China Is What Orwell Feared, Xi using artificial intelligence to enhance govt’s totalitarian control

[PetroDollars]

China Is What Orwell Feared, Xi using artificial intelligence to enhance govt’s totalitarian control

China Is What Orwell Feared
Xi Jinping is using artificial intelligence to enhance his government’s totalitarian control—and he’s exporting this technology to regimes around the globe.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/09/china-ai-surveillance/614197/


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Its scary scenario, where China might just create something that will end the world or if not atleast make human gods using AI and tech that the rest of us are to weak to take them on and become slaved forever.

 

[Giannis]

Source: The Atlantic.

Editor in chief: Jeffrey Goldberg. Y'all can look up his shenanigans. Mans supported the invasion of Iraq.

 

[JaDed]

AI would be better than humans for this earth.

 

[PetroDollars]

Source: The Atlantic.

Editor in chief: Jeffrey Goldberg. Y'all can look up his shenanigans. Mans supported the invasion of Iraq.

Your point is?

China is building an orweil state with dangerous AI, how does what you say dissapprove it in any shape or form.

 

[CricketCartoons]

World needs more Orwellian states to bring order and peace. Only the anti state anarchists have anything to hide, not law abiding citizens.

 

[PetroDollars]

World needs more Orwellian states to bring order and peace. Only the anti state anarchists have anything to hide, not law abiding citizens.

Sure it can bring about order and peace but what if its headed itself by a brutal dicator, with AI giving him god like powers these states will become like bladerunner, just like what yuval noah harri fears in his book homo deus.

 

[Bigboii]

 

[Bigboii]

This is crazy in a bad way

 

[KingKhanWC]

China Is What Orwell Feared
Xi Jinping is using artificial intelligence to enhance his government’s totalitarian control—and he’s exporting this technology to regimes around the globe.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/09/china-ai-surveillance/614197/


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Its scary scenario, where China might just create something that will end the world or if not atleast make human gods using AI and tech that the rest of us are to weak to take them on and become slaved forever.

1. How will it end the world?

2. US and others also AI. Nato has a recent history of bombing, occupying and destroying numerous nation, why is China a bigger threat to world?

 

[PetroDollars]

1. How will it end the world?

2. US and others also AI. Nato has a recent history of bombing, occupying and destroying numerous nation, why is China a bigger threat to world?

Because AGI is dangerous and can take over by eliminating humans, like humans made weaker species go extinct.

US and others are playing AI with caution, theres alot of red tape there and are aware of the dangers, china is going speed fast blindly without looking into the dangers.

This has got nothing to do with nations bombing/attacking others, which has happened throughout history, this is the whole human species under threat from extinction.

Even if we dont go that far in to it, theres many dangers when a few humans gain AI powers and become dicators, i.e. they can make AI clones of other world leaders, eliminate the real leaders and send there clones in, no one will notice, like in westworld.
Any dictator can also find people who oppose them and eliminate them before they can group up, making sure they remain in power forever. theres many concerns to AI right now.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Because AGI is dangerous and can take over by eliminating humans, like humans made weaker species go extinct.

US and others are playing AI with caution, theres alot of red tape there and are aware of the dangers, china is going speed fast blindly without looking into the dangers.

This has got nothing to do with nations bombing/attacking others, which has happened throughout history, this is the whole human species under threat from extinction.

Even if we dont go that far in to it, theres many dangers when a few humans gain AI powers and become dicators, i.e. they can make AI clones of other world leaders, eliminate the real leaders and send there clones in, no one will notice, like in westworld.
Any dictator can also find people who oppose them and eliminate them before they can group up, making sure they remain in power forever. theres many concerns to AI right now.

Even before you posted this, I was thinking we are headed towards a world where everything is monitored. I think it is naive to believe that US or any other govt with aims for world power will be acting with caution. As technology's reach grows ever more capable, there will be ways of monitoring every aspect of people's lives. We only have to see what the big tech companies are doing to see that.

Yes China, or other evil regimes might do it much more obviously, but if you have the ability to identify 'criminals' through ever increasing tech, why would American govts not use it? In fact they already are.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Sure it can bring about order and peace but what if its headed itself by a brutal dicator, with AI giving him god like powers these states will become like bladerunner, just like what yuval noah harri fears in his book homo deus.

