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China's 're-education camps' for Uighur Muslims in Xinjian region

You can't do this, you have to give 'saeedhk' atleast sometime before his Srivaasna handlers tell him what to say. But don't hold your breath. He'll run away just like he's ran away whenever I ask him for any stats to back up his nonsensical Shia genocide claims.

I'm not holding my breath, he pretends not to see my posts and I think that's sensible on his part. He knows what's coming, and I do apologise to some decent Indian posters on here for this, but when you have low class mud slingers operating on these boards I have to hit them where it hurts.
 
Already told you that it is a massive genocide. Already gave you the numbers. You choose to ignore it.

No you didn't. Unless 6000 over 3650 days out of 20-50 million is it.

Give them. Let's hear it. Don't run away like a coward. Prove it.
 
I'm not holding my breath, he pretends not to see my posts and I think that's sensible on his part. He knows what's coming, and I do apologise to some decent Indian posters on here for this, but when you have low class mud slingers operating on these boards I have to hit them where it hurts.

Exactly. There are great Indian posters here who I respect even if I disagree with them atleast they're not cowards in hiding that they're Indian and stand up for their points so credit to them. It's people like 'saeed' who are never found in threads where Kashmiris are dying, who's never uttered a word on Ugyurs despite he's apparently on Chinese territory so it's pathetic and downright cowardice and I wonder what does PP gain from such frauds.
 
Ah, you see he can't because that would mean admitting that "the West" / "Zionists" aren't the worst thing happening to Muslims at present. He would have to change his entire frame of reference and PP would be sucked into another dimsension if that happened. Really he is looking out for us ;-)

:)):))

Truly a master of 4D-chess he is!
 
Ah, you see he can't because that would mean admitting that "the West" / "Zionists" aren't the worst thing happening to Muslims at present. He would have to change his entire frame of reference and PP would be sucked into another dimsension if that happened. Really he is looking out for us ;-)

Haha, yes perhaps France or the US allies will send in the troops to save the Uihgurs like they once did to save the Zionists. That would really turn KK's world upside down!
 
How do you know IK isn't condemning and acting on a personal level? I'm not really sure what you mean here. What is it you expect him to do, and how do you think that would help the Uihghurs?

I get why IK isn't commenting on this genocide, he has his reasons (meaning I get it and I agree with his reasons to not comment publically)

After that post was pointed towards Posters who are being nothing more than Chinese apologists by bringing in all sorts of stupid reasons to almost justify this situation

If they're not condemning or clearly saying it's the wrong thing to do

In a damn anonymous forum than I don't want to hear their yapping on west or India simple as that!
 
Haha, yes perhaps France or the US allies will send in the troops to save the Uihgurs like they once did to save the Zionists. That would really turn KK's world upside down!

What is this referring to? WW2? If so, I already told you that Britain and France joined WW2 due to Germany's invasion of Poland in 1939, whereas the Holocaust didn't start in any meaningful capacity until 1941.

Of course, if you're not referring to WW2 then I retract my statement.
 
I get why IK isn't commenting on this genocide, he has his reasons (meaning I get it and I agree with his reasons to not comment publically)

After that post was pointed towards Posters who are being nothing more than Chinese apologists by bringing in all sorts of stupid reasons to almost justify this situation

If they're not condemning or clearly saying it's the wrong thing to do

In a damn anonymous forum than I don't want to hear their yapping on west or India simple as that!

So it seems your main complaint is against posters on the forum rather than Imran Khan himself, in the post I quoted it seemed you had some beef with IK. Perhaps you should have just left him out of your post in hindsight since you don't actually have any complaint about how he has handled the situation ( I think).
 
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Whats happening to Uighurs is clearly a genocide. Had a Muslim group been doing this to a non Muslim group, there would be non stop international coverage. Islam would have been blamed. and all Muslims would have been shamed collectively.

No one is blaming Atheist. No one is blaming Chinese people. And none of the "great humanitarian" countries are doing anything about this. If Libya was attacked because Gaddaffi was about to commit a genocide, where is France and UK now?
 
Wonder why our boi Technics 1210 has yet to make an appearance on this thread ?. He is a champion for rights of the Kashmiri muslims, afterall Uighurs are muslims also :(
 
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That's a very scary report... My thoughts go out to those Uighur facing this genocide.
 
Whats happening to Uighurs is clearly a genocide. Had a Muslim group been doing this to a non Muslim group, there would be non stop international coverage. Islam would have been blamed. and all Muslims would have been shamed collectively.

No one is blaming Atheist. No one is blaming Chinese people. And none of the "great humanitarian" countries are doing anything about this. If Libya was attacked because Gaddaffi was about to commit a genocide, where is France and UK now?

You are pushing the wrong agenda, instead of trying to one upmanship on non muslim countries why dont you look in the mirror.

Australian ministers criticise China over abuses in Xinjiang
Australia's Foreign Minister Marise Payne and Shadow Foreign Minister Penny Wong both issued statements criticising the Chinese Government's actions in the region.

A spokesperson for Senator Payne said Australia had consistently raised "significant concerns" with China over human rights abuses in Xinjiang.
"These latest reports of systematic torture and abuse of women are deeply disturbing and raise serious questions regarding the treatment of Uyghurs and other religious and ethnic minorities in Xinjiang," the spokesperson said.

"We consider transparency to be of utmost importance and continue to urge China to allow international observers, including the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, Michelle Bachelet, to be given immediate, meaningful, and unfettered access to Xinjiang at the earliest opportunity."

Senator Wong said, "anyone reading these women's testimonies would be disgusted by what they were subjected to".

"This evidence is counter to China's international human rights obligations and is not consistent with the behaviour of a respected and responsible international power."
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02...f-systematic-rape-of-chinese-muslims/13120686
 
You are pushing the wrong agenda, instead of trying to one upmanship on non muslim countries why dont you look in the mirror.

No agenda, just pointing out the double standards. Its great that some Western countries are raising the issue, but their reaction would have been completely different had Muslims been doing this.

Also I have zero expectations from Muslim countries to do anything. However in their defense, they dont profess to be great humanitarians.
 
No agenda, just pointing out the double standards. Its great that some Western countries are raising the issue, but their reaction would have been completely different had Muslims been doing this.

Also I have zero expectations from Muslim countries to do anything. However in their defense, they dont profess to be great humanitarians.

Muslim countries have double standards more than any western country.
 
Whats happening to Uighurs is clearly a genocide. Had a Muslim group been doing this to a non Muslim group, there would be non stop international coverage. Islam would have been blamed. and all Muslims would have been shamed collectively.

No one is blaming Atheist. No one is blaming Chinese people. And none of the "great humanitarian" countries are doing anything about this. If Libya was attacked because Gaddaffi was about to commit a genocide, where is France and UK now?

Blame the shameless and spineless Muslims. Pakistan is at the behest of china. When it comes to shining Muslims are top but cannot organise anything in the main. Easy to find ways to protest Israel but you only te to look at the parochial farmer issue in India garnering worldwide coverage to realise which groups are well ahead of the curve. And Muslims, are very much the **** atop the water (per Hadeeth)
 
While Western leaders are calling out China for its treatment of China, Muslim leaders are looking the other way! Who is the bigger hypocrite now? Heck, Muslim countries including Pakistan signed a UN letter voicing support for China’s counter-terror measures.

Imran is the undisputed champion of hypocrisy. He is only fit for firing off tweets at India and Europe. He gets palpitations when it comes to China.
 
You are pushing the wrong agenda, instead of trying to one upmanship on non muslim countries why dont you look in the mirror.

Australia raised the issue as part of the western propaganda drive against China's growing power in Asia, the Uighur issue is just a handy stick to bash China with for it's world rivals and regional competitors like India. None of them give a monkeys about the Uighurs in truth.

