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Can Pakistan still rely on Shaheen Shah Afridi as their main frontline bowler?

Can Pakistan still rely on Shaheen Shah Afridi as their main frontline bowler?

  • Yes, he just needs to regain form

    Votes: 1 8.3%

  • No, Pakistan should look for other options

    Votes: 11 91.7%
  • Total voters
    12
shaz619 said:
Never seen a bowler take so many fluke wickets bowling absolute tripe, the game against WI’s was a good reflection of his abilities these days. He is limited to bowling cutters now because the coward wont bend his back, he is best suited to doing a bhangra against low ranked opposition in pointless bilaterals no one cares about anymore. The sad thing is the tool is taking up the spot of a youngster you ought to be developing further, especially during such series.
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It was mainly filthy bowling, but as @Mamoon commented on some post, he is still a wicket magnet.
We have to hope he gets back to his best soon, but really I would only play him for now in T20 and the odd ODI where conditions may be helpful.
 
BreadPakoda said:
This is alarming. So he’s almost a “medium-fast” bowler now? Not even fast-medium.
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around 2.5 years ago @Major created a thread presenting the theory that post-injury Shaheen was unable to bowl quick again and thus was trying to remodel himself as an allrounder in PSL. He hasn't been the same during this period, so we can probably safely assume he isn't going to ever bowl quick again.
 
His stats are Inflated by Taking useless wickets at death when oppositions usually had smashed us into submission.. He cant swing the ball in opening overs.. Relies on defensive t20 Bowling in ODI.
 
Shaheen did ok job at his return. If he was 10% fit, he should have played all three ODIs. Resting him for an important game was a pathetic decision even though he might have done same kind of job like other bowlers did but you never know...

Anyway, He is still better than Naseem
 
Pakistan’s greatest fast bowler since Imran and the two Ws. He has been at the heart of the most famous wins for Pakistan in the last 4 years and he has given his best and proved himself to be Pakistan’s best bowler even while carrying injuries.

He is also the best white ball captain in Pakistan and he needs to be rewarded for his success in PSL. PCB treated him unfairly last year but they have more than enough time to make amends and set the record straight.

One of the best new ball bowlers ever — his first over is a story in itself. He has plenty of cricket left in him and plenty of match-winning performances left in the tank. A superstar.
 
Mamoon said:
You mean the Super Over vs USA where the mentally strong and big match player Amir, bowled the worst Super Over in history?
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Half of Shaheen’s ODI wickets are useless wickets when oppositions had usually smashed us. His 5 wickets in Bengaluru against Aus is prime example of that. His job is to take out top order which he consistently fails nowadays
 
It's embarrassing to see what Shaheen has become, which is basically a garden-variety trundler. As someone who was such a big fan of him and had such high hopes from him, it hits particularly hard.

I genuinely thought he was finally going to be our next flagship fast-bowler after Wasim and Waqar, but seeing him regress at such a stunning rate has been deeply disappointing.

I can't say I have any hopes from him now. And neither should anyone else.
 
Mamoon said:
You mean the Super Over vs USA where the mentally strong and big match player Amir, bowled the worst Super Over in history?
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I just wanted to check-in with Shaheen & how far he is actually willing to take his alleged patriotism when it comes to crunch cricket
 
Mamoon said:
Pakistan’s greatest fast bowler since Imran and the two Ws. He has been at the heart of the most famous wins for Pakistan in the last 4 years and he has given his best and proved himself to be Pakistan’s best bowler even while carrying injuries.

He is also the best white ball captain in Pakistan and he needs to be rewarded for his success in PSL. PCB treated him unfairly last year but they have more than enough time to make amends and set the record straight.