Dictators are not brutal to law abiding citizens. We need more brutal rulers to deal with anarchists and anti state elements, even in democracies.

 

[Napa]

Dictators are not brutal to law abiding citizens. We need more brutal rulers to deal with anarchists and anti state elements, even in democracies.

Hitler, Stalin, Saddam and Mao absolutely agree with the above!

I know you are not serious and are just trolling

 

[CricketCartoons]

Hitler, Stalin, Saddam and Mao absolutely agree with the above!

I know you are not serious and are just trolling

Except Hitler, I like the other three. Stalin helped defeat the Nazis. Look at what has happened to Iraq after Saddam. Mao laid the foundations of China as we see it today. All three are heroes.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Because AGI is dangerous and can take over by eliminating humans, like humans made weaker species go extinct.

US and others are playing AI with caution, theres alot of red tape there and are aware of the dangers, china is going speed fast blindly without looking into the dangers.

This has got nothing to do with nations bombing/attacking others, which has happened throughout history, this is the whole human species under threat from extinction.

Even if we dont go that far in to it, theres many dangers when a few humans gain AI powers and become dicators, i.e. they can make AI clones of other world leaders, eliminate the real leaders and send there clones in, no one will notice, like in westworld.
Any dictator can also find people who oppose them and eliminate them before they can group up, making sure they remain in power forever. theres many concerns to AI right now.

A lot of people have worries of AI, which I agree with but you haven't shown how China is more dangerous with AI and how it may end humanity, please show some specifics. AI is not like bombing nations, the point was nations with a history of brutal killings should be more a worry with AI, as they are likely to it to kill, bomb and plunder more, logic.

 

[Bigboii]

A lot of people have worries of AI, which I agree with but you haven't shown how China is more dangerous with AI and how it may end humanity, please show some specifics. AI is not like bombing nations, the point was nations with a history of brutal killings should be more a worry with AI, as they are likely to it to kill, bomb and plunder more, logic.

Are western nations going around Muslim world and putting millions of people in concentration camps?

No they're not so they're on a different playing field when it comes to ethics

Also leaders in western nations have to answer their people so any crazy advancement in AI will be stopped if people think it's undesirable but what's stopping a cammunist dictator from doing something undesirable

 

[KingKhanWC]

Are western nations going around Muslim world and putting millions of people in concentration camps?

No they're not so they're on a different playing field when it comes to ethics

Also leaders in western nations have to answer their people so any crazy advancement in AI will be stopped if people think it's undesirable but what's stopping a cammunist dictator from doing something undesirable

Worse, they have murdered 4 million people and there not Millions of Muslims in camps in China.

Bush Blair Obama Trump have answered to nobody, they have blood on their hands of millions including children bombed to pieces while asleep and children being born deformed after their parents towns were attacked by chemical weapons. I know you're a Yank but please it's foolish to argue China is a bigger evil than the US and it's allies. But please start a thread if you fancy learning .

 

[Napa]

Except Hitler, I like the other three. Stalin helped defeat the Nazis. Look at what has happened to Iraq after Saddam. Mao laid the foundations of China as we see it today. All three are heroes.

Good and bad coexisted. Read up about the millions dead in Stalin's purges and Mao's Cultural Revolution.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Good and bad coexisted. Read up about the millions dead in Stalin's purges and Mao's Cultural Revolution.

As Chairman Mao said, revolution is not a dinner party. People die.

 

[Napa]

As Chairman Mao said, revolution is not a dinner party. People die.

You are trolling again. From your previous posts I am pretty sure you are not indifferent to millions of people dying.

 

[PetroDollars]

A lot of people have worries of AI, which I agree with but you haven't shown how China is more dangerous with AI and how it may end humanity, please show some specifics. AI is not like bombing nations, the point was nations with a history of brutal killings should be more a worry with AI, as they are likely to it to kill, bomb and plunder more, logic.

When AI gains self conciousness, it is not going to view muslims, chirstians differently or pakistanis and americans differently, if it wants to wipe out humanity, nothing could stop it. China would be responsible because they are developing AI, Do you have trouble understanding this or do i need to make it easier for you?

 

[PetroDollars]

Dictators are not brutal to law abiding citizens. We need more brutal rulers to deal with anarchists and anti state elements, even in democracies.

Thats if you want to be a law abiding citizen

How many muslims would accept there law, when china says you cant be a muslim or follow islam?

