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But we were told that he is a better test player than Kohli and now people are saying he is finished LOL. Was never better than Kohli in any aspect of batting other than crease occupation.
 
Hasan123 said:
But we were told that he is a better test player than Kohli and now people are saying he is finished LOL. Was never better than Kohli in any aspect of batting other than crease occupation.
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Even Umar Akmal was termed like that, yes we do get to see reality after a while :))
 
Even funny thing is he was considered more powerful & aggressive than Dravid in the beginning of career. Now we can comfortably say that Dravid could have scored at an higher SR even batting left handed & still shielded his wicket :)
 
I think a lot of his problems are in his head - a few sessions with a sports psychologist may help, or even just having a long chat with former pros like Dravid. He’s just so damn negative these days. If he does play the full test series I think we are going to see a lot of scores like 20(70), 30(95) etc.
 
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Kohli as a test batsmen is well ahead of any of his teammates, the difference is bigger than it was between Tendulkar and his other teammates.
 
Ab Fan said:
Kohli as a test batsmen is well ahead of any of his teammates, the difference is bigger than it was between Tendulkar and his other teammates.
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Kohli - Attitude - Captaincy - Shastri - Headaches, etc is even >>> than Bradman!
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Rahane is ahead of Kohli in England. Kohli has to prove himself this time in England.
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Rahane won't be the same this time around, just like Pujara is not the same anymore (compared to his earlier career and best in the previous tour to South Africa!) Same thing may apply to Kohli - only Captaincy & Team issues can interrupt him this time around!
 
RamLakhan said:
Rahane won't be the same this time around, just like Pujara is not the same anymore (compared to his earlier career and best in the previous tour to South Africa!) Same thing may apply to Kohli - only Captaincy & Team issues can interrupt him this time around!
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Why not?
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Rahane is ahead of Kohli in England. Kohli has to prove himself this time in England.
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In one single country, anyone can be ahead of anyone. That means nothing. Rahane is one of the worst batsmen to have played for India at home even if he is as good as Kohli outside Asia. In a same way, Chepu is well ahead of Kohli in Asia but outside that, he is terrible.

My point was on overall, not just England or any one venue. In contrast, in SRT era, others would score in different countries and not just SRT. Here, it is Kohli and one of Pujara/Rahane(depending on venues).
 
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Why not?
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Confidence... My sixth sense psychological observation on current Indian Cricket says that Rahane, Rahul, Ashwin, etc, belong to red-eye treatment of team-management, whereas Rohit, Dhoni, Raina, etc, belong to favorable treatment group! So some guys are always under the heat while performing and some are on the luxurious seat! Pujara is a different case, he is himself to blame for his current state! Rahane should have asked to open in Indian Test matches and should not have dropped in South Africa.

In this way it would have helped his confidence! Sometimes players need this backing and we should not "always" "demand" performance from them! Especially when you see quality in them its worth investing, after all everyone are humans and not machines! I miss Ganguly so much (remember the way he promoted himself above Sachin in one of the test matches!) Even Kohli is capable of such things, but he does other non-sense in between and he can be easily perturbed/distracted by his dosthees/buddies!
 
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No 50s in 25 first class innings and now he’s set for 2 in 3 innings. Hope it continues. Must admit I would have dropped him for the whole series but I was clearly wrong with that call. Sure he’s had some edges and close calls in this innings but that’s cricket.
 
He’s made the most of the good batting conditions. There’s one thing you can never doubt Pujara on and it is his monkesque temperament. When the bank isn’t seaming around much he will grind his way to big scores. He still remains unproven. He’s scored where if he hadn’t scored he would be booted from this team forever.
 
Ever noticed he only bats well when Kohli is around?
 
No fan of Pujara, massively overrated but this inning he has played well. Best part has been a couple of square cuts, which for some reason indians just don't play anymore. Anyway it's his chance to claim glory, score a century get a 75 runs lead and cricinfo's 20 of next 25 articles would be about Pujara. Remaining 5 will be on Rahul Dravid's impact on Indian youngsters.
 
And Kohli wanted to replace this dude with Rohit Sharma :)) I'm pretty sure if it weren't for the Kohli-Shastri regime trying to get rid of him at every opportunity possible and instead backed him on a consistent basis, he would have been much more successful. Pujara's one of the most mentally strong cricketers India has produced in a long time. Great innings.
 
His best test century.

Well done.

Second highest scorer in the series already having played 1 lesser test than most
 
Very good knock. He has been poor overseas for the most part but today you have to give him credit for the knock. Comparisons with Kohli are riddicoulous but he's still a very good test batsmen.
 