One of the best new ball bowlers ever — his first over is a story in itself. He has plenty of cricket left in him and plenty of match-winning performances left in the tank. A superstar.
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He’s not going to be the Jimmy Anderson of Pakistan that you thought he was going to be unfortunately 🤡
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
Half of Shaheen’s ODI wickets are useless wickets when oppositions had usually smashed us. His 5 wickets in Bengaluru against Aus is prime example of that. His job is to take out top order which he consistently fails nowadays
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Shaheen takes a high percentage of his wickets in the first over of the match due to which he is one of the most revered new ball bowlers in the world. Your criticism is not grounded in reality.
 
shaz619 said:
He’s not going to be the Jimmy Anderson of Pakistan that you thought he was going to be unfortunately 🤡
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He is a better all-format bowler than Anderson. Unfortunately, he doesn't have the luxury of playing Test matches every summer in beautiful English weather.
 
shaz619 said:
I just wanted to check-in with Shaheen & how far he is actually willing to take his alleged patriotism when it comes to crunch cricket
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He is a far bigger patriot than a garbage human being and a disgraced fixer.
 
Mamoon said:
Shaheen takes a high percentage of his wickets in the first over of the match due to which he is one of the most revered new ball bowlers in the world. Your criticism is not grounded in reality.
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He can’t bowl 6 deliveries in one spot when the ball is swinging

He can’t find a length when the batters have seen off the new ball and go after him.
 
Rana said:
He can’t bowl 6 deliveries in one spot when the ball is swinging
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Neither can Starc. Neither could Wasim Akram. Bowlers who generate a lot of late movement generally struggle to have the kind of metronomical consistency of line and length that bowlers like McGrath, Ambrose, Pollock and these days, Hazlewood etc. have.

It is not a problem, as he regularly bowlers snorters which makes him a huge threat with the new ball and it results in wickets even when currently his pace is not as high as it was 3 years ago.
Rana said:
He can’t find a length when the batters have seen off the new ball and go after him.
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His death bowling is not very good, it is an area of improvement. Then again, death bowling is very difficult in this era, as the ball doesn't do much. The number of good death bowlers these days is extremely low, probably the lowest in cricket history.
 
Rana said:
He can’t bowl 6 deliveries in one spot when the ball is swinging

He can’t find a length when the batters have seen off the new ball and go after him.
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You’re talking to a brick wall…

@Mamoon can never be wrong.

Shaheen is a goat

Imam is a goat that likes to ride horses.

Babar is a goat

Rizwan is a goat

All these players could fail again for the next 2 years and they’ll still be in a “lean patch”.
 
YousafTheBeast said:
You’re talking to a brick wall…

@Mamoon can never be wrong.

Shaheen is a goat

Imam is a goat that likes to ride horses.

Babar is a goat

Rizwan is a goat

All these players could fail again for the next 2 years and they’ll still be in a “lean patch”.
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I understand that but it’s still important to not allow falsehood to prevail in the name of FOS.

There are idiots here who latch on to this brick wall as their Messiah in tough times.
 
Mamoon said:
Neither can Starc. Neither could Wasim Akram. Bowlers who generate a lot of late movement generally struggle to have the kind of metronomical consistency of line and length that bowlers like McGrath, Ambrose, Pollock and these days, Hazlewood etc. have.

It is not a problem, as he regularly bowlers snorters which makes him a huge threat with the new ball and it results in wickets even when currently his pace is not as high as it was 3 years ago.

His death bowling is not very good, it is an area of improvement. Then again, death bowling is very difficult in this era, as the ball doesn't do much. The number of good death bowlers these days is extremely low, probably the lowest in cricket history.
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Rana said:
He can’t bowl 6 deliveries in one spot when the ball is swinging

He can’t find a length when the batters have seen off the new ball and go after him.
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Wasim Ghulam said:
Half of Shaheen’s ODI wickets are useless wickets when oppositions had usually smashed us. His 5 wickets in Bengaluru against Aus is prime example of that. His job is to take out top order which he consistently fails nowadays
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Consistency isnt an issue, it's his pace and fitness in general.

We saw how poorly Bumrah bowled in the 4th test and the 1st test(4th innings) primisrly due to the fact that his fitness is rubbish. How length and length against England doesnt matter if he is bowling 120KPH pies.

