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The world of cricket is about to witness a thrilling showdown between two power-hitting giants - Azam Khan and Shivam Dube. Both players have been making waves in the cricketing circuit with their impressive performances, leaving fans and critics alike wondering who will achieve more success in the long run.

Azam Khan, the Pakistani batter, has been terrorizing bowlers with his aggressive style and incredible strokeplay. His ability to clear the boundary with ease has earned him a reputation as one of the most feared hitters in the game.

On the other hand, Shivam Dube, the Indian all-rounder, has been impressing fans with his sheer power and versatility. His ability to hit sixes at will and his useful bowling skills make him a valuable asset to any team.

Between these two cricketers who are renowned for their hitting in T20 leagues, which one do you think will have more success in T20 internationals?
 
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One has tasted little bit of success batting against bowling line ups in the most easiest bowling league in the world.

And the other is renouned for butchering the world's toughest bowling talent available among all cricket leagues.

Azam Khan by miles. :inti
 
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Dube did okay in the t20 world cup. He wasnt the best nor did he look like he'd become a future superstar but he wasnt bad. He was a solid MO player for India.

It's just Dube is unlucky and will get the safarish tag because he's born in a country with ridiculously high standards and doesn't merit a place > Rinku Singh.

Azam Khan on the other hand is crap for even pakistani standards which in recent times went from Fakhar Zaman and Haris Sohail being our star batsmen to rizwan and babar being the star batsmen, Which shows how much the standards have fallen.

Azam Khan is low even on this spectrum
 
On an all you can eat buffet, Azam definitely defeats Dube. On a cricket match both are great match winners... for opposition
 
Master Blaster said:
One has tasted little bit of success batting against bowling line ups in the most easiest bowling league in the world.

And the other is renouned for butchering the world's toughest bowling talent available among all cricket leagues.

Azam Khan by miles. :inti
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Agreed. This is not even a fair comparison to Dube. Azam only lacks a bit in terms of fitness.

But he's miles more talented than Dube. Hes the fastest Pakistani T20 batter to 200 sixes.

His talent is severely underrated even by PAL fans.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Agreed. This is not even a fair comparison to Dube. Azam only lacks a bit in terms of fitness.

But he's miles more talented than Dube. Hes the fastest Pakistani T20 batter to 200 sixes.

His talent is severely underrated even by PAL fans.
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Allah ho Akbar
 
I promise, I genuinely thought that this was a troll thread while eating op. In fact, I'm still holding on to hope that it is
 
TheNeutralist said:
Dube can field and bowl. Thats enough to beat Azam Khan.

Off the field, Azam wins hands down :)
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Funniest part is Dube hasn't even bowled a single ball this world cup. His fielding is abysmal too. I don't know what the selectors were smoking by picking him ahead of others
 
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Azam Khan Career Stats:​

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Shivam Dube Career Stats:​

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The world of cricket is about to witness a thrilling showdown between two power-hitting giants - Azam Khan and Shivam Dube. Both players have been making waves in the cricketing circuit with their impressive performances, leaving fans and critics alike wondering who will achieve more success in the long run.

Azam Khan, the Pakistani batter, has been terrorizing bowlers with his aggressive style and incredible strokeplay. His ability to clear the boundary with ease has earned him a reputation as one of the most feared hitters in the game.

On the other hand, Shivam Dube, the Indian all-rounder, has been impressing fans with his sheer power and versatility. His ability to hit sixes at will and his useful bowling skills make him a valuable asset to any team.

Between these two cricketers who are renowned for their hitting in T20 leagues, which one do you think will have more success in T20 internationals?
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Easy win for Azam Khan, I dont see Dube getting more chances in Indian setup.
Jaiswal, gill, Abhishek, Rinku, Sanju Samson, plenty of people in the pipeline.
Azam Khan will double the career than Dube.
 
any pakistani player achieving 10% of any playing 11 players of these countries(Ind, Eng, Aus, SA, NZ) we should celebrate. Pak will be playing qualifiers in a couple of Years... Close thread please!!!!!!
 