Bilal7 said:
Good innings today but nothing more than a solid test batter.
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He is what India needs for its Test team, a "solid test batter" with an average of 50+. It has other batsmen for its LOI teams.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Innings taken to reach 3,000 runs:<br>67 - Dravid<br>67 - Pujara<br><br>Innings taken to reach 4,000 runs:<br>84 - Dravid<br>84 - Pujara<br><br>Innings taken to reach 5,000 runs:<br>108 - Dravid<br>108 - Pujara<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AUSvIND?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AUSvIND</a> <a href="https://t.co/hAptdcvgZo">pic.twitter.com/hAptdcvgZo</a></p>— bet365_aus (@bet365_aus) <a href="https://twitter.com/bet365_aus/status/1070580450588913664?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 6, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Well Kohli an Shastri tried their best to end his career on multiple occasions, but he just keeps coming back. Incredible character.
 
Proactive_ said:
Well Kohli an Shastri tried their best to end his career on multiple occasions, but he just keeps coming back. Incredible character.
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True. Requires unbelievable strength and character what they did with him. Kohli even played his friend Rohit over him lmao and then Pujara made a match and series winning 145* against SL in SL to shut him up.
 
Brilliant century. Great start to the series by Pujara.

Arguably his best knock as it came away from home and this hundred can really set the tone for the series??
 
The thing which delighted me was he wasn't playing for his century even after being under so much pressure of scoring. Hats off, he did everything he could have.
 
Innings taken to reach 5,000 runs:
108 - Dravid
108 - Pujara
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And to think that this guy was DROPPED from the team barely 4 Test matches back. The sooner these clowns in Shastri and Kohli are released of their duties of coach and captain.. the better it is. Having them in charge is like having Kim Jong Un and Donald Trump in charge of the world.
 
Pujara again saved the day for India.

Probably the most clutch batsmen I've ever seen.
 
Proactive_ said:
And to think that this guy was DROPPED from the team barely 4 Test matches back. The sooner these clowns in Shastri and Kohli are released of their duties of coach and captain.. the better it is. Having them in charge is like having Kim Jong Un and Donald Trump in charge of the world.
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How good was his performance in south africa.
What is his overseas batting avg?
Sure he has played well today but that doesn't compensates for how many times he failed.
 
Savage said:
Pujara again saved the day for India.

Probably the most clutch batsmen I've ever seen.
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He was the ONLY difference between Aus and India in the 2017 home series as well. Take him out and Australia would have probably won the series 3-0. His innings at Bangalore in the 3nd innings on a raging turner against Lyon in the form of his life was the innings of the year for me..
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
How good was his performance in south africa.
What is his overseas batting avg?
Sure he has played well today but that doesn't compensates for how many times he failed.
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This was great innings from Pujara. However this was his first ever ton in Aus despite getting so many opportunities. Perhaps first in Eng as well in our last series there? Has hit 1 in SA in his very first series there. That's 3 tons in these 3 toughest places to bat for an Indian bat.
 
lol, people are talking as if he has set the world on fire with his overseas test batting. His home batting was never an issue to begin with. It has always been his away test travails that have left much to be desired especially when he was called Dravid's successor in terms of technique and doggedness.
 
Quality test hundred. One of his best. He might have some technical flaws but there is no doubt this guy’s temperament is amazing for test cricket. Once set he really knows how o make it count. Well played Sir.

He is the most Pakistani batsman in the Indian team. Ugly but gritty and will score runs in tough conditions where IPL rockstars will fail.
 
Proactive_ said:
He was the ONLY difference between Aus and India in the 2017 home series as well. Take him out and Australia would have probably won the series 3-0. His innings at Bangalore in the 3nd innings on a raging turner against Lyon in the form of his life was the innings of the year for me..
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Some players deserves way more credit for their performance than Others.Just Imagine if Kohli or Root played those knocks,We would've been hearing their praises for a long time.Both Kohli and Root are quality players but gets OTT praise whenever they do well.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
How good was his performance in south africa.
What is his overseas batting avg?
Sure he has played well today but that doesn't compensates for how many times he failed.
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He scored a clutch 50 in the only Test India won on that tour. Don't give me that nonsense about non performance. Virat Kohli averaged below 40 around the 30 Test mark, that's around what Rohit Sharma averages now and yet he was always assured of his place. Pujara was averaging 47+ when Kohli and his ******* started dropping him from 2015 onwards at every opportunity they could find on the pretext of not showing enough "intent". Yeah, that drive on the 7th stump today was really intentful, Kohli..

All the time Pujara has played from 2015-18 is under the added pressure of saving his place in the team. He didn't and doesn't have the luxury that golden boys like Kohli had, and yet he's proven himself time and time again. I might have to remind you that he still averages over 50 and has reached 5000 runs in the same innings that Dravid did so he's obviously doing something right. Not to mention he was the only Indian batsman who stood up against the only decent spin attack India faced in the home season against Australia while hype boys like Kohli were treated like tail enders.

