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The US is tracking a suspected Chinese surveillance balloon that has been spotted flying over sensitive sites in recent days.

Defence officials said they were confident the "high-altitude surveillance balloon" belonged to China. It was most recently seen above the western state of Montana.

But military leaders decided against shooting it down as there were concerns over the danger of falling debris.

China has not yet commented.
 
Diplomatic row between China and US escalates as Pentagon says second 'spy balloon' being tracked
Pentagon spokesman Brigadier General Pat Ryder confirms a second "spy balloon" is being tracked "transiting Latin America".

China has claimed the flight of an "airship" over the US was an accident and accused politicians and the media of taking advantage of the situation.

The US claims the craft is a suspected spy balloon and said it had committed a "clear violation" of US sovereignty.

China insisted it is used for meteorological and other scientific research.

"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries," the foreign ministry said in a statement.

US officials said earlier that it had postponed a visit to China by Secretary of State Antony Blinken following the sighting.

However, a Chinese spokesperson said Beijing and Washington had not announced any visit and that "the US announcements are their own matter and we respect that".

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We have had several reports across northwest MO of a large balloon visible on the horizon. It is now visible from our office in Pleasant Hill and the KC Metro. We have confirmed that it is not an NWS weather balloon. <a href="https://t.co/CKQWOw7God">pic.twitter.com/CKQWOw7God</a></p>— NWS Kansas City (@NWSKansasCity) <a href="https://twitter.com/NWSKansasCity/status/1621562137717141505?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 3, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
The political uproar over a suspected Chinese spy balloon drifting over the United States did not just derail a planned visit to Beijing by the top U.S. diplomat, it also threatens to upset attempts by both countries to steady an increasingly rocky relationship.

The reaction in the United States to what appears to be an ill-timed spying mission will have lingering consequences for efforts to stabilize ties – already near historic lows. Some U.S. lawmakers are demanding that President Joe Biden, a Democrat, hold China to account for what officials are calling an unacceptable violation of U.S. sovereignty.

U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken, who postponed a trip that was to begin on Friday, said he would be prepared to visit Beijing "when conditions allow," but the administration could be hard pressed to quickly revive the trip short of China offering up serious gestures of goodwill, policy analysts said.

Daniel Russel, the top U.S. diplomat for Asia under then-President Barack Obama, said China's "laughable alibi" that the aircraft was an errant weather balloon, didn't help.

"This incident has soured the atmosphere and hardened positions and there's no guarantee the two sides can successfully resurrect the 'Bali' momentum," Russel said, referring to the November meeting between Biden and Chinese leader Xi Jinping in Indonesia where they agreed to increase communications.

Ties between the superpowers have frayed over the past few years and sank to their worst in decades last August, when then U.S. House of Representatives Speaker Nancy Pelosi visited Taiwan, prompting Beijing to conduct military drills near the Chinese-claimed island.

Since then, the Biden administration has said it hopes to build a "floor" for the relationship and ensure that rivalry does not spiral into conflict.

But Republicans who control the House are already working on ways to investigate potential threats from the United States' top geopolitical rival and have been quick to put heat on Biden about the balloon, questioning how it was allowed into U.S. airspace.

CALLS TO SHOOT DOWN BALLOON

Michael McCaul, the Republican chair of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, on Friday demanded to know why the administration had not shot the balloon down, accusing the president of allowing it to pose "a direct and ongoing national security threat to the U.S. homeland."

China has often complained about surveillance of its growing military by U.S. ships and aircraft, though such operations in recent years have been conducted from widely recognized international waters and airspace.

The mood in China over the balloon was also glum. The government expressed regret that an "airship" used for civilian meteorological and other scientific purposes had strayed. Some Chinese domestic commentators were scathing, however, about the U.S. response.

"If Blinken were to cancel his trip to Beijing because of the balloon, I'd see it as him using that as an excuse to do what he had wanted to do anyway - not visit China," said Zhu Feng, executive dean of the School of International Relations at Nanjing University, speaking before the State Department announced the trip's cancellation.

Had Blinken gone ahead with the visit, it likely would have opened the administration to more strident criticism that its approach toward was China weak and poor optics in Congress where there is bipartisan support for a hard line on Beijing, some analysts said.

MISSED OPPORTUNITIES

Expectations for Blinken's trip had been low, but he had intended to raise by name the cases of American citizens the United States says are wrongfully detained in China, and push Beijing to cooperate on stemming the flow of fentanyl, both areas where any progress would have built momentum that could carry into other discussions.

Ivan Kanapathy, a former White House National Security Council deputy senior director for Asia, said he anticipated a string of hearings in Congress about China that would make it difficult for Blinken to justify a trip to Beijing unless he can win the release of detained Americans or return with another major prize.

China, too, wants a stable U.S. relationship so it can focus on its economy, battered by the now abandoned zero-COVID policy.

Blinken's visit - what would have been the first by a secretary of state to China since 2018 - was seen largely as an effort to develop ways to navigate future crises. With a trip to Taiwan by new House Speaker Kevin McCarthy likely this year, the next crisis might not be far off.

"Overall, I do think the Biden administration would like to reschedule, as there are many issues on the table and a real chance for a thaw. But the balloon incident probably means the thaw is postponed indefinitely," said RAND Corporation Indo-Pacific analyst Derek Grossman.

But Ryan Hass, a China expert at the Brookings Institution, said on Twitter that China's balloon operation had at least given the United States and China a chance to work out rules of engagement in space and at high altitudes, where the two countries' militaries will come into increasingly close contact.

"We should not squander this opportunity to materially reduce risk and also prevent future violations of U.S. airspace by PRC spy balloons," Hass said.
 
Flights have been suspended at several airports in the US as the country reportedly prepares to shoot down a suspected Chinese spy balloon.

Flights have been paused at three airports including Myrtle Beach International Airport in South Carolina because of a "national security effort", the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) said.
 
Spy Balloons is such a noobish way of spying. China should send drone pigeons like Pakistan does.
 
lol at shooting down a balloon, you can always rely on the cowboy yanks to turn to shooting something.

Just send up a drone or some sort of aircraft to capture and bring it down.

China has 44+ satellietes in space, they dont need to use a balloon.
 
China has 44+ satellietes in space, they dont need to use a balloon.

This.

I don't think a country like China needs to resort to using a balloon. They got satellites.

It is possible China is just taunting/trolling USA or it could be accidental (balloon going off-track).
 
The US has shot down a giant Chinese balloon that it says has been spying on key military sites across America.

The Department of Defence confirmed its fighter jets brought down the balloon over US territorial waters.

China's foreign ministry later expressed "strong dissatisfaction and protest against the US's use of force to attack civilian unmanned aircraft".

Footage on US TV networks showed the balloon falling to the sea after a small explosion.

An F-22 jet fighter engaged the high-altitude balloon with one missile - an AIM-9X Sidewinder - and it went down about six nautical miles off the US coast at 14:39 EST (19:39 GMT), a defence official told reporters.

Defence officials told US media the debris landed in 47ft (14m) of water - shallower than they had expected - near Myrtle Beach, South Carolina.

The military is now trying to recover debris which is spread over seven miles (11km). Two naval ships, including one with a heavy crane for recovery, are in the area.

In a Pentagon statement a senior US defence official said that "while we took all necessary steps to protect against the PRC [China] surveillance balloon's collection of sensitive information, the surveillance balloon's overflight of US territory was of intelligence value to us.

"We were able to study and scrutinise the balloon and its equipment, which has been valuable," the official added.
 
The Biden administration lauded the Pentagon for shooting down an alleged Chinese spy balloon off the US Atlantic coast on Saturday, but China angrily voiced its "strong dissatisfaction" at the move and said it may make "necessary responses."

The craft spent several days flying over North America before it was targeted off the coast of the southeastern state of South Carolina with a missile fired from an F-22 plane, Pentagon officials said, falling into relatively shallow water just 47 feet (14 meters) deep.

US Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin called the operation a "deliberate and lawful action" that came in response to China's "unacceptable violation of our sovereignty."

But China's Ministry of Foreign Affairs blasted the US action in a statement Sunday morning, saying the downing of the "civilian" aircraft was "clearly overreacting and seriously violating international practice."

Saturday afternoon was the military's first chance to take down the balloon "in a way that would not pose a threat to the safety of Americans," a senior defense official told reporters, while still allowing authorities to collect the fallen debris from US territorial waters.

In eyewitness video posted to social media, the balloon appeared to disintegrate in a white puff before its remnants dropped vertically into the Atlantic Ocean below.

Twitter user Haley Walsh posted that she "heard and felt the explosion" in Myrtle Beach, a popular resort town in South Carolina.

President Joe Biden, who earlier Saturday had promised "to take care" of the balloon, congratulated the fighter pilots involved.

"They successfully took it down. And I want to compliment our aviators who did it," Biden told reporters in Maryland.

'Clearly overreacting'

The controversy erupted Thursday, when American officials said they were tracking a large Chinese "surveillance balloon" in US skies.

That led Secretary of State Antony Blinken on Friday to scrap a rare trip to Beijing designed to contain rising US-China tensions.

