Can social distancing work in populous South Asian nations or the Subcontinent?

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Article talks about India but same applies to other populous nations also - especially in Southeast Asia

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Health experts and governments across the world have been advising people to practice social distancing to halt the spread of the deadly coronavirus.

In India too, we are constantly being told to avoid physical contact and maintain a distance of at least one metre from others.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi himself has talked about it repeatedly in his nationally-televised addresses to the citizens.

"If you want to tame the spread of the coronavirus, the only way to do it is to break the cycle of transmission by practicing social distancing," he said.

Millions of people are following his advice, but what transpires every now and then makes one wonder if social distancing is an oxymoron in India.

Some of the violations are, of course, driven by despair - for instance, when thousands of migrant workers turn up at the railway or bus station in the hope that they may be able to find some transport to return home.

Desperate migrant workers trapped in lockdown
India has been under a complete lockdown for the past month, leaving millions of migrant workers stranded in towns and cities, far away from home, with no jobs or money.

So, every time they hear rumours that some transport services maybe resumed, crowds have gathered, defying laws on social distancing, at considerable risk to themselves and others.

Then, there's also the matter of overcrowding. India is a country with more than 1.3 billion people and has a population density of 464 per sq km - in China, the world's most populous country, it is 153 and in the US it's just 36.

An average Indian family has five members and 40% of all homes - that is, 100 million homes - have only one room.

"In India, it's a privilege to be able to maintain social distancing when most of the population is huddled up five to six in a room," Kiran Lamba Jha, assistant professor of sociology at Kanpur's CSJM university, told the BBC.

"Social distancing is only possible if you have a large house," she said.

Despair and overcrowding can be legitimate reasons, but in the past month, Indians have also displayed behaviour that defies reason and makes me wonder if we even understand the concept of social distancing?

For instance, just before the countrywide lockdown began, Mr Modi called upon Indians to observe a day-long self-imposed public curfew on 22 March.

He said coronavirus had no cure yet and the only way to stay safe was to stay home.

And to thank those who couldn't stay home - like doctors and nurses and other emergency workers - the prime minister suggested that people come out in their balconies or stand in their doorways at 5pm and clap, beat metal plates, or ring bells for five minutes.

People across India responded enthusiastically by participating in the curfew.

But at 5pm, all the good work of the day was undone - large groups of people came out onto the streets in many cities and towns, blowing conch shells, beating drums, clapping and clanging vessels.

Groups of people came out onto the streets in many cities and towns, clapping and clanging vessels
Many took selfies and shouted "go corona, go" as processions meandered through the lanes and bylanes.

Incredibly, some of these processions were led by senior government officials and top policemen - the men who were meant to be educating people about social distancing and enforcing it.

Similar scenes were reported a couple of weeks later when Mr Modi called on the people to light candles and clay lamps to show solidarity with those affected by Covid-19.

By then, India was in the midst of a strict 21-day lockdown, but at many places, crowds poured out onto the streets, chanting slogans and setting off fireworks.

"The events were good at one level because by participating in them, people were trying to express social solidarity in times of crisis," says Prof Lamba Jha. "But then people forgot that corona was still around," she laughs.

Because of the coronavirus, she says, we find ourselves in a kind of situation that's not normal, but distancing to many Indians is an alien concept.

"We say man is a social animal and Indians are more social than others. We don't like being alone, we have large families, we have lots of friends and neighbours, we thrive on social connectedness."

In places like the capital, Delhi, and across larger cities and towns though, police are working to enforce it strictly. In my local market, shops have circles drawn in chalk outside to ensure shoppers stand one-metre apart at all times.

There have been exceptions though - like when slum-dwellers mob a water tanker in a parched Delhi colony or when hundreds of poor and homeless clamour for food being distributed by charities in Noida, a Delhi suburb.

I've seen photographs of packed vegetable markets three weeks into the lockdown In Patna city.

And in Prayagraj (formerly Allahabad), people are still thronging ration shops and chemist stores.

And in rural India, where 69% of the country's population lives, I hear social distancing is not doing well at all.

