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Can Younis Khan and Azhar Ali do something special tomorrow?

GLORY OF '92

GLORY OF '92

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I know it's hoping for a near miracle but I'm just wondering whether they are capable. They need to dig in big time. If we can play the 1st session without losing a wicket....
 
Both need to score a century minimum. Also both have their necks on the line as well
 
Unlikely

I hope we can get to 300
 
They have to bat the whole day tommorow,I don't think it's going to happens.
 
Forget about everything.

We all should be happy if Pakistan manages to score 350+ . It would give the crowd something to cheer about and make them feel that this Pakistani side can compete.
 
If Pakistan want to win , they need a hundred from one of them , a big one , and a double hundred for other.

If they want to draw the game , they need lots of rain.
 
Pitch is good to bat, but too many runs here and asking for too much.
 
If by special you mean Pakistan chasing down the score or them remaining unbeaten the whole day in the event of no rain, i think that's not going to happen, however i wouldn't be surprised if they get substantial scores. The pitch is reasonable but more importantly the bowling is quite average, if they see off the first few from Hazlewood and starc they can score some runs. But, with Younis still very tentative and Misbah without any form, not to mention Shafiq who is a walking wicket i don't have much optimism.

I feel if Younis can fight it out he might get to a good score, he is a very good batsman and will find a score in the series. I hope Shafiq is permanently ejected after this game.

Sami Aslam has been good both innings and should look to improve as the series progresses, Azam looked decent but is very ordinary against spinners like Umar Akmal. Sarfaraz as usual with his fighting knock and Amir has bowled quite well.
 
What I would like to see happen is that for both to get some big scores to get them into swing of things for Melbourne. And for Asad and Misbah to contribute as well.

Draw or victory is out of the question.
 
I hope Azhar can score a hundred.

He is an impact-less player who will never be taken seriously by any credible opposition, but he is the deaf king amongst the blind, i.e. our best opener.

On the other hand, UAE Khan is out of his depth in the conditions as usual. Unless Smith sets defensive fields (not going to happen) and allow him to get settled at the crease by bowling Lyon at him (not going to happen), it is going to be only a matter of time before he walks back to the pavilion.
 
Mamoon said:
I hope Azhar can score a hundred.

He is an impact-less player who will never be taken seriously by any credible opposition, but he is the deaf king amongst the blind, i.e. our best opener.

On the other hand, UAE Khan is out of his depth in the conditions as usual. Unless Smith sets defensive fields (not going to happen) and allow him to get settled at the crease by bowling Lyon at him (not going to happen), it is going to be only a matter of time before he walks back to the pavilion.
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Well Azhar had an impact v England 2012, SL 2014, England 2016?
 
If these two can weather the first hour of the morning session then we can take it to the last session otherwise this would be all over either side of the dinner break.
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
Well Azhar had an impact v England 2012, SL 2014, England 2016?
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Minimal - tidbit impact.

He had one good innings in England but we lost that game. Cricket is a game of ability, aura and character. Unfortunately, the stroke-less wonder possesses the latter only.
 
Mamoon said:
Minimal - tidbit impact.

He had one good innings in England but we lost that game. Cricket is a game of ability, aura and character. Unfortunately, the stroke-less wonder possesses the latter only.
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Think Azhar does the job. Impactful or not but he does the job. Only flaw is that he particularly fishes outside off stump.
 
I don't care if we win or loose from here. But we should make these Aussies work hard for the victory if they are to win.
 
Hamzakhalid said:
Think Azhar does the job. Impactful or not but he does the job. Only flaw is that he particularly fishes outside off stump.
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Not as bad yk. His issue is technical, as he doesn't take big strides which leaves him vulnerable to the lbw. But it's a very small window because once he beds in he is difficult to dislodge. Plus I think he flourishes in situations where there is no scoreboard pressure. If he can sieving the beginning overs, he will be ok.
 
Doubt Younis can survive against Starc and particularly Hazlewood.

I hope Azhar scores a century here as it would be something to boost for.

I dont see this match progressing post tea tomorrow only.
 
Mamoon said:
I hope Azhar can score a hundred.

He is an impact-less player who will never be taken seriously by any credible opposition, but he is the deaf king amongst the blind, i.e. our best opener.

On the other hand, UAE Khan is out of his depth in the conditions as usual. Unless Smith sets defensive fields (not going to happen) and allow him to get settled at the crease by bowling Lyon at him (not going to happen), it is going to be only a matter of time before he walks back to the pavilion.
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It's a very small sample but some of the problems that were plaguing him in England are not visible here. There was nothing convincing about his 19 ball stay. But no matter how many soft runs you score 10,000 is a lot. I think he is giving himself a chance here to do better. It's a pity he will have to start from scratch tomorrow when he is most vulnerable
 
Mamoon said:
Minimal - tidbit impact.