Aussies are already backtracking on confronting China as was always inevitable:

https://www.9news.com.au/national/c...te-media/adcd4bb2-9559-4cf5-acb7-5b1a115c6c4c

Scott Morrison's 'verbal olive branch' to China knocked back

Prime Minister Scott Morrison's "verbal olive branch" calling for a reset in ruptured diplomatic ties with China has received a cool response by Chinese state media.
In an address to the National Press Club in Canberra on Monday, Mr Morrison said the Federal Government remained committed to engaging with the rising superpower.
Australia-China relations sunk to a new low during last year, with Chinese officials slapping trade sanctions on Australian barley, beef, wine, cotton and coal after the Federal Government called for an international inquiry into the origin of the coronavirus....
 
Australia raised the issue as part of the western propaganda drive against China's growing power in Asia, the Uighur issue is just a handy stick to bash China with for it's world rivals and regional competitors like India. None of them give a monkeys about the Uighurs in truth.

Aussies are already backtracking on confronting China as was always inevitable:

Yes of course there has to be a conspiracy against muslims. Its just part of the masterplan of the west to overtake the world. Don't you ever get tired of thinking the world is out to get you.
 
Yes of course there has to be a conspiracy against muslims. Its just part of the masterplan of the west to overtake the world. Don't you ever get tired of thinking the world is out to get you.

When I point out the self evident truth you default to the " ohhh! the Muzlem conspiracy theories!!"

What was conspirational about my statement?
 
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This is acceptable and even not condemnable, chinese treats every separatists like this.
 
This BBC report is absolutely terrible. The state of the world is disgusting. I hope these people get some type of justice in this lifetime.
 
UK minister is calling for a boycott of the Beijing Winter Olympics.

I agree, unusually for me.
 
UK minister is calling for a boycott of the Beijing Winter Olympics.

I agree, unusually for me.

It should be done by the majority of countries. Only then CCP will stop this horrible practice of trying to make everyone Han.

Where we are born is pure accident. We don't control it. China has been doing this for decades.
 
I fully understand Pakistans awkward Military and Economic relationship with China. Especially when you consider the situation with the other neighbouring countries.

That said, it's important to acknowledge the Chinese regime and it's dystopian methods of brutalizing dissent in some Orwelliak way to control it's society. Sickening doesn't begin to describe China.
 
Canada's parliament declares China's treatment of Uighurs 'genocide'

Canada's House of Commons has voted overwhelmingly to declare China's treatment of its Uighur minority population a genocide.

The motion - which passed 266 to 0 - was supported by all opposition parties and a handful of lawmakers from the governing Liberal Party.

Prime Minister Justice Trudeau and most members of his cabinet abstained.

The motion makes Canada just the second country after the United States to recognise China's actions as genocide.

Lawmakers also voted to pass an amendment asking Canada to call on the International Olympic Committee to move the 2022 Winter Olympics from Beijing "if the Chinese government continues this genocide".

Mr Trudeau has so far been hesitant to label China's actions against the Uighur minority in Xinjiang a genocide, calling the term "extremely loaded" and saying further examination was needed before a decision could be made.

Just one member of his cabinet, Foreign Affairs Minister Marc Garneau, appeared in parliament for the vote. Speaking in the House of Commons, Mr Garneau said he had abstained "on behalf of the government of Canada".

Speaking ahead of the vote, opposition leader Erin O'Toole said the move was necessary to send a "clear and unequivocal signal that we will stand up for human rights and the dignity of human rights, even if it means sacrificing some economic opportunity".

In an open letter to Mr Trudeau earlier this month asking him to "stand up to China", Mr O'Toole noted the recent banning of BBC World News from China - a decision that followed a BBC report alleging systematic rape, sexual abuse and torture in China's "re-education" camps in Xinjiang.

Monday's non-binding motion marks the latest escalation in Canada-China relations, which have soured over recent years.

At the weekend, China's ambassador to Canada Cong Peiwu told the Canadian Press that the motion was "interfering in [China's] domestic affairs".

"We firmly oppose that because it runs counter to facts," he said. "There's nothing like genocide happening in Xinjiang at all."

Rights groups believe that China has detained up to a million Uighurs over the past few years in what the state defines as "re-education camps".

BBC investigations suggest that Uighurs are being used as forced labour.

Canada's symbolic motion does not lay out next steps, but says the Canadian government needs to follow the lead of its US neighbours.

Both the current and former US Secretaries of State, Anthony Blinken and Mike Pompeo, have declared that China's policies against Uighur Muslims and other ethnic minorities in its western Xinjiang region constitute genocide.

Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56163220.
 
Honestly, even if it wouldn't have fit the classical definition of a genocide, it shouldn't be any less condemned. Let's hear you condemn it, [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] saab, you're such a champion of Islam and Muslims usually.
 
Honestly, even if it wouldn't have fit the classical definition of a genocide, it shouldn't be any less condemned. Let's hear you condemn it, [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] saab, you're such a champion of Islam and Muslims usually.

Na he won’t. He is like PMIK and Trudeau who will dodge anti-China question, but will never miss an opportunity to bash India or any other country. We call them #Hypocrites.
 
It is really beyond me how anyone can say with a straight face this ain’t happening. There’s nothing we can do (even India in the middle of a skirmish with China didn’t vote against China) at a governmental level but at a personal level there is no reason why we need to excuse this.
 
So China loving useless PM of ours decided to abstain from voting on Human Rights issue.Great

I wonder what will his liberal supporters got to say about him now? Wasn’t he some sort of messiah to protect minorities? He is nothing but a lying snitch who will take Canada to the ground soon.

Even India abstained from voting against China in UN despite all the reason they had (skirmish, rivalry etc) so if they’re not doing it I really don’t see many countries asides from US having the balls to do this.
 
Even India abstained from voting against China in UN despite all the reason they had (skirmish, rivalry etc) so if they’re not doing it I really don’t see many countries asides from US having the balls to do this.

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39 countries voted against China on this, - Highlighted big ones..

Albania, Australia, Austria, Belgium, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Canada, Croatia, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Haiti, Honduras, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, the Marshall Islands, Monaco, Nauru, the Netherlands, New Zealand, North Macedonia, Norway, Palau, Poland, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, the United Kingdom, and the United States.


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45 countries voted to support China's stance.

Angola, Bahrain, Belarus, Burundi, Cambodia, Cameroon, the Central African Republic, China, Comoros, Congo, Cuba, Dominica, Egypt, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Gabon, Grenada, Guinea, Guinea Bissau, Iran, Iraq, Kiribati, Laos, Madagascar, Morocco, Mozambique, Myanmar, Nepal, Nicaragua, Pakistan, Palestine, Russia, Saudi Arabia, South Sudan, Sri Lanka, Sudan, Syria, Tanzania, Togo, Uganda, the UAE, Venezuela, Yemen, and Zimbabwe.
 
Even India abstained from voting against China in UN despite all the reason they had (skirmish, rivalry etc) so if they’re not doing it I really don’t see many countries asides from US having the balls to do this.

India also has a huge 2-way trade with China despite the skirmish. The very fact that there is enough exposure about the whole Uighur situation to get reaction out of the big nations, means India has made its play.
 
India also has a huge 2-way trade with China despite the skirmish. The very fact that there is enough exposure about the whole Uighur situation to get reaction out of the big nations, means India has made its play.

The big nations care not one jot about the Uighur situation, for us it is more about the threat that China poses to our dominance of world trade. India may have it's own reasons for opposing China, not really sure what they are, couldn't care less. Although if we can get some side benefit from China and India going head to head, obviously we will take it.
 
The big nations care not one jot about the Uighur situation, for us it is more about the threat that China poses to our dominance of world trade. India may have it's own reasons for opposing China, not really sure what they are, couldn't care less. Although if we can get some side benefit from China and India going head to head, obviously we will take it.

Not sure where you were going with it but yes of course the world doesn’t care about Uighur, everyone has their own set of problems. Same way Rhianna is not a farmer or the world gives a damn about Kashmir situation.

It’s all political play anyway.