Shaheen bowls at 128 to 135 KPH nowadays. And I am being extremely generous with the 135 range.

132 is his usual number.

Lastly lol at Shaheen being the 3rd greatest, Amir, Waqar, Umar Gul, Asif etc etc were all better then him. Fixing has no relevance to skill.

Dont mention the super over, comparing a player at the back end of his international career to a player in his supposed so called prime is extremely cynical and ratty in nature.
 
mominsaigol said:
Consistency isnt an issue, it's his pace and fitness in general.
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The thing is bro, consistency and control is the only weapon you have as a bowler if your pace and fitness is in a decline.

You can compare the series pitch map of a bowler like Jayden Seales who averaged 40 before the series with all of Pakistan seamers. The guy is quicker than all of them but you will not see him spray the ball around the way Shaheen with his 100+ ODI wickets has been doing. Everything he has been doing is from that one length honing on back of a length top of off. Kept persisting with it. He was rewarded handsomely and played a key role in Windies winning the series. I don’t think Shaheen is a complete spray gun but I’m not impressed with his tendency to want to try too much in every over and often giving the release ball to release the pressure on the batters. He’s been doing this for a long time now. We all know Shaheen starts ticking if he isn’t bowling deliveries that are hitting the Pads or beating the batters into the stumps, and then he starts doing styling things that result in multiple boundaries per over.
 
You know Shaheen is utterly useless and garbage when Mamoon is going out of his way to praise him.

PCB needs to phase out Shaheen and develop fast bowling bench strength as we can't keep going back to the trio of Shaheen, Naseem, Rauf, Hasan Ali etc
 
Rana said:
The thing is bro, consistency and control is the only weapon you have as a bowler if your pace and fitness is in a decline.

You can compare the series pitch map of a bowler like Jayden Seales who averaged 40 before the series with all of Pakistan seamers. The guy is quicker than all of them but you will not see him spray the ball around the way Shaheen with his 100+ ODI wickets has been doing. Everything he has been doing is from that one length honing on back of a length top of off. Kept persisting with it. He was rewarded handsomely and played a key role in Windies winning the series. I don’t think Shaheen is a complete spray gun but I’m not impressed with his tendency to want to try too much in every over and often giving the release ball to release the pressure on the batters. He’s been doing this for a long time now. We all know Shaheen starts ticking if he isn’t bowling deliveries that are hitting the Pads or beating the batters into the stumps, and then he starts doing styling things that result in multiple boundaries per over.
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Reply was for Mamoon, I pinged you and @Wasim Ghulam to just chip and be aware of the conversation as you guys were arguing prior.

Consistency + Control + Pace = ATG bowler(Mcgrath being an Outlier)

Consistency + Control = Modern great bowler

Pace alone = Good bowler unless you are atrociously bad at line and length like Rauf is who along with wahab should be given his own outlier category.

Zero Pace + Zero Control + Zero Consistency = What Shaheen is becoming and what Naseem and Hasan Ali have become aka an abomination
 
Mamoon said:
He is a better all-format bowler than Anderson. Unfortunately, he doesn't have the luxury of playing Test matches every summer in beautiful English weather.
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He can’t hack Tests, and is no longer interested in them. He isn’t that much better than Anderson in limited overs in his current state. He barely utilised for the duration of a series.
 
From
:aag to ARS neatly depicts the depletion of Pakistani bowling stocks..... need a bowler with an E surname to complete the word that really shows how pants current PCT bowling unit is.....
 
Mamoon said:
He is a far bigger patriot than a garbage human being and a disgraced fixer.
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I would take a fixer + 2 ICC medals then experience the grace Shaheen bestowed upon me with his bowling against Afghanistan on the grandest stage in cricket.

You were Amir’s best mate a few years ago, does he not respond to your postcards anymore ?
 
Anderson @ 60 years old and past his prime is being picked in the Hundred your favourite competition, and Shaheen can’t even get picked for any of the franchises over here, so much for LOI speciality, that’s what he is limited to now, we called him an all rounder last week, anything to sugar coat this princess to hide what a travesty his bowling has become.
 