Amarnath Tewary, a senior journalist in the northern state of Bihar, says social distancing is an "urban phenomenon".

In villages, people often live as a community, many families share a single water source and work together on farms and fields. In local markets, shoppers often stand within touching distance of each other, he says.

Prof Lamba Jha says that's because many villagers still think Covid-19 is a rich man's disease because it came to India from abroad.

"They feel cases of coronavirus are only in the cities, everything is fine in the villages.

"They can't understand what the fuss is about."



https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-52393382
 
South Asia or Southeast Asia?

Southeast Asian countries are wealthier and have better governments than South Asian countries. Singapore and Vietnam have done quite well dealing with covid-19.

South Asia =/= Southeast Asia. Two different regions.
 
South Asia or Southeast Asia?

Southeast Asian countries are wealthier and have better governments than South Asian countries. Singapore and Vietnam have done quite well dealing with covid-19.

South Asia =/= Southeast Asia. Two different regions.

Thanks will fix it

I meant South Asia.
 
MUMBAI, India — There is no sliver of space in Ashok Kunchikurve’s house for social distancing.

The 42-year-old Mumbai construction worker lives with his family of six in a single room covered in yellow tiles, an aging refrigerator against one wall, a stove lining the opposite wall. Only three can sit on the floor for lunch at one time.

A rickety ladder in the corner leads to a dimly lighted loft, where mattresses are laid out for him and his two adult sons. His wife, their teenage daughter and his mother-in-law sleep on the floor downstairs.

“I have to get out of the house to give some space to my family,” says Kunchikurve, his rotund face partially obscured by a surgical mask to protect him from the coronavirus that is pressing in on his sparse life.

He steps out into a narrow concrete alley, one of countless lanes zigzagging through Dharavi, one of Asia’s largest slums, where as many as a million residents cram into one square mile — an area roughly the size of John Wayne Airport.

It is midmorning, the sun withering, but the alleys are packed so tightly with two-story dwellings that hardly any light comes through. Women wash vessels and clothes in the narrow lanes, sending streams of soapy water flowing toward an open sewer.

Men stand in small groups or crouch on the pavement, chatting away. The topic, of course, is the coronavirus.

Two weeks ago, Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi ordered Indians to stay indoors for 21 days to curb the spread of the virus, which has infected more than 1.4 million people around the world, including more than 5,300 in India.

The physical distancing measure, endorsed by the World Health Organization and implemented in many other countries, has brought new hardship to Dharavi, a city within a city, home to many of the laborers, housekeepers, municipal workers and shopkeepers who make India’s financial capital run.

Dharavi is dotted with tens of thousands of tin-roofed shanties and one-room manufacturing units, where Indians’ daily struggle for space is laid bare in a nation where lives are folded into one another. According to the 2011 census, nearly 92 million Indian households live in one-room dwellings.

“Those asking us to practice social distancing need to come and see how we live in a room of 8 feet by 8 feet,” Kunchikurve says, carefully sidestepping the slippery streams of water at his feet.

The door to their house remains open for ventilation. Right beside the doorway, a rusty ladder leads to another household right above theirs.

His wife, Renuka, sits just inside the doorway, cleaning green vegetables, dabbing the sweat on her forehead with her red patterned sari. Their 16-year-old daughter, Vishakha, at home because her school is closed, watches a pot of dal simmering on the stove.

Kunchikurve has not earned a day’s wage — typically about $4 — in three weeks, since construction sites in Mumbai began shutting down in early March because of the outbreak.

Their 18-year-old son, Vikas, who also works in construction, is jobless too. Their elder son, Vishal, 22, works for the municipality cleaning the streets of Mumbai, a job that worries his mother in the time of a pandemic.

“He is hardly protected with masks or sanitizer,” she says. “But our kitchen runs on his salary in these times. Otherwise we would have starved.”

Dharavi sits within sight of high-rise apartment buildings where better off families have room to spread out during isolation. Renuka works as a housekeeper in one of those buildings, but she hasn’t been able to go to work since the lockdown started, and she doesn’t know if the families she works for will pay her for the missed time.

