China-India standoff and border tension

[Knight_Rider]

Thier Navy don't sleep on it trust me they got that strategy right
None of the countries you mentioned have the kind Navy they have it's the only thing India can compete in China with

There is so much to gain from a powerful Allie in the region

But you are right with geography thing it really doesn't help them that much tbh

Oh acha, how powerful and mighty is the Indian Navy?

Also the important part of china is far away from Indian ocean, where US can deploy its own Airctaft Carriers in Sea of Japan and next to South Korea. There is NOTHING to be gained from having access to Indian ports, when US already has plenty of fleet in Arabian sea.

 

[Local.Dada]

So you're saying if India China went to war border disputes will be solved and than India will come to Pakistan for a war wth???

A war will affect neighbors. Read some history please. LTTE conflict in Srilanka, collateral damage an Indian PM gets assassinated.

Soviet-Afghan war creates mess in Pakistan and some left over Jihadis turn focus to Kashmir conflict .

US-Afghan war again takes a toll on Pakistan.

US-Iraq war and today look at the whole IsIS mess in the neighboring region.

There is always spillage from any war. India-China war means 2 significant world powers going at it. You think neighboring countries leave alone the world won’t be affected?

This isn’t 1962 when no one cared about China leave alone India.

 

[Jeetlodil]

Yeah that's why they need allies so they don't directly confront China

China isn't an uneducated landlord. At the first instance of such allies being formed, it will tighten the financial screws on US and India.
Let me add some more complications :
1)Election year in the US
2) Covid - China is more or less out and US is struggling.

I am not a fan of China but they are sitting at a massive advantage as of today and will be at least till the virus creates havoc world around.

 

[Jeetlodil]

As we debate - please read this too.

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...king-the-us-as-a-financial-and-economic-power

 

[Bigboii]

Forget everything else but how is India not geographically in a strategic location?

China and US are the 2 power centers in the world.

If any country has potential to compete with China or keep China in check it is india in this region being the biggest economy of that region minus China.

Why do you think Saudi and other countries give Modi all these civilian awards despite ironically Modi being the biggest poster boy of Islamophobia probably in the world?

Also geographically located is a thing of the past now.

Let me give you an example, few years ago I had Twitter stock. When the financials were announced twitter met and in fact exceeded all expectations. Stock price should go up right? Wrong. It went down because their user base had decreased quarter over quarter. Guess which country has the most active user base on social media? This may sound silly but all these things add up. As Indian middle class purchasing power gradually increases it makes it that much more indispensable for the west or any country with economic interests.

I can give you plenty of such examples.

Wow calm down only one thing about geography and you wrote a long a** Chill out bro no one said anything about the economy or the middle I was just talking millitarically btw I meant almost exactly the same thing you are saying but I don't know the reason for the long ah essay

I mean think about if Saudi and Japan had same powers who would you rather have confronting China, Japan right but if Saudi had a good Navy (makes a huge difference in today's world) would you be like no you are not important don't help out of course not that Navy can change the balance of power in south China Sea

 

[Local.Dada]

China isn't an uneducated landlord. At the first instance of such allies being formed, it will tighten the financial screws on US and India.
Let me add some more complications :
1)Election year in the US
2) Covid - China is more or less out and US is struggling.

I am not a fan of China but they are sitting at a massive advantage as of today and will be at least till the virus creates havoc world around.

By the same account, China is all about business as you said . No one is their friend including Pakistan or US.

There is right now a bias (unjustified on the common folk but justified on the Chinese government for letting the virus spread to the world)

Obviously no one is going to cut all ties with China overnight given the power they yield but don’t you think China will try to do a lot of damage control to become the good guy again? May be they don’t see the need now but in 5-10 years if they don’t repair that perception they will feel the impact of what happened. This is not an isolated incident. This iris has singlehandedly changed the world as we knew.

China is not off the hook yet.

I am not saying this because this is a India-China conflict thread to vilify China but every person with a little common sense knows China screwed up due to which the world has suffered.

 

[Bigboii]

Oh acha, how powerful and mighty is the Indian Navy?

Also the important part of china is far away from Indian ocean, where US can deploy its own Airctaft Carriers in Sea of Japan and next to South Korea. There is NOTHING to be gained from having access to Indian ports, when US already has plenty of fleet in Arabian sea.

It's pretty good tbh their army is straight trash not gonna lie just a bunch of numbers that's all so don't want them mixing up

There will be no war it's all about power projection if China see an equal Navy power in its seas which with the help of Japan let alone US can dominante them and block ports or cut off supply than say good bye to army, air force cause they cant be supplied

This makes them careful about doing funky things in south China Sea

 

[Jeetlodil]

By the same account, China is all about business as you said . No one is their friend including Pakistan or US.

There is right now a bias (unjustified on the common folk but justified on the Chinese government for letting the virus spread to the world)

Obviously no one is going to cut all ties with China overnight given the power they yield but don’t you think China will try to do a lot of damage control to become the good guy again? May be they don’t see the need now but in 5-10 years if they don’t repair that perception they will feel the impact of what happened. This is not an isolated incident. This iris has singlehandedly changed the world as we knew.

China is not off the hook yet.

