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China apparently has border disputes with 30 countries ?. Their one belt one road initiative will never be the success they are hoping for, too many countries have issues with them.

China would not make a great world leader. Human right violations in their country; complete internet censorship. Bullying other countries at the border. Hiding data about COVID severity from rest of the world.

People criticize USA for being a world police and USA has done some terrible things such as torturing Iraqi/ Afghan prisoners. But China has committed far more evil. I am not a fan of their “government” ie. one guy who wields absolute power and can do pretty much anything he desires.
 
You must be talking about Pakistan,where chinese do as they please. Dont extrapolate your predicament to others.

Pakistan has taken what India considers one of its more important territories, POK as you call it but India has failed , in fact given up on. Embarrasing from a much bigger nation, now China is more of the same size , population and are doing what they like in the area in question.

When you cant fight someone your size and yet still cant even fight someone smaller, its best to not talk.
 
Pakistan has taken what India considers one of its more important territories, POK as you call it but India has failed , in fact given up on. Embarrasing from a much bigger nation, now China is more of the same size , population and are doing what they like in the area in question.

When you cant fight someone your size and yet still cant even fight someone smaller, its best to not talk.

Nah, Pakistan didn't take anything, we lost the war and were hUmIiAtEd then suddenly Indian sena patis gifted us a part of Kashmir so we may occupy it :yk
 
China unnecessarily wasted their resources and lives of soldiers by locking horns with a third world country like India, if there were transgression from india they could have easily controlled the situation by issuing a stern warning
 
These events managed to create some false hopes and a group of new cheerleaders which was a necessity to counter internet hindus
 
It doesn’t matter from which side soldiers are dying. The point is human blood is spilled without justifiable reason.

“A conquering army on the border will not be stopped by eloquence”. ~ Otto von Bismarck.

The people in charge of foreign affairs don’t give two hoots about humanity. And to think they one day will is setting yourself up for disappointment.

Just accept it and try to better it by making others aware of the situation so their emotions will not be played with.
 
China unnecessarily wasted their resources and lives of soldiers by locking horns with a third world country like India, if there were transgression from india they could have easily controlled the situation by issuing a stern warning

They just showed India its place, strategically, politically and militarily by "huMiliatiNg" them. It was a key and essential maneuver, especially since they are spending considerable money on trade routes and water dams.

India ab shararat karne se pehle do bar soche ga. Jang ka shauk poora kar diya China ne.
 
Pakistan has taken what India considers one of its more important territories, POK as you call it but India has failed , in fact given up on. Embarrasing from a much bigger nation, now China is more of the same size , population and are doing what they like in the area in question.

When you cant fight someone your size and yet still cant even fight someone smaller, its best to not talk.

India separated half of Pakistan in 1971.

India has been honouring an international agreement on PoK where by it doesn't try to take PoK forcibly.

What are the Chinese doing? They just packed their bags and left and descalated at the Pangong Tso areas.

When you lose half your country and 90k of you surrender in what is the biggest surrender since world war 2, its better not to show false bravado.
 
They just showed India its place, strategically, politically and militarily by "huMiliatiNg" them. It was a key and essential maneuver, especially since they are spending considerable money on trade routes and water dams.

India ab shararat karne se pehle do bar soche ga. Jang ka shauk poora kar diya China ne.

You and your delusions. While China lost soldiers and had to de escalate and go back, you think India was humiliated.

No wonder you also would think Pakistan won all the wars with India.
 
They just showed India its place, strategically, politically and militarily by "huMiliatiNg" them. It was a key and essential maneuver, especially since they are spending considerable money on trade routes and water dams.

India ab shararat karne se pehle do bar soche ga. Jang ka shauk poora kar diya China ne.
India were poorly equipped during the initial stage it was the best time for chinese to achieve their strategic ambition, politically the situation helped india government a lot as it took away attention from poorly managed covid crisis situation, hundreds of soldiers dies each year in india mainly due to suicides, terrorist attacks, cross border fire and fratricides so the loss of lives of soldiers is not a big thing until people decide to use it for political purpose.Key and essential maneuver without any significant gains were needless especially against a third world country.This won't stop modi and co from war mongering and committing mischief against pakistan.
 
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India were poorly equipped during the initial stage it was the best time for chinese to achieve their strategic ambition, politically the situation helped india government a lot as it took away attention from poorly managed covid crisis situation, hundreds of soldiers dies each year in india mainly due to suicides, terrorist attacks, cross border fire and fratricides so the loss of lives of soldiers is not a big thing until people decide to use it for political purpose.Key and essential maneuver without any significant gains were needless especially against a third world country.This won't stop modi and co from war mongering and committing mischief against pakistan.

What else he gonna do against Pakistan? Start a full fledged war? Not gonna happen. Thing about bullies, they are just cowards.

Significant gains: don't mess with our investment, we will come to your home, beat you, take your territory and build a friggin base in there. Meanwhile you will be chanting "all iz well, all iz well".

I don't know buddy, I see a lot of gains in there.
 
You and your delusions. While China lost soldiers and had to de escalate and go back, you think India was humiliated.

No wonder you also would think Pakistan won all the wars with India.

Deep breaths buddy. Deep breaths. Open your window a bit and let some fresh air come in.
 
India separated half of Pakistan in 1971.

India has been honouring an international agreement on PoK where by it doesn't try to take PoK forcibly.

What are the Chinese doing? They just packed their bags and left and descalated at the Pangong Tso areas.

When you lose half your country and 90k of you surrender in what is the biggest surrender since world war 2, its better not to show false bravado.

Tactical retreat by the Chinese imo, they are planning something.

I wonder if the retreat is because Biden a known war monger is now POTUS causing the Chinese feel more threatened ? Biden has fired SHOTS at China, Quad will be strengthened even more. At worst I feel the Chinese realized they cant just take Indian territory easily, like they are used during the Congress Regime.

However Indians need to be vary and trend with caution, I am sure they know this. Indian ocean is the real battlefield I feel, Indians and rest of the QUAD members will play a heavy role there making the Chinese influence virtually NILL, they will also try to influence the the Horn of Africa region via the Indian ocean.

