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China’s weapons systems vs Indian indigenous weapon system - which one reigned supreme in recent India Pakistan tensions 2025?

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So, the whole aircraft’s thing seems to have Beene closed as a PR campaign. The stocks of Chengdu aviation which skyrocketed during the war are now CRASHING as the dust settles and no credible information about Chinese jets doing any significant damage emerges

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On top of that, Chinese Anti missile systems like HQ-9/P and HQ-9B also appear to have failed massively in comparison with Russia made S-400s deployed by India which have already become the superstars of world. In fact even India’s indigenously made Akash SAF missile systems have proven to be incredible efficient.

This war and the failure of Chinese defense equipments to have had a major positive impact is going to hurt China’s export ambitions in defense sector.

As much money China and US spent in their negative PR campaign against Rafale, it is still the most dynamic, versatile and impactful 4.5 gen aircraft out there and gets the job done beautifully.
 
Bharat has made significant strides in developing indigenous defense systems under the Atmanirbhar Bharat initiative. The country now produces a wide range of military equipment, including ballistic and cruise missiles, combat aircraft, warships, artillery, and air defense systems.

Key Indigenous Systems:
  • Missile Power: Bharat’s missile program is among the world’s best, with systems like Agni (ballistic missiles), Pralay (tactical), and BrahMos (supersonic cruise missile). BrahMos is considered one of the fastest cruise missiles in service globally.
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  • Air Power: The Tejas Mk1A fighter jet is fully indigenous and is now being inducted into the Air Force. Tejas Mk2 and the 5th-generation AMCA stealth fighter are in development. Jet engine technology, however, remains an area of weakness.
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  • Naval Strength: India has indigenously built aircraft carriers (INS Vikrant), nuclear submarines (INS Arihant), and destroyers (Visakhapatnam-class). India is now one of the few countries with full-spectrum naval capabilities.
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  • Artillery & Armored Vehicles: Systems like the ATAGS (world’s longest-range howitzer) and Dhanush guns showcase India’s artillery strength. Indigenous tanks like Arjun Mk1A and locally produced K9 Vajra howitzers are also in service.
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  • Drones & UAVs: India’s surveillance drone capabilities (e.g., Rustom-II) are improving, but strike drones and stealth UCAVs are still in development. India lags behind in this area compared to countries like the US, China, and Turkey.
  • Air Defense: Akash SAM systems are operational, with the Akash-NG upgrade underway. India also fields tactical anti-air and anti-tank systems developed by DRDO.
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Global Technological Standing
  • India is among the top 5 countries in ballistic missile technology and naval shipbuilding.
  • In fighter jet development, India is catching up but still behind leaders like the US, Russia, and China.
  • In jet engines and drones, India remains heavily dependent on imports.
  • Indigenous radar, electronic warfare, and cyberwarfare capabilities are growing but need more investment and integration.

Future Upgrade Plans (2025–2035)
  • Full induction of Tejas Mk1A fighters and testing of Tejas Mk2 by 2027.
  • Prototype of AMCA stealth fighter by 2026, with production by 2032.
  • Development of indigenous jet engines in partnership with France or the UK.
  • Deployment of hypersonic cruise missiles like BrahMos-II and Shaurya variants.
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  • Induction of stealth UCAVs (Ghatak) and more AI-based autonomous systems.
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  • Expansion of cyberwarfare units and deployment of directed-energy weapons (like lasers) by 2035.
  • Aim to become a top 10 global defense exporter by focusing on missile systems, aircraft, and naval platforms.

India’s defense sector is transitioning from dependence to dominance in selected areas, but to truly lead, it must solve key technological gaps — especially in propulsion, drones, and AI warfare systems.


Btw, India’s #DefenceExports surged from Rs 686 crore in 2013-14 to Rs 23,622 crore in 2024-25, a 34-fold increase. In 2024-25, private sector exports were Rs15,233 crore, and DPSUs Rs 8,389 crore, with DPSU exports growing 42.85%. Export authorisations rose by 16.92%, and exporters increased by 17.4%.India exports to around 80 countries aiming for ₹50,000 crore in exports by 2029, strengthening its global defence manufacturing footprint.

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Hope Bharat under the influence of Surrender Modi continues to make it these sort of strides.