He had one good innings in England but we lost that game. Cricket is a game of ability, aura and character. Unfortunately, the stroke-less wonder possesses the latter only.
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Azhar Ali is doing exactly what he is expected to do which is to hold one end tight. The other batters hv to play around him and play with some intent which most of them ain't doing. The only problem i hv with azhar is that he nvr tries to stamp his authoriry over the oppistion and plays with one pace. If, he can some how bring that in his game which is very unlikely then he can be a real impact player.
 
Pitch is no where near a typical gabba wicket, it's flat. Chasing 490 is still tough but can hope for 350 ao which shall give some brownie points going to Melbourne.
 
AamchiMumbaikar said:
Pitch is no where near a typical gabba wicket, it's flat. Chasing 490 is still tough but can hope for 350 ao which shall give some brownie points going to Melbourne.
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Pitch is not the issue, the day-night conditions are (having said that, we did quite well relatively today under lights). But there are plenty of challenges ahead. even if they survive till dinner tomorrow, then come the lights. imperative to have set batsmen in that session.
 
Pakistan won't do anything special. Azhar can get a 100, not expecting anything from Younis.
 
What I can predict is that if Younis Khan scores some runs tomorrow and does something spectacular he will come out in post match presser to thank (not his coaching staff) but some random cricketer...
"..i got a call from Pravin Amre and he told me that i need to stop chasing wide deliveries and then I stopped and I did good"
 
Pete Rose said:
It's a very small sample but some of the problems that were plaguing him in England are not visible here. There was nothing convincing about his 19 ball stay. But no matter how many soft runs you score 10,000 is a lot. I think he is giving himself a chance here to do better. It's a pity he will have to start from scratch tomorrow when he is most vulnerable
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I don't know. For me he looked no different to what he did in England and if he did look better, that's because he faced a lot of Lyon. Interestingly enough, Hazlewood seems to specialize in having wood over aging batsmen - he is doing to Younis what he did to Amla and I expect the to torment to continue over the course of the series.
 
Mamoon said:
I don't know. For me he looked no different to what he did in England and if he did look better, that's because he faced a lot of Lyon. Interestingly enough, Hazlewood seems to specialize in having wood over aging batsmen - he is doing to Younis what he did to Amla and I expect the to torment to continue over the course of the series.
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Specifically, there isnt the exaggerated jumping around or leaving. Yeah I mean its hard to have confidence against his form, but its all about how they begin. He is under pressure, and he knows it.
 
Hamzakhalid said:
Think Azhar does the job. Impactful or not but he does the job. Only flaw is that he particularly fishes outside off stump.
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shaaik said:
Azhar Ali is doing exactly what he is expected to do which is to hold one end tight. The other batters hv to play around him and play with some intent which most of them ain't doing. The only problem i hv with azhar is that he nvr tries to stamp his authoriry over the oppistion and plays with one pace. If, he can some how bring that in his game which is very unlikely then he can be a real impact player.
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Azhar is a good player. Works very hard and keeps his nose clean. There is no better opener in Pakistan at the moment, but he cannot impact the outcome in any positive way in a situation like this because it is well beyond his capability.

His sorry 58 runs in the second innings at Hamilton summed him up. Expect a similar effort here if he scores runs. He will fall on his own sword due to his own limitations without winning/drawing Pakistan the match.
 
Pete Rose said:
Specifically, there isnt the exaggerated jumping around or leaving. Yeah I mean its hard to have confidence against his form, but its all about how they begin. He is under pressure, and he knows it.
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One thing the Australian pacers are doing better than their English counterparts is that they are trying to make him play every delivery, and that is where he is most vulnerable first up in his innings.
 
Both will put up a great fight but we'll fall at some point
 
Lets hope they do well...!!!

But in all honesty, Misbah and Younus need to go after this series.

Misbah has done brilliantly for us since 2010...he was an ideal sort of chap to bring us out of that turmoil.

If it wasnt for him, such is the mentality and immature nature of Pakistani cricketers in general, we would have been wiped out as a team.

The system is so backward and village-like... its just absolute pathetic; when the board is asking him to stay so that he can do some more child minding for the next few years...?

....Oh come off it people, just grow up!

(Prime example, Younis so obsessed with the 10k mark, he is willing to humiliate himself publicily just to get there...instead of admitting to himself that its time to go...)

By the way, 491 for 6 just before tea on day 5.
 
