China to build second foreign naval base, this time in Pakistan

[Del01]

China is planning to build its second foreign naval base in Pakistan following the ribbon cutting ceremony for its first overseas base in Djibouti last July.

Sources close to the People's Liberation Army have confirmed to the South China Morning Post that a Chinese naval port is being built at a strategic location on Pakistan's southern coast.

"China needs to set up another base in Gwadar for its warships because Gwadar is now a civilian port," Zhou Chenming, a Chinese military analyst, told the South China Morning Post on Friday. "Gwadar port can't provide specific services for warships," Zhou said; hence the need for a new base.

Gwadar is less than 50 miles east of the Pakistan-Iran border and sits in Balochistan Province, where fiercely independent Baloch nationalists have waged guerrilla wars against both the Pakistani and Iranian governments. "Public order there is a mess," Zhou said.

"China and Pakistan have found common ground in terms of maritime interest in the region," Pakistani analyst Sheikh Fahad says. "Gwadar port can be used for joint naval patrols in the Indian Ocean, further increasing the naval outreach of China and Pakistan in the region. Gwadar port will increase the countries' naval movements and further expand defense cooperation, especially in the naval field," Fahad noted.

In mid-December, Lawrence Sellin, a retired US Army Reserve colonel, reported for the Daily Caller that high-ranking Chinese and Pakistani officials had met in Beijing to discuss future projects.

Last June, a Pakistani diplomat said China's help was needed as an "equalizer," pointing to the naval base as all-but-inevitable. "Previously it was the US and Saudi Arabia… Now it's China," the diplomat told NBC. A Chinese Defense Ministry spokesman later dismissed the report as "pure guesswork," but now it seems the port will, in fact, be built.

Experts have noted that India is keeping a close eye on the development of China-Pakistan relations. "China finds it very useful to use Pakistan against India and ignore India's concerns, particularly on terrorism issues. That has created a lot of stress in the relationship between Beijing and Delhi," Rajeev Ranan Chaturvedy, a researcher at the National University of Singapore, told SCMP.

But "Indian naval capabilities and experience in the Indian Ocean region are fairly good — much better than Pakistan and China," Chaturvedy said.


https://sputniknews.com/asia/201801051060541891-china-second-foreign-base-pakistan/

 

[Del01]

So I reckon a mutual defense treaty has pretty much been put into effect after this.

 

[carbon11]

Utter cowards and shameful now selling up to china

Least gaddafi and saddam didn't go begging to anyone to save us from USA

When soviets invaded Afghanistan and were threatening Pakistan these generals sold the country to USA and Arabs to save them

9/11 happened they sold out to USA in fear

Now they are being threatened by USA they are running to Russia and china to come and save them .

When people start running they are called cowards , least gaddafi and saddam remained defiant

Iran and n Korea that's what you call having leaders with balls and principle standing steadfast , I feel sorry for our people we have the leaders in civilian and military whom are nothing but cowards.

This kashkol begging is now embarrassing

 

[carbon11]

I really hope Imran Khan speaks up against this wholesale auction of the country to the Chinese. And this colossal debt that is mounting from this project .

 

[DW44]

I really hope Imran Khan speaks up against this wholesale auction of the country to the Chinese. And this colossal debt that is mounting from this project .

That would be career suicide. He would be labeled an Indian agent so fast he won't know what hit him.

 

[carbon11]

That would be career suicide. He would be labeled an Indian agent so fast he won't know what hit him.

Maybe but being against cpec does not make one an Indian agent

I once supported cpec but have changed my mind since it benefits Pakistan in no way it is an effective Chinese colonisation and treacherous act selling our sovereignty and assets , and a massive debt or bouncer bill we are paying Chinese to protect us , let's see if the Chinese doorman/bouncer does protect us in an actual conflict .

 

[DW44]

Maybe but being against cpec does not make one an Indian agent.

It does. Perception is far more important than reality in Pakistan. You get accused of being an Indian agent by enough people, you are one in the eyes of the people and if you publicly express any reservations over CPEC, people will accuse you of doing India's bidding, no question of that not happening.

 

[blackanhyellow]

Utter cowards and shameful now selling up to china

Least gaddafi and saddam didn't go begging to anyone to save us from USA

When soviets invaded Afghanistan and were threatening Pakistan these generals sold the country to USA and Arabs to save them

9/11 happened they sold out to USA in fear

Now they are being threatened by USA they are running to Russia and china to come and save them .

When people start running they are called cowards , least gaddafi and saddam remained defiant

Iran and n Korea that's what you call having leaders with balls and principle standing steadfast , I feel sorry for our people we have the leaders in civilian and military whom are nothing but cowards.

This kashkol begging is now embarrassing

Where is saddam and gaddafi now?

More importantly, is their country well off or worse off now because of their "bravery"? How are their people doing?

Would you like Pakistan to become another Libya or Iraq?

 

[Pakistanian]

Utter cowards and shameful now selling up to china

Least gaddafi and saddam didn't go begging to anyone to save us from USA

When soviets invaded Afghanistan and were threatening Pakistan these generals sold the country to USA and Arabs to save them

9/11 happened they sold out to USA in fear

Now they are being threatened by USA they are running to Russia and china to come and save them .