I am not saying this because this is a India-China conflict thread to vilify China but every person with a little common sense knows China screwed up due to which the world has suffered.

Common sense is not that they screwed up by that it is a disease which spread. That is how most governments will take it. Once the dust settles it will all be on business sense, not sentiment. What you are saying can happen. To me that will be an over reaction and not common sense. And I would have expected it to happen by now. Only statements and really nothing actionable against China. Governments are blaming China in words to hide their own inefficiencies.

 

[Knight_Rider]

It's pretty good tbh their army is straight trash not gonna lie just a bunch of numbers that's all so don't want them mixing up

There will be no war it's all about power projection if China see an equal Navy power in its seas which with the help of Japan let alone US can dominante them and block ports or cut off supply than say good bye to army, air force cause they cant be supplied

This makes them careful about doing funky things in south China Sea

Japan is already a declared US ally, is located right next to the “main part” of China. Japanese navy has more aircraft Carriers than India and looking at Wikipedia seems better equipped as well.

Therefore indian navy is of little to no significance in threatening china, which itself is vastly superior to India in terms of military equipment.

 

[Local.Dada]

Common sense is not that they screwed up by that it is a disease which spread. That is how most governments will take it. Once the dust settles it will all be on business sense, not sentiment. What you are saying can happen. To me that will be an over reaction and not common sense. And I would have expected it to happen by now. Only statements and really nothing actionable against China. Governments are blaming China in words to hide their own inefficiencies.

Bat eating and creating in the lab is far reaching but China did not shut down international travel that’s a proven fact.

While the countries that received these travelers should have also monitored them, China is equally at fault of not more.There is no conspiracy theory here. It was pure incompetence of most governments but equally reckless from Chinese government.

Of course Business and finance trumps everything else. There is already talks of some small businesses moving out of China but obviously if they find no alternative they will go back crawling to them.

However this is also the best opening for the developing world in years to take some business from China.

If you think China will have no impact from this virus and everything will be business as usual pre COVID than that is totally wrong.

 

[Jeetlodil]

Also to keep in mind. US is a dangerous ally. It can truly suck up wealth and resources in the name of friendship. No matter which government India will have its reservations before building ties with US. India will be looking to amicably resolve India China disputes without foreign intervention. India has to keep the northern conflict in perspective.

 

[Jeetlodil]

Bat eating and creating in the lab is far reaching but China did not shut down international travel that’s a proven fact.

While the countries that received these travelers should have also monitored them, China is equally at fault of not more.There is no conspiracy theory here. It was pure incompetence of most governments but equally reckless from Chinese government.

Of course Business and finance trumps everything else. There is already talks of some small businesses moving out of China but obviously if they find no alternative they will go back crawling to them.

However this is also the best opening for the developing world in years to take some business from China.

If you think China will have no impact from this virus and everything will be business as usual pre COVID than that is totally wrong.

Its not wrong dude. Its happening as of today. China is open. Compare that to top 10 affected countries. A reasonable assumption is that it was a disease which spread. You are trying to find out intentions in it. Business don't move out on sentiment. Its a false narrative created in India. Your post is full of hope. May it become true for your good. I don't see that happening. Good luck.

 

[Local.Dada]

Japan is already a declared US ally, is located right next to the “main part” of China. Japanese navy has more aircraft Carriers than India and looking at Wikipedia seems better equipped as well.

Therefore indian navy is of little to no significance in threatening china, which itself is vastly superior to India in terms of military equipment.

Firstly keeping aside the empty rhetoric and lack of substance, why would it matter if China has a superior army? There is no war going on.

Trust me India has component diplomats and bureaucrats capable of deescalating this without any damage. You think Modi or his team will stick to tweeting and calling Eleven (that’s what I like to call him ) various names?

So yes man to man combat China might beat India but there is not going to any war here. Sorry to disappoint. India will be back to bullying whom they easily can

 

[Local.Dada]

Its not wrong dude. Its happening as of today. China is open. Compare that to top 10 affected countries. A reasonable assumption is that it was a disease which spread. You are trying to find out intentions in it. Business don't move out on sentiment. Its a false narrative created in India. Your post is full of hope. May it become true for your good. I don't see that happening. Good luck.

I don’t live in India firstly and sure let’s hope India can take advantage of it. There is a strong Anti-China sentiment in the USA at least. Unfortunately in the US that would be directed where it won’t matter on maybe the common immigrants.

I am just pointing out to China’s recklessness. I am not saying they did it on purpose. I am not going into conspiracy theories. Pointing out what actually happened.

There is no narrative here. If you think that post COVID China’s reputation has only become better or has had no change, then good for you. It’s a subjective debate at this point so I will leave you at that.

 

[from_da_lost_dim3nsion]

Not sure what the end game here is for some Pakistani origin posters?

China is stronger than India in military I would assume based on China’s influence and power. I am no defense expert but that would be common sense.

However one thing let me remind folk here Modi is not going to be a keyboard warrior or a social media messiah. You can take that in writing/typing.

Let’s revisit the usual dig against Modi for being a chaiwala. For most folk On here I would assume they know a thing or 2 about how our desi culture works. Not Arab or Turkish but pure desi sc culture when it comes to people in power. How many people you know in the SC who are in prominent positions of power in some low level government entity without any family background, reference or influence?