When a country claims to be protector of Islam as its only selling point, questions on hypocrisy will be legitimately asked. It’s totally understandable Pakistan ignoring the Uighur situation, that’s actually a step in the right direction: home/country first before some deluded vision of an Islamic utopia is the way to go , however sometimes the message seems to be still lost with Pakistans approach . May be one step at a time
 
Not sure where you were going with it but yes of course the world doesn’t care about Uighur, everyone has their own set of problems. Same way Rhianna is not a farmer or the world gives a damn about Kashmir situation.

It’s all political play anyway.


When a country claims to be protector of Islam as its only selling point, questions on hypocrisy will be legitimately asked. It’s totally understandable Pakistan ignoring the Uighur situation, that’s actually a step in the right direction: home/country first before some deluded vision of an Islamic utopia is the way to go , however sometimes the message seems to be still lost with Pakistans approach . May be one step at a time

I see...so your concern was not so much about the Uighur plight, it was more that you wished to talk about Pakistan and why that country hadn't stepped in. Perhaps you feel as one of the world leading nations, Pakistan is in a better position to take on China than the other world leading nations?
 
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Even India abstained from voting against China in UN despite all the reason they had (skirmish, rivalry etc) so if they’re not doing it I really don’t see many countries asides from US having the balls to do this.

I’m not sure the reason behind India abstained their vote, but my guess would be not provoking China to bring Kashmir issue to UNSC table. I could be wrong but it might have to do with Kashmir.

Coming to Canada, Our PM skipped the important motion in house in CANADA, not UN. Not just PM but his entire cabinet decided to abstain which is quite ridiculous considering how Trudeau have been voicing ‘Human Rights’ issues all over the world. Interestingly, lot of his MP decided to vote in favour of the motion which resulted in 266-0. Now, PM will have to adopt officially(whether he likes it or not) that Genocide is taking place in Xinjiang province.
I have always maintained that he is clown of highest order and just playing to vow his voters. He is no messiah nor a leader that we need RIGHT NOW. He must GO!
Black Face Trudeau will always be remembered as WORST PM OF CANADA
 
India also has a huge 2-way trade with China despite the skirmish. The very fact that there is enough exposure about the whole Uighur situation to get reaction out of the big nations, means India has made its play.

Lol that was not India’s play at all. Har cheez ka credit le lo :)))
 
Lol that was not India’s play at all. Har cheez ka credit le lo :)))

Yep. It was a practical decision (don't put your head in issues that you have no relevance) but disappointing (could have built up a strong reputation in south east Asia) not to take the advantage from it.
 
I see...so your concern was not so much about the Uighur plight, it was more that you wished to talk about Pakistan and why that country hadn't stepped in. Perhaps you feel as one of the world leading nations, Pakistan is in a better position to take on China than the other world leading nations?

Pakistan is not 'one of', it is the leading nation in claiming to be the watchman and security guard corp. of Muslims who roam all over this pale blue dot. Which is why we are constantly bemused by their silence in supporting these Uyghur Muslims, who should be more neighbourly than most others.
 
Yep. It was a practical decision (don't put your head in issues that you have no relevance) but disappointing (could have built up a strong reputation in south east Asia) not to take the advantage from it.

That is literally a reason every other country in the world can give.

But some strong countries like USA, Australia (despite links with China economy), Italy and even minor countries like Albania took the bold step of condemning China on a global platform whereas China’s so called rival India, sheepishly went to the side and excused itself from raising a peep against China on the global stage. This despite India’s soldiers being beaten with rods and literally pushed off cliffs by the Red army a few weeks prior. God forbid we talk about the historical context of the two ountry’s fraught relation.
 
Pakistan is not 'one of', it is the leading nation in claiming to be the watchman and security guard corp. of Muslims who roam all over this pale blue dot. Which is why we are constantly bemused by their silence in supporting these Uyghur Muslims, who should be more neighbourly than most others.

I wasn't aware that Pakistan had claimed to be the watchman and security guard corp. of Muslims, but you seem pretty sure of it, perhaps you can guide me where I might find evidence of such declarations?
 
Just like in the 70s 80s our generals went in the American camp to the detriment of pakistan and the fallout with afghan war war on terror.


They have now hitched themselves up in the wrong camp again with china and the mounting cpec debt . Wonder what damage these generals will cause now for Pakistan.
 
Just like in the 70s 80s our generals went in the American camp to the detriment of pakistan and the fallout with afghan war war on terror.


They have now hitched themselves up in the wrong camp again with china and the mounting cpec debt . Wonder what damage these generals will cause now for Pakistan.

China is any day better than USA when it comes to trust. Just they dont have their own hollywood to sing songs about america.
 
Just like in the 70s 80s our generals went in the American camp to the detriment of pakistan and the fallout with afghan war war on terror.


They have now hitched themselves up in the wrong camp again with china and the mounting cpec debt . Wonder what damage these generals will cause now for Pakistan.

Which other camp is there that they could hitch their wagon to? You've ruled out the two big ones so I assume you have some alternative.
 
I wasn't aware that Pakistan had claimed to be the watchman and security guard corp. of Muslims, but you seem pretty sure of it, perhaps you can guide me where I might find evidence of such declarations?

He was being hyperbolic, but I'll jump in. Imran went on a tirade about the whole France situation and cried about Islamaphobia to other Muslim countries, so it seems disingenuous that he would not take a stand against Muslim subjugation in the case where it would require more than just pretty words. I like Imran Khan, and think he's good for Pakistan, but he should focus on Pakistan rather than worrying about some cartoons in France, especially when he isn't able to speak out against Muslim genocide (and I understand why he can't, but it looks very hypocritical now). There is a huge issue with minorities in Pakistan, so IK should work on the country being a shining example of tolerance before criticising others.
 
That is literally a reason every other country in the world can give.

But some strong countries like USA, Australia (despite links with China economy), Italy and even minor countries like Albania took the bold step of condemning China on a global platform whereas China’s so called rival India, sheepishly went to the side and excused itself from raising a peep against China on the global stage. This despite India’s soldiers being beaten with rods and literally pushed off cliffs by the Red army a few weeks prior. God forbid we talk about the historical context of the two ountry’s fraught relation.

I don't think one should try trigger another even if it's an enemy. Though, Pakistan has been on its propaganda on Kashmir, but China is yet to take any active stance (same principle of if it doesn't concern me, I won't put my head into it).

I can take any aggressive stance against you because whatever you do, I won't get affected. But if I have known you in real life and you were my neighbor, I would have considered my stance twice before going ahead. It's just how you differentiate your priorities.

The point is, sometimes in life, there are no right or wrong answer. Every decision come with it's own pros or cons and you'll have to decide case to case basis. If there's no liability, it is easier to make any decision. If there is, then it becomes a different scenario.
 
He was being hyperbolic, but I'll jump in. Imran went on a tirade about the whole France situation and cried about Islamaphobia to other Muslim countries, so it seems disingenuous that he would not take a stand against Muslim subjugation in the case where it would require more than just pretty words. I like Imran Khan, and think he's good for Pakistan, but he should focus on Pakistan rather than worrying about some cartoons in France, especially when he isn't able to speak out against Muslim genocide (and I understand why he can't, but it looks very hypocritical now). There is a huge issue with minorities in Pakistan, so IK should work on the country being a shining example of tolerance before criticising others.

My conversation with Dada was about how the world can help the Uihghurs. I am not really sure how waffling about IK's France address is going to make any difference. Do you have any suggestions about how they Uighurs in China may realistically be rescued from their plight?
 
Honestly, even if it wouldn't have fit the classical definition of a genocide, it shouldn't be any less condemned. Let's hear you condemn it, [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] saab, you're such a champion of Islam and Muslims usually.