Azam Khan has dominated the toughest league in the world with the highest bowling talent. So it has to be him. Dube was selected under Prime Minister’s Make a Wish foundation to let mediocre cricketers achieve their dream of playing the World Cup. Modi Hae to Mumkin Hae.
 
Bhaijaan said:
Azam Khan has dominated the toughest league in the world with the highest bowling talent. So it has to be him. Dube was selected under Prime Minister’s Make a Wish foundation to let mediocre cricketers achieve their dream of playing the World Cup. Modi Hae to Mumkin Hae.
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How did Joginder Sharma achieve this scheme when he was CM of Gujrat? Time machine?? :ROFLMAO:
 
Both players have the same strike rates in the t20s but Dube has played more games than Azam and has scored some runs as well.

But I don't think Dube will remain in the Indian team for long now considering his performance in the t20 world cup.

But on the other hand, Azam khan will might play for good few more year because this is PCB and here performances don't matter.
 
Azam Khan surely has talent. But talent without hardwork and fitness is nothing 👍🏻
A 90 kg Azam will get more time and flexibility to play shots, he is just 40 kg overweight.
 
Dube for all his limited nature of stroke play , produced one of the most consequential partnership with Kohli when Axar was unfortunately run out. IN that partnership he dominated Kohli. Something Azam can never say all his life.
 
Purely on weight basis Azam Khan wins over Dube ji hands down
On cricket performance they might be shame shame sorry same same
 
Dube may not even play for India ever again. Someone like Rinku or Parag might take his spot.
 
Champ_Pal said:
Dube may not even play for India ever again. Someone like Rinku or Parag might take his spot.
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well dube is also a good player but that would be unfair to him if he gets drop just after 1 series.

just like Azam Khan, BCCI must give dube chances till qayamat!
 
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Dube gets lots of hate from Indian fans for reasons beyond his actual performances. Agreed that he isn't as talented as the others he beat to make the WC Squad but he isn't as bad as the Indian fans make him out to be. The guy averages 52 in FC in 21 games and his T20/List A records aren't that bad either. Azam Khan for all the sixes he hits in different leagues isn't even close to Dube. Dube might not be talented as per Indian standards but this thread is a joke.
 
Cricket Warrior said:
well dube is also a good player but that would be unfair to him if he gets drop just after 1 series.

just like Azam Khan, BCCI must give dube chances till qayamat!
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Dube is a pure batsman. His medium pace bowling is a joke. The man bowls at 115-120k's. Not good enough. He needs to up his pace if he wants to play for India longer.

At the moment, he is a pure batsman. There are better talents available in India to play at No.5 and they can contribute in more than one department. Dube is a one trick horse.
 
giri26 said:
Dube gets lots of hate from Indian fans for reasons beyond his actual performances. Agreed that he isn't as talented as the others he beat to make the WC Squad but he isn't as bad as the Indian fans make him out to be. The guy averages 52 in FC in 21 games and his T20/List A records aren't that bad either. Azam Khan for all the sixes he hits in different leagues isn't even close to Dube. Dube might not be talented as per Indian standards but this thread is a joke.
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Agreed. It's very strange how much hate folks have for Dube. This is a guy who came into the World Cup with strike rates of 156.21, 158.33 and 162.29 in his last 3 IPL seasons with a lot of his batting on the kind of slow, low, Chennai pitch that we were likely to see in the Caribbean.

He fit exactly the slot the team needed - a left-handed spin hitter. I saw in an article (probably Cricinfo) that he was hitting a six every 7 balls or so in the last 3 years. Yes he can be neutralised to an extent by using the quicks but that's useful to the Indian team's plan too. He's surrounded by big hitters like Pant, Surya and Pandya who love the ball coming on to them. All he had to do was hold his end up and give them the strike. He played his role, if not to perfection, then very well indeed.

It's another matter that with Axar's emergence as a left-handed hitter, the need for Dube drops and we can afford a purer batter like say Rinku. In the world cup though, you can't really fault his playing the role he was asked to fill. And I say this despite being someone who wanted him dropped to create room for Jaiswal.
 
