar Azam, three years in charge, win, loss, doesn't matter, there is no alternative, he has to continue as captain. Sums up the mediocrity in Pakistan Cricket and why players remain in mediocre comfort zones.
 
England came to Pakistan with proper homework. In this 2nd test they read the pitch and opened their bowling with Leach along with Anderson whereas Babar introduced first spinner Abrar in 9th over of 1st inning and 7th over of 2nd innings. In test matches you cannot give time to opposition to settle down, need to build pressure from the start
 
Lots of time left - Pakistan have to show intent now.
 
Why these sort of ptredictions right now . Let the series be over first and then the analaysis can be done
 
Well well like it or not Pakistan still have a chance amidst a slightest chance
 
James said:
Its looking like a massive long shot now.

England are odds on to go 2-0 up.
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Things have shifted a bit here…

England just need to keep sneaking a wicket here & there because I do think it will be really tough for Pakistan to win as the target gets closer and the pressure grows, but say another 100 runs for the loss of 0 or 1 wicket and 300-5 at Lunch would be set up for an incredibly close finish.
 
Pakistan should bat freely. That's their only chance to score these runs.
 
Cricket is a funny game. One 50 by either Faheem or Nawaz and you never know.
 
On paper it looks achievable 157 runs with 2 days left and 6 wickets on a reasonable pitch , 7 out of 10 times you back the chasing side, but this is Pakistan team there us no experience player left with 4 wickets down, Faheem is making a comeback Saud in his 2nd game, Nawaz has choked badly in previous tournament and Mr. Agha the less said the better, that's why it was criminal to not pick Sarfraz in playing 11 for Test cricket
 
I have a feeling we will make it. They have become innocuous against lefties and we have 2 lefties in faheem and Nawaz. Salman needs to stay till end while faheem and Nawaz go for normal runs and put them under pressure. Key will be surviving new ball. Must try to smack it abit to reduce target for tailenders. If it's 40 runs left with tail they could try to get it by just smacking lose balls. Surviving the day will make you lose as there are likely6 magical balls left on pitch and they will take your wicket.
 
England have treated Pakistan with the contempt and disdain they deserve. Lambs to the slaughter، sitting ducks, lame chicken.

At what point in a match against an already blase England do you change tact?. Keep tuk tukking and lose by 75 again or go on the Pant/ England offensive and make the target doable?.

England have virtually dangled a massive stick of rhubarb and Pakistan have somehow missed it.
 
Pakistani batsmen oddly stopped playing shots once the target was below 75. I’ve never seen something so bizarre.
 
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