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Mohammad Aamir needs to put on some muscle. If he does, he can hit 145-150kph regularly. I really hope this County stint helps him get his natural swing back. We've seen an improvement over the past year, but still most of his movement is off the seam/bounce, not in the air.
My Pleasure. He has done well to maintain his fitness during 5 years ban.Thank you. Someone with a brain.
My Pleasure. He has done well to maintain his fitness during 5 years ban.
Like Amir was taken apart by Rostom Chase in the first ODI against the West Indies, however Amir retained his place while Wahab lost it to Junaid...
Amir might've bowled the best in the final but he has also been afforded the most chances to make a name for himself..
When and where did this happen? Roston Chase had his debut after that series and still he was taking apart Amir, I guess he was doing that from the bench.
Now coming to your next false point, look closely next time and then tell who was taken apart. Hasan Ali was the most expensive bowler in that match going at 8.6 and took 0 wickets, but he shouldn't be dropped. Next was Wahab Riaz who was going at around 7.6 and took 1 wicket, but he too shouldn't be dropped. Only the bowler whose name is Amir should be dropped regardless of the fact that he was the best among them both in economy and wickets, going at 6.5 and taking 2 wickets, because a player not playing was taking him apart in a imaginary world.
When and where did this happen? Roston Chase had his debut after that series and still he was taking apart Amir, I guess he was doing that from the bench.
Now coming to your next false point, look closely next time and then tell who was taken apart. Hasan Ali was the most expensive bowler in that match going at 8.6 and took 0 wickets, but he shouldn't be dropped. Next was Wahab Riaz who was going at around 7.6 and took 1 wicket, but he too shouldn't be dropped. Only the bowler whose name is Amir should be dropped regardless of the fact that he was the best among them both in economy and wickets, going at 6.5 and taking 2 wickets, because a player not playing was taking him apart in a imaginary world.
When and where did this happen? Roston Chase had his debut after that series and still he was taking apart Amir, I guess he was doing that from the bench.
Now coming to your next false point, look closely next time and then tell who was taken apart. Hasan Ali was the most expensive bowler in that match going at 8.6 and took 0 wickets, but he shouldn't be dropped. Next was Wahab Riaz who was going at around 7.6 and took 1 wicket, but he too shouldn't be dropped. Only the bowler whose name is Amir should be dropped regardless of the fact that he was the best among them both in economy and wickets, going at 6.5 and taking 2 wickets, because a player not playing was taking him apart in a imaginary world.
Yes, forget the economy, Amir's last 2 overs went for 30 runs... including an over of 17 runs...
In those crucial last overs it proved to be match losing, regardless of what happened at the other end.. the savior didn't perform well and he was lucky he didn't face majority of the onslaught as he still had one over left
Lets not judge the guy based on one bad game. Hopefully the county stint will do him a world of good and he will come back an improved bowler for Pakistan.
The point we made was on Amir's fitness, and his fans drag the conversation from him bowling better than anyone else in the tournament to him batting better than Sarf was Srilanka... which are complete lies.
Nobody hates Amir here, its his fans that are the most irritable part about him
Yes, forget the economy, Amir's last 2 overs went for 30 runs... including an over of 17 runs...
In those crucial last overs it proved to be match losing, regardless of what happened at the other end.. the savior didn't perform well and he was lucky he didn't face majority of the onslaught as he still had one over left
Based on that Amir should be dropped from not only test but ODI? - We have spotted an Einstein here:
Hasan Ali should have been dropped too after India's match, his last 2/3 over went for plenty, that has happened couple of times in last 6-8 months. Is that just applicable to Amir only?![]()
What is your beef with Amir, I am not getting it? - Are you M Wasim Or Sakindar Bakth by any chance?![]()
Based on that Amir should be dropped from not only test but ODI? - We have spotted an Einstein here:
Hasan Ali should have been dropped too after India's match, his last 2/3 over went for plenty, that has happened couple of times in last 6-8 months. Is that just applicable to Amir only?![]()
What is your beef with Amir, I am not getting it? - Are you M Wasim Or Sakindar Bakth by any chance?![]()
M Amir has a 4'fer against NZ in his first series after return.Yes I feel he is too overrated, when was the last time Amir picked up a 5'fer in ODIs?
Hasan picked up two in the span of 2 months... so he is much better than flab in my opinion
When was the last time Amir picked up a 4'fer? 8 years ago in Srilanka..
Hasan had one in his debut series...
So yea please look at the wickets column too, before deciding who is a passenger in the side and who is the real deal![]()
Yes, forget the economy, Amir's last 2 overs went for 30 runs... including an over of 17 runs...