When people start running they are called cowards , least gaddafi and saddam remained defiant

Iran and n Korea that's what you call having leaders with balls and principle standing steadfast , I feel sorry for our people we have the leaders in civilian and military whom are nothing but cowards.

This kashkol begging is now embarrassing

Chinese presence is necessary in Balocistan to stop separatists that are supported by india and other foreign govts. Once China has a high stake in Pakistani Balochistan then Pakistan can utilise their Intel and clout to end the insurgency. Also your example of saddam and gaddafi is poor cause neither of their countries neighbored a super power, if anything they neighbored other failed states and today neither of theie regimes exist and they had the most gruesome deaths.

 

[ExpressPacer]

I really hope Imran Khan speaks up against this wholesale auction of the country to the Chinese. And this colossal debt that is mounting from this project .

I don't understand why people are so against Pakistan and Chinese coalition and partnership. I understand sentiment rising out of patriotism but the fact is, such relations with China are like a blessing Pakistan. Without a shadow of a doubt, China is the undisputed strongest country in the world, well on its way to becoming the super power and Pakistan is lucky to have such close ties with China.

Pakistan could well be China's closest ally, and China knows of Pakistan's significance to them as well. It is not like they're doing us a favor. One of the main reasons the Pakistani Army and the Govt can stand on its feet and have a recognition for themselves in the world without having to listen to anyone's bull crap is because of our nuclear capabilities, for which we are highly indebted to the Chinese.

Most Pakistani's are afraid that this is the "East India Company" all over again and that Pakistan is going to become a Chinese colony, maybe rightly so but the fact is; maybe or maybe not, Pakistan still only stands and is not a reflection of many Muslim countries like Iraq, Libya, Yemen, Syria, Afghanistan, Palestine and Co. because of the influence we have on the world as a military unit, which again, if not completely, a lot of gratitude and exalt goes to the Chinese.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Where is saddam and gaddafi now?

More importantly, is their country well off or worse off now because of their "bravery"? How are their people doing?

Would you like Pakistan to become another Libya or Iraq?

Preach. Not saying that we're acting like cowards, but if the fate of our country lingers onto it, then why not be called cowards and avoid the ramifications our predecessors had to engulf?

Let Saddam and Gaddafi be our example.

 

[carbon11]

Where is saddam and gaddafi now?

More importantly, is their country well off or worse off now because of their "bravery"? How are their people doing?

Would you like Pakistan to become another Libya or Iraq?

Pakistan is a nuke power

Have u seen Iran and n Korea , USA cannot even dream of attacking them
Who said we will end up like gaddafi and saddam the reason they got desposed because their own people Iraqis and Libyans revolted and are mir jafars they thought Uncle Sam will liberate them , these people are now worse off they helped destroy their own country


Sovereign nations don't sell themselves like the women In red light district in Amsterdam ,

This cpec is all in China's favour , we will never pay the debt just go and look at Sri Lanka Africa and Tajikistan

Tajikistan had to cede land to china

Chinese don't employ locals they send their own workers and then set up colonies example is Africa and Russian Siberia and Far East where they are now buying farmland and even Russian women .

Will the Pakistanis accommodate Chinese ?

Will we be able to serve them their favourite meat pork balls, Chinese favourite meat is pork .

What if they start buying land and property and stripping us of our national assets because we can't pay the debt

Remember lal masjid shenanigans started because of Chinese prostitutes

Pakistan and Chinese people are not compatible ,Chinese cannot be trusted this is same country which won't allow Ramadan in china and won't let people name their babies Muhammad Quran etc

 

[PakLFC]

Pak needs China and they need us as well.

 

[Saeed]

Don’t agree with foreign countries having bases in Pakistan. America has bases in Yemen, Iraq and Afghanistan and they are used to attack local people. These bases don’t stop Iran, India, Russia or Pakistan from interfering in Afghanistan. Russia has naval bases in Ukraine and Syria and they are used to attack Ukrainians and Syrians. Russian bases don’t stop foriegn interference either. There is a good chance that Chinese base will be playing a similar role in Balochistan.

 

[blackanhyellow]

Pakistan is a nuke power

Have u seen Iran and n Korea , USA cannot even dream of attacking them
Who said we will end up like gaddafi and saddam the reason they got desposed because their own people Iraqis and Libyans revolted and are mir jafars they thought Uncle Sam will liberate them , these people are now worse off they helped destroy their own country


Sovereign nations don't sell themselves like the women In red light district in Amsterdam ,

This cpec is all in China's favour , we will never pay the debt just go and look at Sri Lanka Africa and Tajikistan

Tajikistan had to cede land to china

Chinese don't employ locals they send their own workers and then set up colonies example is Africa and Russian Siberia and Far East where they are now buying farmland and even Russian women .

Will the Pakistanis accommodate Chinese ?

Will we be able to serve them their favourite meat pork balls, Chinese favourite meat is pork .