I said it a while back that at WORST Pujara will be India's Mahela Jayawardene.. an Asian ATG and a reasonable bat overseas, and Mahela Jayawardene is a highly respected player in the cricketing fraternity and has played many ATG knocks in Asian conditions and quite a few useful knocks overseas as well. But if Kohli and Shastri were in charge of the SL team at that time, Jayawardene would have hardly played 50 Tests and had his confidence shattered getting dropped 3rd Test..that's what Kohli and Shastri have been doing to the team and paying the price for it.
 
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MP2011 said:
Whenever Kohli scores runs, they are not clutch or are not needed by India. I get it now.
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Kohli was indredible against Eng recently but overall Pujara has played more clutch innings than Kohli in his test career and has actually helped India win 2 of their most important Asian series in recent times i-e against Aus at home and against SL in SL.
 
Savage said:
Some players deserves way more credit for their performance than Others.Just Imagine if Kohli or Root played those knocks,We would've been hearing their praises for a long time.Both Kohli and Root are quality players but gets OTT praise whenever they do well.
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Thats because they do it more consistently than say Pujara who has been well below par in these 3 countries. Just contrast his home/away average with that of Kohli and you'll know why people go ga ga about Kohli's batting exploits.

Kohli has what (close to 10) how many tons in SEA countries? How many does Pujara have in SEA countries?
 
SarfiBabarHaris said:
Kohli was indredible against Eng recently but overall Pujara has played more clutch innings than Kohli in his test career and has actually helped India win 2 of their most important Asian series in recent times i-e against Aus at home and against SL in SL.
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You need to learn more about Pujara, the batsman. Scoring runs in subcon has never been a problem area for him, its away tours where he falters quite a bit and the same reflects in vast disparity in his home and away averages.

Speaking of home runs, Kohli made so many clutch runs against Eng in their last series in India, do they count as clutch or since they came at home, they count for nothing?
 
MP2011 said:
You need to learn more about Pujara, the batsman. Scoring runs in subcon has never been a problem area for him, its away tours where he falters quite a bit and the same reflects in vast disparity in his home and away averages.

Speaking of home runs, Kohli made so many clutch runs against Eng in their last series in India, do they count as clutch or since they came at home, they count for nothing?
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You need to learn the meaning of clutch.
 
Kohli was indredible against Eng recently
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lol, he was incredible against Eng recently, thats it? What about him being top scorer from both sides in that incredibly tough series in SA, earlier this year? Not often, an away batsman outscores a home batsman, but he did.

What about his 700 runs in his last series in Aus? All those were soft runs?

lol, I know the answer.
 
MP2011 said:
Thats because they do it more consistently than say Pujara who has been well below par in these 3 countries. Just contrast his home/away average with that of Kohli and you'll know why people go ga ga about Kohli's batting exploits.

Kohli has what (close to 10) how many tons in SEA countries? How many does Pujara have in SEA countries?
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LoL consistency of Root.You do realise Root has been mediocre for past year with mediocre returns in Ashes 2017,in NZ(2018) and home series against India where even HTB Pujara outperformed him.Besides that wasn't even my point.My only point is that Whenever Kohli or Root scores runs,they get way more praise than they deserves here.Atleast that's what I've seen since I joined in this forum.
 
Savage said:
LoL consistency of Root.You do realise Root has been mediocre for past year with mediocre returns in Ashes 2017,in NZ(2018) and home series against India where even HTB Pujara outperformed him.Besides that wasn't even my point.My only point is that Whenever Kohli or Root scores runs,they get way more praise than they deserves here. At least that's what I've seen since I joined in this forum.
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This always happens. A Dravid always gets overshadowed by the likes of Laras, Tendulkars and Pontings....This always happens, flair (and consistency) always gets top billing. People love to eulogize players with flair.
 
MP2011 said:
This always happens. A Dravid always gets overshadowed by the likes of Laras, Tendulkars and Pontings....This always happens, flair (and consistency) always gets top billing. People love to eulogize players with flair.
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Yep I know but I don't like it.
 
And if Root is mediocre, then what about Pujara? Apart from these 2 tons this year, Pujara hasn't done much in tough environs.
 
I agree with [MENTION=145164]Proactive_[/MENTION] and [MENTION=143023]SarfiBabarHaris[/MENTION] 100% here. Pujara has been the most clutch batsman for India this decade and also among the top if you consider all teams. Also his treatment by Kohli-Shastri was as disgraceful as it can get. Can't believe that with a slice of bad luck here or there those arrogant imbeciles would have dropped him permanently.

Pujara has been the main catalyst behind India's number 1 position from the batting side. Remove Kohli and nothing much would have changed, remove Pujara and we would have lost in Sri Lanka 2015 and a home series against Australia last year. Even on the difficult home pitches against NZ (2016) and SA (2015) it was Pujara and Vijay who did the hard yards while Kohli waited for flat pitches/dead rubbers/demoralized opponents to artificially inflate his stats. In fact on rank turners Pujara may be GOAT candidate while Kohli is extremely poor.