Interesting times ahead, Rest of the world wont let China become the next world police, that much we can be sure of..
 
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What else he gonna do against Pakistan? Start a full fledged war? Not gonna happen. Thing about bullies, they are just cowards.

Significant gains: don't mess with our investment, we will come to your home, beat you, take your territory and build a friggin base in there. Meanwhile you will be chanting "all iz well, all iz well".

I don't know buddy, I see a lot of gains in there.
As i mentioned before they would have easily captured some important strategic points initially without significant resistance if their intention were to protect the investments, they could have at least maintained the status quo this is not the right way to deal with a inferior force
 
Interesting video..seems China is preparing it's public for some future endeavours. They definitely handled the last skirmish much better not only on the physical front where they inflicted more damage on India but also now we see on the propoganda and morale front they are ahead of India.

India most certainly would not be able to counter this long-term regardless of what the internet Hindus may want their public to believe. Not a fan of either but Hoping for a peaceful solution.
 
There entire Ladakh thing has been bizarre considering the lead up.

India was posturing when Imran Khan came into power. India hoped to really stunt Pakistan with military strikes and a rabid propaganda campaign.

It ended up with a humiliated pilot and a massive Fake News busy (EU Disinformation Lab). India still went into overdrive trying to whip up Anti Pakistani hysteria.

It's clear to China that the Indian government is blindsided by its own Hindutva hysteria with Pakistan and capitalised up north.

The mental gymnastics from Bhakts has been enjoyable though.
 
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20 Indian soldiers were beaten to death by clubs and sticks. Pretty nasty!
Chinese state controlled media always complaints about propaganda of Indian media and ultra nationalism of online supporters of rightwing government, only way to silence and humiliate them is by releasing the videos of nasty treatment indian soldiers recieved.
 
There entire Ladakh thing has been bizarre considering the lead up.

India was posturing when Imran Khan came into power. India hoped to really stunt Pakistan with military strikes and a rabid propaganda campaign.

It ended up with a humiliated pilot and a massive Fake News busy (EU Disinformation Lab). India still went into overdrive trying to whip up Anti Pakistani hysteria.

It's clear to China that the Indian government is blindsided by its own Hindutva hysteria with Pakistan and capitalised up north.

The mental gymnastics from Bhakts has been enjoyable though.

Pakistan survived the 2001-2018 era with so many terrorist attacks, the dictator, corrupt administration, foreign funded anti Pakistan campaigns, Bhuttos/Zardaris, Shareefs, Mullahs and other ghaddar filth etc etc.

System still needs to improve. IK has a lot of work to do, but at least his direction benefits common Pakistanis.

Yet despite all that Pak still managed to thwart India :yk

What doesn't kill you, makes you stronger. In Pakistan's case, it applies down to the last word.
 
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India separated half of Pakistan in 1971.

India has been honouring an international agreement on PoK where by it doesn't try to take PoK forcibly.

What are the Chinese doing? They just packed their bags and left and descalated at the Pangong Tso areas.

When you lose half your country and 90k of you surrender in what is the biggest surrender since world war 2, its better not to show false bravado.

Bangladesh is not part of India. We didnt lose anything to India, its great they have their own nation, a major blessing for Pak as its saves us having to spend so much on defending numerous borders.

We have taken nearly 50% of Kashmir decades before 71 and India knows it can never take it back.

Chinese are slapping India, thats what they have been doing for for years.
 
We have taken nearly 50% of Kashmir decades before 71 and India knows it can never take it back.
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Brathar,

Lets be fair here, when whole Kashmir legally became part of India, Indian forces would have had control of all of Kashmir wasn't for our Pseudo Secular PM Nehru.

The strategy was perfectly placed (surprisingly by the Indians, considering we had a brain dead PM Nehru and a malayalee defence minister Krishna Menon in charge back then), I believe the invading Pakistani forces in Kashmir were forced to flee to defend Lahore as an Indian invasion was underway, which left Kashmir all on its own.

However our Pseudo Secular PM Nehru felt that Indians should only take half of Kashmir, had he chose to take control of the entire Kashmir region back then, maybe, just maybe, there would not have been any conflicts here today and India/Pakistan may have been thriving together economy wise...
 
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Brathar,

Lets be fair here, when whole Kashmir legally became part of India, Indian forces would have had control of all of Kashmir wasn't for our Pseudo Secular PM Nehru.

The strategy was perfectly placed (surprisingly by the Indians, considering we had a brain dead PM Nehru and a malayalee defence minister Krishna Menon in charge back then), I believe the invading Pakistani forces in Kashmir were forced to flee to defend Lahore as an Indian invasion was underway, which left Kashmir all on its own.

However our Pseudo Secular PM Nehru felt that Indians should only take half of Kashmir, had he chose to take control of the entire Kashmir region back then, maybe, just maybe, there would not have been any conflicts here today and India/Pakistan may have been thriving together economy wise...

There are varioius versions to this history, as there always is with India/Paklistan but the reality is India believing Pak is occupying their land. You have to support your motherland bro but you're smart enough to know big nations such as China wont worry about India when a nation 1/6 of it's size in land mass and population, with a far far smaller armed forces has controlled their land for 70 odd years now. Giving up Kashmir for both sides will auto see China/India/Pak relations improve to friendly terms. The white man continues to laugh when any of these 3 fight each other for pretty much an issue which can be solved in a few days.
 
Pangong Lake: India and China complete pull-back of forces

India and China have completed the pull-back of troops from part of their disputed Himalayan border, a joint statement issued by the Indian defence ministry says.

Soldiers completed their withdrawal from the Pangong Tso Lake area on Saturday, according to the communiqué.

Clashes on the poorly marked border led to the deaths of 24 troops last June.

Both sides say they will work to cut tensions on other parts of the border, or Line of Actual Control.

China and India announced their intention to withdraw forces from the lake area on 11 February, and commanders met on Saturday to assess how the operation was going.

"The two sides positively appraised the smooth completion of disengagement of frontline troops in the Pangong Lake area noting that it was a significant step forward that provided a good basis for resolution of other remaining issues along the LAC in Western Sector," Sunday's statement said.

Commanders held nine rounds of talks to get to this stage.