After initial hesitation, Beijing admitted ownership of the "airship," but said it was a civilian weather balloon that had been blown off course and that it "regrets" the episode.

But after Saturday's operation, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs expressed China's "strong dissatisfaction and protests against the use of force by the United States to attack the unmanned civilian airship."

Instead of responding in a "restrained manner," the ministry said in its statement, "the United States insisted on using force, clearly overreacting."

"China will resolutely safeguard the legitimate rights and interests of relevant enterprises and reserve the right to make further necessary responses," the statement added.

The balloon first entered US airspace over Alaska on January 28, Pentagon officials told reporters Saturday, before drifting over Canada and then back into the United States days later.

It was not the first time in recent history such an aircraft had flown over US territory, the senior defense official said, though this was the longest time one had spent in the country. Three balloons were spotted during Donald Trump's presidency and another one earlier in the Biden administration.

Biden told reporters he had on Wednesday ordered the craft shot down "as soon as possible."

"They decided -- without doing damage to anyone on the ground... that the best time to do that was as it got over water," Biden said.

According to the senior defense official, the military determined the airship was not a major threat to the United States during its flight, and "the surveillance balloon's overflight of US territory was of intelligence value to us," he added, without providing details.

Balloons across five continents

Teams were already working on recovering the balloon's remains, a senior military official said Saturday.

The balloon had flown over parts of the northwestern United States -- including the state of Montana -- that are home to sensitive airbases and strategic nuclear missiles in underground silos.

"We are confident it was seeking to monitor sensitive military sites," the senior defense official said.

Republican lawmakers had quickly pounced on the balloon incident, casting Biden -- who has largely preserved, and at times expanded, Trump's hawkish policies on China -- as weak.

By late Saturday afternoon, the Federal Aviation Administration had opened the airspace off the coast of the Carolinas, after three southeastern airports were temporarily shut down over a "national security" effort.

Another suspected Chinese spy balloon was seen over Latin America, the Pentagon said Friday, without providing details.

"Over the past several years, Chinese balloons have previously been spotted over countries across five continents, including East Asia, South Asia and Europe," the senior defense official said Saturday.
 
Saw an analysis on YouTube.

Two things were evident. One is the balloon was being controlled. Second thing is China probably wanted this balloon to be spotted. If they wanted to make it less visible, the balloon would've been higher in altitude.

I think China just wanted to send a message to USA.
 
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US Navy divers are working to recover the wreckage of the Chinese surveillance balloon that was shot down off the coast of South Carolina.

America's former top military officer said he expected it would happen relatively quickly so that experts could begin analysing its equipment.

Fighter jets brought the craft down over US territorial waters on Saturday and debris is spread over a wide area.

The US believes the balloon was monitoring sensitive military sites.

Its discovery set off a diplomatic crisis, with US Secretary of State Antony Blinken immediately calling off this weekend's trip to China.

The Chinese authorities denied it was used for spying and insisted it was a weather ship blown astray.
 
Beijing confirmed on Monday a balloon spotted flying over Latin America is Chinese, while the United States worked to recover what it claimed was an unmanned spy craft it shot down at the weekend.

China has expressed fury at Washington’s decision to shoot down a device that it insists was an unmanned weather surveillance aircraft that had veered off course last week.

That balloon sparked outrage in the United States, which accused China of an “unacceptable violation” of its sovereignty and prompted Secretary of State Antony Blinken to call off a planned trip to Beijing.

Beijing acknowledged on Monday that the latest balloon, spotted by US and Colombian officials flying over Latin America at the weekend, was also Chinese.
 
"No Intention" To Return 'Spy' Balloon Debris To China: US
China says the balloon was an errant weather observation aircraft with no military purpose.

The United States is in the process of recovering debris from the Chinese balloon out of the Atlantic for analysis by intelligence experts and there is no plan to give the remains back to Beijing, the White House said Monday.
"They have recovered some remnants off the surface of the sea and weather conditions did not permit much undersea surveillance of the debris field," National Security Council spokesman John Kirby told reporters, two days after a US fighter jet shot down the balloon, which had previously traversed the country.

US personnel will "in the coming days be able to get down there and take a better look at what's on the bottom of the ocean, but it's just started," Kirby said, noting that the area where debris had scattered was "sizeable."

China says the balloon was an errant weather observation aircraft with no military purpose. The United States says the balloon was a sophisticated high-altitude spying vehicle.

After slowly traversing the middle of the United States, reportedly over several top secret military sites, the balloon headed out over the east coast, where President Joe Biden ordered it to be shot down.

Kirby said there was no intention to send the pieces back. "I know of no such intention or plans to return it," he said.

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https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/whi...s-to-china-3759390#pfrom=home-ndtv_topstories
 
How can a balloon drift so much that it appears in American North West thousands of miles away? It may not be a spy balloon, but it is very stupid from China.
 
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The US Navy has released photos of a suspected Chinese surveillance balloon that was shot out of the sky on Saturday.

The US Fleet Forces Command posted several photos on its Facebook page showing large debris of the balloon being hauled into a boat.

The post said the sailors retrieving the debris on Sunday were part of the Navy's specialist explosives team.

The device will now be examined to see whether it was indeed spy equipment.

US officials have described the balloon as being about 200 ft (60m) tall, with the payload portion comparable in size to regional airliners and weighing hundreds - or potentially thousands - of pounds.
 
At least three suspected Chinese spy balloons flew over the US undetected during the Donald Trump presidency, defence officials have said.

The US did not detect the balloons at the time, said Gen Glen VanHerck, citing a "domain awareness gap".

They may have initially been classified as UFOs, according to the New York Times and Bloomberg.

The US has since classified them as surveillance balloons, based on additional intelligence.

Gen VanHerck, the Pentagon official responsible for US airspace defence, said on Monday there was a gap in military intelligence at the time.

BBC
 
US sources insist Chinese balloon was military

US intelligence sources have insisted the balloon shot down on Saturday was used by the Chinese military for spying.

Unnamed officials told the Washington Post they believed such balloons were used to collect intelligence on strategically relevant countries.

Japan, India, Taiwan and the Philippines were among those countries.

Chinese officials have already denied using such balloons for surveillance.

An official told the Washington Post that the US intelligence community believed some of the balloons were being flown from Hainan, a southern Chinese island that is home to a naval military base.

Quoting an unnamed senior Biden administration official, CBS News confirmed that the US intelligence community believed the balloon was part, in its words, of an "aerial surveillance program run by the People's Liberation Army out of Hainan".

On Monday, the US briefed 40 allied countries about the alleged espionage, a senior Biden administration official confirmed to CBS News.

In that briefing, Deputy Secretary of State Wendy Sherman also revealed one balloon had circumnavigated the planet in 2019, travelling over Hawaii and Florida.

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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64564549
 
99 Allied Balloons

Weather balloon lol. Chinese should've used some pigeons
 
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Downed balloon one of a ‘fleet’ of Chinese surveillance devices, US alleges
US ‘not the only target’ of Chinese surveillance, warns US secretary of state, as FBI investigates balloon wreckage

China has a “fleet” of surveillance balloons of different shapes and sizes, which it has deployed over five continents, US officials have claimed.

The allegations on Wednesday came as salvage work continued off the South Carolina coast for the debris from a high-altitude Chinese balloon a US jet fighter downed on Saturday after it had crossed the whole of the continental US.

“We’re not alone in this,” said the US secretary of state, Antony Blinken. “We’ve already shared information with dozens of countries around the world both from Washington and through our embassies. We’re doing so because the United States was not the only target of this broader programme which has violated the sovereignty of countries across five continents.”

On Thursday, Japan said cases of suspected balloons flying over Japan had been confirmed, including in the waters off the south-western region of Kyushu in 2022. Tokyo was exchanging data with the US, said government spokesperson Hirokazu Matsuno.

“We will continue to monitor the situation with utmost interest and gather information,” he said.

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...et-of-chinese-surveillance-devices-us-alleges
 
suspected Chinese surveillance balloon that the US shot down this week was able to collect communications signals, a US official has said.

It was equipped with multiple antennas capable of "intelligence collection operations", a senior State Department official said in a background briefing.

On Thursday, US lawmakers passed a non-binding resolution condemning China for the balloon.

China has denied the balloon was used for spying purposes.

It has said the balloon was a weather device blown astray.

The US, however, believes the balloon is part of a wider fleet of surveillance balloons that has spanned five continents.

House of Representatives lawmakers called the balloon it a "brazen violation of United States sovereignty" as the body voted 419 to 0 on Thursday morning to condemn its use.
 
Weather balloon as per China. According to US, it is a spy balloon. US takes its airspace seriously.

lol so serious they allowed it to float around for how long..over their airspace?

Acc to reports China and US were in constant contact when the balloon entered their airspace.

China has many many satellites , some which can read the beer can of a hillbilly. They dont need to send big balloons.

But to use an F22 to shoot this down shows nothing but a propaganda act to further spread hate against China.

With Ukraine falling apart the state terrorists are now turning their attention to China/Taiwan.
 
US President Joe Biden ordered a fighter jet to shoot down an unidentified "high-altitude object" off Alaska on Friday, the White House says.