Dube was the only the third Indian to score in double figures in the World Cup Final. His 27(16)* was very crucial to the win and unfortunately will go unappreciated. He vindicated the selectors and management's faith in him even though fans will always hate him (i am guilty of that too).

One the other hand, If we go by Mr. Surgery's words and Pakistan sets a benchmark for fitness, we may never ever see Azam Khan play for Pakistan again. But, once the chairman changes, Azam will bhe bhackkkk!
 
Red-Indian said:
Agreed. It's very strange how much hate folks have for Dube. This is a guy who came into the World Cup with strike rates of 156.21, 158.33 and 162.29 in his last 3 IPL seasons with a lot of his batting on the kind of slow, low, Chennai pitch that we were likely to see in the Caribbean.

He fit exactly the slot the team needed - a left-handed spin hitter. I saw in an article (probably Cricinfo) that he was hitting a six every 7 balls or so in the last 3 years. Yes he can be neutralised to an extent by using the quicks but that's useful to the Indian team's plan too. He's surrounded by big hitters like Pant, Surya and Pandya who love the ball coming on to them. All he had to do was hold his end up and give them the strike. He played his role, if not to perfection, then very well indeed.

It's another matter that with Axar's emergence as a left-handed hitter, the need for Dube drops and we can afford a purer batter like say Rinku. In the world cup though, you can't really fault his playing the role he was asked to fill. And I say this despite being someone who wanted him dropped to create room for Jaiswal.
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The issue is that for Dube India dropped someone like Rinku - who can score against spin and pace - and averages over 80 in international t20i cricket at a strike rate of 180.

It was a big misstep that almost backfired.
 
Sir Alex said:
The issue is that for Dube India dropped someone like Rinku - who can score against spin and pace - and averages over 80 in international t20i cricket at a strike rate of 180.

It was a big misstep that almost backfired.
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That's a stretch. Rinku's had a great introduction to international T20s but his IPL strike rate over the last 3 seasons in 155, Dube's is 148. Given Rinku's form in the last IPL, you can excuse the selectors for betting on Dube. Fine margins but it paid off! That's why they make the big bucks I guess.
 
Dube's selection just shows younger lot that batting seam up allrounder is the one slot that will ensure fastest growth in Indian setup.

Literally across whole of India there are only like 4 options (Hardik, Dube, Venky Iyer, Nitish Reddy). And its not like these guys are Kallis level allrounders at domestic. They are only chip in bowlers
 
I believe Nitish Reddy could possibly be an upgrade over Pandya if he continues to progress.

His FC/LO record is impressive for a 21 year old. Bowling is his stronger suit but he can hit long and play long as his HS of 159 shows in first class cricket.
 
pratiktc said:
Dube's selection just shows younger lot that batting seam up allrounder is the one slot that will ensure fastest growth in Indian setup.

Literally across whole of India there are only like 4 options (Hardik, Dube, Venky Iyer, Nitish Reddy). And its not like these guys are Kallis level allrounders at domestic. They are only chip in bowlers
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We won the 83 world cup with a bunch of those guys. It's always been a useful type of player. Ajay Jadeja used to chip in. Ganguly could be counted on to deliver a few in the right conditions.

We missed the skill for a few years before we found Pandya. Makes such a big difference to the balance.
 
I swear to God i thought no one ever will create a new thread on Azam Khan ever again. What a waste of space. Ruined my morning 😡
 
gazza619 said:
I swear to God i thought no one ever will create a new thread on Azam Khan ever again. What a waste of space. Ruined my morning 😡
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Much as the guy himself is absurd, it's easy to see the attraction for a type of player like Azam Khan.

All big hitters seem to want to bat at the top in T20s and basically use the powerplay to score. Finishers who can go from ball one and clear a spread out field and worth their weight in gold.

Not sure even the BCCI has enough gold to afford Azam Khan's weight though!
 
