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NEW YORK: Edward Snowden, who has confounded US officials since his abrupt departure from the country two years ago, has just found a new megaphone in Twitter.

The former National Security Agency worker who leaked classified documents about government surveillance started tweeting Tuesday. He had more than 185,000 followers an hour after his first tweet, “Can you hear me now?”

The message, a take-off on a cellphone provider television commercial, was retweeted 25,000 times within an hour. In his Twitter profile, Snowden described himself by saying: “I used to work for the government. Now I work for the public.”

He attracted more than had 740,000 by Tuesday evening.

Snowden is following just one account: tweets from the National Security Agency.

Based on a Thomson Reuters proprietary algorithm that looked at Twitter posts mentioning Snowden or his official Twitter handle, there were about 1,109 positive tweets versus 156 negative, a ratio of about 7 to 1, within the first hour of his initial tweet. The counts were from a representative sample.

Like other high-profile people on the messaging service, Snowden's account has a blue and white check mark, indicating that it was verified by Twitter.

A spokesman at Twitter Inc. confirmed that it gave Snowden the [MENTION=132038]Snow[/MENTION]den username, which was being used by someone else. The NSA did not respond to a request for comment.

In his earlier hours on Twitter, Snowden exchanged tweets with prominent astrophysicist and radio talk-show host Neil deGrasse Tyson, who had encouraged Snowden to try Twitter during an interview on his show this month.

On Twitter, the two discussed the discovery of water on Mars, and Snowden joked that his work for the Freedom of the Press Foundation keeps him busy, “but I still find time for cat pictures.” Tyson asked how he felt about being considered a traitor as well as a hero, noting that “you're a geek to me.” Snowden responded that he was “just a citizen with a voice.”

Snowden is currently living in exile in Russia. He faces charges in the US that could land him in prison for up to 30 years.

Twitter has hosted other controversial figures and groups. Whistleblower website WikiLeaks has a verified Twitter account, as does Kim Dotcom, the founder of illegal download site Megaupload.


http://www.dawn.com/news/1209927/can-you-hear-me-now-snowden-joins-twitter-follows-nsa
 
1 million followers in 1 day after opening account? Looks like some kind of record!

His first tweet yesterday was retweeted 100,000 times and favorited 94,000 times.
 
Who is this guy?

A man who will be written about and remembered as a Hero in the history books. Hope the new movie with Joseph Gordon Lewitt portraying him does him justice.

Btw I went to the same IT training institute Snowden went to in Delhi (Koenig in moti nagar). Talked a bit with one of the guys who taught him a crash course in Java.
 
So they've been leaked for a few years now.

What changes has it made to our lives?
 
hero to some and traitor to others. Should watch citizenfour, will give you a good idea on all the sacrifices made by Snowden. Even though the republicans hate him for what he did, they still call him a patriot.

Govt not only has the right, but the moral duty to spy on its citizen. Anything for the safety of the country and the state. Only those who have things to hide should worry about privacy, not a law abiding citizen.
 
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These guys are just ridiculous. They will use 9/11 as a response to anything and everything. And it doesn't even make the slightest bit of sense. "Governor" Pataki has been absolutely smashed in the responses to this tweet.
 
Bullet Drive, kis ghaar mai rehtay Ho Bhai. How do you not know about him?
 
Govt not only has the right, but the moral duty to spy on its citizen. Anything for the safety of the country and the state. Only those who have things to hide should worry about privacy, not a law abiding citizen.

sure, but the government has denied that they do...so they were caught red handed lying to the people. I agree it's a fine line...but you can't have a bunch of government employees stashing data on it's citizens and then possibly using it against them.
 
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These guys are just ridiculous. They will use 9/11 as a response to anything and everything. And it doesn't even make the slightest bit of sense. "Governor" Pataki has been absolutely smashed in the responses to this tweet.

Pataki is about to fall of the Presidential race anyways. This guy is a literal nobody.
 
Govt not only has the right, but the moral duty to spy on its citizen. Anything for the safety of the country and the state. Only those who have things to hide should worry about privacy, not a law abiding citizen.

Exactly. I would be shocked and worried if the government was not doing this.

I acknowledge this person's courage, but that's about it.
 
Govt not only has the right, but the moral duty to spy on its citizen. Anything for the safety of the country and the state. Only those who have things to hide should worry about privacy, not a law abiding citizen.

Right to Privacy is a real thing, and a humanist right, so screw off with this garbage. I don't want the government knowing my porn fetishes and my chat logs with girlfriends online :srt
 
Govt not only has the right, but the moral duty to spy on its citizen. Anything for the safety of the country and the state. Only those who have things to hide should worry about privacy, not a law abiding citizen.