Now imagine a guy who is a chaiwala worked his way into being the CM of a prosperous state and then ended up as being the leader of the worlds largest democracy. He has been taking decisions with an iron fist left and right without a care for the world.

Bravado or not, that’s Modi for you. The last guy who will backdown or run away with the tail between his legs.

Lot of Pakistanis claim the whole Abhinandan incident as some moral victory but what does Modi do, immediately removes Article 370 to even more openly taunt his opponents.

Obviously this will be resolved diplomatically but if push comes to shove,India under Modi is the last force that would back down regardless of what may be the end result.

So yeah don’t be wishing for some kind of a confrontation because that would be an excuse to resolve a lot of border disputes at once.

In 1965 after the 1962 war defeat,Indian army was marching into Lahore to put an end to it.

So for all the war hungry guys having a blast sitting in the safety of their quarantine, let’s hope this doesn’t blow in anyone’s face (no pun intended)

I like popcorn .

 

[Slog]

What you want Indian media to do? Report this story when there is absolutely nothing to report. I know my fellow Pakistanis desperately wants Chinese Army to attack India and do the job on behalf of Pak army. But there is a difference between pipe dream and reality. Few posters in this thread itself caught spreading fake news that Chinese Army have captured 60km of India.

Let me emphatically state this again - Not a single Chinese Army inside Indian territory. There are some border skirmish going on but nothing more than that. I love the enthusiasm of Pakiatanis om social media who are desperately trying to make something out if nothing.

India itself is claiming Chinese are in Indian territory and you’re here on Pakpassion saying they’re not?

You know more than indian official sources?

 

[Jeetlodil]

I don’t live in India firstly and sure let’s hope India can take advantage of it. There is a strong Anti-China sentiment in the USA at least. Unfortunately in the US that would be directed where it won’t matter on maybe the common immigrants.

I am just pointing out to China’s recklessness. I am not saying they did it on purpose. I am not going into conspiracy theories. Pointing out what actually happened.

There is no narrative here. If you think that post COVID China’s reputation has only become better or has had no change, then good for you. It’s a subjective debate at this point so I will leave you at that.

Not reputation. Position of strength has become better. It was good even before Covid w.r.t US or India. It has only gotten better.

 

[Knight_Rider]

Firstly keeping aside the empty rhetoric and lack of substance, why would it matter if China has a superior army? There is no war going on.

Trust me India has component diplomats and bureaucrats capable of deescalating this without any damage. You think Modi or his team will stick to tweeting and calling Eleven (that’s what I like to call him ) various names?

So yes man to man combat China might beat India but there is not going to any war here. Sorry to disappoint. India will be back to bullying whom they easily can

You may ve missed the context.
The Context of the discussion is that US looking for a strong military ally in Asia to exert pressure on China. Otherwise we know that India is no match to China on its own.

As for bullying those who India can, iss meh kya rakha hai? How long can it go on for?
India (and Hindus) should get over their anti-muslim psychological issues. Anyway the nukes have created a stalemate between India & Pakistan.

Indians should embrace Pakistanis as their blood brothers and create some kind of close union within sub-contient. We are the same people, just with different religions. This is the only way forward.

 

[Local.Dada]

You may ve missed the context.
The Context of the discussion is that US looking for a strong military ally in Asia to exert pressure on China. Otherwise we know that India is no match to China on its own.

As for bullying those who India can, iss meh kya rakha hai? How long can it go on for?
India (and Hindus) should get over their anti-muslim psychological issues. Anyway the nukes have created a stalemate between India & Pakistan.

Indians should embrace Pakistanis as their blood brothers and create some kind of close union within sub-contient. We are the same people, just with different religions. This is the only way forward.

Your last paragraph is probably the best thing you have said in a long time. Agree a 100%

 

[pakistani pride]

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

 

[Lonewarrior]

so can any indian poster tell me , why India needs US to back it up in this situation ? i though india have 2nd largest army in the world and it wont need any country backup .....

If Pakistan is capable enough to take on India all alone, thn whats this Indian behavior to looking at US .... ?

 

[Nostalgic]

Could the Chinese capture enough of Leh to cut off the Humsaaya Mulk’s supply routes to Siachen? I’ll forgive them for Corona if they do.

 

[Rana]

You may ve missed the context.
The Context of the discussion is that US looking for a strong military ally in Asia to exert pressure on China. Otherwise we know that India is no match to China on its own.

As for bullying those who India can, iss meh kya rakha hai? How long can it go on for?
India (and Hindus) should get over their anti-muslim psychological issues. Anyway the nukes have created a stalemate between India & Pakistan.

Indians should embrace Pakistanis as their blood brothers and create some kind of close union within sub-contient. We are the same people, just with different religions. This is the only way forward.

To them we are cheap people who love terrorism. It is sad to see a generation of young children In India who will grow up thinking that we are sworn enemies.

 

[Bigboii]

A war will affect neighbors. Read some history please. LTTE conflict in Srilanka, collateral damage an Indian PM gets assassinated.

Soviet-Afghan war creates mess in Pakistan and some left over Jihadis turn focus to Kashmir conflict .