The statement acknowledged that other parts of the border remained tense and looked forward to continuing talks.

"The two sides agreed to follow the important consensus of their state leaders, continue their communication and dialogue, stabilise and control the situation on the ground, push for a mutually acceptable resolution of the remaining issues in a steady and orderly manner, so as to jointly maintain peace and tranquillity in the border areas."

Before the completed withdrawal round Pangong Tso Lake, troops from each side were positioned on the north and south shores in territory claimed by both sides.

Months of tension has increased fears that the continued deployment of thousands of troops in the Ladakh region and the Chinese-administered Aksai Chin could lead to an escalating conflict.

India and China have been locked in a border dispute for decades and went to war in 1962. The border is 3,440km (2,100 miles) long and ill-defined.

Rivers, lakes and snowcaps along the frontier mean the line can shift, bringing soldiers face to face at many points, sparking confrontation. The two countries however have a long-standing agreement not to use guns or explosives along the border.

In January, troops on both sides were injured in a clash in the north-east in India's Sikkim state.

Twenty Indian troops were killed in June's clash which was in the Galwan Valley. China admitted two days ago that four of its soldiers died in the encounter. Weapons used reportedly included stones and nail-studded clubs.

China said the incident involved "fistfighting".

Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-56147309.
 
"China, India In Communication For Holding 11th Round Of Border Talks": Beijing

China also said that there is no delay in holding talks with India to discuss the disengagement of troops from the remaining friction points in eastern Ladakh, amid reports about the likelihood of the 11th round of corps commander-level talks on Friday.

China today said that India's proposal for the restoration of the status quo of April 2020 at eastern Ladakh could be discussed at the next meetings between the two countries.
China also said that there is no delay in holding talks with India to discuss the disengagement of troops from the remaining friction points in eastern Ladakh, amid reports about the likelihood of the 11th round of corps commander-level talks on Friday.

Asked to confirm the date for the 11th round of China-India Corps Commander-level meeting to discuss further disengagement in eastern Ladakh, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian told a media briefing in Beijing that "China and India are in communication on the holding of the 11th round of talks."

"As for the specific date for the upcoming talks, I have no information," he said.

The spokesperson also denied any delay in holding of the 11th round of talks when pointed out that it is going to be about two months since the first disengagement has taken place and a month since the 10th round of talks on the disengagement of troops.

"There is no delayed meeting as you cited. I want to stress that the merits of the situation at the India-China border are very clear and the responsibility does not rest with the Chinese side," Mr Zhao said.

"We hope the Indian side will work with China to follow through the important consensus of our two state leaders, abide by relevant agreements and treaties to de-escalate the tension at the border," he said.

He also said India's proposal for the restoration of the status quo at eastern Ladakh could be discussed at the meetings between the two countries.

About India's stand that the status quo of April 2020 should be restored and whether China would consider the proposal, Mr Zhao said, "for the proposal, you mentioned I believe it should be talked in the meetings and I already made clear my position on the border issue just now."

Media reports from Delhi said the corps commanders of both the militaries are likely to meet on Friday to discuss the disengagement of troops in the remaining friction points in eastern Ladakh.

India was expected to insist on early disengagement of troops in Gogra and Hot Springs besides pressing for resolution of pending issues in Depsang plains, the reports said.

The border standoff between the Indian and Chinese militaries erupted on May 5 last year, following a violent clash in the Pangong Lake areas and both sides gradually enhanced their deployment by rushing in tens of thousands of soldiers as well as heavy weaponry.

As a result of a series of military and diplomatic talks, the two sides completed the withdrawal of troops and weapons from the North and South banks of Pangong Lake in February in line with an agreement on disengagement.

In the subsequent military talks on February 20, India insisted on the resolution of outstanding issues including in Depsang, Hot Springs and Gogra.

India has been insisting that peace and tranquility along the border is essential for overall ties between the two countries.

Last week, India hoped that China will work with it to ensure disengagement of troops in remaining areas of eastern Ladakh at the earliest.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/china-india-in-communication-for-holding-11th-round-of-border-talks-beijing-2409272
 
China-Bhutan Boundary Talks Bound To Upset India — Chinese Analysts

China and Bhutan have agreed to “continue to maintain peace and stability” on their border, but Chinese analysts claim that this new arrangement could “upset” India.

Beijing and Thimphu held their 10th round of expert-level meetings on boundary issues in China’s Kunming between April 6 and 9. The Chinese side was led by Hong Liang, Director-General of the Department of Boundary and Ocean Affairs of the Foreign Ministry.

It was agreed to maintain cordial relations at the border. A roadmap for speeding up China-Bhutan border negotiations was also discussed, the Chinese foreign ministry said.

Taking a swipe at New Delhi, Chinese experts, however, said the meeting reflects Bhutan’s negation of India’s claim of “China threat” and managing the border affairs independently.

Qian Feng, director of the research department at the National Strategy Institute at Tsinghua University, told the state-owned Global Times that Bhutan’s “move will upset some Indians who think Bhutan is under India’s control and it will be seen as a signal of breaking away”.

New Delhi has not yet made any official comment on the China-Bhutan boundary talks.

India maintains close ties with the tiny Himalayan neighbor. Doklam, an area close to the India-Bhutan-China tri-junction, had witnessed a standoff between Indian and Chinese armies. The area is of strategic importance to all three nations.

India had objected to China constructing a road in Doklam, a territory claimed by both Beijing and Thimphu, leading to the confrontation. India, in fact, has sided with its ally Bhutan in the dispute.

China, which had been locked in a border conflict with India in eastern Ladakh for close to 10 months, officially admitted in July last year that it had a boundary dispute with Bhutan too. This caused alarm for New Delhi as the disputed territory falls in the eastern sector, near Bhutan’s border with India’s Arunachal Pradesh.

China claims the whole of Arunachal Pradesh as its territory, calling it Southern Tibet.

Amid the Ladakh border standoff last year, India reportedly pushed Bhutan to settle its boundary dispute with China to define the Doklam area, ThePrint reported.