 

[CricketCartoons]

Thats if you want to be a law abiding citizen

How many muslims would accept there law, when china says you cant be a muslim or follow islam?

China has no issues with muslims. Problem was the uighur separatists. If they had remained law abiding, they wouldn't have to face curbs on their freedom. Separatism and being anti state was the problem, not their religion.

it only proves my point. Abide by the law if you want to enjoy the freedom the state allows you.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

When AI gains self conciousness, it is not going to view muslims, chirstians differently or pakistanis and americans differently, if it wants to wipe out humanity, nothing could stop it. China would be responsible because they are developing AI, Do you have trouble understanding this or do i need to make it easier for you?

All countries are developing AI, so why would China alone be held responsible for it?

 

[KingKhanWC]

When AI gains self conciousness, it is not going to view muslims, chirstians differently or pakistanis and americans differently, if it wants to wipe out humanity, nothing could stop it. China would be responsible because they are developing AI, Do you have trouble understanding this or do i need to make it easier for you?

No you have trouble understanding it's not just China who is devloping AI, they have no copyright on it.

Try again and yet make it easier. Many naitons are developing AI, inc US. Why is China more of a threat? Simple question.

 

[PetroDollars]

No you have trouble understanding it's not just China who is devloping AI, they have no copyright on it.

Try again and yet make it easier. Many naitons are developing AI, inc US. Why is China more of a threat? Simple question.

I already answered that and you replied to it, i take it you are intelligent enough to understand many points in one post, if not, let me know and i will see how i could help you

 

[PetroDollars]

China has no issues with muslims. Problem was the uighur separatists. If they had remained law abiding, they wouldn't have to face curbs on their freedom. Separatism and being anti state was the problem, not their religion.

it only proves my point. Abide by the law if you want to enjoy the freedom the state allows you.

It doesn't prove your point, it proves mine actually, because when a dicator wants to eradicate a religion,culture or tribe, he can make the same old story, these are separatists, terroists, fugitives, violent etc. and remove them with no trouble.

 

[PetroDollars]

All countries are developing AI, so why would China alone be held responsible for it?

All countries? which planet are you living on.

US and China are developing it, then europe is so far behind - rest of the world hasnt even started.

China is responsible if anything happens because like i said before:
China has no laws, no one stops to access the risks involved, they are going blindfolded into its development which is mankinds most riskiest adventure yet and in china no one cares about the potential fallout.
This is like Pakistan saying to the taliban, our army is busy so you guys guard our nukes.


In USA, they are not jumping head on blindly, they are going slowly while accessing the risks, and scientists and enginners have been able to voice there concerns and setup organisations to spread awareness, this isnt allowed in china.

 

[JaDed]

IMO only quantum artificial intelligence can let "it" achieve conscious and am hoping its American companies that do it and not Chinese.

Think its atleast 20 years away, till then it would probably be in development stage..

 

[KingKhanWC]

All countries? which planet are you living on.

US and China are developing it, then europe is so far behind - rest of the world hasnt even started.

China is responsible if anything happens because like i said before:
China has no laws, no one stops to access the risks involved, they are going blindfolded into its development which is mankinds most riskiest adventure yet and in china no one cares about the potential fallout.
This is like Pakistan saying to the taliban, our army is busy so you guys guard our nukes.


In USA, they are not jumping head on blindly, they are going slowly while accessing the risks, and scientists and enginners have been able to voice there concerns and setup organisations to spread awareness, this isnt allowed in china.

Nonsense. See wikileaks, USA uses techonlogy for spying around the world, amongst many other things, they are the more likely to abuse this technology , not that China or others nations wont. To suggest it's only China who poses a risk with AI is makes no sense at all.

You are entitlend to your weak view, no need to simpfly anymore.

 

[PetroDollars]

Nonsense. See wikileaks, USA uses techonlogy for spying around the world, amongst many other things, they are the more likely to abuse this technology , not that China or others nations wont. To suggest it's only China who poses a risk with AI is makes no sense at all.

You are entitlend to your weak view, no need to simpfly anymore.

No ones talking about spying, even pakistan does that, Ai is a different beast all togeher. you call my view weak, yet you can not even distinguish the difference between a self conconcious Ai that china is allowing to build and US using tech to spy, what does that tell you about yourself?