In those crucial last overs it proved to be match losing, regardless of what happened at the other end.. the savior didn't perform well and he was lucky he didn't face majority of the onslaught as he still had one over left
Amir isn't a passenger,he has picked up the second most wickets for Pakistan since Hasan debuted,he has a good economy too.He is one of the best bowlers in Pakistan,and deserves to be in the team.Yes I feel he is too overrated, when was the last time Amir picked up a 5'fer in ODIs?
Hasan picked up two in the span of 2 months... so he is much better than flab in my opinion
When was the last time Amir picked up a 4'fer? 8 years ago in Srilanka..
Hasan had one in his debut series...
So yea please look at the wickets column too, before deciding who is a passenger in the side and who is the real deal![]()
M Amir has a 4'fer against NZ in his first series after return.
So if Amir was the champion he was made out to be he would've won us that match, but he was cartered around in the match all over the boundary, now his fans say he is overbowled but then he should've sit out after a p*** poor performance in the first match [MENTION=140154]Arsalan Pro[/MENTION]
Infact he was the reason we lost at the death overs, his last 2 overs yielded more runs than Wahab Riaz, Hasan wasn't bowled in this game after his 5 overs, whereas Wahab and Amir were tried, but Amir ended up bowling more poorly than Wahab costing us the match
He was given rest from the T20s and it was his first match of the series, so no way he needed any rest. The worst bowlers of that match Hasan and Wahab were playing T20 series and should have rightly been the ones to be rested or dropped, not Amir.
Such nonsense, why are you over and over again stating lies and blaming Amir. Why are you presenting only Amir's last 2 overs figures? Now look again at match, Amir conceded 34 of his last 3 while taking a wicket, going at 11. Hasan bowled rubbish throughout the match and conceded 24 of his last 2, at 12 per over with no wickets, with one going for 15.Wahab went for 37 runs in his last 3 with no wickets, going at over 12 per over. Even the death bowling figures present Amir as the best bowler among them, but only he will be criticized ad he is 'Amir'. Hasan and Wahab Riaz were poor throughout the match than Amir and were the real reason of losing the match, but they won't be blamed by Waleed as they are not 'Amir'.
It was a 3'fer I guess.
But he picked up a 4'fer in England.
Amir isn't a passenger,he has picked up the second most wickets for Pakistan since Hasan debuted,he has a good economy too.He is one of the best bowlers in Pakistan,and deserves to be in the team.
Positive criticism is needed,not this senseless bashing.
Yes remind me the last time Amir won a match single handedly with his bowling? (like at least taking half the wickets) Even the CT final he picked up three wickets, but the rest of the damage was done by other bowlers... statistically its not a 5'fer or even a 4'fer.. which is not man of the match worthy
apparently he wasn't even fit enough to bowl a second spell
Ask any Indian whether Amir's spell was match-winning or not.
Rohit, Dhawan and Kohli were by far the best batsmen for India in the CT. First with our previous conversation regarding Dilshan and now this, you seem to ignore the impact.
Say he got Jadhav, Ashwin, Jadeja, Kumar and Bumrah out. That's five wickets. Would you call that match-winning?
Wasim Akram took three wickets in the 92 final but people still talk about his spell. Cricket is not always about statistics. Impact is extremely important.
When batsmen are under pressure, they get out... top 3 were vital wickets but the other 7 aren't easy pickings either, there is areason INdia is the World no.1 team right now...
There is a reason why a 320+ score hasn't been chased in an ODI tournament final (I maybe wrong), and its considered a match winning total if you manage to get those..
It was the highest total of the tournament, that sort of pressure can be insurmountable..
More than Amir's deliveries, it was the pressure that got to the batsmen
Wasim's wickets are considered crucial, but it wasn't only him, Mushi picked up 3 very important wickets, while Aqid picked two including Neil Fairbrother...
Wasim only got MOM because of the manner he dismissed the batsmen, as well his 30 odd in the death overs which added crucial runs to the total
They are #3...
They are #3...
So pressure made Rohit fall LBW to an inswinger which he missed while trying to drop the ball to the leg-side, not the swing; pressure made Kohli defensively nick the ball the first time (which Azhar dropped), pressure made Amir get extra bounce which Dhawan tried to defend and was caught behind.
Whose spell is talked about to this day as being the leading factor for the win?
Yes it was pressure, Sharma has always struggled against swing, but Dhawan and Kohli got out because of the pressure...
Dhawan's short arm jab was for a single, similar shots he played against Amir in previous overs, watch the highlights...
While Kohli's flick was a scoring shot which induced an edge.. both shots were due to pressure of not scoring runs
They are #3...
So pressure made Rohit fall LBW to an inswinger which he missed while trying to drop the ball to the leg-side, not the swing; pressure made Kohli defensively nick the ball the first time (which Azhar dropped), pressure made Amir get extra bounce which Dhawan tried to defend and was caught behind.