While Bhutan has always acted as a loyal ally to India, Chinese experts believe the latest “friendly meeting” between Beijing and Thimphu will refute the slander made by “anti-China Indians” that “China is holding back its troops on the China-India border in order to take military action to ‘retake’ its territory after it becomes stronger in the future.”

The Chinese experts told the state media Beijing does not in fact bully its small neighbors like Bhutan. They said the consensus reached between China and Bhutan shows that a sincere China is willing to sit down and solve the decades-old historical issues.

https://eurasiantimes.com/china-bhutan-cordial-boundary-talks-will-upset-india-chinese-analysts/
 
China Blogger Gets 8 Months In Prison For Galwan Casualties Post

The blogger, who is known online as ''Labixiaoqiu'', was also ordered to publicly apologise through major domestic portals and the national media within 10 days.

Beijing: A popular Chinese blogger, detained earlier this year for his comments regarding military casualties of Galwan valley clash with India, has been sentenced to eight months in prison.
Qiu Ziming, an internet celebrity with more than 2.5 million followers, on Monday received a jail term of eight months for ''defaming martyrs'', marking the first such case in China since a new amendment was attached to the Criminal Law, reported Global Times.

The blogger, who is known online as ''Labixiaoqiu'', was also ordered to publicly apologise through major domestic portals and the national media within 10 days, ordered a Nanjing court in East China's Jiangsu Province.

The court noted that Qiu had ''truthfully confessed to his crime'', entered a guilty plea and said in court that he would never commit the crime again, therefore he was getting a lighter sentence.

On March 1, Qiu had made an open apology for his comments during a broadcast on China's state broadcaster CCTV, reported Global Times.

"I feel extremely ashamed of myself, and I'm very sorry," said the 38-year-old.

The comments came after China admitted for the first time that four of its soldiers had been killed and one seriously wounded in the clash that took place in the Himalayas.

Qiu, a former reporter with the weekly Economic Observer, had published two posts that suggested a commander survived the clashes because he was the highest-ranking officer there. He also suggested that more Chinese soldiers might have been killed in the conflict than those disclosed by the authorities.

In February, Russian news agency TASS had claimed that 45 Chinese soldiers were killed in the clashes.

In February, state news agency Xinhua accused Qiu of "damaging the reputation of heroes, hurting nationalistic feelings and poisoning patriotic hearts" with his sensational posts.

The Chinese Communist Party has long been accused of suppressing ideas that could undermine its sweeping authority.

In just the past few years, the government has attempted to muzzle critics by making them disappear without a trace, ordering people to physically barge into their houses, or locking up those close to critics as a kind of blackmail.

India and China have been engaged in a border standoff since last year. The situation along the Line of Actual Control (LAC) deteriorated in June last year following the Galwan Valley clash in which both Indian and Chinese sides suffered casualties.

Twenty Indian soldiers lost their lives in the violent face-off on June 15-16. It happened as a result of an attempt by the Chinese troops to unilaterally change the status quo during the de-escalation in eastern Ladakh.

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/china-blogger-gets-8-months-in-prison-for-galwan-casualties-post-2453816
 
India on Thursday blamed China’s actions of amassing troops in border areas and attempting to change the status quo on the Line of Actual Control (LAC) for the ongoing military standoff, dismissing Beijing’s contention that New Delhi’s policies were to blame for the tensions.

The latest war of words between the foreign ministries of the two countries came against the backdrop of a lack in progress in disengagement and de-escalation of frontline troops following a limited drawdown on the north and south banks of Pangong Lake in February. India has insisted that peace and tranquillity on LAC is a prerequisite for normalcy in the overall bilateral relationship.

“It is well recognised that it has been the Chinese actions over the last year, including amassing of a large number of troops close to border areas in the western sector, and trying to unilaterally alter the status quo along the LAC, which have seriously disturbed peace and tranquillity in the border areas,” external affairs ministry spokesperson Arindam Bagchi told a weekly news briefing.

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These actions, he said, have violated several bilateral agreements, including the 1993 and 1996 agreements which “mandate that the two sides shall strictly respect and observe the LAC and that the two sides will keep their military forces in the areas along the LAC to a minimum level”.

Bagchi was responding to questions regarding the Chinese foreign ministry’s contention on Wednesday that Chinese troops were deployed at the border to prevent India from encroaching on Chinese territory, and that India’s aggressive policies alone were to blame for tensions on the LAC.

“The military deployment by China in the western sector along the border is a normal defensive arrangement. It is meant to prevent the encroachment or threat against China’s territory by relevant country,” Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson Zhao Lijian had said.

Zhao had contended the Indian side had been increasing its military presence along the border and “encroaching upon Chinese territory”. This, he said, was the root cause of the “tense situation along the borders”.

The Chinese side further said the border issue shouldn’t be linked to bilateral ties.

The strong Indian response to the stance adopted by China’s foreign ministry reflected the position taken in recent weeks by external affairs minister S Jaishankar, who has maintained that Beijing’s actions were responsible for the military standoff and that bilateral relations could move forward in all spheres only after the two countries addressed the situation on the LAC.

India has repeatedly said complete disengagement at all friction points on the LAC and peace and tranquillity in the border areas alone can lead to the normalisation of the overall bilateral relationship.

Participating in a virtual dialogue at the Qatar Economic Forum on Tuesday, Jaishankar said the onus is on China to adhere to written agreements with India on not deploying large numbers of armed troops along the border so that the two countries can take forward their ties on the basis of mutual sensitivity, mutual respect and mutual interest”.

Though there has been considerable speculation about India and China holding a meeting of the Working Mechanism for Consultation and Coordination (WMCC) on border affairs, Bagchi told the briefing that he didn’t “have any update to share for the moment”.

More than a year after the standoff began, the disengagement of troops is yet to be completed after 11 rounds of military talks and seven rounds of diplomatic talks. China’s People’s Liberation Army has continued the deployment of troops and heavy equipment on the LAC and inducted the army’s air defence units in its air force command chain, establishing a joint air defence system for the first time.
 
“The military deployment by China in the western sector along the border is a normal defensive arrangement. It is meant to prevent the encroachment or threat against China’s territory by relevant country,” Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson Zhao Lijian had said.

Ding ding.

Chinese won't compromise against their borders, especially now with EU/USA going openly against them.