For whatever reason, our batsmen rarely seem to carry on after resuming at the beginning of a day's play
 
I'have already saw haze owing younis in that 4th-5th stump line,he is really luck to be their

That time under light conditions were a tough to survive but still its far from reality to think younis scoring big here
 
Syed1 said:
Both need to score a century minimum. Also both have their necks on the line as well
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Younis will dance like chearleader on cricket pitch so crowd will enjoy it and Azhar will make Australian crowd fall asleep by his sedative innings but none will be able to score big.
 
Hopefully not too special, they need to leave enough runs on the board for Rahat to get his maiden century :rahat
 
Hawkeye said:
Will be in small patches if it does rain, not affecting the match.
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Precipitation probably of 80% till 3pm, it says.
Small parches of rain is even worst. You have to restart the innings after disruption.
 
think first session will be washed out. just means facing more of the new ball under lights!.
inshaAllah we will see something special tomorrow
 
Maybe it's contrarian to say it, but I have more faith from this batting line up than the one from early 2000's if faced with a similar situation.
 
I'm more confident in Azhar than Younis for sure, though I doubt we can get past 250 tbh.
 
Hawkeye said:
We'll break at some point.
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Only thing breaking will be Aussie hearts.

Pete Rose said:
Maybe it's contrarian to say it, but I have more faith from this batting line up than the one from early 2000's if faced with a similar situation.
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This team is definitely tougher and more resilient than the Pakistan teams of days gone by who are fondly remembered for their ATG talents and flair. Even if we're all out in the first session I'd be more confident in this team bouncing back in the next test than I would be for other teams from the last 15-20 years.
 
To be honest the only thing I hope for at this stage is that we know what we are aiming for. Dont just block block block for the sake of it and think it may lead to a win. We need to be clear about the game plan and show some intent. Obviously defend if we have to but also punish them for any loose deliveries.
As professional sportsman they should keep pushing till the end and who knows, we may end up getting close.
 
Buffet said:
Pitch is good to bat, but too many runs here and asking for too much.
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Its strange, different pitches are being used for both teams. Australians bat on a flat one and we, particularly when Younis batting on a bouncy and green top. That's not fair.
 
Mamoon said:
Azhar is a good player. Works very hard and keeps his nose clean. There is no better opener in Pakistan at the moment, but he cannot impact the outcome in any positive way in a situation like this because it is well beyond his capability.

His sorry 58 runs in the second innings at Hamilton summed him up. Expect a similar effort here if he scores runs. He will fall on his own sword due to his own limitations without winning/drawing Pakistan the match.
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So what do u think we shd do with him? I can't see much wrong with his approach considering how brittle our batting line up is. Let him be the anchor around which the other batsmen play but with some intent however having said this his partner in crime Sami Aslam plays with the same approach which is safety fast. I think if this pair has to become a dominating force in the world then one of them have to take a bit of an aggressive route and I would give that license to sami Aslam. The guy has in him to play with a strike rate of around 50-60 which shd make life a bit easier for Azhar. Babar Azam with some more exposure in the longest format wd compliment both these openers well as he plays lot freely than these 2 and is always looking for runs which is a sign of a good batsman.
 
I know this Pakistani batting up in special but they're not good to break history and get any more than 264
 
shaaik said:
So what do u think we shd do with him? I can't see much wrong with his approach considering how brittle our batting line up is. Let him be the anchor around which the other batsmen play but with some intent however having said this his partner in crime Sami Aslam plays with the same approach which is safety fast. I think if this pair has to become a dominating force in the world then one of them have to take a bit of an aggressive route and I would give that license to sami Aslam. The guy has in him to play with a strike rate of around 50-60 which shd make life a bit easier for Azhar. Babar Azam with some more exposure in the longest format wd compliment both these openers well as he plays lot freely than these 2 and is always looking for runs which is a sign of a good batsman.
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I kind of agree with you. Azhar-Sami pair does not work, especially in the UAE/Asia where you need a dynamic opener who can force the issue.

People like to hate on Hafeez but the fact is that his aggressive batting was pivotal for us in UAE Tests. Since Azhar cannot be dropped because he is a senior, I'll be tempted to give Sharjeel a go at Sami's expense at the MCG or the SCG.

We need a contest between bat and ball upfront. Someone who can challenge the line and length of the Australian pacers, who are all over Azhar and Sami because they do not pose any threat.

A fast bowler cannot ask for a better opening pair to bowl to.
 
Pete Rose said:
Maybe it's contrarian to say it, but I have more faith from this batting line up than the one from early 2000's if faced with a similar situation.
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Comparing teams of yesteryears in a present day predicament doesn't help us does it. Those teams also had excellent bowlers not the likes of Rahat.
 