Im okay with it as long as the government doesnt lie about the security and the privacy of its people. What U.S. did is very wrong as their constitution is against it.
 
Govt not only has the right, but the moral duty to spy on its citizen. Anything for the safety of the country and the state. Only those who have things to hide should worry about privacy, not a law abiding citizen.

Nonsensical as usual. Once you give a government, carte blanche to do what they want, as it is controlled and run by humans, it is bound to go over board. Hitler, Pol Pot, Saddam usw say Hi. Another example of idiotic over the top nationalism.

If you can't find your daily grazing field just say so. No need to drag everyone else into it.
 
Nonsensical as usual. Once you give a government, carte blanche to do what they want, as it is controlled and run by humans, it is bound to go over board. Hitler, Pol Pot, Saddam usw say Hi. Another example of idiotic over the top nationalism.

If you can't find your daily grazing field just say so. No need to drag everyone else into it.

I am not giving the govt any carte blanche. I just agree with what the govt does. If you have a problem, take it up with your govt.
 
I am not giving the govt any carte blanche. I just agree with what the govt does. If you have a problem, take it up with your govt.

"I don't agree with the government but I let them do what they want because they know better". Good logic seeing how much you like cows.

My government currently is Germany and yes I have the right to take up any issue I have with their policies unlike secular India.

You're not even putting any effort in the trolling anymore and that hurts my feelings.
 
"I don't agree with the government but I let them do what they want because they know better". Good logic seeing how much you like cows.

My government currently is Germany and yes I have the right to take up any issue I have with their policies unlike secular India.

You're not even putting any effort in the trolling anymore and that hurts my feelings.

You are not putting an effort in reading.

I agree with the govt.

I am no one to give them carte blanche. They have it even if I don't like it (but I like it).

I am happy with the way the govts run. Since you have an issue, you can either whine or confront your govt.
 
You are not putting an effort in reading.

I agree with the govt.

I am no one to give them carte blanche. They have it even if I don't like it (but I like it).

I am happy with the way the govts run. Since you have an issue, you can either whine or confront your govt.

You like them reading your emails and listen to your phone calls. Wow.
 
You like them reading your emails and listen to your phone calls. Wow.

I like them doing it anyone. To keep my country safe. Safety over privacy any damn day. Those pseudo idealists crying about privacy will also be the one blaming the intelligence when they fail to avert an attack.
 
I like them doing it anyone. To keep my country safe. Safety over privacy any damn day. Those pseudo idealists crying about privacy will also be the one blaming the intelligence when they fail to avert an attack.
You do realise that it's actually people employed by (and in Snowden's case, contracted by) government? Even government itself is people. And just like everyone else, these individuals listening to your phone calls or reading your emails (after the automated systems have picked out those emails/conversations, based on pre-determined criteria, that require humans to read/hear them) are no different than any other sections of society - the good, the bad, the ugly .... and the vile
ie they have good days, they have bad days, some of them will enjoy listening/reading private conversations/emails just like peeping Toms do, even when there are no security issues involved - some of them will go home and tell jokes to their friends about the contents of these private conversations / emails.

So when you say you don't mind your "government" listening to your private conversations and reading your private emails, remember that it's actually people from a cross-section of society doing the listening & reading.
 
Exactly. I would be shocked and worried if the government was not doing this.

Exactly. If they were not spying on us I would be telling them to blummin' well start. I don't care if they know my business. I'm a productive member of society, so they have no reason to persecute me.
 
Exactly. If they were not spying on us I would be telling them to blummin' well start. I don't care if they know my business. I'm a productive member of society, so they have no reason to persecute me.

What if you were having like a really dirty conversation with the wife or planning on getting oral sex from a dead pig or something and a really close family member who works for the CIA happened to be listening to those conversations intently on a regular basis would you be cool with it?

As @Yosssarian points out, it is actual people employed by the government who do all the spying. Security is certainly important and am not saying that there should not be a CIA or MI5 but the people who work for the government could be abusing the powers which are given to them and this is something which they get away with quiet easily.
 
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These guys are just ridiculous. They will use 9/11 as a response to anything and everything. And it doesn't even make the slightest bit of sense. "Governor" Pataki has been absolutely smashed in the responses to this tweet.

This Pataki is an utter loser, how has he not dropped out of the GOP race yet. Someone remind him that 9/11 happened under HIS President !