India, like always, won't achieve anything here.

Let's see.
 
Indians furious over release of bruised soldiers' pictures by China

Indians furious over release of bruised soldiers' pictures by China

Standoff between India and China has been continuing since early 2020


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ISLAMABAD:
Indians are furious over the release of images of captured and badly bruised Indian army officers and men during the China-India clashes in Galwan valley in the Himalayan border area in 2020.

The images widely shared on social media showed scores of Indian soldiers beaten "black and blue" and marching in long columns, while the Chinese troops are standing on the hillside.

The new pictures initially emerged on Chinese social media and showed how the Indians got the surprise of their life when they got pushed back during the 2020 clashes between China and India in Galwan. Images showed injured Indian soldiers being captured by the Chinese army (PLA).

News reports said the soldiers belonged to the 16 Bihar Regt of the Indian Army who left behind their Commanding Officer at the mercy of Chinese PLA and ran away.

The standoff between India and China has been continuing since early 2020. The China Daily in its publication on October 9 quoted sources from the Chinese military and said that on September 28, the Chinese border guards were carrying out routine patrols in the Dongzhang area on the Chinese side of the China-India border, but were “unreasonably blocked” by the Indian side.

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According to defence analysts, the images have been released by China, following Indian media’s propaganda. The pictures give clear evidence of how the Indian troops were defeated by the Chinese army while hundreds were captured after they were overcome by the Chinese soldiers.

Source: https://tribune.com.pk/story/232416...release-of-bruised-soldiers-pictures-by-china
 
Indians are furious over the release of images of captured and badly bruised Indian army officers and men during the China-India clashes in Galwan valley in the Himalayan border area in 2020.

The images widely shared on social media showed scores of Indian soldiers beaten "black and blue" and marching in long columns, while the Chinese troops are standing on the hillside.

The new pictures initially emerged on Chinese social media and showed how the Indians got the surprise of their life when they got pushed back during the 2020 clashes between China and India in Galwan. Images showed injured Indian soldiers being captured by the Chinese army (PLA).

News reports said the soldiers belonged to the 16 Bihar Regt of the Indian Army who left behind their Commanding Officer at the mercy of Chinese PLA and ran away.

The standoff between India and China has been continuing since early 2020. The China Daily in its publication on October 9 quoted sources from the Chinese military and said that on September 28, the Chinese border guards were carrying out routine patrols in the Dongzhang area on the Chinese side of the China-India border, but were “unreasonably blocked” by the Indian side.

The pictures initially emerged on Chinese social media showing injured Indian troops. FILE PHOTO

The pictures initially emerged on Chinese social media showing injured Indian troops. FILE PHOTO

Chinese officers and soldiers “resolutely countered, and returned after completing the patrol mission”.

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The paper quoted the Chinese source and said that the Dongzhang area was China’s inherent territory, and it was entirely reasonable and legal for the Chinese border guards to patrol their own territory.

It rejected the Indian media’s hype about Chinese soldiers being detained for “crossing the line” and termed it false and inconsistent with the facts. The paper pointed that the responsibility rested entirely with the Indian side.

According to the Economic Times, over 100 PLA soldiers crossed the border at Barahoti in Uttarakhand last month, damaged some infrastructure, including a bridge, before retreating. The ET quoting officials aware of the situation, said the movement of the Chinese PLA, as disengagement of troops in eastern Ladakh has been progressing well, has sounded the alarm bells in the central sector.

The incident on August 30 did not result in a face-off as PLA soldiers returned before they could be confronted. Over 100 soldiers and 55 horses transgressed over 5 km of Indian territory by crossing the Tun Jun La Pass, security establishment insiders told ET.

The sad state of affairs of the Indian army, low morale and unwillingness to defend their territory could be judged from the fact that even government officials in New Delhi confirmed that the Chinese soldiers along with military horses had come to the grazing ground near Barahoti, crossing the Tun Jun La Pass.

On the contrary, the Indian army chief continues to cast an impression that his strong military force could take on the Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA). Indian Chief of Army Staff General M M Naravane said the military build-up by China in the eastern Ladakh region and new infrastructure development to sustain the large-scale deployment were matters of concern and India has been keeping a close watch on all the activities.

He said if the Chinese military maintains the deployment through the second winter, it may lead to an LoC-like situation (Line of Control) though not an active LoC which is present on the western front with Pakistan. He said the Indian Army too will maintain its presence on its side.

Indian and Chinese militaries have been on a standoff in several areas along the Line of Actual Control (LAC) in eastern Ladakh for over 17 months. Both sides had disengaged from a number of friction points this year following a series of talks; however military analysts believe that keeping in view India’s hegemonistic designs, it won't be long before they get "another beating by the Chinese".

A BBC report of 16 June 2020 confirmed the killing of at least 20 Indian soldiers in a clash with Chinese forces in a disputed Himalayan border area, Indian officials say. The BBC had said the incident followed rising tensions and was the first deadly clash in the border area in at least 45 years.

Initially, the Indian army initially said three of its soldiers had been killed, adding that both sides suffered casualties, but later admitted that a number of critically injured soldiers had died of their wounds.

According to defence analysts, the images have been released by China, following Indian media’s propaganda. The pictures give clear evidence of how the Indian troops were defeated by the Chinese army while hundreds were captured after they were overcome by the Chinese soldiers.
 
It seems everyone hates China, they dont seem to have much friends.

It feels like even Hitler and the Nazi's had more allies back in the day of WW2
 
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China have been on it for decades and they are doing it inch by inch.
 
According to Taiwan "pro-independence" (read USA-backed) party China will be ready to invade Taiwan by 2025. This would be an absurd move by Chinese. Why risk a war? Why change a situation where they are leading the world in commerce and are the close 2nd in technology?

As I see it, it is the US (AUKUS) who want the WW3 to start, which as so may experts have predicted could be the end of humanity...
 
According to Taiwan "pro-independence" (read USA-backed) party China will be ready to invade Taiwan by 2025. This would be an absurd move by Chinese. Why risk a war? Why change a situation where they are leading the world in commerce and are the close 2nd in technology?