These days she walks about half a mile to the market for groceries, the bazaar she usually frequents having closed. She negotiates the eerily empty roads and the occasional police officer who asks, brusquely, why she is out at all.

Dharavi was on edge. Two months after India recorded its first coronavirus case Jan. 30, there had been no confirmation of any infections in the slum.

But the virus was closing in. Mumbai had identified more than 200 infections and 17 deaths related to the coronavirus, the most in the country. Residents of Dharavi felt it was just a matter of time before COVID-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus, reached their doorsteps.

Frustration and uncertainty were setting in.

“Fights break out over little things,” Kunchikurve says. “Everyone is scared of the coronavirus. We are anxious about finding work. We know how vulnerable we are.”

There is little the residents of Dharavi can do. They are powerless to isolate themselves,
but they also know that Indians expect the number of cases to explode here.

“When the virus spreads,” Kunchikurve says, “the poor will be blamed for it.”

City workers and volunteers have fanned out across Dharavi to raise awareness about the disease, distribute masks and keep track of particularly vulnerable residents: older people, pregnant women and those with preexisting respiratory conditions.

To keep himself occupied, Kunchikurve volunteers with a local charity group that distributes food to the families of out-of-work laborers. After a quick lunch of dal, rice and boiled greens at home, he set off for the charity group’s office. Over the next few hours they would hand out packets of rice, wheat, sugar, cooking oil, tea and biscuits to families even less fortunate than theirs.

Vishakha’s public school hasn’t given her any material to study during the lockdown, so she spends the afternoon rereading notes and textbooks and watching the news with her mother on the small TV mounted on the back wall next to the kitchen utensils.

“It is important to stay updated at a time like this,” Vishakha says. “We need to know how to stay as safe as possible.”

“There’s nothing we can do,” Renuka says quickly. “Other than maintaining decent hygiene and social distancing, which is difficult for us to follow.”

She points to the sole water tap in their house, and two small white buckets, where they wash their hands and feet the moment they come in the house. For everything else they must use the nearby public toilet, which even these days, in the time of an outbreak that demands vigilant cleanliness, emits a foul odor.

The WhatsApp chat groups — India’s ever present and ever problematic digital grapevine — have been running wild with information about how to stay clean and safe during the pandemic, as well as the latest news on coronavirus cases that could not be verified but that everyone assumed were true.

There were lists of people who had been quarantined, and a story going around that a man in a high-rise apartment next to Dharavi had contracted the virus. The man’s picture was being circulated too, and people studied it closely to see if they knew who he was and wondered if they could be part of a chain of infection.

“That building is only half a kilometer [about 500 yards] away,” Renuka says, shaking her head. “It is getting closer to home.”

They shuddered at the thought of the virus arriving in Dharavi. One infection would probably mean dozens more, possibly hundreds. But where to go?

“I can only imagine panic-stricken people trying to flee in a situation like that,” Renuka says.

Bad news, as it often does, arrived the other day with word that a 56-year-old garment shop owner living in Dharavi had contracted COVID-19. Soon, the story was updated: The man had died.

The next day came reports of two more cases in the slum, and efforts by municipal health workers to quarantine close contacts and seal off their neighborhoods. By the time this past weekend was over, five people in Dharavi had tested positive for the virus.

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-04-07/social-distancing-family-one-room
 
It is difficult in those countries. It is even more difficult in slums of those countries.

They just have to try their best.
 
Then we have this - how cruel is this?

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IZALCO, El Salvador (Reuters) - Right groups condemned El Salvador’s president on Monday for releasing startling photos of hundreds of jailed gang members stripped to underwear and pressed together in formation, part of a punishment for an outbreak of violence.

Gang members are secured during a police operation at Izalco jail during a 24-hour lockdown ordered by El Salvador's President Nayib Bukele in Izalco, El Salvador, photograph released to Reuters by the El Salvador Presidency on April 25, 2020. El Salvador Presidency/Handout via REUTERS
The images published at the weekend on the Twitter account of President Nayib Bukele’s office stood in contrast to social-distancing measures around the world, including an obligatory home quarantine in El Salvador to stop the new coronavirus spreading.