Spokesman John Kirby said the unmanned object was "the size of a small car" and posed a "reasonable threat" to civilian aviation.

The object's purpose and origin was unclear, Mr Kirby said.

It comes a week after the American military destroyed a Chinese balloon over US territorial waters.

Speaking at the White House on Friday, Mr Kirby said the debris field of the object shot down on Friday was "much, much smaller" than the balloon shot down last Saturday off the coast of South Carolina.

He said that the object was flying at 40,000ft (12,000m) over the northern coast of Alaska.

It had already flown across Alaska at a speed of 20 to 40mph (64km/h) and was out over the sea travelling towards the North Pole, when it was shot down.

Commercial airlines can fly as high as 45,000ft.

Helicopters and transport aircraft have been deployed to collect debris from the frozen waters of the Beaufort Sea.

BBC
 
Another object has been shot down. What's going on?

This one hasn't been confirmed to be Chinese. If not Chinese, who then?

Link: https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/11/politics/norad-additional-object-northern-canada/index.html.


Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said Saturday that an “unidentified object” had been shot down by a US fighter jet over Canadian airspace on his orders.

“I ordered the take down of an unidentified object that violated Canadian airspace. @NORADCommand shot down the object over the Yukon. Canadian and U.S. aircraft were scrambled, and a U.S. F-22 successfully fired at the object,” Trudeau said on Twitter.

Later on Saturday, the White House confirmed that Trudeau and US President Joe Biden authorized the shoot-down and the Pentagon said the object was first spotted over Alaska on Friday evening.

Trudeau said that he spoke with Biden on Saturday and that Canadian forces will lead the object recovery operation.

Both Biden and Trudeau authorized the take-down of the object, a White House readout of a call between the two leaders said on Saturday. And according to the statement regarding the call, the leaders “discussed the importance of recovering the object in order to determine more details on its purpose or origin.”

The object shot down Saturday marks the third time in one week that US aircraft have shot down an object in North American airspace. Saturday’s incident follows the downing of another unidentified object on Friday over Alaska, and the shoot-down of a suspected Chinese surveillance balloon on February 4 by a US F-22 fighter jet.

A statement from Pentagon spokesman Brig. Gen. Patrick Ryder said the object shot down on Saturday was first noticed over Alaska on Friday evening. Two F-22 fighter jets “monitored the object” with the help of the Alaska Air National Guard, Ryder’s statement said, “tracking it closely and taking time to characterize the nature of the object.”

“Monitoring continued today as the object crossed into Canadian airspace, with Canadian CF-18 and CP-140 aircraft joining the formation to further assess the object. A U.S. F-22 shot down the object in Canadian territory using an AIM 9X missile,” his statement added.

“As Canadian authorities conduct recovery operations to help our countries learn more about the object, the Federal Bureau of Investigation will be working closely with the Royal Canadian Mounted Police,” Ryder said in his Saturday statement.

Canadian Defense Minister Anita Anand tweeted Saturday that she had discussed the incident with US Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin “and reaffirmed that we’ll always defend our sovereignty together.”

The North American Aerospace Defense Command said earlier Saturday it was monitoring “a high altitude airborne object” over northern Canada, and military aircraft were operating in the area from Alaska and Canada, according to a news release from the agency.

It is not clear what the object is or whether it is related to the spy balloon shot down last week or the unidentified object shot down over Alaska on Friday.

Global News reported on NORAD’s detection of the object earlier Saturday.

On Friday, the US military shot down a “high-altitude object” over Alaska after US officials determined that it posed a “reasonable threat to civilian air traffic” as it was flying at 40,000 feet. The object was brought down by fighter aircraft assigned to US Northern Command, and Biden referred to the operation as a “success.” Recovery teams are now attempting to retrieve the debris that is sitting on top of ice in US territorial waters.

While officials have given no indication so far that the object shot down over Alaska is at all related to the Chinese spy balloon, details have been scarce.

A week earlier, US military fighter jets shot down the suspected Chinese surveillance balloon over the Atlantic Ocean, ending a remarkable public drama that prompted a diplomatic fallout between Washington and Beijing as the American public tracked the balloon from Montana all the way to the Carolinas.

The Biden administration has been subjected to a slew of questions this week about the timing of the president’s decision to shoot the spy balloon.

The balloon was spotted after entering the US Air Defense Identification Zone over Alaska on January 28 before flying over Canada, a Department of Defense official told lawmakers last week. It then reentered continental US airspace three days later.

Officials said that the risk of intelligence collection against the US was low, while the risk to people and property on the ground, if the balloon were to be shot down over the US, was high given the balloon’s size and weight.

Instead, the military ultimately shot it down over water after it crossed over the East Coast of the US.

The second object was first spotted on Thursday, officials said, and F-35 fighter jets were sent up to examine the object further. The object was flying at 40,000 feet, which posed a “reasonable threat to the safety of civilian flight,” John Kirby, the National Security Council coordinator for strategic communications, said on Friday.

Biden was first briefed on this object on Thursday evening, Kirby said.

A statement Saturday from US Northern Command said search and recovery operations for the object shot down over Alaska were ongoing.

“Recovery activities are occurring on sea ice,” the statement said. “We have no further details at this time about the object, including its capabilities, purpose, or origin.”
 
Side bar but why couldn't Canada shoot it down on its own? It's quite infuriating to see US involvement here and in general whenever Canada is discussed in geopolitics it's invariably linked to US or in context of US.
 
Side bar but why couldn't Canada shoot it down on its own? It's quite infuriating to see US involvement here and in general whenever Canada is discussed in geopolitics it's invariably linked to US or in context of US.

What do you think this one is? This one doesn't seem Chinese. I doubt Chinese would send in another one after the first one was shot down.

If not Russia or China, then who?
 
who is saying its not Chinese??

This current one has not been proven to be Chinese. Check: https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/11/politics/norad-additional-object-northern-canada/index.html

“Recovery activities are occurring on sea ice,” the statement said. “We have no further details at this time about the object, including its capabilities, purpose, or origin.”

Another link: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us...a-ufo-new-object-seen-over-canada-2023-02-11/.
 
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An unidentified object was shot down 10 miles off the frozen coast of Alaska on Friday afternoon, US officials announced, but details about the object are scarce.

US military pilots sent up to examine the object gave conflicting accounts of what they saw, which is part of the reason why the Pentagon has been cautious in describing what the object actually is, according to a source briefed on the intelligence.

The incident marked the second time that US jets had taken down an object in less than a week, following the shooting down of a suspected Chinese spy balloon off the coast of South Carolina last week.

On Saturday, the North American Aerospace Defense Command said it was monitoring “a high altitude airborne object” over northern Canada, and military aircraft are currently operating in the area from Alaska and Canada, according to a news release from the agency.

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announced shortly after that he ordered the downing of the object.

It’s currently not clear what this object is or whether it has any relation to the Chinese spy balloon or the object shot down over Alaska.

Trudeau said he spoke with President Joe Biden on Saturday and that Canadian forces will lead the object recovery operation.

The object taken down Friday, which officials have not characterized as a balloon, was shot down at 1:45 p.m. EST, according to Pentagon spokesman Brig. Gen. Patrick Ryder, who said recovery teams are now collecting the debris that is sitting on top of ice in US territorial waters.

The object “came inside our territorial waters – and those waters right now are frozen – but inside territorial airspace and over territorial waters,” National Security Council coordinator for strategic communications John Kirby told reporters on Friday. “Fighter aircraft assigned to US Northern Command took down the object within last hour.”

Asked about the operation on Friday afternoon, Biden told CNN, “It was a success.”

Here’s a look at what we know so far about the object shot down on Friday.

F-35 fighter jets were sent up to investigate after the object was first detected on Thursday, according to a US official. Kirby told reporters that the first fly-by of US fighter aircraft happened Thursday night, and the second happened Friday morning. Both brought back “limited” information about the object.

But the pilots later gave differing reports of what they observed, the source briefed on the intelligence said.

Some pilots said the object “interfered with their sensors” on the planes, but not all pilots reported experiencing that.

Some pilots also claimed to have seen no identifiable propulsion on the object, and could not explain how it was staying in the air, despite the object cruising at an altitude of 40,000 feet.

The conflicting eyewitness accounts are partly why the Pentagon has been unable to fully explain what the object is, the source briefed on the matter said.

In a statement Saturday, US Northern Command said the command has no new information to share about the object’s “capabilities, purpose or origin,” but noted that recovery efforts are being affected by Arctic weather conditions, “including wind chill, snow and limited daylight.”

Link: https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/11/politics/unidentified-object-alaska-military-latest/index.html.

I wonder what this is. Doesn't seem Chinese.
 
What do you think this one is? This one doesn't seem Chinese. I doubt Chinese would send in another one after the first one was shot down.

If not Russia or China, then who?

Who knows. These unidentified objects are very common and because of that balloon from a week ago they are all of a sudden vigilant. Could be a domestic weather balloon for all we know.
 
A US fighter jet shot down an unidentified object over Canada on Saturday -- in a joint operation by the North American neighbors and the second such take-down in their skies since the dramatic downing of a suspected Chinese spy balloon a week ago.
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said he ordered the takedown of the object, the latest of a series of mysterious air intrusions.