Even before the August 6th 2001 memo there were several other memos before that the CIA clearly stated "Bin Laden was determined to strike inside the US" and Dubya didn't do a goddamn thing about it.

Infact Dubya even said after one warning by a CIA officer about Bin Laden at the Crawford ranch that Bush couldn't stop taking vacations on - "OK you've covered your ass, now go home." How could a US President be so casual about a direct security threat to US lives ? And YOU want to talk about 9/11 and about Snowden endangering security George Pataki ?! These Republicans are shameless.
 
How on earth is even considered a hero?

You'd think the government keeping a track on what it's citizens are doing would be normal...
 
You like them reading your emails and listen to your phone calls. Wow.
Why are you so concerned about your privacy? Are you hiding something?

I'm fine in giving up my privacy if it helps in keeping my country safe.
 
If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear.

You like them reading your emails and listen to your phone calls. Wow.

Yes I don’t mind that.

You do realise that it's actually people employed by (and in Snowden's case, contracted by) government? Even government itself is people. And just like everyone else, these individuals listening to your phone calls or reading your emails (after the automated systems have picked out those emails/conversations, based on pre-determined criteria, that require humans to read/hear them) are no different than any other sections of society - the good, the bad, the ugly .... and the vile
ie they have good days, they have bad days, some of them will enjoy listening/reading private conversations/emails just like peeping Toms do, even when there are no security issues involved - some of them will go home and tell jokes to their friends about the contents of these private conversations / emails.

So when you say you don't mind your "government" listening to your private conversations and reading your private emails, remember that it's actually people from a cross-section of society doing the listening & reading.

Yes they are people, but even if they joke about my emails, why should I care? As long as it doesn’t affect me, I don’t care. Not to mention that they monitor the information of so many people that they wouldn’t be able to remember any particular information.
 
Yes they are people, but even if they joke about my emails, why should I care? As long as it doesn’t affect me, I don’t care. Not to mention that they monitor the information of so many people that they wouldn’t be able to remember any particular information.
Exactly. If they were not spying on us I would be telling them to blummin' well start. I don't care if they know my business. I'm a productive member of society, so they have no reason to persecute me.
Well some do mind having complete strangers listening to their private, possibly intimate, conversations with husbands/wives, boyfriends/girlfriends, children, parents and friends.

I was at a dinner party once where the host and his three former university flatmates were were now all junior doctors in different hospitals. After they had consumed a few glasses of wine (they were non-Muslims. I drank cola) they started telling stories and making jokes about some of the unusual patients they had come accross or treated.
If trained doctors could do that, then I shudder to think what those listening to private phone conversations will be telling their friends at party time.
I once saw a documentary where pilots and drone operators were exchanging 'funny' stories about those they had bombed and killed, including those killed that turned out to be completely innocent civilians (such as a goatherder with a stick looking for a goat being mistaken for a fighter with a gun trying to evade detection).

So next time you're having an intimate conversation on the phone with your wife or girlfriend, bear in mind if you still don't have any issues if government sub-contracted operators were listening in, and then recounting it to their friends.
 
There seems to be a misunderstanding in this thread as to what Snowden did.

How on earth is even considered a hero?

You'd think the government keeping a track on what it's citizens are doing would be normal...
What the NSA did was not normal but illegal and unconstitutional. He uncovered bulk collection of telephone metadata which the US court of appeals has judged illegal so you don't have to take my word for it.

Only a handful of people in Congress knew about it so there was no oversight that could protect against abuse. Snowden didn't sell the story to foreign countries, he gave it to a journalist who are meant to uncover these stories.

For those who say he should've stayed in the US and faced the consequences - look at Chelsea Manning who's been detained without trial and in solitary confinement for years. Some CIA officers off the record have OPENLY admitted they want to kill Snowden. Who in their right mind would want to back ?! Snowden is only in Russia because the US revoked his passport, so he's stuck there.
 
What if you were having like a really dirty conversation with the wife or planning on getting oral sex from a dead pig or something and a really close family member who works for the CIA happened to be listening to those conversations intently on a regular basis would you be cool with it?

The close CIA family member would have to declare Conflict of Interest and give the job to someone else. But they won't listen in to me, because I have done nothing to compromise myself and therefore draw their attention.
 
I don't do anything bad because I know God is watching me. And I don't care if the govt watches me because I am not doing anything bad.
 
The close CIA family member would have to declare Conflict of Interest and give the job to someone else. But they won't listen in to me, because I have done nothing to compromise myself and therefore draw their attention.
The attention is drawn because a software program on a supercomputer determined that your email or phone conversation contained a word, a name, a phrase, a location, or the voice(s) on the phone matched a particular voice pattern, that required a human operator to listen to the conversation or read the email.