What if they start buying land and property and stripping us of our national assets because we can't pay the debt

Remember lal masjid shenanigans started because of Chinese prostitutes

Pakistan and Chinese people are not compatible ,Chinese cannot be trusted this is same country which won't allow Ramadan in china and won't let people name their babies Muhammad Quran etc

As you may know Pakistan is situated in a complex region of the world. India is at one border with whom Pakistan has had numerous wars and may have numerous more in the future. Pakistan can not afford to have two enemies as neighbors, as there is no way Pakistan can defend two fronts. Why do you think Pakistan stayed out of the Yemen issue? The Saudis pressured Pakistan to get involved but Pakistan can't risk making the Iranians mad. Pakistan wants the sole focus of their military prowess to be on India as they see that is the biggest threat.

This is one of the major reasons Pakistan is going against United States' interests in Afghanistan as the Afghan government is highly pro India. Pakistan knows from history, the United States is temporarily in Afghanistan. Afghanistan is not Japan or South Korea where they can afford to have significant troops there forever. Yes they are training Afghan troops but a decade later, supplied with high tech weaponry, and billions of dollars, Afghan troops are still losing territory to the Taliban. This is just not sustainable and will cost the U.S. trillions to keep this war running in the long term. So Pakistan knows a U.S. withdrawal is inevitable. By backing the Taliban Pakistan aims to counter balance India's influence there in the long term. The only way the war will end is with a political settlement with the Taliban.

This is where the significance with China comes in.

You see, Pakistan can not compete with India when it comes to financial aid, loans, and infrastructure development in Afghanistan. India will throw hundreds of millions in Afghanistan and their influence will thoroughly put Afghanistan in India's corner. Thus risking having enemies on two fronts.

China on the other hand can blow Indian investment out of the water in Afghanistan. This will bring Pakistan back in the fold and China can get Afghanistan to play nice with Pakistan. The more influence China has in the region, the less India has.

So with China's influence in the region as well as a somewhat working relationship with the eventual political party that rises up from the ashes of the Taliban, Pakistan will counter India's influence.

This is already happening with China inviting Afghanistan to join CPEC. There was also meetings with Russian, Chinese, Pakistani, and Afghan leadership a while back which India wasn't even invited to.

 

[Syed1]

As you may know Pakistan is situated in a complex region of the world. India is at one border with whom Pakistan has had numerous wars and may have numerous more in the future. Pakistan can not afford to have two enemies as neighbors, as there is no way Pakistan can defend two fronts. Why do you think Pakistan stayed out of the Yemen issue? The Saudis pressured Pakistan to get involved but Pakistan can't risk making the Iranians mad. Pakistan wants the sole focus of their military prowess to be on India as they see that is the biggest threat.

This is one of the major reasons Pakistan is going against United States' interests in Afghanistan as the Afghan government is highly pro India. Pakistan knows from history, the United States is temporarily in Afghanistan. Afghanistan is not Japan or South Korea where they can afford to have significant troops there forever. Yes they are training Afghan troops but a decade later, supplied with high tech weaponry, and billions of dollars, Afghan troops are still losing territory to the Taliban. This is just not sustainable and will cost the U.S. trillions to keep this war running in the long term. So Pakistan knows a U.S. withdrawal is inevitable. By backing the Taliban Pakistan aims to counter balance India's influence there in the long term. The only way the war will end is with a political settlement with the Taliban.

This is where the significance with China comes in.

You see, Pakistan can not compete with India when it comes to financial aid, loans, and infrastructure development in Afghanistan. India will throw hundreds of millions in Afghanistan and their influence will thoroughly put Afghanistan in India's corner. Thus risking having enemies on two fronts.

China on the other hand can blow Indian investment out of the water in Afghanistan. This will bring Pakistan back in the fold and China can get Afghanistan to play nice with Pakistan. The more influence China has in the region, the less India has.

So with China's influence in the region as well as a somewhat working relationship with the eventual political party that rises up from the ashes of the Taliban, Pakistan will counter India's influence.

This is already happening with China inviting Afghanistan to join CPEC. There was also meetings with Russian, Chinese, Pakistani, and Afghan leadership a while back which India wasn't even invited to.

Nicely put.. POTW

 

[blue_champion]

As you may know Pakistan is situated in a complex region of the world. India is at one border with whom Pakistan has had numerous wars and may have numerous more in the future. Pakistan can not afford to have two enemies as neighbors, as there is no way Pakistan can defend two fronts. Why do you think Pakistan stayed out of the Yemen issue? The Saudis pressured Pakistan to get involved but Pakistan can't risk making the Iranians mad. Pakistan wants the sole focus of their military prowess to be on India as they see that is the biggest threat.

This is one of the major reasons Pakistan is going against United States' interests in Afghanistan as the Afghan government is highly pro India. Pakistan knows from history, the United States is temporarily in Afghanistan. Afghanistan is not Japan or South Korea where they can afford to have significant troops there forever. Yes they are training Afghan troops but a decade later, supplied with high tech weaponry, and billions of dollars, Afghan troops are still losing territory to the Taliban. This is just not sustainable and will cost the U.S. trillions to keep this war running in the long term. So Pakistan knows a U.S. withdrawal is inevitable. By backing the Taliban Pakistan aims to counter balance India's influence there in the long term. The only way the war will end is with a political settlement with the Taliban.

This is where the significance with China comes in.

You see, Pakistan can not compete with India when it comes to financial aid, loans, and infrastructure development in Afghanistan. India will throw hundreds of millions in Afghanistan and their influence will thoroughly put Afghanistan in India's corner. Thus risking having enemies on two fronts.