"Canadian and US aircraft were scrambled, and a US F-22 successfully fired at the object," Trudeau tweeted Saturday.

NDTV
 
3 suspicious objects have been downed across North America this week. Officials have no idea where 2 of the UAP came from and the pilots who shot them down can't agree on what they even look like.

A week after shooting down a suspected Chinese spy balloon that floated over the country, F-22 jets shot down an unidentified object threatening flights over Alaska on Friday. Reports offer conflicting details about the object's capabilities and origins, and US intelligence officials have released limited information about its design or intended purpose.

Recently, Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena have been observed not just over the United States, but floating above Canada, Colombia, and Costa Rica.

It's been an extraordinary week for UAPs in North America
In addition to the first surveillance balloon seen over the country beginning January 31, a second balloon was spotted floating over Latin America on February 4, while another unidentified object was shot down over Canada on Saturday.

Airspace over Montana was also briefly restricted on Saturday after reports of radar anomalies in the region, the North American Aerospace Defense Command said in a statement posted to Twitter, but after an investigation, no additional object was found.

US officials say China has a global operation of surveillance balloons collecting data on military bases, including the balloon downed last week, but the object shot down Friday has not been confirmed to be linked to Chinese officials — or anyone else.

Here is what we know about the object shot down on Friday.

The object over Alaska was at an altitude that conflicted with commercial flights
"I can confirm that the Department of Defense was tracking a high-altitude object over Alaska airspace in the last 24 hours," White House National Security Council spokesperson John Kirby told reporters at a Friday briefing. "The object was flying at an altitude of 40,000 feet and posed a reasonable threat to the safety of civilian flight."

The balloon seen floating above the country last week hovered at around 60,000 feet, according to the Pentagon — which is well out of the general cruising altitude of commercial aircraft, which normally operate between 33,000 and 42,000 feet.

We don't know the origin of objects shot down on Friday or Saturday
Kirby said officials first became aware of the item on Thursday night, but even after shooting it down could not confirm its origin, saying: "We do not know who owns it, whether it's state-owned or corporate-owned or privately owned. We just don't know."

"If it was another Chinese spy balloon, that indicates that China is either incompetent in operating these platforms or potentially deliberately provoking the US," Michael P. Mulroy, a former Pentagon official, told The New York Times. "It is also important for the US and China to maintain direct communications during times like this. Especially between the militaries."

Officials confirmed the origin of last week's Chinese surveillance balloon two days after it was first sighted. Chinese officials have acknowledged the first balloon came from their country, but maintain it was a civilian airship used mainly for "meteorological research."

China has not made any claims regarding the objects shot down in Canada and Alaska.

"We're calling this an object because that's the best description we have right now," Kirby said.

There may be surviving evidence in the debris
Officials are working to recover the debris from the unknown object shot down on Friday, which landed on frozen water off the Alaskan coast near the Canadian border. CBS News reported the object was downed near Prudhoe Bay.

The object shot down on Saturday was spotted in the Northern Canadian territory of Yukon. Reuters reported Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said Canadian officials would recover and analyze the debris.

The Yukon high-altitude object was described by Canadian Defence Minister Anita Anand as cylindrical in shape, Reuters reported, though no other details have yet been released. It is unclear if the object shot down off the Alaskan coast was of similar size or shape.

The debris field in the Atlantic Ocean after the first balloon was shot down measured "15 football fields by 15 football fields," with a depth of around 50 feet, General Glen VanHerck, commander of NORAD and US Northern Command, told reporters on Monday. He added that the balloon was about 200 feet tall with a payload the size of a "jet airliner" and estimated it weighed a few thousand pounds.

Conflicting reports from pilots
Prior to shooting down the object, Kirby told reporters, the pilots of the F-22 jets that took it down circled it and determined it was unmanned and lacked the ability to maneuver midair and change its speed like previous balloons have been seen doing.

He did not share additional details about the object.

While official government sources are quiet on the object, others are sharing reports from the pilots who tracked it.

"Some of the F-22 Pilots who Tracked the Aircraft that was downed over Alaska yesterday said that it 'Interfered with their Sensors' and that 'They could see No Propulsion Systems on the Aircraft not knowing how it could possibly be staying in the Air,'" according to the public military and intelligence scanner, Open Source Intelligence Monitor.

Some of the pilots, OSIM reported, did not experience interference with their systems and could not agree on a description of the object.

Open Source Intelligence Monitor did not immediately respond to Insider's request for comment.

CNN reported an anonymous source with knowledge of the briefing said the pilots shared conflicting observations about the object, including that it had interfered with their systems and that they could not explain how it stayed in the air.

Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena are showing up in more places than the sky
In December, the Department of Defense established the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office to identify "unidentified anomalous phenomena" — in space, in the air, on land, or in the sea — that may threaten national security. The term UAP replaces the traditional "unidentified flying object" or UFO designation, as officials expect to evaluate anomalies "across all domains."

While it is unclear if unknown terrestrial objects have been seen recently, former Navy pilots David Fravor and Alex Dietrich told CBS News in 2021 about an encounter with an unknown object while conducting pre-deployment training in 2004.

The pair described flying their aircraft over the ocean, and seeing an area of roiling whitewater on the surface below. Just above the whitewater was a "white Tic Tac looking" object with "no predictable trajectory."

"It was unidentified," Dietrich said. "And that's why it was so unsettling to us. Because we weren't expecting it. We couldn't classify it."

Footage released by the Pentagon in 2020 also revealed unknown objects speeding across the ocean surface that had been spotted by Navy pilots.

"Dude, this is a f--king drone, bro," CBS News reported one of the pilots exclaims in the video. Another person says "there's a whole fleet of them."

"They're all going against the wind," the first pilot said. "The wind's 120 knots to the west. Look at that thing, dude! It's rotating!"

A 2021 report from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, said "in 18 incidents, described in 21 reports, observers reported unusual UAP movement patterns or flight characteristics. Some UAP appeared to remain stationary in winds aloft, move against the wind, maneuver abruptly, or move at considerable speed, without discernable means of propulsion. In a small number of cases, military aircraft systems processed radio frequency (RF) energy associated with UAP sightings."

The 2022 report noted that, among the 171 uncharacterized incidents, "some of these uncharacterized UAP appear to have demonstrated unusual flight characteristics or performance capabilities, and require further analysis."

Representatives for the Pentagon and US Northern Command did not immediately respond to Insider's request for comment.

Officials have acknowledged surveillance balloons have been seen floating in US airspace several times over the last few years, though they have not always been immediately identified — three devices spotted during the Trump administration were initially classified as UFOs.

Reference: https://www.businessinsider.com/obj...aska-canada-ufo-interfered-f22-sensors-2023-2.

3 unidentified objects have been shot down. These were not proven to be Russian or Chinese. So, what are these things?

Quite spooky.
 
The airspace over Lake Michigan has been temporarily restricted due to national defence reasons, according to a U.S. Federal Aviation Administration notice on Sunday.

The notice said the airspace was being restricted for "national defense" reasons. There was no immediate comment from the Pentagon or the FAA.

The closure of the airspace follows the shoot-down by U.S. aircraft of a Chinese spy balloon and two unidentified flying objects.

NDTV
 
The airspace over Lake Michigan has been temporarily restricted due to national defence reasons, according to a U.S. Federal Aviation Administration notice on Sunday.

The notice said the airspace was being restricted for "national defense" reasons. There was no immediate comment from the Pentagon or the FAA.

The closure of the airspace follows the shoot-down by U.S. aircraft of a Chinese spy balloon and two unidentified flying objects.

NDTV

Wow! What's going on? Too many crafts have been shot down recently.

This one also doesn't seem Chinese-related. I checked on Google.

If not Russia or China, what is it? Another entity? American false flag?
 
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Who knows. These unidentified objects are very common and because of that balloon from a week ago they are all of a sudden vigilant. Could be a domestic weather balloon for all we know.

Yet another object has been shot down today (Sunday). This was octagonal in shape.

'Octagonal' object shot down by military aircraft over Lake Huron, officials confirm to ABC News

Another high-altitude object was shot down Sunday, this time over Lake Huron, three U.S. officials confirmed to ABC News. According to one of the officials, the object was shot down by a U.S. military aircraft.

This is a developing story and will be updated

At 2:45 p.m., a U.S. Air Force F-16 fired a sidewinder missile at the objects, the Pentagon said in a statement Sunday.

"Its path and altitude raised concerns, including that it could be a hazard to civil aviation. The location chosen for this shoot down afforded us the opportunity to avoid impact to people on the ground while improving chances for debris recovery. There are no indications of any civilians hurt or otherwise affected," North American Aerospace Defense Command said in a statement.

A senior administration official told ABC News that President Biden directed Sunday's object be shot down "out of an abundance of caution and at the recommendation of military leaders."

Per the official, the object shot down over Lake Huron was detected on radar over Montana Saturday.

"Based on its flight path and data we can reasonably connect this object to the radar signal picked up over Montana, which flew in proximity to sensitive DOD sites," the Pentagon also confirmed.