US-Afghan war again takes a toll on Pakistan.

US-Iraq war and today look at the whole IsIS mess in the neighboring region.

There is always spillage from any war. India-China war means 2 significant world powers going at it. You think neighboring countries leave alone the world won’t be affected?

This isn’t 1962 when no one cared about China leave alone India.

I can assure you with thousand percent confidance that I would know more about history than 99% of people around not trying to brag but that's one of the "few" things I am confident that I am pretty good at

I am not going to drag this further but I am pretty sure tone was more like a warning borderline jingoistic where if we go to war with China we'll get beat up but than we'll come to beat pak up cause that's what happened in 1965 after '62 (which is a wierd way to look at it cause reasons for both wars were very different)

 

[Bigboii]

A war will affect neighbors. Read some history please. LTTE conflict in Srilanka, collateral damage an Indian PM gets assassinated.

Soviet-Afghan war creates mess in Pakistan and some left over Jihadis turn focus to Kashmir conflict .

US-Afghan war again takes a toll on Pakistan.

US-Iraq war and today look at the whole IsIS mess in the neighboring region.

There is always spillage from any war. India-China war means 2 significant world powers going at it. You think neighboring countries leave alone the world won’t be affected?

This isn’t 1962 when no one cared about China leave alone India.

I can assure you with thousand percent confidance that I would know more about history than 99% of people around not trying to brag but that's one of the "few" things I am confident that I am pretty good at

I am not going to drag this further but I am pretty sure tone was more like a warning borderline jingoistic where if we go to war with China we'll get beat up but than we'll come to beat pak up cause that's what happened in 1965 after '62 (which is a wierd way to look at it cause reasons for both wars were very different)

 

[Slog]

If nothing else, Modi’s given indians fake bravado. Eventhough it’s fake and unjustified it is still bravado nonetheless which was lacked for centuries

 

[Sirris]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Will the spin-doctors among Indian diplomatic corps still insist that PLA is on the right side of the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LAC?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LAC</a>? <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/IndiaChinaFaceOff?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#IndiaChinaFaceOff</a><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Ladakh?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Ladakh</a><br><br>US Foreign Affairs Panel Chief Slams "Chinese Aggression" Against India<a href="https://t.co/WIWkI8ToNb">https://t.co/WIWkI8ToNb</a></p>— Ghazala Wahab (@ghazalawahab) <a href="https://twitter.com/ghazalawahab/status/1267653467520155648?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 2, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[JaDed]

so can any indian poster tell me , why India needs US to back it up in this situation ? i though india have 2nd largest army in the world and it wont need any country backup .....

If Pakistan is capable enough to take on India all alone, thn whats this Indian behavior to looking at US .... ?

Did we ask them for help? Lip wording even Pakistan keeps asking from OPEC, USA, how many times does Qureshi keeps whining?I'm sure if google his news it would be something about India.

Diplomatically India needs to showcase China's aggression esp to USA,France and other media powerful countries , not asking for Arms help but always good to have technologically advanced countries on your side diplomatically.
I would say we should make EU,Israel and Russia acknowledge if we haven't already.

 

[JaDed]

If nothing else, Modi’s given indians fake bravado. Eventhough it’s fake and unjustified it is still bravado nonetheless which was lacked for centuries

This is not about fake bravado, even during Congress rule they wouldn't had let China take over Ladakh, yeah Congress wouldn't had even tried to built the road though which I wonder if was more of an Army decision than BJP.

 

[Sirris]

So difficult to get to facts but something must be off that even the major is counting all the international support India is getting right now

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It’s not just US. Japan, Australia, India, Taiwan, Malaysia, UK, EU...everyone is coming together against China. This opposition is public & vocal.<br><br>Very soon, China will have only the two usual suspects standing with it - North Korea and Pakistan.<a href="https://t.co/fuoSrl7Hlv">https://t.co/fuoSrl7Hlv</a></p>— Major Gaurav Arya (Retd) (@majorgauravarya) <a href="https://twitter.com/majorgauravarya/status/1267652192447508480?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 2, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Nostalgic]

Is it true that the road that is apparently the source of the latest exchanges could potentially be used to threaten GB?

 

[Lonewarrior]

Did we ask them for help? Lip wording even Pakistan keeps asking from OPEC, USA, how many times does Qureshi keeps whining?I'm sure if google his news it would be something about India.

Diplomatically India needs to showcase China's aggression esp to USA,France and other media powerful countries , not asking for Arms help but always good to have technologically advanced countries on your side diplomatically.
I would say we should make EU,Israel and Russia acknowledge if we haven't already.

Pakistan having small army and bad reputation all over the world needs backup , thats make sense .... even thn we dont care about what west or US think when it comes to India ....

but why India needs backup becoz it already have good reputation with all countries, i thought you can take on China without any hesitation ....
Instead looking for backup .....

 

[Firebat]

U.S. rebukes China for border 'aggression' with India

NEW DELHI/SRINAGAR (Reuters) - U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and a senior congressional leader have reprimanded China for bullying behaviour towards India during a military standoff on their disputed border.

Thousands of Indian and Chinese troops have faced each other for weeks at three or four locations in the western Himalayas after Beijing’s forces intruded into Indian territory, according to Indian security officials and local media.