Not sure why you tagged me but since you champion athiesm on here and at home, ill reply. :)

My views havent changed. There is no evidence of a genocide, this is absurd. China is detaining Uighurs but its an ethnic seperatist conflict going back a century +. Ideally yes they should be treated better but China doesnt play when it comes to anyone trying to break THEIR country. The only real evidence we have is from the Chinese , their camps are not like G-Bay , more like education facilities. Tibetan Bhuddists have been treated worse but no mention of them by most people.

US, Europe and others dont care about Muslims, otherwise they wouldnt have installed policies which have resulted in 4 million dead. This is more anti-China by those.
 
Not sure why you tagged me but since you champion athiesm on here and at home, ill reply. :)

My views havent changed. There is no evidence of a genocide, this is absurd. China is detaining Uighurs but its an ethnic seperatist conflict going back a century +. Ideally yes they should be treated better but China doesnt play when it comes to anyone trying to break THEIR country. The only real evidence we have is from the Chinese , their camps are not like G-Bay , more like education facilities. Tibetan Bhuddists have been treated worse but no mention of them by most people.

US, Europe and others dont care about Muslims, otherwise they wouldnt have installed policies which have resulted in 4 million dead. This is more anti-China by those.

If it's only separatism, why are they being forced to eat bacon and drink alcohol? Why are some women being sterilised? Why is the Quran being rewritten in China? You are bending over backwards to support your Chinese overlords, and it's embarrassing, and you cried so hard over the French cartoon situation. So a country not 'playing' when it comes to their country justifies this? What if India decided Muslims were 'breaking' their country and did the same? All is fair, right? Or you could be like me and say it's all wrong.

The difference with Western foreign policy is that it's a geopolitical game, not motivated by the religion of the people. The US has ravaged South (and Central) America just as bad as it has done with the Middle East, it's all about consolidating power and prophet. China are doing this with a large religious component, but you can't accept it.
 
Not sure why you tagged me but since you champion athiesm on here and at home, ill reply. :)

My views havent changed. There is no evidence of a genocide, this is absurd. China is detaining Uighurs but its an ethnic seperatist conflict going back a century +. Ideally yes they should be treated better but China doesnt play when it comes to anyone trying to break THEIR country. The only real evidence we have is from the Chinese , their camps are not like G-Bay , more like education facilities. Tibetan Bhuddists have been treated worse but no mention of them by most people.

US, Europe and others dont care about Muslims, otherwise they wouldnt have installed policies which have resulted in 4 million dead. This is more anti-China by those.

Are you deliberately ignorant?
 
If it's only separatism, why are they being forced to eat bacon and drink alcohol? Why are some women being sterilised? Why is the Quran being rewritten in China? You are bending over backwards to support your Chinese overlords, and it's embarrassing, and you cried so hard over the French cartoon situation. So a country not 'playing' when it comes to their country justifies this? What if India decided Muslims were 'breaking' their country and did the same? All is fair, right? Or you could be like me and say it's all wrong.

The difference with Western foreign policy is that it's a geopolitical game, not motivated by the religion of the people. The US has ravaged South (and Central) America just as bad as it has done with the Middle East, it's all about consolidating power and prophet. China are doing this with a large religious component, but you can't accept it.

They are not my overloads, if you know anything about Islam, it's we only bow down to the One true God. We are not athiests who worship themselves or celebs.

The answer has already been provided, Chinese destroyed countless monasteries, imprisoned countless Bhuddits, stopped them from spouting their sepratist agenda via their holy places, preeeching etc. They are not doing this to all Bhuddists and likewise not to all Muslims which includes the majority of Muslims and Bhuddists. Therefore only a complete idiot would think the Chinese have an issue with Muslims because of their religion.

LOL. US war on Terror is/was as much a war on Islam. I could educate you for you hours but Im not sure you have the ability to understand. Western forces had bible verses on their guns when they arrived in Afghanistan. There has been a huge industry of Islamaphobia created to excuse the terrorist war on terror. In fact you yourself have been brainwashed by this . lol.
 
Its resting in the same folder as where you have kept the proof of russian guy being a CIA asset:ds:ds:ds:ds:ds:ds:ds:ds
 
They are not my overloads, if you know anything about Islam, it's we only bow down to the One true God. We are not athiests who worship themselves or celebs.

The answer has already been provided, Chinese destroyed countless monasteries, imprisoned countless Bhuddits, stopped them from spouting their sepratist agenda via their holy places, preeeching etc. They are not doing this to all Bhuddists and likewise not to all Muslims which includes the majority of Muslims and Bhuddists. Therefore only a complete idiot would think the Chinese have an issue with Muslims because of their religion.

LOL. US war on Terror is/was as much a war on Islam. I could educate you for you hours but Im not sure you have the ability to understand. Western forces had bible verses on their guns when they arrived in Afghanistan. There has been a huge industry of Islamaphobia created to excuse the terrorist war on terror. In fact you yourself have been brainwashed by this . lol.

New flash for you: modern warfare is all about national interests... it has nothing whatsoever to do with religion. Religion is just a personal thing for most people like you or even these American soldiers who are sent to fight a war they don’t even fully understand the reasons for. All they know is they are fighting for their country and can get taken out any day. Just like any Muslim or hindu or jew in the war zone. If you are a person of faith what do you do? Muslims will have Quranic verses, christians will have scripture with them, on the guns, or hanging around the neck or tattooed, whatever.. don’t make it out like it’s a modern day crusade. It’s just about some people to make money or whatever.
 
They are not my overloads, if you know anything about Islam, it's we only bow down to the One true God. We are not athiests who worship themselves or celebs.

The answer has already been provided, Chinese destroyed countless monasteries, imprisoned countless Bhuddits, stopped them from spouting their sepratist agenda via their holy places, preeeching etc. They are not doing this to all Bhuddists and likewise not to all Muslims which includes the majority of Muslims and Bhuddists. Therefore only a complete idiot would think the Chinese have an issue with Muslims because of their religion.

LOL. US war on Terror is/was as much a war on Islam. I could educate you for you hours but Im not sure you have the ability to understand. Western forces had bible verses on their guns when they arrived in Afghanistan. There has been a huge industry of Islamaphobia created to excuse the terrorist war on terror. In fact you yourself have been brainwashed by this . lol.

If anyone worships celebrities, it's Muslims. They go crazy over any Muslim celebrity, especially converts, very cringe.

You are such a disingenuous, brainwashed boy. What utility is there to feeding them pork and alcohol and changing the Quran if they aren't attacking people (at least in part) on the basis of their religion? If any other country did this, you wouldn't defend it. France is just as harsh on every other religion, but you don't excuse them for their (far inferior) 'transgressions' against Islam.

Again, you can play the victim all you want, but that doesn't explain why the US has had just as big a part in the Americas (which are overwhelmingly Christian) as they have in the ME. You can't educate anyone, you don't follow evidence, only feelings, as your anti-vax, anti-evolution and overall anti-science views show. Sure, some soldiers may have used Christianity as a rallying cry, and they're stupid. But to say the war on terror was motivated because of Islam? Come off it, you just want more victim points.

Keep defending the defacing of the religion you revere so much because it's inconvenient of you to condemn it. I wonder what Allah would think. :)
 
In the latest instalment of Chinese state propaganda slandering an oppressed minority:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-xinjiang/inferior-women-china-counters-uighur-criticism-with-explicit-pr-attacks-idUSKCN2AT1BA

China, under growing global pressure over its treatment of a Muslim minority in its far west, is mounting an unprecedented and aggressive campaign to push back, including explicit attacks on women who have made claims of abuse.

As allegations of human rights violations in Xinjiang mount, with a growing number of Western lawmakers accusing China of genocide, Beijing is focussing on discrediting the female Uighur witnesses behind recent reports of abuse.

Chinese officials have named women, disclosed what they say is private medical data and information on the women’s fertility, and accused some of having affairs and one of having a sexually transmitted disease. The officials said the information was evidence of bad character, invalidating the women’s accounts of abuse in Xinjiang.