“He was a better all format bowler than Anderson”

Erm no! Anderson at the beginning of his career was an excellent white ball bowler too. He was phased out from the white ball team at the right time when England went down a different path of picking fast bowlers who were hard hitters such as Willey and Jordan, but Anderson was definitely their bowler for all conditions at home and abroad.
 
Savak said:
You know Shaheen is utterly useless and garbage when Mamoon is going out of his way to praise him.

PCB needs to phase out Shaheen and develop fast bowling bench strength as we can't keep going back to the trio of Shaheen, Naseem, Rauf, Hasan Ali etc
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It’s just a new gimmick change from him which I will happily oblige for my own amusement 🤡
 
shaz619 said:
I would take a fixer + 2 ICC medals
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Shows exactly why PCT is in the situation it is. Always taking short cuts for minimum gain instead of long term thinking.

Meanwhile BCCI banned the world t20 winner Sreesanth and he never made it to the team again and Indian fans hate him.

Difference between the two countries mentality is immense.
 
Rana said:
“He was a better all format bowler than Anderson”

Erm no! Anderson at the beginning of his career was an excellent white ball bowler too. He was phased out from the white ball team at the right time when England went down a different path of picking fast bowlers who were hard hitters such as Willey and Jordan, but Anderson was definitely their bowler for all conditions at home and abroad.
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Anderson was the leader of the attack in the 2000’s and like you said they took him down another path which ultimately benefited England in Tests & their overall limited overs strategy, but he held England’s bowling together in those days & even now, his performances / numbers in ODI’s are perfectly respectable actually, he fought much tougher opposition then Shaheen as well. I actually think Jimmy would have got close to 400+ ODI wickets if he kept playing, now he is kind of underrated for what he did in ODI’s because of his greatness in Tests. It’s a bit like Joe Root to who would walk into most T20I lineups and can play all around the park, but the team vision comes first.
 
@Rana Underrated bowlers from my childhood in England:

Andy Caddick & Matthew Hoggard in Tests

Jimmy & Gough in ODI’s
 
Rana said:

One of the GOAT England ODI spells

Inzimam
Yousuf
Anwar

3 Legends of Pakistan ODIs

Rashid Jobber Latif too.
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The equivalent of that for Shaheen is this:

Starc
Inglis
Hazlewood

And may I remind you Pakistan won that game against Australia as well in 2023 going by the Bhangra over his showing in that match.
 
You can blame the injury however, his body language & work ethic is disgraceful. It's like he's accepted his pace has declined. It hasn't worked on himself at all.

In the 2024 T20WC, he was more concerned with wanting the cricketing world to understand he is a an allrounder not a just a "pace" bowler.

Salman Mirza showed more in 1 series that Shaheen has post injury.
 
Shaheen should be kicked out of Pakistan unless he increases his pace or develops skills other than the in-swinger to compensate for his lack of pace.

But looking at his attitude, it is unlikely that he would ever improve his pace or develop other skills. Instead, he wants to compensate for the decline in his bowling by becoming an all-rounder, even though his batting technique is that of a number 11.

Shaheen is yet another arrogant Pakistani player who started off well but bought into his own hype, and instead of improving, he declined.

The foursome of Shaheen, Rauf, Hasan Ali & Naseem Shah should be kicked out for good. Let them play poor-quality T20 leagues because that is their level.
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
Half of Shaheen’s ODI wickets are useless wickets when oppositions had usually smashed us. His 5 wickets in Bengaluru against Aus is prime example of that. His job is to take out top order which he consistently fails nowadays
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He get the wicket of David warner but usama mir drop one of the easiest catches on planet earth...what a bowler can do?
 
Ungrateful Pakistani fans can talk nonsense about him, but the reality is that he is the only bowler in the team right now that commands some kind of respect from the opposition batsmen and they view him as a potential threat.