NORTHCOM/NORAD detected a radar contact in Montana Saturday and sent fighter aircraft to investigate. Those aircraft did not identify any objects to correlate to the radar hits, which led NORTHCOM/NORAD to believe it could be an anomaly and continued to monitor the situation, the senior administration official said.

Then Sunday, NORTHCOM/NORAD re-acquired the radar contact and detected an "unmanned object" from Montant over Wisconsin and Michigan, the official added. The detected unmanned object was over Michigan's upper peninsula at approx. 20K feet and about to go over Lake Huron.

The Lake Huron object was an octagonal structure with strings hanging off but no discernable payload. The official also said that there is no indication of surveillance capabilities but they cannot rule it out.

Officials are now working to recover the object to learn more.

Airspace over parts of Lake Michigan were also under temporary flight restrictions for national defense reasons earlier Sunday, according to a Federal Aviation Administration notice.

The notice said the FAA temporarily declared parts of the area as "national defense airspace." The North American Aerospace Defense Command said restrictions were implemented at about 11 a.m.

"The FAA briefly closed some airspace over Lake Michigan to support Department of Defense activities. The airspace has been reopened," the FAA said in a statement just before 1 p.m.

"With the cooperation of the Federal Aviation Administration, North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) implemented a temporary flight restriction airspace over Lake Michigan at approximately 12 p.m. EST on Feb. 12, 2023, to ensure the safety of air traffic in the area during NORAD operations. The temporary flight restriction has since been lifted," NORAD said in a Tweet.

NORAD did not immediately reply to questions on the nature of those operations.

The operation marks the third day in a row that an unidentified object was shot down over North American airspace. An unidentified object was shot down over northern Canada on Saturday. On Friday, an unidentified object was shot down in Alaska airspace by a US F-22.

There was also a temporary flight restriction put in place Saturday night over Montana, according to NORAD. The temporary restriction was issued after NORAD detected a "radar anomaly." Aircraft were sent to investigate the incident but didn't see anything.

It also follows last weekend when a suspected Chinese surveillance balloon was taken down by F-22s off the coast of South Carolina.

Michigan Congresswoman Elissa Slotkin tweeted Sunday that she received a call from the Department of Defense, saying "Our military has an extremely close eye on the object above Lake Huron."

Around 3 p.m., she tweeted again saying the object had been downed by pilots from the U.S. Air Force and National Guard.

"Great work by all who carried out this mission both in the air and back at headquarters. We're all interested in exactly what this object was and it's purpose," Slotkin wrote.

Republican Rep. Jack Bergman of Michigan also confirmed the operation Sunday, tweeting, "The US military has decommissioned another 'object' over Lake Huron."

"I appreciate the decisive action by our fighter pilots," he said.

Reference: https://abc7news.com/lake-michigan-...rspace-closed-department-of-defense/12804806/.
 
Ruling out aliens? Senior US general says not ruling out anything yet
'We're calling them objects, not balloons, for a reason,' says VanHerck

The U.S. Air Force general overseeing North American airspace said on Sunday after a series of shoot-downs of unidentified objects that he would not rule out aliens or any other explanation yet, deferring to U.S. intelligence experts.

Asked whether he had ruled out an extraterrestrial origin for three airborne objects shot down by U.S. warplanes in as many days, General Glen VanHerck said: "I'll let the intel community and the counterintelligence community figure that out. I haven't ruled out anything."

"At this point we continue to assess every threat or potential threat, unknown, that approaches North America with an attempt to identify it," said VanHerck, head of U.S. North American Aerospace Defense Command and Northern Command.

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https://www.reuters.com/world/us/ru...-says-not-ruling-out-anything-yet-2023-02-13/
 
US military officials say they are unsure how three unidentified flying objects shot out of the skies of North America had been able to stay aloft.

President Joe Biden ordered another object - the fourth in total this month - to be downed on Sunday.

As it was traveling at 20,000ft (6,100m), it could have interfered with commercial air traffic, the US said.

A military commander said it could be a "gaseous type of balloon" or "some type of a propulsion system".

He added he could not rule out that the objects were extra-terrestrials.

The latest object - shot down near the Canadian border - has been described by defence officials as an unmanned "octagonal structure" with strings attached to it.

It was downed by a missile fired from an F-16 fighter jet at 14:42 local time (19:42 GMT).

The incident raises further questions about the spate of high-altitude objects that have been shot down over North America this month.

US Northern Command Commander General Glen VanHerck said that there was no indication of any threat.

"I'm not going to categorize them as balloons. We're calling them objects for a reason," he said.

"What we are seeing is very, very small objects that produce a very, very low radar cross-section," he added.

Speculation as to what the objects may be has intensified in recent days.

"I will let the intel community and the counterintelligence community figure that out," Gen VanHerck said when asked if it was possible the objects are aliens or extra-terrestrials.

"I haven't ruled out anything at this point."

A suspected Chinese spy balloon was downed off the coast of South Carolina on 4 February after hovering for days over the US. Officials said it originated in China and had been used to monitor sensitive sites.

China denied the object was used for spying and said it was a weather monitoring device that had blown astray. The incident - and the angry exchanges in its aftermath - ratcheted up tensions between Washington and Beijing.

But on Sunday, a defence official said the US had communicated with Beijing about the first object after receiving no response for several days. It was not immediately clear what was discussed.

Since that first incident, American fighter jets have shot down three further high-altitude objects in as many days.

President Biden ordered an object to be shot down over northern Alaska on Friday, and on Saturday a similar object was shot down over the Yukon in north-western Canada.

Both the US and Canada are still working to recover the remnants, but the search in Alaska has been hampered by Arctic conditions.

"These objects did not closely resemble, and were much smaller than, the [4 February] balloon and we will not definitively characterise them until we can recover the debris," a White House National Security spokesperson said.

BBC
 
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Unidentified objects shot down: Aliens not ruled out, general says

(FOX 2) - As officials work to identify three objects shot down by the military recently, speculations about what they are have arisen.

An object shot down over Lake Huron near Michigan's Upper Peninsula on Sunday is the fourth object shot down by U.S. fighter jets in eight days, along with ones over Alaska and Canada and a suspected Chinese spy balloon.

When asked if the objects could be aliens or something else extraterrestrial-related, Gen. Glen D. VanHerck, the commander of the United States Northern Command and North American Aerospace Defense Command, didn't have the answer.

"I haven’t ruled out anything," he said.

Officials are still working to recover the object from Lake Huron.

VanHerck said he doesn't know if the unidentified objects were balloons, and he isn't categorizing them as balloons until they can be studied.

"What we’re seeing is very, very small objects that produce a very, very small radar cross-section," he said.

The object shot down Sunday was moving at about the speed of the wind. While officials don't believe it posed a kinetic threat to the military, it was traveling at an altitude that could have been dangerous for civilian aircraft.

Reference: https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/unidentified-objects-shot-down-aliens-not-ruled-out-general-says.

There is a conspiracy theory that they may stage a fake alien invasion. It is called "Project Blue Beam". Look it up.

Here's the theory: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Project_Blue_Beam.
 
China saying their balloon was watching the weather:viru Yes the aliens are here no doubt about it. Soon they will be the dominant species off this planet and why not seeing how human beings have abused the earth. I think Allah is checking out humanity then replacing it with a more intelligent being.
 
China saying their balloon was watching the weather:viru Yes the aliens are here no doubt about it. Soon they will be the dominant species off this planet and why not seeing how human beings have abused the earth. I think Allah is checking out humanity then replacing it with a more intelligent being.

I have 2 theories:

1) These so-called aliens (if they are really true) are Jinns or spirit beings.

2) This is some sort of false flag operation. Look up "Project Blue Beam".
 
Ruling out aliens? Senior US general says not ruling out anything yet
'We're calling them objects, not balloons, for a reason,' says VanHerck

The U.S. Air Force general overseeing North American airspace said on Sunday after a series of shoot-downs of unidentified objects that he would not rule out aliens or any other explanation yet, deferring to U.S. intelligence experts.

Asked whether he had ruled out an extraterrestrial origin for three airborne objects shot down by U.S. warplanes in as many days, General Glen VanHerck said: "I'll let the intel community and the counterintelligence community figure that out. I haven't ruled out anything."

"At this point we continue to assess every threat or potential threat, unknown, that approaches North America with an attempt to identify it," said VanHerck, head of U.S. North American Aerospace Defense Command and Northern Command.

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https://www.reuters.com/world/us/ru...-says-not-ruling-out-anything-yet-2023-02-13/

Not ruling out Aliens. :)))

Americans have become a laughing stock around the world.

Do these people have a brain? If Aliens have tech to reach Earth, they will also be so advanced they wont be shot down by Earthly missiles.

My view is much of these are their own crafts but due to their new Anti-China propaganda they are scaring their people again.

It could also be the list of Epsteins peado mates who travelled to the island are being made public, diversion tactic.
 
I have 2 theories:

1) These so-called aliens (if they are really true) are Jinns or spirit beings.

2) This is some sort of false flag operation. Look up "Project Blue Beam".

More like never seen before animal's will be these alien beings from another planet. I am thinking "ET" or "Independence Day" type creatures.

You know certain hidden powers want an America-China war and WW3 to further their own agenda. They behind the scenes are in charge of the world.
 