China on the other hand can blow Indian investment out of the water in Afghanistan. This will bring Pakistan back in the fold and China can get Afghanistan to play nice with Pakistan. The more influence China has in the region, the less India has.

So with China's influence in the region as well as a somewhat working relationship with the eventual political party that rises up from the ashes of the Taliban, Pakistan will counter India's influence.

This is already happening with China inviting Afghanistan to join CPEC. There was also meetings with Russian, Chinese, Pakistani, and Afghan leadership a while back which India wasn't even invited to.

That is probably the obvious justification the Pakistani leadership gives its people which is fair enough but wouldn’t the simple solution be to make peace with India a country closest in proximity from a cultural as well as territorial point of view?

No matter how you spin it in the end China is looking out for themselves obviously...it’s not like they are in love with Pakistan just for the heck of it...isn’t it is clear they are in it for self-serving purposes...isn’t that very obvious?

I mean just because you want a cordial relationship with Afghanistan you want to go with the unknown...how pointless is that thinking..does that look more patriotic or look like people trying to make a quick buck filling up their pockets?

Instead of all the complex reasons you stated justifying the relationship with China...how simple would be it to make peace with India...trust me no matter what propaganda there is in Pakistan ,invading or taking over Pakistan is the last thing India cares...are those ambitions even reasonable in this day and age lol...any way we have a lot of our own set of internal issues which precedes anything to do with Pakistan.

One of the reasons why India has made some Strides comparatively to Pakistan in terms of economy,diplomacy,education or even political aspects since independence is because apart from the obvious issues with Pakistan,Indian governments over the years have focused to some extent on internal development on its own rather than depending on one specific country.I am
Only speaking relative to Pakistan here.

Instead of all the complex caveats that comes with this Chinese relationship just like with US in the past ,wouldn’t it be simple enough for the Pakistani leadership(be it the civilian government or army) make it work with India and then focus on the development of its own country which obviously has been set back due to all the wars since the 80s till date?

 

[blackanhyellow]

That is probably the obvious justification the Pakistani leadership gives its people which is fair enough but wouldn’t the simple solution be to make peace with India a country closest in proximity from a cultural as well as territorial point of view?

No matter how you spin it in the end China is looking out for themselves obviously...it’s not like they are in love with Pakistan just for the heck of it...isn’t it is clear they are in it for self-serving purposes...isn’t that very obvious?

I mean just because you want a cordial relationship with Afghanistan you want to go with the unknown...how pointless is that thinking..does that look more patriotic or look like people trying to make a quick buck filling up their pockets?

Instead of all the complex reasons you stated justifying the relationship with China...how simple would be it to make peace with India...trust me no matter what propaganda there is in Pakistan ,invading or taking over Pakistan is the last thing India cares...are those ambitions even reasonable in this day and age lol...any way we have a lot of our own set of internal issues which precedes anything to do with Pakistan.

One of the reasons why India has made some Strides comparatively to Pakistan in terms of economy,diplomacy,education or even political aspects since independence is because apart from the obvious issues with Pakistan,Indian governments over the years have focused to some extent on internal development on its own rather than depending on one specific country.I am
Only speaking relative to Pakistan here.

Instead of all the complex caveats that comes with this Chinese relationship just like with US in the past ,wouldn’t it be simple enough for the Pakistani leadership(be it the civilian government or army) make it work with India and then focus on the development of its own country which obviously has been set back due to all the wars since the 80s till date?

You make it sound so simple.

Why doesn't U.S. and Iran get along? Why can't North and South Korea bury the hatchet? Palestinians and Israelis should let bygones be bygones. Russia should make peace with U.S., Ukraine, etc...

Pakistanis and Indians may have similarities and maybe one days (not in our life times) there may be an America / Canada type relationship between the two.

For now though, the scars of partition are too recent (over 1 million deaths), and the wars too numerous.

Children are taught from a young age that the neighbors across the border are the enemy.

Any thing happens in Pakistan it is blamed on India so that there is no accountability on the politicians.

If a kabootar takes a poop on someone in India, it is deemed a Pakistani ISI spy agent pigeon.

Kashmir issue as well.

Its hard to have peace under these types of circumstances.

 

[blue_champion]

You make it sound so simple.

Why doesn't U.S. and Iran get along? Why can't North and South Korea bury the hatchet? Palestinians and Israelis should let bygones be bygones. Russia should make peace with U.S., Ukraine, etc...

Pakistanis and Indians may have similarities and maybe one days (not in our life times) there may be an America / Canada type relationship between the two.

For now though, the scars of partition are too recent (over 1 million deaths), and the wars too numerous.

Children are taught from a young age that the neighbors across the border are the enemy.

Any thing happens in Pakistan it is blamed on India so that there is no accountability on the politicians.

If a kabootar takes a poop on someone in India, it is deemed a Pakistani ISI spy agent pigeon.

Kashmir issue as well.

Its hard to have peace under these types of circumstances.

I don’t want to turn this into a measuring contest but I am assuming you said Pakistan need an ally to keep India in check because 1 to 1 Pakistan might find it tough to take on India’s economic potential....even though I don’t agree with the context in which you said it,it was a rational statement.