As I see it, it is the US (AUKUS) who want the WW3 to start, which as so may experts have predicted could be the end of humanity...

Because PRC wants Taiwan back, of course.

AUKUS is there to help the Australians feel safe from Chinese expansionism, and keep the international sea lanes open, freeing shipping from bullying from the PRC navy.
 
Because PRC wants Taiwan back, of course.

AUKUS is there to help the Australians feel safe from Chinese expansionism, and keep the international sea lanes open, freeing shipping from bullying from the PRC navy.

"Chinese expansionism" is a myth being aggressively spread by racist sinophobes. The fact is China are yet to invade any country or participate in a war. As a matter of fact, all their political maneuvers are anti war. They even returned "conquered area" back to India after the 1962 war (feel free to correct me those who know that war's history)...

China focuses on economic growth. It is their way of doing things, a total opposite of the "American and her allies' way" i.e. invade a country, spread freedom and democracy™, loot the resources and flee the mess... Now that the EU has wised up and separated itself from 'Muricans... the AUKUS is nothing but a pathetic manifestation of Anglo-world's frustration due to their inability to compete in a free / open market with fair rules.

Rest is all propaganda.

bullying from the PRC navy.
Provide some examples of it...
 
"Chinese expansionism" is a myth being aggressively spread by racist sinophobes. The fact is China are yet to invade any country or participate in a war. As a matter of fact, all their political maneuvers are anti war ...

Really? Ever heard of Tibet?
 
India has test-fired a nuclear-capable intercontinental ballistic missile from an island of its east coast amid lingering border tensions with China.

The Agni-V missile landed in the Bay of Bengal with "a very high degree of accuracy", a government statement said.

India said it was part of a policy "to have credible minimum deterrence that underpins the commitment to no first use".

The missile has a 3,125 mile-range (5,000km) and is believed to be able to reach all of China.

Its development has been driven by Beijing's own powerful arsenal and India has been working on medium and long-range weapons since the 1990s.

Talks between military commanders to ease tensions in border areas ended in a stalemate this month.

The two countries fought a war in 1962 and India is said to be growing more wary of China's efforts to build influence in the Indian Ocean.

The launch comes as a top US general confirmed China earlier this year conducted its own test of a hypersonic weapons system.

"What we saw was a very significant event of a test of a hypersonic weapon system, and it is very concerning," said General Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

Launched in August, the nuclear-capable weapon reached space, orbited Earth before gliding back towards China.

Beijing denied the report at the time, saying it was "a routine test of a space vehicle to verify technology of the spacecraft's reusability".

Speaking to Bloomberg, General Milley added: "I don't know if it's quite a Sputnik moment, but I think it's very close to that.

"So it's a very significant technological event that occurred, or test that occurred, by the Chinese. And it has all of our attention."

SKY
 
China has taken Ladakh. Now they want more Indian territory. This testing of weapons by India will not deter the China. They have many more off them.
 
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Just saw the above pic too where the Chinese made Indian soldiers beg for forgiveness. they were made to hold their ears and fold their hands as we can clearly see. I feel sorry for the Indian soldiers who appear so weak and malnourished. They are mostly poor men who have families too look after whilst those sending them to fight sit in their palaces eating and merry making. Indian people here don't embarrass yourselves any further by comparing Indian soldiers to the Chinese or saying these pics hare not of your soldiers.
 
Just saw the above pic too where the Chinese made Indian soldiers beg for forgiveness. they were made to hold their ears and fold their hands as we can clearly see. I feel sorry for the Indian soldiers who appear so weak and malnourished. They are mostly poor men who have families too look after whilst those sending them to fight sit in their palaces eating and merry making. Indian people here don't embarrass yourselves any further by comparing Indian soldiers to the Chinese or saying these pics hare not of your soldiers.

Indian army have tortured, violated and murdered Kashmiri children, elders and women for decades...

They are very brave against unarmed people...

India are lucky that China do not have any intention to invade India...
 
more pics ...... Lol

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You Pakistanis are soo gullible :)

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:kakmal
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You Pakistanis are soo gullible :)

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:kakmal
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have some shame you bhakt .... are these your men or not ?
this pics and above pics is from same place ....... :)

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have some shame you bhakt .... are these your men or not ?
this pics and above pics is from same place ....... :)

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Yeah, I believe it bro :)

Every source and photographs morphed by the Chinese, is the truth

Agreed :)


P.S. I also happen to believe Pigs fly backwards also :sarf2
 
Yeah, I believe it bro :)

Every source and photographs morphed by the Chinese, is the truth

Agreed :)


P.S. I also happen to believe Pigs fly backwards also :sarf2

did IAF shotdown F-16 ? Yes or No ?
have you done 1st surgical strike in 2016 ? Yes or No ? :)
 
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did IAF shotdown F-16 ? Yes or No ?
have you done 1st surgical strike in 2016 ? Yes or No ? :)

No I don't believe F16 was shot down (however that doesn't mean my opinion is true). However I do believe a section of the terrorist site was bombed which is why Pakistani military didn't allow any media or any access to that area for a month :) .. No I don't believe the first surgical strike took place.
 
No I don't believe F16 was shot down (however that doesn't mean my opinion is true). However I do believe a section of the terrorist site was bombed which is why Pakistani military didn't allow any media or any access to that area for a month :) .. No I don't believe the first surgical strike took place.

You do realise how often your media has been exposed lying? The pic is absolutely authentic no doubt about it at all.
 
Indian army have tortured, violated and murdered Kashmiri children, elders and women for decades...

They are very brave against unarmed people...

India are lucky that China do not have any intention to invade India...

They do for sure. Ladakh has already fallen to the Chinese. Next stop is Arunachal Pradesh.
 
You do realise how often your media has been exposed lying? The pic is absolutely authentic no doubt about it at all.

You do realize how often the Chinese media has been exposed lying ? The pic is absolutely not authentic no doubt about it at all.
 
You do realize how often the Chinese media has been exposed lying ? The pic is absolutely not authentic no doubt about it at all.

Indian media are the leaders in lies and propaganda where your media has been exposed reputedly. Where is the evidence of this Pic being fake? Just your word isn't good enough.
 