More like never seen before animal's will be these alien beings from another planet. I am thinking "ET" or "Independence Day" type creatures.

You know certain hidden powers want an America-China war and WW3 to further their own agenda. They behind the scenes are in charge of the world.

what hidden powers?
what is the agenda ?
what do they gain?
 
what hidden powers?
what is the agenda ?
what do they gain?

World domination through power. Money by selling weapons to every country. Complete control over people by making us take vaccines in the name of trying to save us followed by the complete lock up of the world. Reduce to population of the world through fake pandemics then make humanity their slaves.
 
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World domination through power. Money by selling weapons to every country. Complete control over people by making us take vaccines in the name of trying to save us followed by the complete lock up of the world. Reduce to population of the world through fake pandemics then make humanity their slaves.

Who are the certain powers who want china and usa to fight? I agree with that the weapons lobby is very strong in the USA. Do you think it's the American Weapons lobby? Or is there someone else also? If so who? What is gained by a lockdown? Who benefits? Please also go in a bit more detail how is humanity made sales? Who benefits?
 
Who are the certain powers who want china and usa to fight? I agree with that the weapons lobby is very strong in the USA. Do you think it's the American Weapons lobby? Or is there someone else also? If so who? What is gained by a lockdown? Who benefits? Please also go in a bit more detail how is humanity made sales? Who benefits?

The Illuminati, free masons and Zionists. The billionaires and wealthy made a killing during the pandemic, https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/oct/05/richest-americans-became-richer-during-pandemic and https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/...ring-covid-pandemic-inequality-grows-n1255506. Bill Gates of all people is telling the world of future pandemics.
 
The sensors from a suspected Chinese spy balloon shot down after crossing the US have been recovered from the Atlantic Ocean, the US military says.

Search crews found "significant debris from the site, including all of the priority sensor and electronics pieces identified", said US Northern Command.

The FBI is examining the items, which the US says were used to spy on sensitive military sites.

The US has shot down three more objects since the first one on 4 February.

"Large sections of the structure" were also recovered on Monday off the coast of South Carolina, military officials say.

About 30-40ft (9-12m) of the balloon's antenna array are among the items found, according to CBS, the BBC's US partner.

US officials said the high-altitude balloon originated in China and was used for surveillance, but China said it was merely a weather-monitoring airship that had blown astray.
 
The Illuminati, free masons and Zionists. The billionaires and wealthy made a killing during the pandemic, https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/oct/05/richest-americans-became-richer-during-pandemic and https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/...ring-covid-pandemic-inequality-grows-n1255506. Bill Gates of all people is telling the world of future pandemics.

There are certainly disaster capitalists, but I would avoid conspiracy theory.

Gates is actually getting less wealthy, by giving his fortune away to charity. His philanthropy is making a big impact on the incidence of malaria.
 
There are certainly disaster capitalists, but I would avoid conspiracy theory.

Gates is actually getting less wealthy, by giving his fortune away to charity. His philanthropy is making a big impact on the incidence of malaria.

Just because the BBC and CNN don't mention it doesn't make it a conspiracy theory. Yes first create the disease like Covid then say we are looking for a cure. Bill Gates has been telling the world about future diseases even though he is not at all medically qualified. To someone like him losing a few million to control the world is a good deal.
 
Just because the BBC and CNN don't mention it doesn't make it a conspiracy theory. Yes first create the disease like Covid then say we are looking for a cure. Bill Gates has been telling the world about future diseases even though he is not at all medically qualified. To someone like him losing a few million to control the world is a good deal.

BBC and CNN won't propagate fake news, because they have standards of journalism.

Apply cocq-up theory instead, it's simpler and more often right. Bad things happen because not so often because bad people control everything, but more often because good people make mistakes.

We know COVID appeared in a Chinese lab. Why would the Chinese unleash a killer disease on themselves, except by accident? There was an accident and it got out of the lab.

COVID is still killing hundreds of Britons per week but this is far down on the 2000 per days at the height of the pandemic, due to the vaccine rollout.

Gates, to me, is a hero of humanity, massively reducing mortality from malaria.
 
BBC and CNN won't propagate fake news, because they have standards of journalism.

Apply cocq-up theory instead, it's simpler and more often right. Bad things happen because not so often because bad people control everything, but more often because good people make mistakes.

We know COVID appeared in a Chinese lab. Why would the Chinese unleash a killer disease on themselves, except by accident? There was an accident and it got out of the lab.

COVID is still killing hundreds of Britons per week but this is far down on the 2000 per days at the height of the pandemic, due to the vaccine rollout.

Gates, to me, is a hero of humanity, massively reducing mortality from malaria.

Standards like telling the world of the WMD Iraq had and encouraging war?. Well the theory is that the American's planted the virus in China and no they are not good people at all. Good people don't arm every country on the planet then preach peace to them.

Thing is that after Covid every death is being blamed on it. If you ask a few doctor's they will tell you how under pressure they have been to mention Covid in death certificates even if it had nothing to do with it.

Bill may have done some good things but ultimately he is a psycho and appears like one as well. Even the good work they do have a hidden agenda.
 
Radical liberal --> "BBC and CNN won't propagate fake news, because they have standards of journalism."

I had to laugh for real. Maybe someone forgot how these news agencies lied about WMDs in Iraq.
 
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Standards like telling the world of the WMD Iraq had and encouraging war?. Well the theory is that the American's planted the virus in China and no they are not good people at all. Good people don't arm every country on the planet then preach peace to them.

The BBC simply reported what HM Gov said about Iraq.

Theories are supported by evidence, so please present evidence that Americans planted COVID in China. Else it’s nonsense.


Thing is that after Covid every death is being blamed on it. If you ask a few doctor's they will tell you how under pressure they have been to mention Covid in death certificates even if it had nothing to do with it.

I don’t believe that. How many Doctors did you ask? Evidence, or it’s nonsense.
Bill may have done some good things but ultimately he is a psycho and appears like one as well. Even the good work they do have a hidden agenda.

Evidence, or it’s nonsense.
 
When America spies on other countries, it is good. If China does it, it is bad.

Some radical liberals don't seem to have a problem with this double standard. Also, to them, BBC and CNN are gold standards.
 
The BBC simply reported what HM Gov said about Iraq.

Theories are supported by evidence, so please present evidence that Americans planted COVID in China. Else it’s nonsense.




I don’t believe that. How many Doctors did you ask? Evidence, or it’s nonsense.

Evidence, or it’s nonsense.

The government clearly lied about Iraq that the BBC without any independent investigation was happy to buy. This is because the Zionist controlled BBC is an extension of American foreign policy. Rather on Covid why should we buy the common view just because are spoon fed that? When they lied about Iraq then can do so on other issues too.

I have seen and read many reports on Covid. There are many doctor's in my family who agree that the whole Covid thing is a farce. Not saying there is no disease like Covid but it has been greatly exaggerated by the media.

The evidence to such news are independent websites like https://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/. Now you will cal them conspiracy websites so we are going around in circles.
 
What we know about Pentagon efforts to study UFOs and 'unidentified aerial phenomena'

As the search continues for three mysterious objects shot down over Canada and the U.S., the White House says it will be engaging its allies on the subject of "unidentified aerial phenomena."

"These unidentified aerial phenomena have been reported for many years, without explanation or deep examination by the government," White House national security council spokesman John Kirby told reporters on Monday. "President Biden has changed all that. We are finally trying to understand them better."

Unidentified aerial phenomena, or UAP for short, is a term used in official circles for what are more commonly known as unidentified flying objects, or UFOs. Kirby described it as "an issue that affects everybody around the world."

"Secondly, we are consulting with allies and partners on the challenge of unidentified aerial phenomenon and how we can all work together to deal with that challenge," Kirby explained. "The president has directed the Secretary of State, the Secretary of Defense, and the Director of National Intelligence to engage with their relevant counterparts to share information and to try to gain their perspectives as well."

CTVNews.ca reached out to relevant Canadian departments like Global Affairs, National Defence and Public Safety to learn more, but did not receive responses.

WHAT IS THE U.S. DOING ABOUT UNIDENTIFIED AERIAL PHENOMENA?
While Canadian and American officials both looked into UFOs during the Cold War, little was known about subsequent programs until a December 2017 investigation by The New York Times revealed that the Pentagon had been quietly studying the national security implications of UAP since 2007. Amid renewed public and political interest, in 2020 the Pentagon publicly announced the creation of the UAP Task Force. That group has now been replaced by what's known as the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office, which was established thanks to a bipartisan effort in the U.S. Senate.

"UAPs pose a significant challenge to our national security, appearing in sensitive U.S. airspace and around military personnel," U.S. Senators Marco Rubio and Kirsten Gillibrand, a Republican and a Democrat, said in a joint December 2021 statement.

A headline-grabbing June 2021 report from U.S. intelligence officials described recent U.S. military sightings, including UAP that appeared to "manoeuver abruptly, or move at considerable speed, without discernable means of propulsion." In an updated report from Jan. 12, 2023, U.S. officials said 171 out of 510 reports remained "uncharacterized and unattributed," and that some of them involved UAP that appeared "to have demonstrated unusual flight characteristics or performance capabilities, and require further analysis."