Now just for arguments sake,let us say Pakistan keeps it is ego aside and gives up the Kashmir issue and makes peace with India and Let us assume(key word) India is sponsoring issues in Baluchistan and let us say both are kept on the back burner.

Wouldn’t it be easier for Pakistan leadership to do a lot more internally without looking for handouts?

How difficult is it to interpret that this whole CPEC thing benefits the 1 or 2% Pakistanis to be richer than a patriotic initiative...you should be really naive to believe this will take the country forward lol.

I expect to read comebacks like India is jealous or insecure of this China relationship lol but just take a deep breath and ask your self these questions

why China would take interest in Pakistan

And

If Pakistan doesn’t have 100% control on most of the infrastructure etc as it is a partnership how does it benefit them.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Who are against the CPEC: Indians.
Who are against the naval base: Indians.

If your enemy is against something you are doing, you are obviously doing the right thing.

 

[Yossarian]

Who are against the CPEC: Indians.
Who are against the naval base: Indians.

If your enemy is against something you are doing, you are obviously doing the right thing.

Correct.

Plus:

Over time, CPEC will almost certainly become a key artery of Chinese trade with the Middle East, Africa and even Europe. It will become integral to their economy. And as such China needs a stable Pakistan in order to safeguard this artery. In order to have a stable Pakistan, you need to have a successful and florishing Pakistani economy. CPEC to China will become the equivalent to the way the Panama canal became important to the USA for it's East coast / West coast trade - in fact far more so since it's a land corridor that connects directly to the Chinese mainland. I can't think of a more important existing land corridor for a major economic power that goes through another country than that which CPEC will become for China.

As for a Chinese naval base, it is only reasonable for China to take all precautions necessary in order to safeguard China's new shipping routes resulting from the port, as well as the port itself, that is the gateway for the CPEC.

 

[cricketjoshila]

As you may know Pakistan is situated in a complex region of the world. India is at one border with whom Pakistan has had numerous wars and may have numerous more in the future. Pakistan can not afford to have two enemies as neighbors, as there is no way Pakistan can defend two fronts. Why do you think Pakistan stayed out of the Yemen issue? The Saudis pressured Pakistan to get involved but Pakistan can't risk making the Iranians mad. Pakistan wants the sole focus of their military prowess to be on India as they see that is the biggest threat.

This is one of the major reasons Pakistan is going against United States' interests in Afghanistan as the Afghan government is highly pro India. Pakistan knows from history, the United States is temporarily in Afghanistan. Afghanistan is not Japan or South Korea where they can afford to have significant troops there forever. Yes they are training Afghan troops but a decade later, supplied with high tech weaponry, and billions of dollars, Afghan troops are still losing territory to the Taliban. This is just not sustainable and will cost the U.S. trillions to keep this war running in the long term. So Pakistan knows a U.S. withdrawal is inevitable. By backing the Taliban Pakistan aims to counter balance India's influence there in the long term. The only way the war will end is with a political settlement with the Taliban.

This is where the significance with China comes in.

You see, Pakistan can not compete with India when it comes to financial aid, loans, and infrastructure development in Afghanistan. India will throw hundreds of millions in Afghanistan and their influence will thoroughly put Afghanistan in India's corner. Thus risking having enemies on two fronts.

China on the other hand can blow Indian investment out of the water in Afghanistan. This will bring Pakistan back in the fold and China can get Afghanistan to play nice with Pakistan. The more influence China has in the region, the less India has.

So with China's influence in the region as well as a somewhat working relationship with the eventual political party that rises up from the ashes of the Taliban, Pakistan will counter India's influence.

This is already happening with China inviting Afghanistan to join CPEC. There was also meetings with Russian, Chinese, Pakistani, and Afghan leadership a while back which India wasn't even invited to.

US isnt withdrawing and let Taliban come back. US sanctions will first cripple pakistan if US wants it. China wont be able to prevent that as is seen in Iran and NoKo.Even Russia has been affected.

You make it look like China is the only one power in the world.The moment china tries to change the regime in Afghanistan or do something to further their interests beyond a point, the real power in Afghanistan will step up and thats NATO.And militarily and economically NATO and American allies will blow out China anywhere.And while China can afford a bit of blow back Pakistan cannot.

Pakistan will make more enemies than allies when they try to play China game.

I am not even going into what are the economic costs of CPEC etc etc.

India unlike Pakistan doesnt have to depend on anyone to take on Pakistan. And china isnt going to fight any wars for Pakistan, they havent fought any with India in 50yrs for their own claimed land.

 

[sshakir411]

Oh man I love it when the Indians become experts on China and what the US plans on doing. What a joke...the only country that gets really worried with a Pak-China link up is India. The US doesn't need to sanction Pakistan for being friendly with China because a Pak-China friendship in no way harms/hinders US interests in the region..The US has its interests safeguarded in the region. The only ones hurting are Indians..and we all know why. Rotay raho and keep cooking up some absurd theories on what will happen next. LOL.

 

[Braveheart]

In the current 'Topsy Turvey' world of Geo-Politics, It looks like a case of 'Better the Devil you know' with this agreement with China. This is in addition to $60 Billion China has earmarked for projects with Pakistan.
Being a 'Basket case' culture for the last 40 years with the USA corrupting and decimating Pakistan to the core with the help of Dishonest indigenous traitors, I just hope this Venture with China will be the catalyst for a path to self sustainability and Self-Reliance.