“To rebuke some media’s disgusting acts, we have taken a series of measures,” Xu Guixiang, the deputy head of Xinjiang’s publicity department, told a December news conference that was part of China’s pushback campaign. It includes hours-long briefings, with footage of Xinjiang residents and family members reading monologues.

A Reuters review of dozens of hours of presentations from recent months and hundreds of pages of literature, as well as interviews with experts, shows a meticulous and wide-reaching campaign that hints at China’s fears that it is losing control of the Xinjiang narrative.

“One reason that the Communist Party is so concerned about these testimonies from women is because it undermines their initial premise for what they’re doing there, which is anti-terrorism”, said James Millward, a professor of Chinese history at Georgetown University and expert in Xinjiang policy.

“The fact that there are so many women in the camps ... who don’t have the faintest appearance of being violent people, this just shows how this has nothing to do with terrorism.”

Uighurs make up most of the 1 million people that a United Nations estimate says have been detained in Xinjiang camps under what the central government calls a campaign against terrorism. Accusations by activists and some Western politicians include torture, forced labour and sterilisations.

In rare U.S. bipartisan agreement, the top diplomats of the former administration of Donald Trump and the new one of Joe Biden have called China’s treatment of the Uighurs genocide, a stance adopted last week by the Canadian and Dutch parliaments.

China faces sanctions such as a ban on U.S purchases of Xinjiang cotton and tomatoes, and calls by some Western lawmakers to boycott the 2022 Beijing Winter Olympics.

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs did not immediately respond to a request for comment on Monday. The government denies accusations of abuse at the “vocational training centres” in the remote western region, and says claims of systematic sexual abuse are unfounded.

Beijing has rejected calls for an independent U.N. investigation into Xinjiang’s internment program. Journalists and diplomats have not been permitted access to the camps outside of tightly controlled government tours. Uighurs in Xinjiang have told Reuters they fear reprisals for speaking to press while in China

China’s tightly controlled, invitation-only media events on Xinjiang require journalists to submit questions days or weeks in advance. They include pre-recorded videos and prepared testimony by former camp inmates and religious figures.

Beijing has packaged content from the events in two volumes titled, “The Truth About Xinjiang: Exposing the US-Led Lies and Slanders About Xinjiang.”

In January, the Twitter account of China’s U.S. embassy was suspended for a tweet that said Uighur women had been “baby-making machines” before Beijing instituted its system of camps.

“The biological, the reproductive, the gendered aspect of this is particularly horrifying to the world,” said Georgetown’s Millward. China “seems to have recognised that... You now see them trying in this clumsy way to respond.”

During a regular daily press briefing last week, foreign ministry spokesman Wang Wenbin held up images of witnesses who had described sexual abuse in Xinjiang. The account of one of them, he said, was “lies and rumours” because she had not recounted the experience in previous interviews. He gave medical details about the woman’s fertility.

Xinjiang officials in January said a woman who had spoken to foreign media had syphilis, and they showed images of medical records - unsolicited information that was not directly related to her account.

A Xinjiang government official said of another witness last month: “Everyone knows about her inferior character. She’s lazy and likes comfort, her private life is chaotic, her neighbours say that she committed adultery while in China.”

Last week, the top spokeswoman for China’s foreign ministry, Hua Chunying, tweeted images of four named witnesses, saying they had “raked their brains for lies”, adding “they will never succeed.”

China has declined to provide data on the number of people in the camps. Beijing initially denied the camps existed but now says they are vocational and education centres and that all the people have “graduated”.
 
'If the others go I'll go': Inside China's scheme to transfer Uighurs into work

China's policy of transferring hundreds of thousands of Uighurs and other ethnic minorities in Xinjiang to new jobs often far from home is leading to a thinning out of their populations, according to a high-level Chinese study seen by the BBC.

The government denies that it is attempting to alter the demographics of its far-western region and says the job transfers are designed to raise incomes and alleviate chronic rural unemployment and poverty.

But our evidence suggests that - alongside the re-education camps built across Xinjiang in recent years - the policy involves a high risk of coercion and is similarly designed to assimilate minorities by changing their lifestyles and thinking.

The study, which was meant for the eyes of senior officials but accidentally placed online, forms part of a BBC investigation based on propaganda reports, interviews, and visits to factories across China.

And we ask questions about the possible connections between transferred Uighur labour and two major western brands, as international concern mounts over the extent to which it is already ingrained in global supply chains.

In a village in southern Xinjiang, hay is being gathered in the fields and families are placing fruit and flatbreads on their supas, the low platforms around which Uighur family life has traditionally revolved.

But the warm wind blowing across the Taklamakan desert is bringing with it worry and change.

The video report, broadcast by China's Communist Party-run news channel, shows a group of officials in the centre of the village, sitting under a red banner advertising jobs in Anhui Province, 4,000km away.

After two full days, the reporter's narration says, not a single person from the village has come forward to sign up, and so the officials begin moving from house to house.

What follows is some of the most compelling footage of China's massive campaign to transfer Uighurs, Kazakhs and other minorities in Xinjiang into factory and manual labouring jobs, often considerable distances from their homes.

Although it was broadcast in 2017, around the time the policy began to be intensified, the video has not featured in international news reporting until now.

The officials speak to one father who is clearly reluctant to send his daughter, Buzaynap, so far away.

"There must be someone else who'd like to go," he tries to plead. "We can make our living here, let us live a life like this."

They speak directly to 19-year old Buzaynap, telling her that, if she stays she will be married soon and never able to leave.

"Have a think, will you go?" they ask.

Under the intense scrutiny of the government officials and state-TV journalists she shakes her head and replies, "I won't go."

Still, the pressure continues until eventually, weeping, she concedes.

"I'll go if others go," she says.

The film ends with tearful goodbyes between mothers and daughters as Buzaynap and other similarly "mobilised" recruits leave their family and culture behind.

Professor Laura Murphy is an expert in human rights and contemporary slavery at the UK's Sheffield Hallam University who lived in Xinjiang between 2004 and 2005 and has visited since.

"This video is remarkable," she told the BBC.

"The Chinese government continually says that people are volunteering to engage in these programmes, but this absolutely reveals that this is a system of coercion that people are not allowed to resist."

"The other thing it shows is this ulterior motive," she said, "that although the narrative is one of lifting people out of poverty, there's a drive to entirely change people's lives, to separate families, disperse the population, change their language, their culture, their family structures, which is more likely to increase poverty than to decrease it."

A marked shift in China's approach to its governance of Xinjiang can be traced back to two brutal attacks on pedestrians and commuters - in Beijing in 2013 and the city of Kunming in 2014 - which it blamed on Uighur Islamists and separatists.

At the heart of its response - in both the camps and the work transfer schemes - has been a drive to replace "old" Uighur loyalties to culture and the Islamic faith with a "modern" materialist identity and an enforced allegiance to the Communist Party.

This overarching goal of assimilating Uighurs into China's majority Han culture is made clear by an in-depth Chinese study of Xinjiang's job-transfer scheme, circulated to senior Chinese officials and seen by the BBC.

Based on field work conducted in Xinjiang's Hotan Prefecture in May 2018, the report was inadvertently made publicly available online in December 2019 and then subsequently taken down a few months later.

Written by a group of academics from Nankai University in the Chinese city of Tianjin, it concludes that the mass labour transfers are "an important method to influence, meld and assimilate Uighur minorities" and bring about a "transformation of their thinking."

Uprooting them and relocating them elsewhere in the region or in other Chinese provinces, it says, "reduces Uighur population density."

The report was discovered online by a Uighur researcher based overseas and an archived version (Chinese) was saved before the university realized its error.

Dr Adrian Zenz, a senior fellow at the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation in Washington, has written his own analysis of the report which includes an English translation of it.

"This is an unprecedented, authoritative source written by leading academics and former government officials with high-level access to Xinjiang itself," Dr Zenz said in a BBC interview.