First stride resulted in tea was fantastic

Second stride resulted in 6-0
I eagerly await the third stride :kp
 
Harops were heroes in the Armenia-Azerbaijan conflict, but performance against a networked PAF is another game. With Adani building Harop & SkyStriker in India, the future of loitering munitions in complex battlespaces looks solid. Smart warfare is coming

:kp
 
What more can be expected from Chinese products...LOL

Time will tell how successful China is with the export of their weapon systems. They had devoted all their propaganda machinery to show their weapons if good light but India has exposed their systems.

S-400 and Akash systems totally embarrassed Chinese Anti missile systems. The difference in effectiveness has been huge.

Defense is serious business and countries want reliable systems and not always the cheapest
 
The manner in which their weapons were used to bomb ( or bum) India is probably the reason for it. When your bum someone so violently a little bit of exposure is natural.
 
Don't think much has been exposed. War was limited in nature. :inti

They got caught in their own web of lies and that’s what got right back to bite them in the ass.

The whole Rafale related propaganda was premature and not just them but the American : Lockheed lobby also got exposed too early.

China should have waited this out before the PR campaign for their weapons system. I don’t even think Bharatiyas were going to make a big deal of this.

But like I said, China laid a trap for themselves. Classic 🤣
 
They got caught in their own web of lies and that’s what got right back to bite them in the ass.

The whole Rafale related propaganda was premature and not just them but the American : Lockheed lobby also got exposed too early.

China should have waited this out before the PR campaign for their weapons system. I don’t even think Bharatiyas were going to make a big deal of this.

But like I said, China laid a trap for themselves. Classic 🤣
What can you expect. Pakistan is the biggest customer for Chinese defense exports. For Pakistan, its much worse. 80% of their defense imports are from China. A real iron brother😂


Notably, Pakistan is almost completely reliant on China for arms and ammunitions, with over 80% of Pakistan’s defence procurement being from China over the last 5 years. For China as well, Pakistan is the key customer, with over 60% of China’s defence exports being to Pakistan.

 
It seems like Indians are hellbent on living in a parallel universe. Why not build a portal using Indian tech and move there? Then there will be buyers for Indian narrative outside India.
 
It seems like Indians are hellbent on living in a parallel universe. Why not build a portal using Indian tech and move there? Then there will be buyers for Indian narrative outside India.
 
What can you expect. Pakistan is the biggest customer for Chinese defense exports. For Pakistan, its much worse. 80% of their defense imports are from China. A real iron brother😂


Notably, Pakistan is almost completely reliant on China for arms and ammunitions, with over 80% of Pakistan’s defence procurement being from China over the last 5 years. For China as well, Pakistan is the key customer, with over 60% of China’s defence exports being to Pakistan.



Why would this be a problem? China could annex Pakistan far as most of the public would care. Worst case scenario is Pakistan being a client state of China. If India becomes a testing ground for Chinese weapons system...meh.
 
It seems like Indians are hellbent on living in a parallel universe. Why not build a portal using Indian tech and move there? Then there will be buyers for Indian narrative outside India.

The rest of the world will appreciate not getting hassled by scam callers every day.
 
Why would this be a problem? China could annex Pakistan far as most of the public would care. Worst case scenario is Pakistan being a client state of China. If India becomes a testing ground for Chinese weapons system...meh.
I dont have a problem if Pakistan can put their sovereignty at stake. India always wanted to be a self reliant nation and we are striving for that as indicated by the data in defense exports vs imports.

Pakistanis should question themselves whether this is for the better or the worse, as it indicates a complete reliance on China.

I think both China and India are big enough and smart enough to realize where to test their toys. Hopefully, Pakistan will not be their pawn in the game😁
 
The rest of the world will appreciate not getting hassled by scam callers every day.
No shame in accepting when one is wrong. These scam callers are such a menace that they deserve the harshest punishment. Infact, my parents were on the receiving end if this scam callers in India, though not a big amount.

Gladly welcome if someone is putting an end to them.
 
No shame in accepting when one is wrong. These scam callers are such a menace that they deserve the harshest punishment. Infact, my parents were on the receiving end if this scam callers in India, though not a big amount.

Gladly welcome if someone is putting an end to them.