Indian media are the leaders in lies and propaganda where your media has been exposed reputedly. Where is the evidence of this Pic being fake? Just your word isn't good enough.

Chinese media are the leaders in lies and propaganda, where is the evidence the pic being authentic ? just the Chinese word isn't good enough.
 
Chinese media are the leaders in lies and propaganda, where is the evidence the pic being authentic ? just the Chinese word isn't good enough.

It is for you to prove the pic is unauthentic. That the Chinese have posted it is enough evidence that the pic is there for the world to see. Now you will say they have not spanked you in Ladakh as well even though many Indian experts admit so themselves. Your lies of some Pak official sitting on some fifth floor hotel in Afghanistan and using video games amongst many other incidents proves Indian media are liars. They are not called out for their fake news repeatedly for no reason. What have the Chinese who are competing with America lied about?. Dirt poor India isn't even in the race, you can't be compared to the dragon....it's not even close.
 
It is for you to prove the pic is unauthentic. That the Chinese have posted it is enough evidence that the pic is there for the world to see. Now you will say they have not spanked you in Ladakh as well even though many Indian experts admit so themselves. Your lies of some Pak official sitting on some fifth floor hotel in Afghanistan and using video games amongst many other incidents proves Indian media are liars. They are not called out for their fake news repeatedly for no reason. What have the Chinese who are competing with America lied about?. Dirt poor India isn't even in the race, you can't be compared to the dragon....it's not even close.

Yeap so no proof.

Thought so. CHINESE pics are bogus...
 
Already did, Post 2210. Indian Army soldier wearing Casual shoes ?? :))..

So what if he is wearing casual shoes?. During the Kargil war the Indian media reported that many of your soldiers could not afford any shoes.
 
So what if he is wearing casual shoes?. During the Kargil war the Indian media reported that many of your soldiers could not afford any shoes.

No soldier will be sent out with casual shoes/runners, at worst they would be given recycled boots etc.

Sorry cant trust Chinese media images, unless you can prove otherwise...
 
No soldier will be sent out with casual shoes/runners, at worst they would be given recycled boots etc.

Sorry cant trust Chinese media images, unless you can prove otherwise...

It is for the doubter to prove the pic is fake, that's you. As I have said your soldiers have posted video's crying and complaining about poor food. Never mind the shoes when the state of Indian soldiers is so poor. A pic is never proved to be right rather those questioning it need to prove it as fake. The Indian media is on a different level when it comes to lies.
 
It is for the doubter to prove the pic is fake, that's you. As I have said your soldiers have posted video's crying and complaining about poor food. Never mind the shoes when the state of Indian soldiers is so poor. A pic is never proved to be right rather those questioning it need to prove it as fake. The Indian media is on a different level when it comes to lies.

I am thoroughly satisfied with evidence provided on the above post I mentioned showing the Chinese morphing skills.

The Chinese media is on a different level when it comes to lies :angel:
 
I am thoroughly satisfied with evidence provided on the above post I mentioned showing the Chinese morphing skills.

The Chinese media is on a different level when it comes to lies :angel:

There is no evidence at all to suggest the pic is fake. It is the Indian media that is called "Modi media" and "fake news". Even many Indian analysts are saying China is hammering us cos they are!:maqsood
 
There is no evidence at all to suggest the pic is fake. It is the Indian media that is called "Modi media" and "fake news". Even many Indian analysts are saying China is hammering us cos they are!:maqsood

There is no evidence at all to suggest the pics from the Chinese are authentic. It is the "Chinese media" and "fake news". Even the Russians and Americans are saying China lost most soldiers than the Indians during the border tussle that occurred. I believe Russian sources aka the Chinese ally quoted China lost around 40 soldiers :maqsood
 
There is no evidence at all to suggest the pics from the Chinese are authentic. It is the "Chinese media" and "fake news". Even the Russians and Americans are saying China lost most soldiers than the Indians during the border tussle that occurred. I believe Russian sources aka the Chinese ally quoted China lost around 40 soldiers :maqsood

Indian media has repeatedly been caught lying about some Pakistani in India about to attack or some Pak official sitting on the fifth floor of an Afghan hotel. How about showing video games of evidence that Pak fighter jets are flying over Afghanistan:wy Do you deny all this? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-59006615. Why should anyone believe the Indian media when even the west laughs at them?:maqsood China is sitting in Ladakh even the American's says so. No one other then the Indian media has questioned the authenticity of the recently released Chinese pics.
 
Indian media has repeatedly been caught lying about some Pakistani in India about to attack or some Pak official sitting on the fifth floor of an Afghan hotel. How about showing video games of evidence that Pak fighter jets are flying over Afghanistan:wy Do you deny all this? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-59006615. Why should anyone believe the Indian media when even the west laughs at them?:maqsood China is sitting in Ladakh even the American's says so. No one other then the Indian media has questioned the authenticity of the recently released Chinese pics.


So basically no evidence that Chinese pics are authentic :maqsood..
 
So basically no evidence that Chinese pics are authentic :maqsood..

Evidence is that the Indian media has been repeatedly exposed as being liars! Your evidence is that the Indian soldiers shoes weren't right!:))):))) Send him your heels:hamster:
 
Evidence is that the Indian media has been repeatedly exposed as being liars! Your evidence is that the Indian soldiers shoes weren't right!:))):))) Send him your heels:hamster:

Chinese media has been repeatedly exposed as being liars! Your lack of evidence of the Chinese pics being authentic is quite telling :))) :))) Send China your concerns for a better morphed fake photos in the future. :hamster:
 
Chinese media has been repeatedly exposed as being liars! Your lack of evidence of the Chinese pics being authentic is quite telling :))) :))) Send China your concerns for a better morphed fake photos in the future. :hamster:

I think it is the spanking by the Chinese that is making Indian people cry bucket loads!:))):))) Other then the Indian media no one else is questioning the pics of Indian soldiers being made to hold their ears and fold their hands in forgiveness!:maqsood You see you keep crying evidence when the pics are staring you on the face! 1 +1 = 2:ssmith Your doubt is based on Indian soldiers wearing the wrong shoes!:13: When Chinese soldiers invade Delhi you'll say they're wearing the wrong jackets!:bobs
 