 

[Lonewarrior]

Rumours are one more base is going to be build in pakistan which will be for Air Force.
but for now Naval base is confirmd.

 

[Pakistanian]

This base would help prevent any country from invading Pakistan. Remember Syria has not been attacked by NATO yet because they have a Russian naval base while Iraq and Libya were all on their own and got decimated.

 

[troodon]

Clearly China is using Pakistani land to counter India from the Western Front.

Pakistan allows it because India will not attack Pakistan as Chinese interests will be hurt and hoping China might intervene.

This is a love hate story with so many twists.

Will too much Chinese influence hurt or benefit Pakistan in the long run? Will have to wait and watch.

 

[Pakistanian]

US isnt withdrawing and let Taliban come back. US sanctions will first cripple pakistan if US wants it. China wont be able to prevent that as is seen in Iran and NoKo.Even Russia has been affected.

You make it look like China is the only one power in the world.The moment china tries to change the regime in Afghanistan or do something to further their interests beyond a point, the real power in Afghanistan will step up and thats NATO.And militarily and economically NATO and American allies will blow out China anywhere.And while China can afford a bit of blow back Pakistan cannot.

Pakistan will make more enemies than allies when they try to play China game.

I am not even going into what are the economic costs of CPEC etc etc.

India unlike Pakistan doesnt have to depend on anyone to take on Pakistan. And china isnt going to fight any wars for Pakistan, they havent fought any with India in 50yrs for their own claimed land.

Lol who are you kidding, India has been using Afghanistan against Pakistan. y'all are depending on them to attack Pakistan, how about y'all stay out our neighborhood, y'all got no links to central asia.

 

[shortbread]

I think allowing a foreign Govt. build a military base in ones country is like getting a tattoo!

It looks good initially, but once done its nearly impossible/extremely expensive to get rid of. There are plenty of countries out there who regret hosting American bases but can do nothing about it anymore!

I know there is tremendous trust between the two countries, but one never knows when things can turn sour, and if history has taught us something it always does at some point.

Ideally Pakistan should allow China build an inland Air Force or Army base. This ways Pakistan can block access of supplies if it ever wants to. I know it will never go bad and China will never turn into a foe, but it is reassuring that push comes to shove their supply lines can be choked by Pakistan.

A Naval base on the other hand means China can be independent if it wants to. Plus the state of affairs of Pakistan's Navy is diabolical and the weakest link in its armed forces. Anyways, Smarter people within the defense institution must have put a lot of thought into this already, they know what is best for the country.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Lol who are you kidding, India has been using Afghanistan against Pakistan. y'all are depending on them to attack Pakistan, how about y'all stay out our neighborhood, y'all got no links to central asia.

Neither Afghanistan nor Central Asia is Pakistan's territory.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Clearly China is using Pakistani land to counter India from the Western Front.

Pakistan allows it because India will not attack Pakistan as Chinese interests will be hurt and hoping China might intervene.

This is a love hate story with so many twists.

Will too much Chinese influence hurt or benefit Pakistan in the long run? Will have to wait and watch.

Or Pakistan is using China to contain India? Don't know if it will hurt Pakistan or not in the long run, but surely this is hurting Indians now and will hurt them in future.

 

[Pakistanian]

Neither Afghanistan nor Central Asia is Pakistan's territory.

They are our neighbors, y'all don't even share a freakin border and are trying to butt yourself in, stay in yo lane.

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

Neither Afghanistan nor Central Asia is Pakistan's territory.

Still to this date dont understand why India pushed for the Chabahar port in Iran, its no match, no one will be willing to travel through Afghsnistan to far east for a very long time. Its in Afghanistan interest to play good with its neighbours, from Gwadar to Kabul its around 1200km but Chabahar port to Kabul is 1800km, do the maths which is more ideal.

The sooner the Afghani's realise they are being used as pawns by the Indians the better, yesterday there was an article about the Chinese trying to get the Pakistanis and Afghani's reconciling their differences, and the doors always open for Afghanistan.

India has always undermined Pakistan prosperity, its fairly evident. I dont think they India will be effective in destabilizing Pakistan as they wont really want to poke the bear(china).

 

[blue_champion]

Oh man I love it when the Indians become experts on China and what the US plans on doing. What a joke...the only country that gets really worried with a Pak-China link up is India. The US doesn't need to sanction Pakistan for being friendly with China because a Pak-China friendship in no way harms/hinders US interests in the region..The US has its interests safeguarded in the region. The only ones hurting are Indians..and we all know why. Rotay raho and keep cooking up some absurd theories on what will happen next. LOL.

That is because last time Pakistan got into a unequal partnership with USA for starters, that gave rise to terrorism and access to a lot of dangerous weapons to a lot of rogue elements....while Pakistan has suffered the brunt of it,it did impact India too and does everyday with most of these terrorist groups shifting their focus on India once USA left you guys hanging after sucking you dry lol.

Similarly with China too this looks very similar in as it is obvious that China is looking out for themselves and even an idiot recognizes that Pakistani government is concerned with their own pockets than benefitting the people with this initiative

Pakistan does not have a track record of implementing any thing successfully and benefiting from it in its history...so as your immediate neighbor and immediate perceived threat ,we are obviously concerned.