Thankfully Pakistan put an end to them briefly the other day... and now Modi has them reassigned to his IT cells, for how long though remains to be seen.
 
Increase the budget by 15% every year for the next 10 years and take it beyond 200 billion dollars. All the money spent on defense has been worth and allowed us to give a broken jaw to Pakistan recently.

Given our indigenous capabilities enhancements and our ability to deliver top end tech at a fraction of a cost, we will be challenging China head to head

 
Increase the budget by 15% every year for the next 10 years and take it beyond 200 billion dollars. All the money spent on defense has been worth and allowed us to give a broken jaw to Pakistan recently.

Given our indigenous capabilities enhancements and our ability to deliver top end tech at a fraction of a cost, we will be challenging China head to head


Lol at challenging China.
 
Lol at challenging China.

I wouldn’t have said it few weeks ago.

The non performance of China made weapon systems leading to Pakistan 5th straight defeat to Bharat in a war (0-5) has filled me with a belief I had not thought of before :kapil
 
Realistically speaking, we should within the next 5-10 years move up two places to the 3rd biggest spender on arms.

Our reliability and cost effectiveness should make us at par with China when we are at 200 billion USD defense budget
 
Increase the budget by 15% every year for the next 10 years and take it beyond 200 billion dollars. All the money spent on defense has been worth and allowed us to give a broken jaw to Pakistan recently.

Given our indigenous capabilities enhancements and our ability to deliver top end tech at a fraction of a cost, we will be challenging China head to head

Why? What exactly do you plan to prove with an extra $200 billion, against a nation that runs its entire military on just $11 billion?

If overwhelming force guaranteed victory, history would look very different. Maybe invest that money in logic first.
 
I wouldn’t have said it few weeks ago.

The non performance of China made weapon systems leading to Pakistan 5th straight defeat to Bharat in a war (0-5) has filled me with a belief I had not thought of before :kapil

Stand up comedy material
 
Why? What exactly do you plan to prove with an extra $200 billion, against a nation that runs its entire military on just $11 billion?

If overwhelming force guaranteed victory, history would look very different. Maybe invest that money in logic first.

Lol that money will only go into their fat pockets and anything left will be used to acquire fifth grade weapons and they will get their behinds whipped again in another conflict with Pakistan and their only retort against Pakistan in the media will be "But But, we have $199 billion more than you".
 
Why? What exactly do you plan to prove with an extra $200 billion, against a nation that runs its entire military on just $11 billion?

If overwhelming force guaranteed victory, history would look very different. Maybe invest that money in logic first.

Pakistan is already done and dusted. Our eyes are set on China now. They know what’s coming and unlike their fussadi stuff, our missiles work beautifully as Pakistanis know now from satellite images :yk
 
Lol that money will only go into their fat pockets and anything left will be used to acquire fifth grade weapons and they will get their behinds whipped again in another conflict with Pakistan and their only retort against Pakistan in the media will be "But But, we have $199 billion more than you".

Smell the coffee.

BrahMos is already the best missile
In the world. With Brahmos-2 we are taking it levels ahead.

AMCA is coming within the next decade. 5.5 gen

Then you have indigenous S-400 rival

Our defense capabilities are getting significantly enhanced and with more funding it’s going to become a serious problem for China
 
But she’s not 9 year old, not your type.

:asadrauf

I never said I want to marry her. “Cute” isn’t limited to looks, it’s an adjective with plenty of contextual uses, like most words in the English language. Let’s not get carried away.

And as the older brother of this forum, let’s try to maintain a little decorum and mutual respect.
 
I never said I want to marry her. “Cute” isn’t limited to looks, it’s an adjective with plenty of contextual uses, like most words in the English language. Let’s not get carried away.

And as the older brother of this forum, let’s try to maintain a little decorum and mutual respect.

What respect?

Who here broke the ceasefire treaty of no war mongering and started shamelessly celebrating imaginary victories and bad mouthing Indians , almost giving open hate speeches?
 
Pakistan is already done and dusted. Our eyes are set on China now. They know what’s coming and unlike their fussadi stuff, our missiles work beautifully as Pakistanis know now from satellite images :yk
Wishing you all the best against China.