China denies it breached the “Line of Actual Control”, as the 3,488 km de facto border is known, and says there is stability in the area near the Galwan River and Pangong Tso lake in the remote snow deserts of India’s Ladakh region.

In comments released by the State Department, Pompeo told the American Enterprise Institute thinktank that China’s moving of troops to the line of control echoed similarly heavy-handed behaviour over the coronavirus, South China Sea and Hong Kong.

“These are the kinds of actions that authoritarian regimes take,” he said.

One possible trigger for frictions is India’s construction of a road near the Galwan valley to narrow the gap with China’s superior network of roads that it built years ago, Indian and foreign military experts say. China is opposed to any Indian construction in the area, saying it is disputed territory.

The chairman of the U.S. House Committee on Foreign Affairs, Eliot Engel, said China should respect norms and use diplomacy to settle the border issue with India.

“I am extremely concerned by the ongoing Chinese aggression along the Line of Actual Control,” he said.

“China is demonstrating once again that it is willing to bully its neighbours rather than resolve conflicts according to international law,” he added in a statement on Monday.

Soldiers are billeted in tents and both sides have brought in artillery and other heavy equipment to back them up, Indian officials said. India has also started construction of an emergency landing strip near the main highway of Kashmir which adjoins Ladakh.

Konchok Stanzin, a resident of Lukung village on the Indian side, about 40 kilometres from the border, said thousands of Indian troops had arrived in the last week alone.

“There is panic in the village as the area has never seen such a military buildup,” he said.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...or-border-aggression-with-india-idUSKBN2391XC

 

[Romali_rotti]

hahaha..what did you expect. we are desis.

As for the Sukhoi it is the most overrated money pit I have ever seen. I don't understand why nations buy it. Everything it does is on paper. I guess HAL being a public sector employer needs to ensure employment for its people. In combat Russian aircraft have an appalling record. I cant remember the last time a russian aircraft shot down a western aircraft..

what do you make of the IAF confirming the end of their MMRCA (i think that was the programme) tender and going with their Tejas? another scam from the public sector babus?

GK,

Please watch from 7:00 onwards, Abhijit perfectly sums up India's Sukhoi dilemma, great video overall if you have time to watch the whole thing. I had the pleasure of meeting Abhijit when he was in Melbourne a while back, his knowledge on defence is excellent. The one positive thing is China itself only has Russian jets or copied versions of it, so PLAAF maybe just as bad as India's AF.


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[JaDed]

Pakistan having small army and bad reputation all over the world needs backup , thats make sense .... even thn we dont care about what west or US think when it comes to India ....

but why India needs backup becoz it already have good reputation with all countries, i thought you can take on China without any hesitation ....
Instead looking for backup .....

It's more than that..it's about playing the cards properly , and making sure China's aggression is noted. Germany is still not saying anything against China only major country, its about getting them on table as well Corona,Hong Kong has made them wary, this could push them to finally speak.

Every country needs diplomatic backup except Russia,US, they are the only two countries that don't exactly need diplomacy.

If this was happening an year ago no one would even noted Chinese aggression, but after Hong Kong and covid why should India miss this opportunity.

 

[Local.Dada]

Pakistan having small army and bad reputation all over the world needs backup , thats make sense .... even thn we dont care about what west or US think when it comes to India ....

but why India needs backup becoz it already have good reputation with all countries, i thought you can take on China without any hesitation ....
Instead looking for backup .....

Dude, you claim to be a defense analyst right?

Didn’t British and Canadian troops fight in Afghan and Iraq alongside Americans?

In fact Pakistan was supporting US war both in the 80s and 2000’s, so is US a lalloo army for needing backup or resources from a Country like Pakistan?

Also if it comes to a 1-1 war like situation you think China won’t use Pakistan army support from India?

Kuch bhi bolta hai. I hope you are a self proclaimed analyst and not really working on any sensitive data for your country’s sake.

 

[Lonewarrior]

It's more than that..it's about playing the cards properly , and making sure China's aggression is noted. Germany is still not saying anything against China only major country, its about getting them on table as well Corona,Hong Kong has made them wary, this could push them to finally speak.

Every country needs diplomatic backup except Russia,US, they are the only two countries that don't exactly need diplomacy.

If this was happening an year ago no one would even noted Chinese aggression, but after Hong Kong and covid why should India miss this opportunity.

hmmm ok. thanks for the explanation, need to know the indian posters perspective .....

Dude, you claim to be a defense analyst right?

Didn’t British and Canadian troops fight in Afghan and Iraq alongside Americans?

In fact Pakistan was supporting US war both in the 80s and 2000’s, so is US a lalloo army for needing backup or resources from a Country like Pakistan?

Also if it comes to a 1-1 war like situation you think China won’t use Pakistan army support from India?

Kuch bhi bolta hai. I hope you are a self proclaimed analyst and not really working on any sensitive data for your country’s sake.

and for you my friend, i never said i work for govt as defense analyst , i work for private Institute ....
also, i dont need to tell you whats my qualification and what i do for living ....
it was question for Indian ppers, need to know thre perspective, thre thoughts etc etc ..... why are you feeling heat with some simple questions .....