This applies to all teams. They know that Shaheen is the only bowler can potentially cause them trouble.

He is undoubtedly the best bowler in Pakistan and he is head and shoulders above everyone else even when he is not at his best. Thats how superior he is to others.
 
Mamoon said:
He is the only bowler in the team right now that commands some kind of respect from the opposition batsmen and they view him as a potential threat.
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Strange how this doesn’t apply to the other players you support.

Tell me which bowler fears Imam ul Haq?

Which team respects Mohammad Rizwan?
 
YousafTheBeast said:
Strange how this doesn’t apply to the other players you support.

Tell me which bowler fears Imam ul Haq?

Which team respects Mohammad Rizwan?
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Tell me which bowler fears Imam ul Haq?

Jogindar Sharma

Which team respects Mohammad Rizwan?

Literally every opposition that had the privilege of bowling to him.
 
Sachin fan said:
Shows exactly why PCT is in the situation it is. Always taking short cuts for minimum gain instead of long term thinking.

Meanwhile BCCI banned the world t20 winner Sreesanth and he never made it to the team again and Indian fans hate him.

Difference between the two countries mentality is immense.
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And what alternatives did you have besides Sresanth & what did we have then talk to me about mentality, and which Pak bowler this century has done anything remotely close to Amir’s achievements ? You can’t doubt his talent or impact, he was highly rated pre-ban & he had the fortitude to bounce back after losing the peak pf his career. There are many vocal fans who hate Amir still, but he done the time as a 17 year old and was reintegrated due to his talent, Sreesanth wasn’t exactly the second coming of Wasim & India’s system endured there were many suitable replacements, just look at how well a broken Amir bowled against you in the World T20 compared to the rest of our stock; and after it all, how can I and others overlook his 2 ICC medals, our only trophies he helped earn since 1992, Shaheen who, Shaheen what?
 
mominsaigol said:
Reply was for Mamoon, I pinged you and @Wasim Ghulam to just chip and be aware of the conversation as you guys were arguing prior.

Consistency + Control + Pace = ATG bowler(Mcgrath being an Outlier)

Consistency + Control = Modern great bowler

Pace alone = Good bowler unless you are atrociously bad at line and length like Rauf is who along with wahab should be given his own outlier category.

Zero Pace + Zero Control + Zero Consistency = What Shaheen is becoming and what Naseem and Hasan Ali have become aka an abomination
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To be Considered Great bowler , You gotta be Good in All formats particularly longer ones.

Shaheen’s fitness issues have reduced him to T20 Bowler at best. @Mamoon pointed out his first over wicket exploits which have mainly come in t20 format.

He failed miserably in Aus test series , Removed himself from Sydney test. Even Bangaldesh’s Rana outshined him in Pindi
 
Katwalindian said:
He get the wicket of David warner but usama mir drop one of the easiest catches on planet earth...what a bowler can do?
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Honestly it was warner who played a false Shot.. If he was good Enough , He could still get one of openers. Next NZ Smashed 90 Runs against him. Most expensive ever by Pak bowler in ODI
 
Mamoon said:
Shaheen takes a high percentage of his wickets in the first over of the match due to which he is one of the most revered new ball bowlers in the world. Your criticism is not grounded in reality.
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well thats true for T20s i guess. and even thats thing of Past now.

Last year Against USA when we needed him , He failed to make any impact . Some uber drivers played him with conviction

Tim Siefert Treated him with disdain Early this year

That First. over with with Inswinging Full ball has become ineffective due to predictability
 
Mamoon said:
Ungrateful Pakistani fans can talk nonsense about him, but the reality is that he is the only bowler in the team right now that commands some kind of respect from the opposition batsmen and they view him as a potential threat.

This applies to all teams. They know that Shaheen is the only bowler can potentially cause them trouble.