Hopefully one day, India will compete by building world class cities, producing innovations like BYD, and matching real progress, not by chasing military fantasies with weapons bought from abroad.
 
What respect?

Who here broke the ceasefire treaty of no war mongering and started shamelessly celebrating imaginary victories and bad mouthing Indians , almost giving open hate speeches?
You’re confusing the act of countering India’s parallel universe, imaginary content with hate speech.

There’s a difference between challenging propaganda and spreading hate.
 
I truly believe that Indian Army and Technology is supreme on all fronts. They got the latest technology and equipment from not only west but all around the world. Their domestic infrastructure around research and development for military technology is also undeniable chart topping.

Still one can't help but scartch its head as to how IAF got duped by PAF. I mean it's not that the Rafale is a bad plane. Rafale is an equally potent aircraft. If employed well.
 
I truly believe that Indian Army and Technology is supreme on all fronts. They got the latest technology and equipment from not only west but all around the world. Their domestic infrastructure around research and development for military technology is also undeniable chart topping.

Still one can't help but scartch its head as to how IAF got duped by PAF. I mean it's not that the Rafale is a bad plane. Rafale is an equally potent aircraft. If employed well.

Rafales were utilized to make precision hits to perfection at strategic targets. We did a hell of a job with the Rafales and we are already past the rumours era. Satellite images are already out and I had posted a thread about it clear it once and for all about who made the better strikes but the mods took it down because it absolutely demolished the false narratives (on this forum only)
 
That being said weapons partnerships are long term strategic alliances and we will keep monitoring how much support we keep getting on French jets.

I hope we can strike a deal with the Russians soon on Su-57s. Before war I was personally in favour of pushing for an F-35 deal (yet to be official offered, only a dangling carrot for now) but post war i don’t think India should trust Americans with defense tech. Russia is time tested ally and Su57s are phenomenal too.
 
Strongly believe the Pakistanis must seek a refund for these non working useless crap they got from China.

If it was received for free or from begging money however, phir theek hae muft ka chandan ghis mere nandan

Still on a serious note, I think when the nation’s image is at stake, you should actually purchase quality stuff
 
Lol Bhaijaan seems deeply hurt from the destruction of his country's jets, defense system, bases, army and overall reputation that has taken a hit at a global scale. All big talks from Indians came down crashing like their Migs and Rafales.

We get it bhaiji that your arsenal is potent so is ours, but it's your people handling it who are impotent so disappointment, frustration and humiliation is understandable. No wonder impotency led to sindoor being disappointed
 
Increase the budget by 15% every year for the next 10 years and take it beyond 200 billion dollars. All the money spent on defense has been worth and allowed us to give a broken jaw to Pakistan recently.

Given our indigenous capabilities enhancements and our ability to deliver top end tech at a fraction of a cost, we will be challenging China head to head

India has to increase its military budget. Not enough with so many weasels surrounding it. Of course they should all be defensive options. Offense should be the last option.

India is big enough with large economy and it does not have to attack to prove a point. Keep working on your economy and the sheer weight of it will crush most of its enemies.
 
Lol Bhaijaan seems deeply hurt from the destruction of his country's jets, defense system, bases, army and overall reputation that has taken a hit at a global scale. All big talks from Indians came down crashing like their Migs and Rafales.

We get it bhaiji that your arsenal is potent so is ours, but it's your people handling it who are impotent so disappointment, frustration and humiliation is understandable. No wonder impotency led to sindoor being disappointed
What about your Airbases that got destroyed by Brahmos? Forgot already?
 
Mods plz edit the thread title. India has not own weapon system. It was all Russian and France
 
I am impressed with some of India's indigenous hardware, particularly in the missile category.

I've always thought of DRDO as a massively underachieving organisation.
 
I am impressed with some of India's indigenous hardware, particularly in the missile category.

I've always thought of DRDO as a massively underachieving organisation.
Indian missiles are world class. Their weakness is their Airforce and it was exposed not for the first time. They need to invest in both tech and training. Modi should work with Trump and make a deal.
 
Ppl on both sides are getting killed, I don't know if boasting about Weapons is the right thing.......

Do dial your memory to week or so back and the baying of blood by your rabid media. They wanted blood and destruction, they ended up getting it but to their surprise, turns out most of it was their own which made them a laughing stock to the world and in the end having to plead for a ceasefire.