 

[Adijazz1706]

Dude, you claim to be a defense analyst right?

Didn’t British and Canadian troops fight in Afghan and Iraq alongside Americans?

In fact Pakistan was supporting US war both in the 80s and 2000’s, so is US a lalloo army for needing backup or resources from a Country like Pakistan?

Also if it comes to a 1-1 war like situation you think China won’t use Pakistan army support from India?

Kuch bhi bolta hai. I hope you are a self proclaimed analyst and not really working on any sensitive data for your country’s sake.

Dadaji you need to chill, it was tongue-in-cheek to trigger some volatile Indian PPers and it worked

 

[Rana]

So difficult to get to facts but something must be off that even the major is counting all the international support India is getting right now

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It’s not just US. Japan, Australia, India, Taiwan, Malaysia, UK, EU...everyone is coming together against China. This opposition is public & vocal.<br><br>Very soon, China will have only the two usual suspects standing with it - North Korea and Pakistan.<a href="https://t.co/fuoSrl7Hlv">https://t.co/fuoSrl7Hlv</a></p>— Major Gaurav Arya (Retd) (@majorgauravarya) <a href="https://twitter.com/majorgauravarya/status/1267652192447508480?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 2, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Major Gaurav Arya is a Bollywood a**clown general. This is the guy who believes Kashmiris can be integrated into India through Bollywood. He gives such a soft image to the Indian Army

 

[Lonewarrior]

Major Gaurav Arya is a Bollywood a**clown general. This is the guy who believes Kashmiris can be integrated into India through Bollywood. He gives such a soft image to the Indian Army

can you plz share the clip ....

 

[m.shah]

It looks like all the army from kashmir is moving towards Ladakh. Today I had to wait 30 minutes to allow the army convoy to pass ladakh via pattan.

 

[Slog]

This is not about fake bravado, even during Congress rule they wouldn't had let China take over Ladakh, yeah Congress wouldn't had even tried to built the road though which I wonder if was more of an Army decision than BJP.

No I mean the average indian. On Twitter it seems like India is in a position to destroy China if it wants to which couldn’t be further from the truth. This is called fake bravado imo.

 

[Nostalgic]

If you got it, flaunt it. If you ain’t got it, fake it till you got it.

 

[Kianig89]

Danke.China india also has fought on multiple borders now

 

[JaDed]

No I mean the average indian. On Twitter it seems like India is in a position to destroy China if it wants to which couldn’t be further from the truth. This is called fake bravado imo.

Oh ok that was probably there before as well in the local tea shops,uncle talks, just no medium to express it.

 

[Local.Dada]

can you plz share the clip ....

Hopefully he will be able to provide a more legitimate news

Major Arya seems to have really triggered you

 

[Adijazz1706]

It looks like all the army from kashmir is moving towards Ladakh. Today I had to wait 30 minutes to allow the army convoy to pass ladakh via pattan.

Looks lime the much hyped IBG of Rawat is in action

 

[Local.Dada]

Major Gaurav Arya is a Bollywood a**clown general. This is the guy who believes Kashmiris can be integrated into India through Bollywood. He gives such a soft image to the Indian Army

Yeah that’s impossible. Remember Zaira Wasim from Kashmir who found “religion” thanks to “feedback” from her “elders” after tasting success and being a potential next big thing in Bollywood. The major definitely got it wrong there.

 

[IAJ]

Lol, Indian Media are starting a new trend now #BoycottChina. Honestly, one thing is pride, but a total different thing is arrogance.

 

[Rana]

can you plz share the clip ....

https://youtu.be/67_OOy_jSLc

Watch from 4 minutes onwards. He basically argues that the issue with Kashmiris is Islamic radicalisation which is in line with the narrative provided to them from Pakistan. And one of the solutions to abstain from that narrative is to make more cinemas in Kashmir, otherwise the youth would end up doing other stuff

Absolute A**clown on the level of Sunny Deol or Ajay Devgan. This is one of his published solutions to the Kashmir identity issue

 

[cricketjoshila]

Don't know what you mean to stay but you are also listing the problems I listed. Except you don't agree to the Ex GOC Northern Command. You need to factor that countries do no accept their failures easily. More so this Modi government.

What has Modi done about Aksai Chin than mere consideration. One can consider entire China to be his or hers. Its all in the mind.

China gave same treatment in Wuhan but China was also the aggressor. This government kept on abusing earlier governments on visiting Pakistan. Modi can go anywhere and that country is allowed to attack India?

You did not get the point. Nepal making noise is embarrassing for India. Its a Hindu country and tiny winy one next to India.

With the way Modi and his government fudges numbers on your face, they day is not far when he will claim victory over China where as in reality a good part of Arunachal and Ladakh is already with China. Then considerations will start. Good luck.

Ex GoC is also associated with a political party. His views are not unbiased.

What has China done about Sikkim or Arunachal? China claims these territories as south tibet.

Nepal is a sovereign country, its present maoist communist govt was funded by chinese during the Maoist insurgency in Nepal.

Which part of Arunachal and Ladakh has been taken during Modi regime?