It is crazy to think how much he is under-appreciated in cricket circles and in the minds of most fans/pundits. Just to prop up Brand Kohli, Pujara has become a convenient target probably aided by his docile & naive nature and more significantly lack of a powerful lobby behind him.
 
Swashbuckler said:
I agree with [MENTION=145164]Proactive_[/MENTION] and [MENTION=143023]SarfiBabarHaris[/MENTION] 100% here. Pujara has been the most clutch batsman for India this decade and also among the top if you consider all teams. Also his treatment by Kohli-Shastri was as disgraceful as it can get. Can't believe that with a slice of bad luck here or there those arrogant imbeciles would have dropped him permanently.
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Not just India, he is the most clutch batsman in the world right now.

Unlike Kohli his centuries result in match and series wins.

As you said remove Pujara and you guys would have lost in Sri Lanka 2015 and a home series against Australia.

If i have a choice, i would easily pick Pujara over Kohli in Pak test team. Atleast i will be sure i will not lose a test series in Asia.
 
Up there with Williamson's effort in UAE. Didn't rate him after some disastrous away tours, but he keeps producing those crucial match-winning knocks. :bow:
 
Swashbuckler said:
I agree with [MENTION=145164]Proactive_[/MENTION] and [MENTION=143023]SarfiBabarHaris[/MENTION] 100% here. Pujara has been the most clutch batsman for India this decade and also among the top if you consider all teams. Also his treatment by Kohli-Shastri was as disgraceful as it can get. Can't believe that with a slice of bad luck here or there those arrogant imbeciles would have dropped him permanently.

Pujara has been the main catalyst behind India's number 1 position from the batting side. Remove Kohli and nothing much would have changed, remove Pujara and we would have lost in Sri Lanka 2015 and a home series against Australia last year. Even on the difficult home pitches against NZ (2016) and SA (2015) it was Pujara and Vijay who did the hard yards while Kohli waited for flat pitches/dead rubbers/demoralized opponents to artificially inflate his stats. In fact on rank turners Pujara may be GOAT candidate while Kohli is extremely poor.
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Excellent post, and congrats on the POTW on other post as well.

Very good Indian poster!
 
No other centurion in the test and amazing clutch innings in the first innings at 50/4.
 
Should aim for 10k runs. No doubts nownover his place in the side.
 
In previous eras Pujara would have been dropped after his horrid ~6 months before he finally scored some runs in Nottingham and Southampton over the summer. The selectors did a good job in the end. Must admit I got that one wrong as I would have dropped him.
 
A very good test batsmen. No one doubts his ability to play spin which was an example in this test. His test is on flat pitches when the game needs to move forward, is he able to all will he just stick go 1 pace? In Australia that could cost the team.

On these type of pitches , no one doubts his ability. He was the key to the victory. Deserves full credit for this effort.
 
IMO this Pujara 100 trumps any of Kohli's 100s of the 2014-15 series. Hope he capitalizes on this wonderful start and matches/surpasses the previous no 3 stalwart Rahul Dravid's monster series in 2003-04.
 
Gabbar Singh said:
In previous eras Pujara would have been dropped after his horrid ~6 months before he finally scored some runs in Nottingham and Southampton over the summer. The selectors did a good job in the end. Must admit I got that one wrong as I would have dropped him.
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I too was wrong here. He had me really, really frustrated at one point.
 
Hasan123 said:
A very good test batsmen. No one doubts his ability to play spin which was an example in this test. His test is on flat pitches when the game needs to move forward, is he able to all will he just stick go 1 pace? In Australia that could cost the team.

On these type of pitches , no one doubts his ability. He was the key to the victory. Deserves full credit for this effort.
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We have Sharma , Pant, Rahul and other garbage for this " Intent" based batting
 
Superb batsman. His ability to knuckle down and produce tough runs is amazing. And don't give me that nonsense of flat track bully. This guy has played some ATG knocks in difficult conditions. One of the GOATs in the subcontinent conditions and turning into a very clutch overseas player as well. We should pray we get a batsman with even half his level of temperament.
 
Amazing stats :
Pujara is the only batsman to score 50+ in all of India's three away wins in 2018:
1. 50 off 179, 1st inngs, Joburg
2. 72 off 208, 2nd inngs, Trent Bridge
3. 123 & 71, Adelaide
( From Cricbuzz)
 
Pujara’s tests scores including and since his second innings at Nottingham:

72,
132*,
5,
37,
0,
86,
10,
123,
71,
24,
4,
106.
 
He is embellishing his record, which is great for him but really he seems only focused on that. It is very difficult to justify a 300 balls century when India eventually had to declare in first inning.
 
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