"The excess surplus population that somehow has to be dealt with, and labour transfers as a means to reduce the concentration of those workers in their own heartlands is, in my opinion, the most stunning admission of this report."

His analysis includes a legal opinion from Erin Farrell Rosenberg, a former senior advisor to the US Holocaust Memorial Museum, that the Nankai Report provides "credible grounds" for the crimes against humanity of forcible transfer and persecution.

In a written statement, the Chinese foreign ministry said, "The report reflects only the author's personal view and much of its contents are not in line with the facts."

"We hope that journalists will use the authoritative information released by the Chinese government as the basis for reporting on Xinjiang."

The Nankai report authors write glowingly of an effort to combat poverty underwritten by a "guarantee of voluntariness" in the work placements, and with the factories allowing the workers to "leave and return freely."

But those claims are somewhat at odds with the level of detail they provide about the way the policy works in practice.

There are "targets" to be reached, with Hotan Prefecture alone - at the time the study was undertaken - having already exported 250,000 workers, one fifth of its total working age population.

There is pressure to meet the targets, with recruiting stations set up "in every village" and officials tasked to "mobilize collectively" and "visit households," just as in 19-year-old Buzaynap's case.

And there are signs of control at every stage, with all recruits put through "political thought education," then transported to the factories in groups - sometimes as many as hundreds at a time - and "led and accompanied by political cadres in order to implement security and management."

Farmers unwilling to leave their lands or herds behind are encouraged to transfer them to a centralized government scheme that manages them in their absence.

And once they arrive in their new factory jobs, workers themselves are put under the "centralized management" of officials who "eat and live" with them.

But the report also notes that the profound discrimination at the heart of the system is getting in the way of its effective functioning, with local police forces in eastern China so alarmed by the arrival of trainloads of Uighurs, that they are sometimes turned back.

In places, it even warns that China's policies in Xinjiang may have been too extreme, for example, stating that the number of people placed in the re-education camps "far exceeds" those with suspected connections to extremism.

"The entire Uighur population should not be assumed to be rioters," it says.

The Huafu Textile Company is located on the edge of a grey industrial estate in the city of Huaibei, in China's eastern province of Anhui.

It was to this factory that Buzaynap, featured in the state-TV report, was sent.

When the BBC visited, the separate, five-story Uighur dormitory showed few signs of habitation apart from a pair of shoes placed by an open window.

At the gate, the security guard said that the Uighur workers "have gone back home," adding that it was because of the country's Covid controls, and in a statement Huafu told us that, "the company does not currently employ Xinjiang workers."

The BBC was able to find pillowcases made with Huafu yarn on sale on Amazon's UK website, although it is not possible to confirm if the product is linked to the particular factory we visited, or one of the company's other facilities.

Amazon told the BBC that it does not tolerate the use of forced labour and that where it finds products that do not meet its supply chain standards, it removes them from sale.

The BBC worked with a group of international journalists based in China, visiting a total of six factories between us.

At the Dongguan Luzhou Shoes factory in Guangzhou Province, one worker said the Uighur employees used separate dormitories and their own canteen, and another local told reporters that the company makes shoes for Skechers.

The factory has previously been linked to the US company, with unverified social media videos purportedly showing Uighur workers making Skechers product lines, and references to a relationship in online Chinese business directories.

In a statement, Skechers said it had "zero tolerance for forced labour," but did not answer questions about whether it used Dongguan Luzhou as a supplier.

Dongguan Luzhou did not respond to a request for comment.

Interviews recorded at the scene suggest the Uighur workers were free to leave the factory during their leisure time, but at other factories visited for the research, the evidence was more mixed.

In at least two cases, reporters were told of some restrictions, and at one facility in the city of Wuhan a Han Chinese employee told the BBC that his 200 or so Uighur colleagues were not allowed out at all.

Three months after Buzaynap was shown leaving her village to begin her political education training, the Chinese state-TV crew meet her again, this time in the Huafu Textile Company in Anhui.

The theme of assimilation is, once again, central to the news report.

In one scene, Buzaynap is close to tears as she is scolded for her mistakes, but eventually, a transformation is said to be taking place.

"The timid girl who didn't speak and kept her head down," we are told, "is gaining authority at work."

"Lifestyles are changing and thoughts are changing."

Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-56250915.
 
Looming China extradition deal worries Uighurs in Turkey

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-womens-day-uighur-turkey/looming-china-extradition-deal-worries-uighurs-in-turkey-idUSKBN2B01F1

Joining hundreds of women in Istanbul to protest at China’s treatment of Uighurs, Nursiman Abdurasit tearfully thinks of her jailed mother in Xinjiang and fears that Uighurs like her in Turkey may one day be sent back under an extradition deal.

Beijing approved an extradition treaty between the two nations in December and with the deal awaiting ratification by Ankara’s parliament, activists among some 40,000 Uighurs living in Turkey have stepped up efforts to highlight their plight.

Abdurasit came to Turkey to study in 2015 and lost contact with her family four years ago. Last summer she discovered her parents and two brothers had been given long jail sentences on suspicion of unspecified “terrorism-related activities”.

“I have been living with the knowledge that my mother has been in a detention centre for the last four years, experiencing repression,” she said at a protest to mark Women’s Day on an Istanbul seafront, near China’s Istanbul consulate.

The headscarved 32-year-old said she recalled International Women’s Day was her mother’s happiest day, when the family would give her presents, until she received the 13-year jail sentence.

Around her, the 1,000-strong crowd held up photos of missing relatives and waved the blue-and-white flags of the independence movement of East Turkestan, the name by which the movement refers to Xinjiang.

U.N. experts estimate at least a million Uighurs and other Muslims are held in detention centres in northwest China’s Xinjiang region and the United States said in January China has committed “genocide and crimes against humanity” by repressing Uighurs.

China denies accusations of abuses in Xinjiang, and has said the complexes it set up in the region provided vocational training to help stamp out Islamist extremism and separatism.

“China says that what we are doing is a crime, ‘what you are doing is separatism, disparaging the state’,” said Abdurasit, voicing concern about the consequences of the extradition deal waiting in a Turkish parliamentary commission.

“If this agreement is ratified, we could be extradited for this crime. So we are worried,” said the woman, who lives in a small Istanbul flat with her Uighur husband and six-year-old daughter.

Worries among Uighur Muslims living in Turkey have been exacerbated by Ankara’s dependence on China for COVID-19 vaccines, having received 15 million doses from China’s Sinovac Biotech and ordered tens of millions more.

However, Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu has denied that the extradition agreement would lead to Uighurs being sent back, describing it as a routine according similar to ones Turkey has with other countries.

A Chinese embassy spokesperson said last month that Uighurs who have been holding regular protests near China’s diplomatic premises in Turkey in recent months were trying to deceive Turkish people and damage bilateral relations.

“These people’s aim with their made-up lies is to attack the Chinese government’s Xinjiang policies, blacken China’s image and exploit the problems related to Xinjiang,” he said.

The embassy did not immediately respond to a request for comment about the protest on Monday.
 
China breaching every act in genocide convention, says legal report on Uighurs

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/09/chinas-treatment-of-uighurs-breaches-un-genocide-convention-finds-landmark-report

The Chinese government has breached every single article of the UN genocide convention in its treatment of Uighurs in Xinjiang, and bears responsibility for committing genocide, according to a landmark legal report.

The 25,000-word report, published by a non-partisan US-based thinktank, is one of the first independent, non-government legal examination of China’s treatment of Uighurs under the 1948 genocide convention.

The Chinese Communist party (CCP) has adamantly denied committing atrocities and abuses against the Uighur Muslim minority, despite a growing body of evidence.

Reports on the Uighurs have led to increasing international outrage and diplomatic and economic isolation. The US administration has already described the persecution of the Uighurs as a genocide.In Beijing on Monday, China’s foreign minister, Wang Yi, told reporters that claims of genocide in Xinjiang “could not be more preposterous”. “It is a rumour fabricated with ulterior motives and a total lie,” Wang said.