Trust me Indian jealousy is the last thing that should come to your mind with this partnership.This is more of a security concern and history speaks for itself.

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

That is because last time Pakistan got into a unequal partnership with USA for starters, that gave rise to terrorism and access to a lot of dangerous weapons to a lot of rogue elements....while Pakistan has suffered the brunt of it,it did impact India too and does everyday with most of these terrorist groups shifting their focus on India once USA left you guys hanging after sucking you dry lol.

Similarly with China too this looks very similar in as it is obvious that China is looking out for themselves and even an idiot recognizes that Pakistani government is concerned with their own pockets than benefitting the people with this initiative

Pakistan does not have a track record of implementing any thing successfully and benefiting from it in its history...so as your immediate neighbor and immediate perceived threat ,we are obviously concerned.

Trust me Indian jealousy is the last thing that should come to your mind with this partnership.This is more of a security concern and history speaks for itself.

Not jealousy, why india go running for the Chabahar port in Iran? Me personally I dont think its jealousy i think its all about the Pakistanis prospering.

It no doubt India is the greater economy and will always be but the poverty levels will always remain high and Pakistan will always have a better chance to provide for its population as a whole..

 

[blackanhyellow]

I don’t want to turn this into a measuring contest but I am assuming you said Pakistan need an ally to keep India in check because 1 to 1 Pakistan might find it tough to take on India’s economic potential....even though I don’t agree with the context in which you said it,it was a rational statement.

Now just for arguments sake,let us say Pakistan keeps it is ego aside and gives up the Kashmir issue and makes peace with India and Let us assume(key word) India is sponsoring issues in Baluchistan and let us say both are kept on the back burner.

Wouldn’t it be easier for Pakistan leadership to do a lot more internally without looking for handouts?

How difficult is it to interpret that this whole CPEC thing benefits the 1 or 2% Pakistanis to be richer than a patriotic initiative...you should be really naive to believe this will take the country forward lol.

I expect to read comebacks like India is jealous or insecure of this China relationship lol but just take a deep breath and ask your self these questions

why China would take interest in Pakistan

And

If Pakistan doesn’t have 100% control on most of the infrastructure etc as it is a partnership how does it benefit them.

Give up Kashmir?

What does that mean? Give up trying to get IOK? Or do you think India would be content with keeping its side of Kashmir and letting Pakistan keep its side?

Either way its a big ask. A much bigger ask then letting China build a naval base.

And by the way, talking about handouts, India has received more than 65 billion dollars (accounting for inflation) since the 40's from the United States. That is on par with even Israel during the same time period, for a "self-sufficient" country like India this seems like a lot.

As for China's interest in Pakistan, it is pretty evident. They want access to the warm waters for strategic purposes. They also see Pakistan as a counter balance to India's influence. It is a partnership, you could say it favours China, and that may be true.

But you have to look deeper at the issue to see what China provides Pakistan.

China is constantly vetoing anti-Pakistan bills at the UN.

China is investing billions in a country that no one else wants to invest ten dollars in at the moment.

China's assistance means Pakistan is not totally reliant on U.S. military aid.

I am not saying Pakistan will not lose much in its relationship with China. All I am saying is, it has much more to gain.

The other option is to surrender to India's hegemony and let India take Kashmir. Then we won't need China as a friendly India will be good for us and they would never interfere in our internal affairs ahem *Nepal* ahem.

 

[blackanhyellow]

US isnt withdrawing and let Taliban come back. US sanctions will first cripple pakistan if US wants it. China wont be able to prevent that as is seen in Iran and NoKo.Even Russia has been affected.

You make it look like China is the only one power in the world.The moment china tries to change the regime in Afghanistan or do something to further their interests beyond a point, the real power in Afghanistan will step up and thats NATO.And militarily and economically NATO and American allies will blow out China anywhere.And while China can afford a bit of blow back Pakistan cannot.

Pakistan will make more enemies than allies when they try to play China game.

I am not even going into what are the economic costs of CPEC etc etc.

India unlike Pakistan doesnt have to depend on anyone to take on Pakistan. And china isnt going to fight any wars for Pakistan, they havent fought any with India in 50yrs for their own claimed land.

First of all China has already said they would veto any sanctions put on Pakistan.

Do you really think they would be investing billions in a country they would let get sanctioned?

Even if Pakistan is sanctioned, it will still survive. It will not be as prosperous as Iran, but there is no way it becomes a North Korea.

I never said China will change the regime in Afghanistan?

Afghanistan will see the light filled with dollar signs and will get on board no matter what regime it is.

Pakistan will keep the same political adversaries (India, U.S., etc...) In fact even Russia is warming relations with Pakistan. Who would have thought in a million years that would happen after our history with them?

I know India doesn't need help against Pakistan, India is a huge country with a massive military force. I never said otherwise.

 

[JaDed]

After this all India or China has to do is increase bilateral trade ,so China has huge investment in India and Pakistan making both countries hopefully become allies in future.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

The mutual trust with china is deep and well founded and transcends every political and military establishment in both countries.