Whose spell is talked about to this day as being the leading factor for the win?
Dhawan got out because of extra bounce. Kohli's flick was a scoring shot, but the previous ball which induced an edge wasn't. Amir had him on the back-foot.
He picked up the first 3 wickets,the most important ones.The wickets of the gun batsmen,Sharma who had just hit a hundred in the SF,Kohli who is an ATG(probably GOAT)ODI chaser(twice too),and Dhawan the leading runscorer of the CT.Yes remind me the last time Amir won a match single handedly with his bowling? (like at least taking half the wickets) Even the CT final he picked up three wickets, but the rest of the damage was done by other bowlers... statistically its not a 5'fer or even a 4'fer.. which is not man of the match worthy
apparently he wasn't even fit enough to bowl a second spell
I'm sorry when? He doesn't have 1 4'fer besides the one against SL in 2009
He picked up the first 3 wickets,the most important ones.The wickets of the gun batsmen,Sharma who had just hit a hundred in the SF,Kohli who is an ATG(probably GOAT)ODI chaser(twice too),and Dhawan the leading runscorer of the CT.
He killed the Indian chase before it even began.Like it or not,this spell will be remembered for ages.It doesn't matter if it was a 4'fer or a 5'fer,at the end of the day,that is just another damn statistic.And Amir wasn't even the MotM,that was Fakhar.
Who told you he was unfit?
Both Junaid and Amir kept it tight, which is why Dravid also credited Junaid for bowling from the other end... the pressure induced the wickets while batsmen went for their shots..
There was nothing in the pitch otherwise, this was been discussed plenty of times, a score of 250 would never had induced those mistakes
And yet Amir got the ball to swing into Rohit, nip away from Kohli and generated extra bounce for Dhawan's dismissal.
So what does that tell you about Amir?![]()
Like I said, the pressure of the run chase helped the bowler pick wickets who normally likes to bowl economically.. namely 2 wickets in 3 games he played
Maybe he's wearing the chest guard under his shirt ??? Could be.....
Like I said, the pressure of the run chase helped the bowler pick wickets who normally likes to bowl economically.. namely 2 wickets in 3 games he played
From October 2015
Thank you. Someone with a brain.
My Pleasure. He has done well to maintain his fitness during 5 years ban.
Let Us Live in Present.
Not a huge issue but He needs to get rid of his love hadle fat. Better fitness will help him and teams he ll play for.
In Asia cup India was chasing only 84 what's happened then?
LOL true but instead of giving credit to M Amir for his brilliant bowling you are saying that India lost there wickets under pressure so I'm just saying that there was no pressure on India in Asia cup yet M Amir got wickets in similar manner.They won...
It's not fat, just body shape. He can't get rid of it. Amir's very well conditioned. What he isn't conditioned for is keep his pace at 145-150 consistently due to technical and mobility issues. Luden or whoever has been working with him hasn't targeted the right areas.Let Us Live in Present.
Not a huge issue but He needs to get rid of his love hadle fat. Better fitness will help him and teams he ll play for.
LOL true but instead of giving credit to M Amir for his brilliant bowling you are saying that India lost there wickets under pressure so I'm just saying that there was no pressure on India in Asia cup yet M Amir got wickets in similar manner.
The ban has been over for 1.5 years, more than enough time to get rid of the belly and put on some mass. However, he feels entitled because of the way he has been fast-tracked and all the hype that he has generally not deserved. We as a country suffer from Superstar Syndrome and fan-boyism due to which players like Amir don't feel the need to work their backsides off.
Yes, pressure was an added factor in both games... but in the first game Kohli handled it since it was a chase of 80 runs, and he succumbed here since the game was slipping out of their hands every second...
However Dhawan clearly wanted to get out to acceleration, he hit 2 fours vs Amir in the previous over, and he was looking to drive that bowl which he normally wouldn't have if the req run wasn't so high..
Same for Kohli who got out flicking the ball across the line which isnt a normal cricketing shot so early on in the innings
Yes, pressure was an added factor in both games... but in the first game Kohli handled it since it was a chase of 80 runs, and he succumbed here since the game was slipping out of their hands every second...
However Dhawan clearly wanted to get out to acceleration, he hit 2 fours vs Amir in the previous over, and he was looking to drive that bowl which he normally wouldn't have if the req run wasn't so high..
Same for Kohli who got out flicking the ball across the line which isnt a normal cricketing shot so early on in the innings
Amir's belly and his physique sums up his attitude and work ethic. No wonder he goes through the motions and bowls at 70% (by Azhar Mahmood's own admission) most of the time.
A lazy performer who probably feels entitled and needs someone to lit a fire for him to bend his back and give his 100% best.
Hopefully he will use the Champions Trophy final as an inspiration instead of going back to his usual post-ban mode.