Red-Indian said:
That's a stretch. Rinku's had a great introduction to international T20s but his IPL strike rate over the last 3 seasons in 155, Dube's is 148. Given Rinku's form in the last IPL, you can excuse the selectors for betting on Dube. Fine margins but it paid off! That's why they make the big bucks I guess.
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Those who followed IPL will know that Rinku was done in badly by KKR management. He hardly got a chance to bat a certain no of balls. He was often batted at bo 6 or even no 7 which is too low for a specialist batter of his ability. There is no excuse for him to bat below likes of Andre Russell and Nitish Rana. Such acts can hurt the confidence of a batter who has already proven to be a special talent.
 
Sir Alex said:
Those who followed IPL will know that Rinku was done in badly by KKR management. He hardly got a chance to bat a certain no of balls. He was often batted at bo 6 or even no 7 which is too low for a specialist batter of his ability. There is no excuse for him to bat below likes of Andre Russell and Nitish Rana. Such acts can hurt the confidence of a batter who has already proven to be a special talent.
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I don't follow IPL closely so I can't deny that might be true. However, I've heard that line from so many sport fans about their favourite player that I usually take it with a pinch of salt.

In the end, the selectors had to make a choice with the data in front of them and it must've been very tricky given how close the two players - Rinku & Dube were. They've been vindicated though. The team they selected won the tournament and the player they chose contributed.
 
26 (12), 4-0-25-2 and a run out of direct hit. Player of the Match for Shivam Dube. How will Azam Khan respond?
 
Very similar batting talent. They can’t dominate everywhere and everyone but when it’s in their arch then can start smashing big. Although Azam has dominated a relatively much superior league compared to Dube but Dube with that knock in the World Cup final has just managed a tie in this comparison for me batting wise.

Fielding wise, Dube is average while Azam is a pure liability.

Dube’s bowling is nothing special but he can just fill the gaps for his captain from time to time.

Overall Dube wins this one not because Azam has yet to leave an impact with the bat in international cricket.
 
Surprising, Dube's career number are decent 👍🏻 31 average, strike rate 130+ 🙄..

Is there any pakistani batsman with 30+ average and 130+ SR???
 
Bhaijaan said:
Very similar batting talent. They can’t dominate everywhere and everyone but when it’s in their arch then can start smashing big. Although Azam has dominated a relatively much superior league compared to Dube but Dube with that knock in the World Cup final has just managed a tie in this comparison for me batting wise.

Fielding wise, Dube is average while Azam is a pure liability.

Dube’s bowling is nothing special but he can just fill the gaps for his captain from time to time.

Overall Dube wins this one not because Azam has yet to leave an impact with the bat in international cricket.
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“Much superior league”
 
Dube played an impactful inning vs SA in WT20 final. Dube's impactful 27 off 16 in the T20 World Cup final shifted momentum towards India. Has Azzam done anything similar at any level? Dube can bowl and in recent 5th match vs Zimb got 3 wickets.
 
Bhaijaan said:
Very similar batting talent. They can’t dominate everywhere and everyone but when it’s in their arch then can start smashing big. Although Azam has dominated a relatively much superior league compared to Dube but Dube with that knock in the World Cup final has just managed a tie in this comparison for me batting wise.

Fielding wise, Dube is average while Azam is a pure liability.

Dube’s bowling is nothing special but he can just fill the gaps for his captain from time to time.

Overall Dube wins this one not because Azam has yet to leave an impact with the bat in international cricket.
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Azam can also fill gaps, even bigger ones than Dube can.
 
Azam khan is a once in a generation player and I genuinely believe that he will be the best batter ever to have played the T20 format. However what will surprise many is that he will also develop into a great ODI and Test batsman and will probably surpass Sachin's record of 100 international hundreds that too at a blistering SR.

Dube will also achieve greatness, I can see him as the best pace bowling all rounder since Jacques Kallis and is easily in the league of Kallis, Botham, Flintoff and the likes. I won't be surprised if he ends up with 500 international wickets along with 10000 international runs... A true gem for India.
 