So the notion that they won't read your emails or listen to your phone conversation because you've "done nothing to compromise myself and therefore draw their attention" is complete nonsense. Of course, if flagged, and after your conversation has been listened to, or after your email has been read, the listener/reader could then determine that you were completely harmless. But even then, your next email or phone conversation could still get flagged for human intervention if it matched any of the above criteria.

And if flagged once, even if cleared on that occasion, not only your subsequent emails and phone conversations will be more closely monitored by another set of software programs, raising the likelihood of more of your emails/ phone conversations being flagged up for human intervention, but also the likelihood that your life may be looked at in more detail - initially by another set of automated software, which will include, eg the websites you visit, your circle of friends on social media and what you post on forums, even those such as PP, and who reads your posts.
 
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The attention is drawn because a software program on a supercomputer determined that your email or phone conversation contained a word, a name, a phrase, a location, or the voice(s) on the phone matched a particular voice pattern, that required a human operator to listen to the conversation or read the email.

This does not bother me in the slightest. I'm used to the idea of people listening in because of some places I have worked. So they read my email or listen to me talk to a mate about ISIL, find us irrelevant because we don't set off any other cross-referencing alarm criteria, and leave us alone so they can hunt down the actual threats.

GCHQ and the other agencies are disrupting terror plots right now. Good on 'em. I'm glad they are there and I'm right behind everything they do. Snowden has made their jobs harder. IMO he is a traitor who deserves to be banged up in a supermax for life.
 
This does not bother me in the slightest. I'm used to the idea of people listening in because of some places I have worked. So they read my email or listen to me talk to a mate about ISIL, find us irrelevant because we don't set off any other cross-referencing alarm criteria, and leave us alone so they can hunt down the actual threats. .
Well you're either very careful about what personal and private phone conversations you have with your wife, family and close friends, or else you don't mind some complete strangers listening in to your most intimate conversations and perhaps recounting it all in glorious detail to their friends. Either way, it's not the way most of us would feel when talking on the phone to close family and friends.
 
Right to Privacy is a real thing, and a humanist right, so screw off with this garbage. I don't want the government knowing my porn fetishes and my chat logs with girlfriends online :srt
'Governments' is actually people, some of whom probably take on these jobs of listening to private conversations because they get a kick out of doing so and telling their friends all about it afterwards. Basically, they can be Peeping Tom's legally.
 
http://www.theguardian.com/world/in...es-surveillance-revelations-decoded#section/2

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I'd rather not be trusted. Instead, review the evidence and draw your own conclusion. <a href="http://t.co/i5lWYRAoo2">http://t.co/i5lWYRAoo2</a> <a href="https://t.co/jdrBmSHxYY">https://t.co/jdrBmSHxYY</a></p>— Edward Snowden (@Snowden) <a href="https://twitter.com/Snowden/status/651182538023530498">October 5, 2015</a></blockquote>
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So they've been leaked for a few years now.

What changes has it made to our lives?
Todays ruling by The European Court of Justice

Facebook data transfers threatened by Safe Harbour ruling


A pact that helped the tech giants and others send personal data from the EU to the US has been ruled invalid.

The European Court of Justice said that the Safe Harbour agreement did not eliminate the need for local privacy watchdogs to check US firms were taking adequate data protection measures.

It added that the ruling meant Ireland's regulator now needed to decide whether Facebook's EU-to-US transfers should be suspended.

[....]

The ruling was the result of a legal challenge by an Austrian privacy campaigner concerned that the social network might be sharing Europeans' personal data with US cyberspies.

"I very much welcome the judgement of the court, which will hopefully be a milestone when it comes to online privacy," said Max Schrems on learning of the judgement.

"It clarifies that mass surveillance violates our fundamental rights."

But others warned it could have far-reaching consequences.

"Thousands of US businesses rely on the Safe Harbour as a means of moving information to the US from Europe," said Richard Cumbley from the law firm Linklaters

[...]

Why was it challenged?

In 2013, whistleblower Edward Snowden leaked details about a surveillance scheme operated by the NSA called Prism.

It was alleged the agency had gained access to data about Europeans and other foreign citizens stored by the US tech giants.

Privacy campaigner Max Schrems asked the Irish Data Protection Commission to audit what material Facebook might be passing on.

However, the watchdog declined saying the transfers were covered by Safe Harbour.

When Mr Schrems contested the decision, the matter was referred to the European Court of Justice.