 

[CricketCartoons]

It doesn't prove your point, it proves mine actually, because when a dicator wants to eradicate a religion,culture or tribe, he can make the same old story, these are separatists, terroists, fugitives, violent etc. and remove them with no trouble.

It proves my point, that the dictator or the state will only come at you if you are not law abiding. Which came first, the uighur separatism or china's response to uighurs?

 

[KingKhanWC]

No ones talking about spying, even pakistan does that, Ai is a different beast all togeher. you call my view weak, yet you can not even distinguish the difference between a self conconcious Ai that china is allowing to build and US using tech to spy, what does that tell you about yourself?

im not talking about spying either. My point is the US has a history of using technology for human rights abuses around the world, a much more longer and larger history than China, so it's not correct to say China is the one who will abuse AI worse than anyone else. Communism, makes no difference to abuse of technology, the western nations are experts of human rights abuses and will use all in their arsenal to continue this , inc AI

Never mind.

 

[PetroDollars]

im not talking about spying either. My point is the US has a history of using technology for human rights abuses around the world, a much more longer and larger history than China, so it's not correct to say China is the one who will abuse AI worse than anyone else. Communism, makes no difference to abuse of technology, the western nations are experts of human rights abuses and will use all in their arsenal to continue this , inc AI

Never mind.

Talking about history of human rights abuses, USA hadnt gone aboard since the world wars, Chinas history of invading countries and murdering innocents goes back over 3000 years, so again your wrong. Infact chinas historys of invasion and looting and plunder is bigger than anyones.

Anyway thats not the point of the topic, this is about developing Ai, and the concerns and dangers to it, which is US is looking into while China goes in blindfolded.

 

[PetroDollars]

It proves my point, that the dictator or the state will only come at you if you are not law abiding. Which came first, the uighur separatism or china's response to uighurs?

Chinas response, the clearer details are in the article, but they are using it as a pilot project to test there orweilian state. so again it doesnt prove your point.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Talking about history of human rights abuses, USA hadnt gone aboard since the world wars, Chinas history of invading countries and murdering innocents goes back over 3000 years, so again your wrong. Infact chinas historys of invasion and looting and plunder is bigger than anyones.

Anyway thats not the point of the topic, this is about developing Ai, and the concerns and dangers to it, which is US is looking into while China goes in blindfolded.

Are you ok? Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Pakistan? Invaded 2 and bombed all 5.

You keep your concerns of China, Ill keep mine of the US and it's puppets. China is no danger to Pakistan, never has been.

 

[PetroDollars]

Are you ok? Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Pakistan? Invaded 2 and bombed all 5.

You keep your concerns of China, Ill keep mine of the US and it's puppets. China is no danger to Pakistan, never has been.

I meant US's history of invasions only began after world wars, chiense history goes back 1000s of years.

...and if you think China is no danger to pakistan, you need to wake up. takeover through debt has already begun. Wouldnt be long till we see chinese military bases in gwadar and many other places, a fool knows pakistan will default on the debt, its how they struchure them, china is just learning from the americans, they know who is beta and who is baap.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Chinas response, the clearer details are in the article, but they are using it as a pilot project to test there orweilian state. so again it doesnt prove your point.

How can a response come first. By definition, a response is a reaction.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

All countries? which planet are you living on.

US and China are developing it, then europe is so far behind - rest of the world hasnt even started.

China is responsible if anything happens because like i said before:
China has no laws, no one stops to access the risks involved, they are going blindfolded into its development which is mankinds most riskiest adventure yet and in china no one cares about the potential fallout.
This is like Pakistan saying to the taliban, our army is busy so you guys guard our nukes.


In USA, they are not jumping head on blindly, they are going slowly while accessing the risks, and scientists and enginners have been able to voice there concerns and setup organisations to spread awareness, this isnt allowed in china.

This is the same argument civilised western countries have used for decades against nuclear technologies falling in the hands of unstable and reckless eastern nations who do not have our discernment and wellbeing of the world at heart.

Ironically, the only way I can see to stop dangerous use of AI is to deal with these countries in the same way the Chinese deal with dissidents at home. Reason can only take you so far with those determined not to fall in line, sometimes you have to apply enough force to stop the dissent before it's too late. As when the US kindly and responsibly nuked Japan for the good of it's own people and the rest of the world.