 

[JaDed]

https://youtu.be/67_OOy_jSLc

Watch from 4 minutes onwards. He basically argues that the issue with Kashmiris is Islamic radicalisation which is in line with the narrative provided to them from Pakistan. And one of the solutions to abstain from that narrative is to make more cinemas in Kashmir, otherwise the youth would end up doing other stuff

Absolute A**clown on the level of Sunny Deol or Ajay Devgan. This is one of his published solutions to the Kashmir identity issue

Sunny Deol and Ajay Devgan are actually much better people than others in the industry, they keep to themselves and make movies not sure what you are talking about.

 

[cricketjoshila]

LMAO. khaiyali pulao. all spread by BJP IT cell. Let US try my friend. China has America by its balls. POTUS may blow the trumpet but can do nothing against China. Be realistic. Not in some fantasy worlds created by IT cells.

Chinese exports to US are down by a huge margin. China lives by selling stuff to US and its allies.

https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/www....-down-almost-50-percent-from-2-years-ago/amp/

Name a few trillion dollar economies which are aligned to China against the US,except Russia.

You can live in your fantasy world where xinnie tye pooh is the next Alexander, he is not.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Its not about the military power. Financially China has a good amount of US debt. It creates political leverage which will not go away in years. US cannot afford to mess with China.

If China sells off that debt, held in bonds, how will it impact China?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Look at the map to see where India is located in the world and the penny will drop.

A US base in Andaman will be able to choke the straits of Malacca. Another in Kashmir will be able to overlook the CPEC.

 

[King-Misbah]

A US base in Andaman will be able to choke the straits of Malacca. Another in Kashmir will be able to overlook the CPEC.

Why is CPEC worrying to Indians?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Why is CPEC worrying to Indians?

It passes through Kashmir, which according to us is our territory.

 

[Jeetlodil]

If China sells off that debt, held in bonds, how will it impact China?

It will peg the dollar too and the world will go into recession along with China. In parallels, Point is US will not go nuclear because it knows China can go nuclear too. Unless entire world is up for destruction. Understand deterrence..

 

[Adijazz1706]

After Doklam was used by the Chinese as an excuse for massive military buildup in Tibet and weaning Bhutan away from Indian influence, I wonder what this standoff will be used for and whether Nepal's Kalapani push will lead to Chines incursions in that area. Unclear as to which concessions China can manage to get here

 

[Lonewarrior]

Hopefully he will be able to provide a more legitimate news

Major Arya seems to have really triggered you

lol @ triggered .... i have seen and met enough such kind of people in my life ....

he doesnt know jack about Pakistan and its Army, all his views and opinions are already available on main stream indian media ,,,, hes only milking the Indian media/Public for the living ....
no wonder he couldnt go further thn the post of Major .....

as [MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION] says hes a@@ Clown ,,,,,
such Clowns are known to provide entertainment ....

 

[Lonewarrior]

https://youtu.be/67_OOy_jSLc

Watch from 4 minutes onwards. He basically argues that the issue with Kashmiris is Islamic radicalisation which is in line with the narrative provided to them from Pakistan. And one of the solutions to abstain from that narrative is to make more cinemas in Kashmir, otherwise the youth would end up doing other stuff

Absolute A**clown on the level of Sunny Deol or Ajay Devgan. This is one of his published solutions to the Kashmir identity issue

thanks for sharing .... )

 

[Local.Dada]

lol @ triggered .... i have seen and met enough such kind of people in my life ....

he doesnt know jack about Pakistan and its Army, all his views and opinions are already available on main stream indian media ,,,, hes only milking the Indian media/Public for the living ....
no wonder he couldnt go further thn the post of Major .....

as [MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION] says hes a@@ Clown ,,,,,
such Clowns are known to provide entertainment ....

And still you went out of your way to post fake news and a photo shop pic of him

 

[Lonewarrior]

And still you went out of your way to post fake news and a photo shop pic of him

the gulfnews posted the news, it was true, and i am not sure about pics , indian fans were gone into shock and eiditing his wikipedia page from last 48 hours ....
for me and other reader hes a criminal .... maybe not for ....

 

[Rana]

https://youtu.be/ecj_6AKKE6w

The fake Major strikes again

Reminds me of a ‘passionate’ poster here

 

[Knight_Rider]

A US base in Andaman will be able to choke the straits of Malacca. Another in Kashmir will be able to overlook the CPEC.

For that there would be better candidates in Andaman. There are plenty of cheaper, desperate and closer located countries in Southeast asia.

CPEC india can do nothing about, kew k Nukes will be out quickly and China will strangle india by the neck.

 

[Knight_Rider]

It passes through Kashmir, which according to us is our territory.

Dream on.

 

[Iqbal'sh]

Common sense is not that they screwed up by that it is a disease which spread. That is how most governments will take it. Once the dust settles it will all be on business sense, not sentiment. What you are saying can happen. To me that will be an over reaction and not common sense. And I would have expected it to happen by now. Only statements and really nothing actionable against China. Governments are blaming China in words to hide their own inefficiencies.