The case reflected a clash between two cultures: in the EU, data privacy is treated as a fundamental right; in the US, other concerns are sometimes given priority.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-34442618
 
Well you're either very careful about what personal and private phone conversations you have with your wife, family and close friends, or else you don't mind some complete strangers listening in to your most intimate conversations and perhaps recounting it all in glorious detail to their friends. Either way, it's not the way most of us would feel when talking on the phone to close family and friends.

Yep. But I don't mind the latter case either, as my life is not interesting enough to discuss in glorious detail, really :)

I'm more concerned with Facebook and such harvesting info about me and selling it to corporations who then proceed to cold-call me. That I find intrusive.
 
I'm more concerned with Facebook and such harvesting info about me and selling it to corporations who then proceed to cold-call me. That I find intrusive.
In that case, read post #52 above.
 
Again I re-emphasise - what Snowden uncovered wasn't just normal government surveillance, that's not what he was uncovering to criticise. The surveillance was not only unconstitutional but ILLEGAL. The NSA were vastly overreaching their remit. They were even spying on Angela Merkel - an ally !

Only a handful of people in Congress knew about it.

Look I'm not against surveillance, of course we need it. But get a warrant from the courts, do it through the proper channels and ensure oversight from our democratically elected representatives - not a secret programme where bulk data is collected from the masses which is actually counterproductive as you end up with mountains of information and are unable to isolate the relevant bits you need.

We don't need more surveillance. We HAD intelligence on 9/11, we KNEW the profiles of the 7/7 attackers and we knew who the Lee Rigby murderers were. Instead of the intelligence services asking for more powers - we should ask why in the blue hell did they fail to protect us in the first place and why not pursue those intelligence leads we clearly had ?
 
There's nothing about cold-calling in it. The rest does not bother me.
Not the cold calling. But Facebook harvesting info, which in turn was being (illegally) tapped into by the NSA, and the (illegal) tapping would not been uncovered without Snowden's leaks. The new ruling by The European Court of Justice is basically saying to Facebook (and others) 'if you can't safeguard the personal data of European citizens when that data is transferred to the USA, then you can't transfer that data'.

From the same link:
The case reflected a clash between two cultures: in the EU, data privacy is treated as a fundamental right; in the US, other concerns are sometimes given priority.
 
President Vladimir Putin on Monday granted Russian citizenship to former US intelligence contractor Edward Snowden, nine years after he exposed the scale of secret surveillance operations by the National Security Agency (NSA).

Snowden, 39, fled the United States and was given asylum in Russia after leaking secret files in 2013 that revealed vast domestic and international surveillance operations carried out by the NSA, where he worked.
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US authorities have for years wanted him returned to the United States to face a criminal trial on espionage charges.

There was no immediate reaction from Snowden, whose name appeared without Kremlin comment in a Putin decree conferring citizenship on a list of 72 foreign-born individuals.

The news prompted some Russians to jokingly ask whether Snowden would be called up for military service, five days after Putin announced Russia's first public mobilisation since World War Two to shore up its faltering invasion of Ukraine.

"Will Snowden be drafted?" Margarita Simonyan, editor-in-chief of the state media outlet RT and a vocal Putin supporter, wrote with dark humour on her Telegram channel.

Snowden's lawyer, Anatoly Kucherena, told RIA news agency that his client could not be called up because he had not previously served in the Russian army.

He said that Snowden's wife Lindsay Mills, who gave birth to a son in 2020, would also apply for citizenship.

Russia granted Snowden permanent residency rights in 2020, paving the way for him to obtain Russian citizenship.

That year a US appeals court found the programme Snowden had exposed was unlawful and that the US intelligence leaders who publicly defended it were not telling the truth.

Putin, a former Russian spy chief, said in 2017 that Snowden, who keeps a low profile while living in Russia, was wrong to leak US secrets but was not a traitor.

Express Tribune
 
Edward Snowden granted Russian citizenship

Former US intelligence contractor Edward Snowden, who leaked extensive US intelligence surveillance operations, has been granted Russian citizenship.

The decree was signed by Russian President Vladimir Putin on Monday.

Mr Snowden, 39, has been living in exile in Russia since exposing the National Security Agency (NSA) programme affecting millions of Americans in 2013.

Mr Snowden, who faces espionage charges in the US, has made no public comments.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63036991

Putin continues to make a mockery of the west. :))

But in reality he is doing what any decent stateman would do, protect those exposed crimes.
 
Snowden is a hero.

Glad to see he is doing good in Russia.
 
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