People in the Northwest of India are having to light candles to goto sleep tonight. Thank Modi for that.
 
Do dial your memory to week or so back and the baying of blood by your rabid media. They wanted blood and destruction, they ended up getting it but to their surprise, turns out most of it was their own which made them a laughing stock to the world and in the end having to plead for a ceasefire.

People in the Northwest of India are having to light candles to goto sleep tonight. Thank Modi for that.

Agreed Paxstan won the war on PP, Indians were humiliated and humbled 😇
 
So India done satya naas of Israeli drones french rafaels Russian defence systems. No wonder they went running to trump before they could humiliate U.S. next.
 
Not Just Retaliation—A Statement: 6 IMPACTFUL WEAPONS of India's Operation SINDOOR Phase I 🇮🇳

After the Pahalgam terror attack, India’s Operation Sindoor was a precise, multi-domain military response. These 6 weapons turned the tide of the conflict—each playing a critical, high-impact role on the battlefield.

Let's begin with👇:

1️⃣ Akash Missile System: India’s Indigenous SAM that clipped enemy's wings!

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📌 The Akash is a DRDO-developed medium-range surface-to-air missile system, capable of engaging targets up to 25 km away with high accuracy in all-weather conditions.



🔴 In Operation Sindoor: Akash missiles brought down multiple UAVs and hostile airborne threats near critical bases. Its performance boosted confidence in indigenous air defense and proved that India’s homegrown tech can match imported systems in battlefield efficiency.


2️⃣ L70 Anti-Aircraft Gun: The Legacy Defender

📌 The L70 is a radar-guided 40mm anti-aircraft gun originally from Sweden, now upgraded with digital sights and tracking systems to destroy low-flying targets like drones and helicopters.

🔴 In Operation Sindoor: These guns were placed in vulnerable zones in J&K and played a key role in night operations. They brought down several Pakistani quadcopters and loitering munitions trying to breach Indian populated cities during blackouts, acting as the first line of response when radar visibility was limited.

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3️⃣ S-400 Triumf: India’s Strategic Air Shield

📌 The S-400 is a Russian long-range air defense system capable of detecting and destroying targets up to 400 km away—including aircraft, drones, and ballistic missiles.

🔴 In Operation Sindoor: S-400 units were deployed near the border to create a no-fly zone over Indian airspace. The system successfully detected and intercepted missiles like Fatah-II, fired by Pakistan on Indian cities, ensuring total aerial dominance and shielding offensive assets in real time. Pakistan even attempted to target the system but was unable to get any confirmed hit on any of the battery's component.

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4️⃣ Rafale with SCALP and Hammer!: The Deep Striker

📌 The Rafale is a 4.5-gen French multirole fighter. Paired with SCALP cruise missiles (range ~560 km), it can hit high-value targets without entering enemy airspace.

🔴 In Operation Sindoor: Rafales struck terrorist launch pads, headquarters and Pakistan military's key installations, like radar installations and command centres, inpoint precision. The SCALP-enabled strikes were surgical and untraceable, delivering a psychological and operational blow to adversaries.

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5️⃣ Su-30MKI with BrahMos: The Supersonic Game-Changer

📌 India’s Su-30MKI, a twin-jet air superiority fighter, has been upgraded to carry the BrahMos-A—an air-launched variant of the world’s fastest supersonic cruise missile.

🔴 In Operation Sindoor: These jets launched BrahMos missiles at strategic infrastructure across the LoC. The strikes caused neutralization of enemy radar stations, damage of airbase infrastructure and affected supply lines. The 300+ km stand-off range allowed these missions to be executed without entering hostile territory.

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6️⃣ HAROP Loitering Munition: The Kamikaze Drone

📌 HAROP is an Israeli loitering munition, also known as a kamikaze drone. It loiters over targets, locks onto radar signals or visuals, and dives into them with explosive force.

🔴 In Operation Sindoor: HAROP drones were used for SEAD (Suppression of Enemy Air Defenses) missions, targeting enemy radars and communication nodes. Their stealth, autonomy, and precision allowed them to penetrate the Pakistani air defence and hit their targets deep inside Pakistan, even with

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