Under the UN convention, signed by 152 countries including China, a finding of genocide can be made if a party violates any one of five defined acts. Tuesday’s report by the Newlines Institute for Strategy and Policy found that the CCP had violated all of them and accused the party of clearly demonstrating an “intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group”.

“The intent to destroy the Uighurs as a group is derived from objective proof, consisting of comprehensive state policy and practice, which President Xi Jinping, the highest authority in China, set in motion,” the report said.

The five acts are: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; and forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

As evidence, the report cited reports of mass deaths, selective death sentences, and long-term imprisonment of elders, systemic torture and cruel treatment including sexual abuse and torture, interrogations and indoctrination, the targeted detention of Uighur community leaders and people of childbearing age, forced sterilisation, family separation, mass labour transfer schemes, and the transfer of Uighur children to state-run orphanages and boarding schools.

“The persons and entities perpetrating the above-indicated acts of genocide are all state agents or organs – acting under the effective control of the state – manifesting an intent to destroy the Uighurs as a group within the meaning of article II of the Genocide convention,” the executive summary said.

In creating the report, all available and verifiable evidence was studied by dozens of experts on international law, genocide studies, Chinese ethnic policies and China, the institute said. It made no recommendations.

The release of the report comes in the middle of the CCP’s most important annual political meetings, known as the “two sessions”, when the major legislative body meets to approve new legislation, and when senior ministers front the press.

China’s premier, Li Keqiang, is scheduled to take questions on Thursday. However, all press conferences are highly managed, with questions vetted ahead of time.
 
U.S. condemns China at UN rights forum for abuse of Uighurs, Tibetans

The United States on Friday condemned China's abuse of ethnic and religious minorities, including what it called "crimes against humanity and genocide" being committed in Xinjiang region against ethnic Uighurs and severe restrictions in Tibet.

Mark Cassayre, U.S. charge d'affaires, in a speech to the U.N. Human Rights Council, also said: "We condemn Hong Kong authorities' detention of democratic activists for exercising their rights and freedoms and call for their immediate release."

He urged Russia to unconditionally release Kremlin critic Alexei Navalny as well as hundreds of others he said were being unlawfully detained in Russia.

https://www.reuters.com/world/china...ghts-forum-abuse-uighurs-tibetans-2021-03-12/
 
U.S. condemns China at UN rights forum for abuse of Uighurs, Tibetans

The United States on Friday condemned China's abuse of ethnic and religious minorities, including what it called "crimes against humanity and genocide" being committed in Xinjiang region against ethnic Uighurs and severe restrictions in Tibet.

Mark Cassayre, U.S. charge d'affaires, in a speech to the U.N. Human Rights Council, also said: "We condemn Hong Kong authorities' detention of democratic activists for exercising their rights and freedoms and call for their immediate release."

He urged Russia to unconditionally release Kremlin critic Alexei Navalny as well as hundreds of others he said were being unlawfully detained in Russia.

https://www.reuters.com/world/china...ghts-forum-abuse-uighurs-tibetans-2021-03-12/

Looks like things are going to get worst for China under Biden, who wouldve thought...

Or is it all smoke screen ???
 
IA the Chinese will get their comeuppance for their evil treatment of these people. The Muslims have also become easy pray for evil treatment in Kashmir and in Burma. Its even more painful that our own kill just as many. May Allah wake up this Ummah and give us imaan to fight injustice everywhere
 
Looks like things are going to get worst for China under Biden, who wouldve thought...

Or is it all smoke screen ???

It is a smoke screen. Or at least the pretence that this is about concern for Uighurs is a smokescreen. USA opposes China because they see it as a threat to their economy and world dominance over the coming century, that is what this is really about. You know this as well.
 
EU envoys agree first China sanctions in three decades#

BRUSSELS (Reuters) - The European Union agreed on Wednesday to blacklist Chinese officials for human rights abuses, two diplomats said, the first sanctions against Beijing since an EU arms embargo in 1989 following the Tiananmen Square crackdown.

EU ambassadors approved the travel bans and asset freezes on four Chinese individuals and one entity, whose names will not be made public until formal approval by EU foreign ministers on March 22, as part of a new and wider rights sanctions list.

While the sanctions are mainly symbolic, the adoption marks a significant hardening in the EU’s policy towards China, which Brussels long regarded as a benign trading partner but now views as a systematic abuser of basic rights and freedoms.

The 1989 EU arms embargo on China, its second-largest trade partner, is still in place.

“Restrictive measures against serious human rights violations and abuses adopted,” one EU diplomat said.

The Chinese officials were accused of human rights abuses against China’s Uighur Muslim minority, EU diplomats told Reuters. They said the move reflected deep concern about the Uighurs in Europe, the United States and Canada.

Activists and U.N. rights experts say at least 1 million Muslims are being detained in camps in the remote western region of Xinjiang. The activists and some Western politicians accuse China of using torture, forced labour and sterilisations.

The Dutch parliament followed Canada and the United States in labelling China’s treatment of the Uighurs as genocide, which China rejects.

On Twitter, the Chinese mission to the EU republished comments on the new sanctions made on Tuesday by China’s ambassador to the bloc, Zhang Ming, saying that Beijing would not change its policies.

“Sanctions are confrontational,” the Chinese mission said on Twitter. “We want dialogue, not confrontation. We ask the EU side to think twice. If some insist on confrontation, we will not back down, as we have no options other than fulfilling our responsibilities to the people.”

China denies any human rights abuses in Xinjiang and says its camps provide vocational training and are needed to fight extremism. Beijing has on numerous occasions invited EU ambassadors to Xinjiang but envoys say they cannot visit under the strict conditions and monitoring set by Chinese authorities.

The EU has also called for the release of jailed ethnic Uighur economics professor Ilham Tohti, who was jailed for life in 2014. He was awarded the European Parliament’s human rights prize in 2019.

The EU’s full sanctions list of 11 names approved by EU ambassadors also includes officials from Russia, Libya, South Sudan and North Korea, diplomats said.

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN2B91DC
 
Four Chinese officials will be sanctioned by the UK over "appalling violations" of human rights against Uighur Muslims in Xinjiang province, the foreign secretary has announced.

Sanctions have also been placed on an official body - Xinjiang Production and Construction Corps Public Security Bureau.

Dominic Raab said that evidence points to a "highly disturbing programme of repression" in Xinjiang and the world "cannot simply look the other way" as "one of the worst human rights crises of our time" unfolds.

The US, Canada and the European Union have also introduced sanctions.

Mr Raab told the Commons that the "evidence is clear as it is sobering" when it comes to what is happening in Xinjiang.

The foreign secretary said: "It includes satellite imagery, survivor testimony, official documentation and indeed leaks from the Chinese government itself, credible open source reporting including from Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International, visits by British diplomats to the region that have corroborated other reports about the targeting of specific ethnic groups."


Mr Raab added: "Expressions of religion have been criminalised, Uighur language and culture discriminated against on a systematic scale.

"There is widespread use of forced labour, women forcibly sterilised, children separated from their parents.

"An entire population subject to surveillance, including collection of DNA, use of facial recognition software and so called predictive policing algorithms."

In January, the foreign secretary labelled China's treatment of Uighur Muslims as "barbarism" and announced new measures to stop UK companies trading with Chinese firms connected to forced labour.

He said there was clear evidence of "internment camps, forced labour, arbitrary detention, political re-education and forced sterilisation, all on an industrial scale".

Amid this backdrop, MPs are set to vote on amendments to the Trade Bill aimed at stopping trade pacts with countries involved in genocide.

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Facebook removes accounts of 'China-based hackers' targeting Uighurs

Facebook has removed a group of China-based hackers it says targeted members of the Uighur community living abroad.

It said hackers used malicious websites and apps to infect devices and allow for remote surveillance, with journalists and activists targeted.