They were followed by orders from Bukele to place members of gangs, including the notorious MS-13, in sealed, steel box-like cells and permission to use lethal force against gang members on the streets.

Bukele’s latest action follows controversy over his disregard for Supreme Court rulings that he should uphold the constitution and his recent use of the military to intimidate Congress.

Jose Miguel Vivanco, the executive director of Human Rights Watch for the Americas, said El Salvador risked sliding into autocracy without reprobation from global powers.

“We have the duty to make sure that El Salvador does not become another dictatorship,” Vivanco told Reuters.

“The only way to stop this is to have a strong reaction by the international community,” Vivanco said, noting a lack of public criticism from the U.S. government or the European Union after recent rights violations.

Bukele has previously shrugged off criticism from human rights group and political opponents, saying it his duty to protect Salvadorans, and describing his predecessors as corrupt.

He enjoys strong poll ratings in the country of 6.5 million people, which has been terrorized by street gangs since shortly after the end of its civil war in 1992.

The government posted the photos showing rows and rows of prisoners sitting tightly packed, with their hands behind their backs, as police officers in riot gear looked on.

Some 12,862 gang members are incarcerated in El Salvador, according to prison authorities.

Amnesty International’s director for the Americas, Erika Guevara, said the situation was “worrisome.”

“We view these photos taken of people deprived of their liberty in the prisons with great concern, they are scenes where people are brought together in prison yards in a humiliating, demeaning manner,” Guevara said.

Vivanco said Human Rights Watch had already called on the Organization of American States to consider invoking the Inter-American Democratic Charter in El Salvador.

The charter is invoked when countries in the Americas are considered to have veered from the democratic path.

‘SEALED’
Bukele authorized the use of lethal force by police and military against gang members on Sunday, after dozens of people were murdered in the most violent weekend since he took office last year.

“We are going to make sure the gang members who committed these killings regret having made this decision for the rest of their lives,” Bukele told his security cabinet on Monday.

Authorities attribute the spate the killings of civilians and some gang members to the gangs seeking to show their strength. Some arrests have been made but nobody has been tried.

On a tour of the Izalco maximum security prison with government officials, Reuters witnesses saw workers soldering metal sheets onto prisoners’ cell doors.

The president also ordered members of rival gangs into shared cells in a bid to break up lines of communication between members of the same gangs.

“From now on, all the gang cells in our country will remain sealed. They will no longer be able to see outside the cell,” Bukele said.

“This will prevent them from using signs to communicate with the hallway. They will be inside, in the dark, with their friends from the other gangs.”

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-members-for-grim-prison-photos-idUSKCN22A0GN
 
The World Health Organization says that a distance of 1m is safe. Some countries have adopted this guidance, while others, including the UK, have gone further:

1m distancing rule - China, Denmark, France, Hong Kong, Lithuania, Singapore
1.4m - South Korea
1.5m - Australia, Belgium, Germany, Greece, Italy, Netherlands, Portugal
1.8m - US
2m - Canada, Spain, UK
 
The much larger difficulty for high density populations, like Brazil and subcontinent etc, to socially distance is one of the big reasons why the virus spreads so much faster in these countries, much more than official numbers suggest. That must also be kept in mind when comparing to some countries like Denmark or Germany or NZ who have handled it so well.
 
I suspect NOT! See the masses coming together for a political rally!

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Social distancing comes much more naturally to westerners, they practice it naturally most of the time. Brits used to think French and Italians were too touchy feely a couple of generations ago never mind south Asians. Ironically we had started to adopt some of the over-intimate practices of the east with all the kissing and hugging, but I feel this pandemic might make us reassess that we had it right all along. The concept of personal space needs to be seen in a positive light again.
 
Social distancing comes much more naturally to westerners, they practice it naturally most of the time. Brits used to think French and Italians were too touchy feely a couple of generations ago never mind south Asians. Ironically we had started to adopt some of the over-intimate practices of the east with all the kissing and hugging, but I feel this pandemic might make us reassess that we had it right all along. The concept of personal space needs to be seen in a positive light again.

Reminds of people forming a queue in Pakistan where they push each other from the back for no apparent reason.
 
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