"We apply the highest analytic and scientific standards," Sean M. Kirkpatrick, the Pentagon program's current director, said during a December 2022 media roundtable. "We execute our mission objectively and without sensationalism and we do not rush to conclusions."

NASA has also announced its own UAP study program, which started work in October 2022.

"Understanding the data we have surrounding unidentified anomalous phenomena is critical to helping us draw scientific conclusions about what is happening in our skies," Thomas Zurbuchen, associate administrator of the Science Mission Directorate at NASA Headquarters in Washington, said in a statement. "Data is the language of scientists and makes the unexplainable, explainable."

The issue has taken on a new urgency following the February 2023 downing of three unidentified objects and a suspected Chinese spy balloon in North American airspace.

"The president also instructed the Intelligence Community to take a broad look at the phenomenon of unidentified aerial objects," Kirby, the White House national security spokesman, said on Monday. "Indeed, President Biden conducted the first-ever Daily Intelligence Briefing session devoted to this phenomenon back in June of 2021. He was briefed that this is not just an issue for the United States but one for the rest of the world. And as I said, our friends and our partners are dealing with this as well."

IS CANADA INVESTIGATING UNIDENTIFIED AERIAL PHENOMENA?
This wouldn't be the first time U.S. officials reached out to their Canadian counterparts about UAP, an acronym that's also used for the term "unidentified anomalous phenomena."

CTVNews.ca previously reported that members of the Pentagon's UAP Task Force briefed Canadian military personnel nearly a year ago, on Feb. 22, 2022. Former Canadian defence minister Harjit Sajjan also received a UAP briefing from Canadian military officials in May 2021, and Transport Minister Omar Alghabra's staff held their own internal UAP briefing in May 2022.

Declassified documents and public records reveal decades of reports of unidentified objects and lights over Canada from police officers, soldiers, air traffic controllers and pilots on medical, military, cargo and passenger flights operated by WestJet, Air Canada Express, Porter Airlines, Delta and more. In 2022 alone, CTVNews.ca discovered 11 reports like these from pilots flying for airlines such as Air Canada, WestJet, Virgin Atlantic, United and KLM. The most recent report comes from Feb. 7, 2023, when a cargo flight from Miami to Amsterdam "observed unusual lights, moving erratically 40000ft to 50000ft" while flying near Nova Scotia.

Transport Canada, which operates the online aviation incident database where many of these reports are found, cautions that they contain "preliminary, unconfirmed data which can be subject to change."

A spokesperson from Transport Canada previously told CTVNews.ca that UAP reports "have no potential for regulatory enforcement and often fall outside the department’s mandate."

"Reports of unidentified objects can rarely be followed up on as they are as the title implies, unidentified," they said.

For its part, the Canadian military routinely states that it does "not typically investigate sightings of unknown or unexplained phenomena outside the context of investigating credible threats, potential threats, or potential distress in the case of search and rescue." Before the recent downing of the three unidentified objects this month, at least four cases appear to have met that criteria since 2016.

Conservative defence critic James Bezan believes Canadian officials ought to be paying more attention to this enigmatic issue.

"The Canadian government needs to implement a scientific plan to identify the origins and intent of UAP," Bezan previously told CTVNews.ca. "Conservatives believe the best way to start that process is for government to adopt a streamlined, whole-of-government approach to standardize the collection of reports across numerous departments and contractors… All efforts undertaken to investigate UAP should be made public in a responsible manner."

DOES THIS MEAN THE PENTAGON IS STUDYING ALIENS?
U.S. officials regularly state there is no evidence that UAP represent extraterrestrial technology.

"We have detected no emanations within the UAP Task Force that would suggest it's anything non-terrestrial in origin," Scott Bray, the deputy director of U.S. naval intelligence, said in May 2022, during the first congressional hearing on UFOs in more than 50 years.

In Monday's briefing, Kirby also shot down theories that the three downed objects could have otherworldly origins.

"I don’t think the American people need to worry about aliens, with respect to these craft. Period," Kirby, a retired U.S. Navy rear admiral, said. "I don’t think there’s any more that needs to be said there."

In a Tuesday update, Kirby said a "leading explanation" is that three objects "could just be balloons tied to some commercial or benign purpose."

Officials and experts agree that there are likely many explanations for UAP sightings, including drones, lasers, balloons, satellites, meteors, floating lanterns, weather phenomena, advanced military technology and more.

"I'm a firm believer that these UAPs are not from another planet and another universe," Iain Boyd, professor of aerospace engineering and director of the Center for National Security Initiatives at the University of Colorado, told CTVNews.ca. "I think that there's no one explanation, though, for all these different UAP events, but one of the most likely ones is going to be some kind of experimental vehicles or surveillance vehicles."

Robert Powell is a Texas-based engineer and founding board member of the Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies, which is an international thinktank dedicated to applying scientific principals to UAP research. The group appears more open to possibilities.

"I'm sure a small percentage of UAP reports may be related to foreign surveillance, just as a small percentage are truly anomalous and unexplainable," Powell told CTVNews.ca. "The vast majority of reports should have an explanation."

Reference: https://www.ctvnews.ca/sci-tech/wha...s-and-unidentified-aerial-phenomena-1.6273784.

Looks like they still do not know the origins of those objects they shot down. These are not Chinese or Russian.

Quite spooky.
 
Not ruling out Aliens. :)))

Americans have become a laughing stock around the world.

Do these people have a brain? If Aliens have tech to reach Earth, they will also be so advanced they wont be shot down by Earthly missiles.

My view is much of these are their own crafts but due to their new Anti-China propaganda they are scaring their people again.

It could also be the list of Epsteins peado mates who travelled to the island are being made public, diversion tactic.
Could be unmanned probes sent from a distant planet.
 
Just because the BBC and CNN don't mention it doesn't make it a conspiracy theory. Yes first create the disease like Covid then say we are looking for a cure. Bill Gates has been telling the world about future diseases even though he is not at all medically qualified. To someone like him losing a few million to control the world is a good deal.

But you don't need medical qualification to know there will be future pandemics. It is a fairly easy assumption to make given what has happened throughout our history. Not to mention he is working with/listens to some of the best epidemiologists on the planet and then decides what to do. He is not making this up all by himself, it's backed peer reviewed science, over hundreds of years.

With climate change and the world becoming more and more connected, the potential for any novel viral infection to spread is huge, much more so than in the past. The good news is that we have the science and the technology to fight the most of such instances as was the case with COVID. We just need to get our priorities right, so that we prepared for the next time.

That is what Gates is saying and trying help to minimize. We don't have to pay the huge cost in terms of lives and time lost not only in case of global pandemics (again we saw how during COVID) but also to things like malaria, dengue which don't get that much attention but nevertheless their impact is huge on nations and populations they ravage each year.
 
Could be unmanned probes sent from a distant planet.

If they passed by Earth, maybe, but they are inside our atmosphere. That should rule out them being extrasolar objects. They are also too large and nonfunctional for alien probes.
 
But you don't need medical qualification to know there will be future pandemics. It is a fairly easy assumption to make given what has happened throughout our history. Not to mention he is working with/listens to some of the best epidemiologists on the planet and then decides what to do. He is not making this up all by himself, it's backed peer reviewed science, over hundreds of years.

With climate change and the world becoming more and more connected, the potential for any novel viral infection to spread is huge, much more so than in the past. The good news is that we have the science and the technology to fight the most of such instances as was the case with COVID. We just need to get our priorities right, so that we prepared for the next time.

That is what Gates is saying and trying help to minimize. We don't have to pay the huge cost in terms of lives and time lost not only in case of global pandemics (again we saw how during COVID) but also to things like malaria, dengue which don't get that much attention but nevertheless their impact is huge on nations and populations they ravage each year.

Quite.

Obviously novel viruses appear whether they are genetically engineered or not, through the process of evolution. Spanish Flu killed 100 million people. These days we would be placed in lockdown again. Without the lockdowns and the very rapid vaccine development, COVID would have killed far more than the seven million it killed (that we know of) worldwide.

Malaria is not a virus, but is thought to have killed 500 million people in total. It still kills 500K per year but this is a sharp drop in the last fifteen years, due in part to Gates’s philanthropy. The man has saved hundreds of thousands of African and Asian lives, but conspiracy theorists hate him for no reason.
 
If they passed by Earth, maybe, but they are inside our atmosphere. That should rule out them being extrasolar objects. They are also too large and nonfunctional for alien probes.

We have sent probes that penetrated even hostile atmospheres. So though unlikely, it is still possible.

About the size and functionality, there is very little information available about these objects to take any concrete decisions. So please don't be a buzz killer and let us dream :)) :))
 
But you don't need medical qualification to know there will be future pandemics. It is a fairly easy assumption to make given what has happened throughout our history. Not to mention he is working with/listens to some of the best epidemiologists on the planet and then decides what to do. He is not making this up all by himself, it's backed peer reviewed science, over hundreds of years.

With climate change and the world becoming more and more connected, the potential for any novel viral infection to spread is huge, much more so than in the past. The good news is that we have the science and the technology to fight the most of such instances as was the case with COVID. We just need to get our priorities right, so that we prepared for the next time.