He is undoubtedly the best bowler in Pakistan and he is head and shoulders above everyone else even when he is not at his best. Thats how superior he is to others.
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if you consistently play non sense we will treat him non sense

CWC 2023

Vs Sri Lanka 9 Overs 66 Runs 1 Wicket Dasun Shanka in closing overs

Vs Afg 58/1 Useless wicket when game was done

Vs Aus 54/5 Wickets of Hazelwood , Starc and Maxwell all slogging

vs NZ 90/0

Vs Eng 72/2 Both wickets in death overs

now CT 2025
First Game vs NZ 68/0
vs India 8 Overs 74/2 Sharma wicket his usual bunny

Imp match vs WI second ODI where Hassan Ali was unplayable 6 Overs 35/0 and then went missing in decider

thats what he has played since 2023 WC

Couple of Good Games against Aus Newbies and one good game in Durban Against SA. Thats about it
 
He’s still our best bowler most days. He might not be as good as before or as quick, but even when he bowls badly he usually picks up wicket/does better than average. Compare this to a guy like Hasan Ali who when he bowls badly gets tonked. There’s just a difference in talent, natural ability and physique.

We rehabilitated him badly from injuries and I’m sure he played through the injuries/pain. He never should have played tests either, there’s this whole thing of the prestige of tests and everything, but his body isn’t going to hold up. It is extremely difficult for bowlers to handle all three formats unless they have a really easy on the body action.

We can’t keep bleeding talent like this. There is not an endless well that you can pick from, and when someone like Shaheen comes along, you have to maximise what you can get from him. Shaheen especially is the only Pakistani pacer I’ve seen in recent times who feels international level talent. The rest just seem like honest triers, and that’s not even a dig at others, I actually support guys like Abbas Afridi who should be in the ODI team and t20 teams. But you still need guys like Shaheen there too.

The amount of talent we lose due to injuries, fixing, fitness is just far too much that we can afford.
 
Savak said:
You know Shaheen is utterly useless and garbage when Mamoon is going out of his way to praise him.

PCB needs to phase out Shaheen and develop fast bowling bench strength as we can't keep going back to the trio of Shaheen, Naseem, Rauf, Hasan Ali etc
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I have a better idea — maybe we should implement this genius idea of yours, it will really help improve Pakistan cricket 🤡

“the govt should make the PCB the sole authority on street cricket in Pakistan and where kids should be charged Rs 5-10 and the funds should go to the PCB.”

- Savak, 2020

Post in thread 'State of street cricket in Karachi?'
https://ppforum.pakpassion.net/threads/state-of-street-cricket-in-karachi.296334/post-10891737
 
ads101 said:
We rehabilitated him badly from injuries and I’m sure he played through the injuries/pain. He never should have played tests either, there’s this whole thing of the prestige of tests and everything, but his body isn’t going to hold up. It is extremely difficult for bowlers to handle all three formats unless they have a really easy on the body action.
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Well its on Player himself to Improve his Fitness. Surely Board Has tried to Rehab him , But overall Fitness standard is poor. Despite playing handful of Test and ODI cricket , His outputs are ridiculously poor in recent times even in t20. He Only Featured in NZ series this year and did nt play final Game as series was done in 4th and he failed in that Game . Played Both ODIs and T20s in WI , Went missing in both deciders

Also wrong to say no talent available. Salman Mirza , Akif Javed , Ali Raza in Ranks to try out
 
Shaheen is basically now 2 bowlers in 1

In his first spell he is genuinely threatening with his inswingers. That's when he does commands respect from opposition batters

Problem is in his 2nd spell he becomes very pedestrian - bowls 130 kph medium pace and serves length deliveries with no swing / seam. BAsically dream bowler for power hitters who just whacks him left right and center

So end result - 2-65 of 10 overs. Not what u need from a premier frontline bowler
 
NishanKonar said:
Shaheen is basically now 2 bowlers in 1

In his first spell he is genuinely threatening with his inswingers. That's when he does commands respect from opposition batters

Problem is in his 2nd spell he becomes very pedestrian - bowls 130 kph medium pace and serves length deliveries with no swing / seam. BAsically dream bowler for power hitters who just whacks him left right and center

So end result - 2-65 of 10 overs. Not what u need from a premier frontline bowler
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Just bowl his quota upfront from 1 to 7
 
Mamoon said:
Pakistan’s greatest fast bowler since Imran and the two Ws. He has been at the heart of the most famous wins for Pakistan in the last 4 years and he has given his best and proved himself to be Pakistan’s best bowler even while carrying injuries.