 

[the Great Khan]

After this all India or China has to do is increase bilateral trade ,so China has huge investment in India and Pakistan making both countries hopefully become allies in future.

India will change direction once this government has been voted out. I dont understand why they cant see the obvious. A strong India is only possible with a strong Pakistan. While both sides continue this endless nach gaana , they will always remain vulnerable to outside forces.

 

[sshakir411]

That is because last time Pakistan got into a unequal partnership with USA for starters, that gave rise to terrorism and access to a lot of dangerous weapons to a lot of rogue elements....while Pakistan has suffered the brunt of it,it did impact India too and does everyday with most of these terrorist groups shifting their focus on India once USA left you guys hanging after sucking you dry lol.

Similarly with China too this looks very similar in as it is obvious that China is looking out for themselves and even an idiot recognizes that Pakistani government is concerned with their own pockets than benefitting the people with this initiative

Pakistan does not have a track record of implementing any thing successfully and benefiting from it in its history...so as your immediate neighbor and immediate perceived threat ,we are obviously concerned.

Trust me Indian jealousy is the last thing that should come to your mind with this partnership.This is more of a security concern and history speaks for itself.

Here we go again...first things first, let's get your facts corrected...seems like you really have an issue reading-

1) The US hasn't sucked us dry...but rather WE have sucked the US dry.

Evidence: http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/01/politics/donald-trump-2018-pakistan/index.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_aid_to_Pakistan

Clearly, you don't understand how Pakistan operates. The current and last president of the US have repeatedly blamed Pakistan for not doing enough and getting paid for it. This is a Pakistan forte...we milk the hell out of US, they know about it, yet can't do much.

2) Terrorist groups in Afghanistan never "shifted" their focus to India...but rather were always used post-soviet pull-out for Pakistan's benefit. The terrorists that only target India are in Kashmir (not Afghanistan) and they exist because India has butchered Kashmiris and they will continue to exist until the Kashmir issue is resolved, despite what happens in Afghanistan to the Taliban.

3) China is not just building infrastructure in Pakistan...China has deployed the same model in Africa and is doing this to secure natural resources for it self. The reason why Pakistan is of great importance to the Chinese is because:

a) Afghanistan is home to the largest rare minerals in the world. The latest invitation by Afghan government to 200 mining companies was dominated by the Chinese.
b) Keeps a check on India and her activities in Afghanistan
c) Gawadar will physically connect China to Africa, Middle East, Central Asia, and Europe. This is the shortest and most secure route to China (look at the map).
d) Balochistan is also going to be the location for a floating liquefied natural gas facility as part of the larger $2.5 billion Iran–Pakistan gas pipeline project. The Iran-Pakistan deal was to include India but the way things are now...Iran-Pakistan-China seems to be a better idea.

4) Pakistani government officials might be concerned with filling their pockets but there are many other reasons why CPEC is a good deal for Pakistan. You and your fellow concerned Indians can read about it here:

https://www2.deloitte.com/content/d...k/pak-china-eco-corridor-deloittepk-noexp.pdf

https://www.mckinsey.com/global-themes/china/chinas-one-belt-one-road-will-it-reshape-global-trade

https://www.pwc.com/gx/en/growth-markets-center/assets/pdf/china-new-silk-route.pdf

While it is extremely hard for Indians to trust Pakistanis or Chinese on this...the 3 papers above shall shed some light why this initiative is a game changer for the region...also read on how the negative implications of this impact only nation, India.

I hope Deloitte, PwC, and McKinsey are able to lift your tiranga colored glasses to see the benefits of this.

Lastly, I never mentioned India or Indians being jealous..but since you bring it up, it does make sense that Indians would be jealous of their neighbor getting all the fruits despite doing nothing.

All I said was we know why it hurts the Indians so much...and it's because of China's presence in Pakistan, control of the sea port and the waters that surround it, Chinese influence in Afghanistan, and benefits to Pakistan.

As I said earlier..keep cooking up some absurd theories on how this is not beneficial or how Pakistan is being played by China. These weird theories will only help Indians sleep paranoia-free at night for the next few years.

 

[Yossarian]

Clearly China is using Pakistani land to counter India from the Western Front.

Pakistan allows it because India will not attack Pakistan as Chinese interests will be hurt and hoping China might intervene.

This is a love hate story with so many twists.

Will too much Chinese influence hurt or benefit Pakistan in the long run? Will have to wait and watch.

Yeah, sure!

Everything China does or doesn't do isn't always because of India! Ever thought that it may be because of the economic interests of China and nothing to do with 'countering India'?

Over time, CPEC will almost certainly become a key artery of Chinese trade with the Middle East, Africa and even Europe. It will become integral to their economy. And as such China needs a stable Pakistan in order to safeguard this artery. In order to have a stable Pakistan, you need to have a successful and flourishing Pakistani economy. CPEC to China will become the equivalent to the way the Panama canal became important to the USA for it's East coast / West coast trade - in fact far more so since it's a land corridor that connects directly to the Chinese mainland. I can't think of a more important existing land corridor for a major economic power that goes through another country than that which CPEC will become for China.

As for a Chinese naval base, it is only reasonable for China to take all precautions necessary in order to safeguard China's new shipping routes resulting from the port, as well as the port itself, that is the gateway for the CPEC.