Both have some talent, but realistically speaking this comparison is a classic example of that unfortunate phenomenon:

- a race to the bottom!
 
However, for someone who is considered as a below average player, Dube has some good numbers in T20Is.

In fact so good that it eclipses pretty much every other Pak batsman, not just present ones but historically as well !

Dube has a batting avg of 31.07 and a strike rate of 136. He has also made over 400 runs in T20Is and played over 30 T20Is which is a good sample.

Now, here comes the astounding part. There is not a single Pakistani batter dead or alive who averages as much as him and has a comparable strike rate (min 400 runs cut off). The closest one is Fakhar Zaman who has a strike rate of 133 but his batting avg is just 22.8.

In a combined list of all T20I batters to have ever played the game for India and Pakistan and has a strike rate of over 130, Dube ranks a shocking 8th in terms of batting average in a list of 24 !!!

Dube is in reality comparable to likes of best of Pak batters like Rizbar in terms of intent tbh.

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If you want a serious comparison without the obvious weight jokes on Azam, here we go-

Batting against spin: I feel against spin both can be lethal however I would rate Dube much superior as he plays domestic redball more often than Azam in India.

Batting against pace: Against Pace both are same as they have more or less similar limited hitting zones. I am assuming Azam smacks 140+ bowlers more often than Dube as from what I have seen in IPL, Dube struggles against anything 135+ especially against good quality bowlers . Haven’t seen much of Azam but on assumption putting him slightly ahead as he must have done something to be this impressive to selectors.

Extra utility: Azam is a keeper, Dube is a useful part-timer. Azam as a keeper is a bad idea as it handicaps the whole team having a limited keeper. Dube at best is your 7th bowler so Dube is ahead.

Fielding skills: Dube is average-mediocre but not the worst. He is safe and adequate and not outstanding. Needs a lot of work in that area. However I would say Dube is ahead by a mile in that area.

Fitness and discipline: Dube wins.

So that’s my take.
 
Local.Dada said:
If you want a serious comparison without the obvious weight jokes on Azam, here we go-

Batting against spin: I feel against spin both can be lethal however I would rate Dube much superior as he plays domestic redball more often than Azam in India.

Batting against pace: Against Pace both are same as they have more or less similar limited hitting zones. I am assuming Azam smacks 140+ bowlers more often than Dube as from what I have seen in IPL, Dube struggles against anything 135+ especially against good quality bowlers . Haven’t seen much of Azam but on assumption putting him slightly ahead as he must have done something to be this impressive to selectors.

Extra utility: Azam is a keeper, Dube is a useful part-timer. Azam as a keeper is a bad idea as it handicaps the whole team having a limited keeper. Dube at best is your 7th bowler so Dube is ahead.

Fielding skills: Dube is average-mediocre but not the worst. He is safe and adequate and not outstanding. Needs a lot of work in that area. However I would say Dube is ahead by a mile in that area.

Fitness and discipline: Dube wins.

So that’s my take.
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Lol bro, Azam vs 140 kph pacers ? The only edge that is evident is Azam's bat's. He last whole of 2 deliveries vs Wood and Archer in England. And both times, it was painfully embarrassing to watch
 
Dube already won the World Cup with his match-winning contribution. :dhoni
Azam Khan, a PSL bully, is no longer a competitor to Dube. Let's see if any current top Pakistani batsman, like Babar or Rizwan, can achieve the feat that Dube achieved in the T20 World Cup.
 
Skill wise both are almost the same but fitness of dube actually makes him superior compared to Azam Khan.. so my pick would be Shivam Dube.
 
Sir Alex said:
Lol bro, Azam vs 140 kph pacers ? The only edge that is evident is Azam's bat's. He last whole of 2 deliveries vs Wood and Archer in England. And both times, it was painfully embarrassing to watch
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Yeah obviously against Mark wood he had no chance. I haven’t watched much of Azam expect some social media clips.giving him the benefit of doubt:)
 
Ones a T20 WC champ, the others a 20 plate Biryani world champ...

Both are hungry albeit for different things
 
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