I think it is the spanking by the Chinese that is making Indian people cry bucket loads!:))):))) Other then the Indian media no one else is questioning the pics of Indian soldiers being made to hold their ears and fold their hands in forgiveness!:maqsood You see you keep crying evidence when the pics are staring you on the face! 1 +1 = 2:ssmith Your doubt is based on Indian soldiers wearing the wrong shoes!:13: When Chinese soldiers invade Delhi you'll say they're wearing the wrong jackets!:bobs

I think it is the spanking by the Indians that is making Chinese media cry bucket loads!:))):))), 40 Chinese soldiers were killed to 20 odd Indian soldiers cited by Russian and American sources :najam Other then the Chinese media no one else barring Chinese stooges believe the pics are authentic :maqsood You see you keep crying evidence when the pics of casual shoes are staring you on the face! 1 +1 = 2:ssmith
 
I think it is the spanking by the Indians that is making Chinese media cry bucket loads!:))):))), 40 Chinese soldiers were killed to 20 odd Indian soldiers cited by Russian and American sources :najam Other then the Chinese media no one else barring Chinese stooges believe the pics are authentic :maqsood You see you keep crying evidence when the pics of casual shoes are staring you on the face! 1 +1 = 2:ssmith

Where are the pics of Indians hammering the Chinese??:bobs I don't see any sources of Chinese soldiers being taken care of by malnourished and hungry Indian soldiers let alone 40:wy. Chinese are showing the pics of what they did to your soldiers so there is no need for anything else. Show me some pics of Indian soldiers doing similar things to Chinese soldiers? I can show you videos of Indian soldiers being pelted by their own generals and crying for decent food too:))

Why would I as a Pakistani cry over either Indian or Chinese soldiers dying? It is hilarious to see your weak soldiers getting whacked by everyone:ashwin
 
Where are the pics of Indians hammering the Chinese??:bobs I don't see any sources of Chinese soldiers being taken care of by malnourished and hungry Indian soldiers let alone 40:wy. Chinese are showing the pics of what they did to your soldiers so there is no need for anything else. Show me some pics of Indian soldiers doing similar things to Chinese soldiers? I can show you videos of Indian soldiers being pelted by their own generals and crying for decent food too:))

Why would I as a Pakistani cry over either Indian or Chinese soldiers dying? It is hilarious to see your weak soldiers getting whacked by everyone:ashwin

Where is the proof that the Chinese pictures are authetic ? :bobs
Chinese are showing the fake pics of what they didnt do to the Indian soldiers so there is no need for anything else.

Why would I as a Pakistani cry over either Indian or Chinese soldiers dying?

Ans) To the bolded, you are not Pakistani, Pakistanis here don't believe you when you say you are Pakistani :))) :sarf2 :maqsood
 
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Where is the proof that the Chinese pictures are authetic ? :bobs
Chinese are showing the fake pics of what they didnt do to the Indian soldiers so there is no need for anything else.

Why would I as a Pakistani cry over either Indian or Chinese soldiers dying?

Ans) To the bolded, you are not Pakistani, Pakistanis here don't believe you when you say you are Pakistani :))) :sarf2 :maqsood

You kidding me?? No one ever asks for the pics to be proved authentic rather they need to be proved unauthentic:maqsood Once again you have to prove they are fake not me to show they are genuine.

If I was Indian would not question these pics. Great and honest people are always called the other, even Mr Jinnah is accused of so much by Pakistanis then who am I?. In your case the Indian RSS hate Gandhi too:ashwin. Calling Kohli better then Babar does make me an Indian:shhh
 
You kidding me?? No one ever asks for the pics to be proved authentic rather they need to be proved unauthentic:maqsood Once again you have to prove they are fake not me to show they are genuine.

If I was Indian would not question these pics. Great and honest people are always called the other, even Mr Jinnah is accused of so much by Pakistanis then who am I?. In your case the Indian RSS hate Gandhi too:ashwin. Calling Kohli better then Babar does make me an Indian:shhh

You kidding me?? Majority of the world never trusts anything coming out of China , pics have been proven to be non authentic as per the video I showed :maqsood . Once again you have to prove they are authentic not me as the casual shoes proves the pics are a bad morphing job by China.

If I was Chinese I would do whatever it took to hide the humilaition of losing 40 of my soldiers by lying to the world with fake pics and fake numbers such as only 4 soldiers dying etc, because after American and Russian sources comfired to the world China lost 40 soldiers while India only lost 20 odd is making me look bad. There is more to it than Kohli/Babar comparison, Mamoon for example loves the entire Indian side and rates Indian side much better than Pakistani side, however no one calls him Indian but Pakistanis here do call you non Pakistan that is saying something:shhh
 
You kidding me?? Majority of the world never trusts anything coming out of China , pics have been proven to be non authentic as per the video I showed :maqsood . Once again you have to prove they are authentic not me as the casual shoes proves the pics are a bad morphing job by China.

If I was Chinese I would do whatever it took to hide the humilaition of losing 40 of my soldiers by lying to the world with fake pics and fake numbers such as only 4 soldiers dying etc, because after American and Russian sources comfired to the world China lost 40 soldiers while India only lost 20 odd is making me look bad. There is more to it than Kohli/Babar comparison, Mamoon for example loves the entire Indian side and rates Indian side much better than Pakistani side, however no one calls him Indian but Pakistanis here do call you non Pakistan that is saying something:shhh

Most pics are indeed authentic so you are in the minority here questioning them just coz your lads are taking a beating!:Dah As I said in Kargil many of your soldiers did not even have shoes, they are poor people who wear non expensive footwear.

You are humiliated when China is slapping your soldiers and sitting in Ladakh, even Rahul Gandhi and Congress admit this. They beat you up recently in Galwan that even the Indian media admitted in return the Chinese lost four soldiers:maqsood Now we full well know that the Indians are no match for the mighty Chinese then why pretend?

A few Pakistanis here may call me an Indian for praising India over certain things, big deal! Would you believe me if i told you I was Chinese??:lee Once again prove the pics are fake also stop stealing my expressions:yk What video did you show me:narine
 
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