That is what Gates is saying and trying help to minimize. We don't have to pay the huge cost in terms of lives and time lost not only in case of global pandemics (again we saw how during COVID) but also to things like malaria, dengue which don't get that much attention but nevertheless their impact is huge on nations and populations they ravage each year.

Let a qualified doctor tell me of pandemics not a businessman. He is going far beyond this by telling people of treatments that will be made available. Many doctors have a problem with what he is saying and lecturing people on a subject he knows nothing about.

As for climate change you have heard of HAARP that us used to cause earthquakes as well?. You will probably call this a conspiracy theory too, right?. Technology can also be used as a weapon to harm people. The billionaires are the one who got even wealthier during the pandemic. I recall watching picture of political gathering where they were not even wearing masks while telling other people to do just that.

First they create the problem then look for the cure is how the world works. Bill Gates even appears like a psycho to me.
 
Biden says latest objects shot down over US not linked to China spy program
‘Private companies’ conclusion set to fuel criticism that downings were overreaction amid pressure over initial balloon discovery

Joe Biden has broken his silence on unknown aerial objects shot down over North America during the past week, assessing that they were “most likely” operated by private companies or research institutions rather than China.

The US president’s tentative conclusion is likely to fuel criticism that his orders to take down the objects were an overreaction amid political pressure over the discovery of a suspected Chinese spy balloon that transited much of the country.

Biden spoke for eight minutes at the Eisenhower executive office building on Thursday after Republicans and some Democrats expressed concerns that his unwillingness to comment on the issue could allow conspiracy theories to thrive.

“We don’t yet know exactly what these three objects were but nothing right now suggests they were related to China’s spy balloon program or that they were surveillance vehicles from any other country,” the president told reporters, against a backdrop of flags and the presidential seal.

“The intelligence community’s current assessment is that these three objects were most likely balloons tied to private companies, recreation or research institutions studying weather or conducting other scientific research.”

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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/feb/16/biden-objects-china-spy-balloon-surveillance
 
U.S., Canada Abandon Search for Downed Objects
End means Americans might never receive a conclusive accounting of exactly what was hit

What started with a military command born in the Cold War tracking a Chinese balloon in U.S. airspace—and led to a series of unprecedented shootdowns over North America—is ending with a mystery over what three of those downed objects were, and a missile sitting somewhere at the bottom of Lake Huron.

The Pentagon said late Friday that searches for two objects shot down a week ago over the Alaskan coast and Lake Huron had been called off. Canada said that it, too, was calling off its search of Lake Huron, which lies on the border with the U.S., and was ending its efforts to recover a third object shot down over the Yukon territory.

White House spokesman John Kirby had warned that determining what the objects were would rely heavily on being able to recover whatever was left after they were shot down. “We may not be able to go to 100% certainty on that unless or until we can get to the debris and analyze it,” he said.

Now, with the searches over, the most that might ever be publicly known is President Biden’s description on Thursday of the three objects. In a speech to the nation, he said they were likely tied to private companies or related to recreation or scientific research, and not sent by China or any other foreign power.

The White House said Saturday it had no additional comment on the objects.

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https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-mi...ts-downed-over-lake-huron-and-alaska-7108cfdc
 
Spy balloon, UFO or Dragon Ball? Japan baffled by iron ball washed up on beach
About 1.5 metres in diameter, the mysterious metal sphere has been the source of intense speculation online

Police and residents in a Japanese coastal town have been left baffled by a large iron ball that has washed up on a local beach, with authorities admitting they have no idea what it is – only that it isn’t about to explode.

The sphere, measuring about 1.5 metres in diameter, has been at the centre of fevered speculation since it washed up on Enshu beach in the city of Hamamatsu on the country’s Pacific coast, local media reports said.

Fears that it could be a stray mine were dismissed after experts used X-ray technology to examine the object’s interior and found that it was hollow.

There are no indications, either, that it was involved in espionage by nearby North Korea or China.

Police began inspecting the ball, which is orangey-brown with what appear to be darker patches of rust, after a local woman spotted it resting on the sand just metres from the shore while she was out for a walk earlier this week, Asahi TV reported.

Officers cordoned off the area and called in explosives experts dressed in protective clothing to investigate further, but reports say authorities still don’t know what the sphere is or where it came from.

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ball-sphere-beach-japan-officials-investigate
 
As for climate change you have heard of HAARP that us used to cause earthquakes as well?. You will probably call this a conspiracy theory too, right?.

You think that a radio transmitter, operated by the University of Alaska Fairbanks to excite small parts of the ionosphere in order to study weather, can cause earthquakes.

OK, I’ll bite. How does a radio transmitter cause earthquakes?
 
You think that a radio transmitter, operated by the University of Alaska Fairbanks to excite small parts of the ionosphere in order to study weather, can cause earthquakes.

OK, I’ll bite. How does a radio transmitter cause earthquakes?

Have you ever heard of HAARP?
 
Spy balloon sent data to China in real time - report

The Chinese balloon that flew over the US earlier this year managed to gather intelligence from military bases for days before it was shot down, US media report.

The balloon was able to transmit data to Beijing in real time, NBC News reported, citing US officials.

The craft picked up electronic signals rather than taking pictures, according to one official quoted by the network.

The White House didn't confirm the report.

But US officials say they managed to limit the balloon's intelligence-gathering abilities as it floated over the country.

On Monday, a defence department spokesperson said that the FBI was still examining the balloon debris.

"We do know that the balloon was able to be manoeuvred and purposely driven along its track," said spokesperson Sabrina Singh, who declined to say which military installations the balloon was able to hover over.

"We're still doing an assessment of what the intel was that China was able to gather but we do know that the steps that we took provided little additive value to what they've been able to collect on from satellites before," she said.

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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65169855
 
New images show Chinese spy balloons over Asia

New evidence of China's spy balloon programme - including flights over Japan and Taiwan - has been uncovered by BBC Panorama.

Japan has confirmed balloons have flown over its territory and said it's prepared to shoot them down in future.

China has not directly addressed the evidence presented by the BBC.

US-China relations were thrown into turmoil earlier this year, when an alleged Chinese spy balloon was shot down off the US coast.

China claimed the balloon seen over north-western US in late January was a civilian airship, used for scientific research such as meteorology - and that it was an unintended and isolated event.

John Culver - a former East Asia analyst for the CIA - told Panorama that this "had been not just a one-off, but a continuing effort dating back at least five years." He said the Chinese balloons were "specially designed for these long-range missions" and some had "apparently circumnavigated the globe".

Working with Synthetaic, an artificial intelligence company which sifted through huge amounts of data captured by satellites, the BBC has found multiple images of balloons crossing East Asia.

The company's founder, Corey Jaskolski, found evidence of one balloon crossing northern Japan in early September 2021. These images have not been published before.

Mr Jaskolski also believes the evidence points to this balloon having been launched from deep inside China, south of Mongolia. The BBC has been unable to confirm this.

Japan is a close ally of the US and more American forces are stationed there than in any other foreign country.

Yuko Murakami, from the Japanese ministry of defence, told the BBC that the government was "taking all precautions to monitor the situation on a daily basis" and would even be willing to shoot down balloons to protect the "lives and property of people in the territory of Japan".

The US State Department says it believes the Chinese balloons are equipped to gather signals intelligence. It says the aircraft it discovered over the US had "multiple antennas, likely capable of collecting and geo-locating communications".

To investigate whether China had launched other balloons, the Panorama team first searched social media and press reports across the region for sightings of UFOs in the sky.

They found two photographs taken by Taiwan's weather service, appearing to show a balloon over the capital, Taipei, in late September 2021.

Mr Jaskolski then cross-referenced them with satellite imagery. "Within 90 seconds, we found the balloon off the coast of Taiwan," he says.

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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-65972168
 
The United States Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer arrived in China on Saturday leading a bipartisan congressional delegation and starting a series of meetings in the world's second-largest economy amid rising tension between Washington and Beijing.

The goal of the trip to Asia, which includes stops in South Korea and Japan, is to advance U.S. economic and national security interests, and in China, the group hopes to meet Chinese President Xi Jinping, U.S. officials said.

After passing a sweeping bill last year to boost competition with China in semiconductors and other technology, Schumer and Democratic committee leaders said in May they would write legislation to limit the flow of technology to China, deter it from initiating a conflict with Taiwan and tighten rules to block U.S. capital from going to Chinese companies.

Schumer will focus on the need for reciprocity in China for U.S. businesses that will level the playing field for American workers, as well as on maintaining U.S. leadership in advanced technologies for national security, his office said.
The trip follows visits by a series of high-level Biden administration officials, including Commerce Secretary Gina Raimondo in August.

The group of six senators, co-led by Republican Mike Crapo, will meet government and business leaders in the three countries they are visiting, and from U.S. companies operating in the region.

Other senators on the trip include Republicans Bill Cassidy and John Kennedy and Democrats Maggie Hassan and Jon Ossoff.

China welcomes Schumer's visit and hopes it will deepen the U.S. Senate's objective understanding of China and facilitate dialogue between the nations' legislative agencies, China's foreign ministry said this week.


Source:Reuters
 
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