Syed1 said:
Comparing teams of yesteryears in a present day predicament doesn't help us does it. Those teams also had excellent bowlers not the likes of Rahat.
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Those teams excellent bowlers were also ending up with us having to chase + 300 runs. Suggest you look at Pakistanis fast bowling averages in Australia for the last 20 years. It's an open secret that some of our atgs were quite rubbish in oz.
 
moghul said:
Its strange, different pitches are being used for both teams. Australians bat on a flat one and we, particularly when Younis batting on a bouncy and green top. That's not fair.
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Pitch is not too bad for anyone. Pakistani pacers wasted the new ball by bowling too short and not making batsmen play enough. Aus kept attacking the batsmen and made batsmen play. Then Aus also got to bowl during lights so that helped them as well.

Still, this pitch is not the usual pitch at this venue. It's relatively better to bat.
 
Syed1 said:
Comparing teams of yesteryears in a present day predicament doesn't help us does it. Those teams also had excellent bowlers not the likes of Rahat.
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Pete Rose said:
Those teams excellent bowlers were also ending up with us having to chase + 300 runs. Suggest you look at Pakistanis fast bowling averages in Australia for the last 20 years. It's an open secret that some of our atgs were quite rubbish in oz.
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I have no idea how people can call the teams of yester years any better than the one currently touring.

If anything, this new team has already shown more fight and grit than those ATGs. A SHAME they all were chickens in Aus.

Misbah effect probably on the young boys. Fighting.
 
I'm really hoping for the best. Which channel can I watch the match on in the U.K.?
 
Hawkeye said:
I have no idea how people can call the teams of yester years any better than the one currently touring.

If anything, this new team has already shown more fight and grit than those ATGs. A SHAME they all were chickens in Aus.

Misbah effect probably on the young boys. Fighting.
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Bhai jaan we are 420 runs behind in this test inside THREE days what fight are you seeing that is not visible to anyone else.

Fight is when you give the other side something to think about, right now Australia has only put 50% effort and they have pinned you to the mat.

Don't big up the achievements when there are none.
 
Syed1 said:
Bhai jaan we are 420 runs behind in this test inside THREE days what fight are you seeing that is not visible to anyone else.

Fight is when you give the other side something to think about, right now Australia has only put 50% effort and they have pinned you to the mat.

Don't big up the achievements when there are none.
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Amir,Wahab,and Sarfraz have shown fight. The rest should hang there heads in shame. Hopefully the remaining batters salvage some pride and show some fight as I don't see us winning from here.
 
Imagine if we win, Pak fans will go crazy!!!

Everyone has thrown in the towel including me but anything is still possible even though we all know it's all but over.
 
Mamoon said:
I kind of agree with you. Azhar-Sami pair does not work, especially in the UAE/Asia where you need a dynamic opener who can force the issue.

People like to hate on Hafeez but the fact is that his aggressive batting was pivotal for us in UAE Tests. Since Azhar cannot be dropped because he is a senior, I'll be tempted to give Sharjeel a go at Sami's expense at the MCG or the SCG.

We need a contest between bat and ball upfront. Someone who can challenge the line and length of the Australian pacers, who are all over Azhar and Sami because they do not pose any threat.

A fast bowler cannot ask for a better opening pair to bowl to.
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You think Sharjeel would stand a chance against the likes of Starc and Hazlewood.

He would end up becoming a poor man's Warner who himself isn't the one I rate that highly.
 
LegendAli said:
Imagine if we win, Pak fans will go crazy!!!

Everyone has thrown in the towel including me but anything is still possible even though we all know it's all but over.
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ALMOST anything is possible, except a win in this match. maybe a draw, but no chance of a win

its just not possible, don't set yourself up for disappointment
 
Mainul said:
Younis will dance like chearleader on cricket pitch so crowd will enjoy it and Azhar will make Australian crowd fall asleep by his sedative innings but none will be able to score big.
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i hope you are alright while watching azhar and younis bats
 
Great batting so far but the third session will be the real tester if they can make it that far
 
Azhar and Younis playing beautifully so far. The Aussies have concerned look on their faces. Game on!!
 
coy0607 said:
ALMOST anything is possible, except a win in this match. maybe a draw, but no chance of a win

its just not possible, don't set yourself up for disappointment
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A win here is more likely than a draw
 
Pete Rose said:
Pitch is not the issue, the day-night conditions are (having said that, we did quite well relatively today under lights). But there are plenty of challenges ahead. even if they survive till dinner tomorrow, then come the lights. imperative to have set batsmen in that session.
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Get to 260/3 till that twilight hour and just leave everything outside off. Start fresh on last day with only 200 odd to get which shall give Pak a real look.
 
So far so good!

Keep fighting YK and Azhar!

Hope they both get a big big hundred tonight!
 
Only if Pak had bowling all rounders like Ashwin Jaddu Woakes Rashid coming in after no 7 they would have had a decent chance to come close.
 
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