Indian government and it’s people (& media) wanted to create / ride on a anti-Chinese sentiment ever since this virus took hold.
That’s the reason I witnessed anchors on Indian news channels literally begging WHO spokespeople to defame and/or lay the blame on the Chinese authorities.
That’s the reason why Modi is trying to woo foreign investors to shift from China to Shining India. It’s the only reason he announced the recent news about major development funds for Indian businesses. It’s all a falsehood and a con just like most of India’s previous narratives which are now being exposed.
The Chinese are well aware of Indian designs and won’t be sitting hands behind their backs.

 

[Knight_Rider]

In the business and trade world the only 1 thing that matters is the money. As long as Chinese Manufacturing is cheaper, scalable and better than India’s. Thats where foreign investment will go.

Ethics, social responsibility and Human rights wont change anything if the economic reasons are there to make things in China.

Therefore all this Show and dance by Indian media is futile.

 

[cricketjoshila]

It will peg the dollar too and the world will go into recession along with China. In parallels, Point is US will not go nuclear because it knows China can go nuclear too. Unless entire world is up for destruction. Understand deterrence..

US has enough allies, GCC, European nations who will be willing to buy that debt. How many big ecomomies are US allies?

China though will be massively hit economically.

US can and will strangle China economically.

 

[cricketjoshila]

For that there would be better candidates in Andaman. There are plenty of cheaper, desperate and closer located countries in Southeast asia.

CPEC india can do nothing about, kew k Nukes will be out quickly and China will strangle india by the neck.

India sits on the mouth of the straits of Malacca.

India can. and US too can, if it sits on a base overlooking CPEC. Pakistan cant do jack to US.

 

[Iqbal'sh]

Sunny Deol and Ajay Devgan are actually much better people than others in the industry, they keep to themselves and make movies not sure what you are talking about.

Didn’t Ajay Devgan get ridiculed for his “mess with the best, die like the rest” tweet after India’s non-surgical tree damage - tagging Modi & IAF?

 

[cricketjoshila]

After Doklam was used by the Chinese as an excuse for massive military buildup in Tibet and weaning Bhutan away from Indian influence, I wonder what this standoff will be used for and whether Nepal's Kalapani push will lead to Chines incursions in that area. Unclear as to which concessions China can manage to get here

Bhutan is out of Indian influence? Lol when?

You certainly have weird dreams, like those of independence.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

US has enough allies, GCC, European nations who will be willing to buy that debt. How many big ecomomies are US allies?

China though will be massively hit economically.

US can and will strangle China economically.

Dude,

EU is NOT a US ally like in 90s. They never stopped trade with Iran, even after US trying to "strangle" Iran. Despite sanctions: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran–European_Union_relations


USA also tried to strangle NK yet Chinese kept on the trade. That's obvious, tho.

Whole world depends on Chinese industry. The volume of trade is scary. Even president Trump's daughter kept on manufacturing her lame brand there

Heck even Pak - Ind trade even in weirdest of times. The "iSoLaTiOn" was never more than a meme for naive nationalistic Indians.

 

[Sirris]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A "sizeable number" of Chinese troops have moved into areas which China claims are its territory & India has taken all necessary steps to deal with the situation: Defence Minister Rajnath Singh, referring to the nearly month-long standoff between the 2 armies in eastern Ladakh.</p>— Press Trust of India (@PTI_News) <a href="https://twitter.com/PTI_News/status/1267880035437940738?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 2, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Knight_Rider]

India sits on the mouth of the straits of Malacca.

India can. and US too can, if it sits on a base overlooking CPEC. Pakistan cant do jack to US.

Your fantasy is running wild with these imaginary scenarios.

Why would Pakistan fight against US, when its the longstanding traditional US ally in the region. But Pakistan can surely hit India hard in case of nuclear war fare.

Also both Pakistan and India border Western part of China, which is just a barren land with no real importance.

As for straits of Malaka, that too isnt that important because a lot of alternatives trade routes exist for China (more so under their Belt & Road initiatives). A slight detour via Indonesian waters isnt a big deal either. Its not like strait of Malaka is equivalent to Suiz Canal in importance.
Furthermore Chinese are already running cross continental freight trains to Europe. They also have land access to most asian countries.

So india can carry on sitting in the small and insignificant Andaman Islands.

 

[Kingpin786]

https://t.co/b3IMe3LyXX?amp=1

 

[Romali_rotti]

It looks like the Chinese citizens are causing uproars in China due to Corona virus (which has been blacked out by China). Xi Jingping seems to going through his biggest political hurdle, so Nationalism is being ramped up hence this border aggression with India. China is vulnerable, I hope rest of the world can unite and further weaken the Chinese...

 

[Adijazz1706]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A "sizeable number" of Chinese troops have moved into areas which China claims are its territory & India has taken all necessary steps to deal with the situation: Defence Minister Rajnath Singh, referring to the nearly month-long standoff between the 2 armies in eastern Ladakh.</p>— Press Trust of India (@PTI_News) <a href="https://twitter.com/PTI_News/status/1267880035437940738?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 2, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Hes saying 'China moves troops into Chinese territory' and not saying clearly that this is Indian territory being encroached upon, seems the Chinese are playing hardball

 

[cricketjoshila]

Hes saying 'China moves troops into Chinese territory' and not saying clearly that this is Indian territory being encroached upon, seems the Chinese are playing hardball

Why will he say Indian territory if its not Indian territory?