He is also the best white ball captain in Pakistan and he needs to be rewarded for his success in PSL. PCB treated him unfairly last year but they have more than enough time to make amends and set the record straight.

One of the best new ball bowlers ever — his first over is a story in itself. He has plenty of cricket left in him and plenty of match-winning performances left in the tank. A superstar.
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Mamoon Sir - thoda Zyada nahin ho gaya?

So where do you fit guys like Shoiab Akhtar, Umar Gul, Mohd Asif (who imho would have been ATG all format GOAT if not for his own harkatein), Mohd Sami, Mohd Zahid then?

Bro - as an indian fan - i honestly can attest that at least 90 percent of the indians i have met in my life and discussed cricket would be happy to have any of those guys to play for us.
 
Mamoon said:
Pakistan’s greatest fast bowler since Imran and the two Ws. He has been at the heart of the most famous wins for Pakistan in the last 4 years and he has given his best and proved himself to be Pakistan’s best bowler even while carrying injuries.

He is also the best white ball captain in Pakistan and he needs to be rewarded for his success in PSL. PCB treated him unfairly last year but they have more than enough time to make amends and set the record straight.

One of the best new ball bowlers ever — his first over is a story in itself. He has plenty of cricket left in him and plenty of match-winning performances left in the tank. A superstar.
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A group stage match against India in a tournament that Pakistan didn't even win?
 
CrIc_Mystique said:
Mamoon Sir - thoda Zyada nahin ho gaya?

So where do you fit guys like Shoiab Akhtar, Umar Gul, Mohd Asif (who imho would have been ATG all format GOAT if not for his own harkatein), Mohd Sami, Mohd Zahid then?

Bro - as an indian fan - i honestly can attest that at least 90 percent of the indians i have met in my life and discussed cricket would be happy to have any of those guys to play for us.
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Akhtar only took 174 Test wickets and won nothing for Pakistan. Gul was lucky to retire just when two new ball rule was introduced. Asif is also lucky he didn’t play white ball cricket in the last 15 years. He would have been murdered.

Shaheen at his best is an outstanding bowler especially with the new ball. He is not at his best right now, but still the best in Pakistan currently by a huge margin.
 
Mamoon said:
Akhtar only took 174 Test wickets and won nothing for Pakistan. Gul was lucky to retire just when two new ball rule was introduced. Asif is also lucky he didn’t play white ball cricket in the last 15 years. He would have been murdered.

Shaheen at his best is an outstanding bowler especially with the new ball. He is not at his best right now, but still the best in Pakistan currently by a huge margin.
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Akhtar won a test match in India.

Gul won a T20 WC.

Amir won a couple of ICC trophies.

Shaheen has no notable test performance or won an ICC trophy.
 
Mamoon said:
Yes, it is one of the most prominent wins for Pakistan in the last four years. Do you disagree with this statement?
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No.

But I disagree with him being the best since the two W's.

Akhtar, Asif, Amir, Gul, Abbas etc all better. All of them had truncated careers or never really reached full potential but have performances here and there of the level which Shaheen doesn't.
 
TexasRattlesnake said:
Akhtar won a test match in India.

Gul won a T20 WC.

Amir won a couple of ICC trophies.

Shaheen has no notable test performance or won an ICC trophy.
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Akhtar also won test series against England in Pakistan in 2005 and a test match in South Africa in 1998. Shaheen is a disaster in test matches, under average in ODIs and average in T20s
 
Shaheen Shah Afridi strikes early for Pakistan as he helps depart Ibrahim Zardan for his side in Tri-Nation series opener against Afghanistan.
 
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