A majority of the cyber attacks didn't happen directly on Facebook but used the social media platform to share links to infected sites.

This is not the first time hackers have been accused of such activity.

The Uighurs are originally from the north-western region Xinjiang region of China and those targeted are currently living in places including Turkey, the United States, Australia and Canada.

"This activity had the hallmarks of a well-resourced and persistent operation, while obfuscating who's behind it," Facebook's Mike Dvilyanski, head of cyber espionage investigations, and Nathaniel Gleicher, head of security policy, said in a blog post.

Facebook said it removed accounts - which totalled fewer than 100 - it found to have been created by the hackers, a group known as Earth Empusa or Evil Eye.

It believes fewer than 500 accounts were targeted.

Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-56518467.
 
Uighur people from Xinjiang working in other parts of China are subject to "political" checks and work under strict "half-military" style management, according to new evidence discovered by Sky News.

The Xinjiang government runs an official "labour transfer programme", according to its 2019 Five Year Plan, "so as to provide more employment opportunities for the surplus rural labour force".

Workers are "transferred to employment" in other provinces of China.

A report from the Australian Strategic Policy Institute estimated that at least 80,000 Uighur workers were transferred out of Xinjiang between 2017 and 2019, although it said the actual figure was likely to be far higher.

Human rights groups have warned that such strict controls could amount to forced labour.

The Chinese government has previously described such claims as "the lie of the century". It did not respond to our request for comment on this story.

Facilitating labour transfers relies on a network of private agents.

On Chinese websites, there are dozens of postings advertising Uighur labour, in batches of 50 to 100 workers.

Baidu, the company hosting the job postings, did not respond to a request for comment.

Those adverts suggest tight political and social controls. One states that the "security of workers will be guaranteed by the government".

Uighur workers would be escorted by buses if they wanted to leave the factory, the owner told us
We contacted numbers left on the labour adverts.

One agent told us that workers from Xinjiang needed to be "examined politically" before they could be transferred.

The local government of the receiving province would also do a "political examination".

All workers would be accompanied by "supervisors", the agent said, and "under half-military management".

Another said that without local government approval, workers could not be arranged because "the ethnic minority issue is a severe problem".

A third said the salary of the "supervisors" was paid by the Personnel Bureau of the Xinjiang government.

State media often celebrates the working conditions of Uighur workers in other parts of China.

One local news video describes 200 Uighur workers at a factory in Shandong, a coastal province in east China, saying: "Supported by all relevant government departments, the company develops well.

"They will continue creating a harmonious work environment for our Uighur compatriots."

The owner of the factory, a seafood processing plant, said that all the Uighur workers had returned home to Xinjiang because of the pandemic and that reports of forced labour was "nonsense".

He said that workers went there because they chose to, earned at least £300 per month, and had air conditioners in their on-site dormitories.

Those dormitories were monitored by CCTV in a front office which also contained riot control gear.

If workers wished to leave the factory, the owner told us, the company would take them in two buses.

Twelve police officers and Communist Party officials then arrived.

They questioned us for two hours, before ordering us to leave town.

At another seafood processing factory in the same province, which until recently had a UK subsidiary, according to Companies House filings, a manager waiting at the entrance said there were no Uighur workers, nor had there been in the several years he had worked there.

But an article on the company's own website, posted on 18 March 2020, shows Uighur workers arriving from Xinjiang.

The accompanying announcement says that their arrival will help alleviate poverty and the "integration of the national family".

The post has since been deleted.

https://news.sky.com/story/new-evid...ctories-thousands-of-miles-from-home-12276248
 
Muslims ought to be wary of assertions made by Western governments and their propaganda arm, corporate media, about atrocities perpetrated against Muslim minorities by non-compliant States, like China or Russia (or, indeed, any other country). The West has a terrible record of weaponizing Muslims against those nations it deems to be existential threats to its hegemonic, imperial designs.

In this regard, we may recall how al-Mujaahidun were trained, armed, funded by the US in order to defeat and expel the USSR in Afghanistan. These fighters were then transformed into 'terrorists' the moment their purpose had been served.

This standard operating procedure was employed against Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen - with Iran the next target, along with China and Russia, all three nations being militarily encircled by Western forces with an obvious attempt to contain and control them.

Millions of Muslims and non-Muslims have been slaughtered, maimed and displaced - entire nations reduced to rubble - through the perpetual war agenda of the US and its vassals. To believe that Western governments or corporate media give two hoots about the welfare of Chinese Muslims - or any other minority community on the planet - is to believe in the tooth fairy. The West has zero credibility, and all its anti-China propaganda is designed to elicit an outraged response from Muslims, to incite them to take up arms against the Chinese State, thereby destabilizing it and, perhaps, destroying it. Muslims are nothing but proxies in the battle of the superpowers.

I would urge my Muslim brethren to research the individuals, organizations and institutions that claim Muslims in China are being persecuted or genocide is being committed against them. If the West wishes to end the genocide of innocent and impoverished Muslims, it might focus its attention upon Yemen.
 
Muslims ought to be wary of assertions made by Western governments and their propaganda arm, corporate media, about atrocities perpetrated against Muslim minorities by non-compliant States, like China or Russia (or, indeed, any other country). The West has a terrible record of weaponizing Muslims against those nations it deems to be existential threats to its hegemonic, imperial designs.

In this regard, we may recall how al-Mujaahidun were trained, armed, funded by the US in order to defeat and expel the USSR in Afghanistan. These fighters were then transformed into 'terrorists' the moment their purpose had been served.

This standard operating procedure was employed against Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen - with Iran the next target, along with China and Russia, all three nations being militarily encircled by Western forces with an obvious attempt to contain and control them.

Millions of Muslims and non-Muslims have been slaughtered, maimed and displaced - entire nations reduced to rubble - through the perpetual war agenda of the US and its vassals. To believe that Western governments or corporate media give two hoots about the welfare of Chinese Muslims - or any other minority community on the planet - is to believe in the tooth fairy. The West has zero credibility, and all its anti-China propaganda is designed to elicit an outraged response from Muslims, to incite them to take up arms against the Chinese State, thereby destabilizing it and, perhaps, destroying it. Muslims are nothing but proxies in the battle of the superpowers.

I would urge my Muslim brethren to research the individuals, organizations and institutions that claim Muslims in China are being persecuted or genocide is being committed against them. If the West wishes to end the genocide of innocent and impoverished Muslims, it might focus its attention upon Yemen.

Agree, spot on.

Btw Ramadan Mubarak to you and your family.
 
Muslims ought to be wary of assertions made by Western governments and their propaganda arm, corporate media, about atrocities perpetrated against Muslim minorities by non-compliant States, like China or Russia (or, indeed, any other country). The West has a terrible record of weaponizing Muslims against those nations it deems to be existential threats to its hegemonic, imperial designs.

In this regard, we may recall how al-Mujaahidun were trained, armed, funded by the US in order to defeat and expel the USSR in Afghanistan. These fighters were then transformed into 'terrorists' the moment their purpose had been served.

This standard operating procedure was employed against Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen - with Iran the next target, along with China and Russia, all three nations being militarily encircled by Western forces with an obvious attempt to contain and control them.

Millions of Muslims and non-Muslims have been slaughtered, maimed and displaced - entire nations reduced to rubble - through the perpetual war agenda of the US and its vassals. To believe that Western governments or corporate media give two hoots about the welfare of Chinese Muslims - or any other minority community on the planet - is to believe in the tooth fairy. The West has zero credibility, and all its anti-China propaganda is designed to elicit an outraged response from Muslims, to incite them to take up arms against the Chinese State, thereby destabilizing it and, perhaps, destroying it. Muslims are nothing but proxies in the battle of the superpowers.

I would urge my Muslim brethren to research the individuals, organizations and institutions that claim Muslims in China are being persecuted or genocide is being committed against them. If the West wishes to end the genocide of innocent and impoverished Muslims, it might focus its attention upon Yemen.

What did you find in your research?
 
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