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So many youth from all backgrounds are falling prey to hard , class A drugs. Crime is soaring, mental ilness is increasing and families are being broken.

I am aware of a number of people who have destroyed their lives from drug abuse.

Has anyone experenced this in your area(can be any country not just the UK)?

How can this huge problem be tackled or is it too late?
 
Unfortunately its true also not to forget the opioid crisis.

For illegal drugs I think below can be done:

1. Compulsory rehab for consumers(not arrest)
2. Big time punishment for peddlers of any age or race.
3. Increasing youth programs in the communities, not all can be saved but to engage even a few would help.
4. Making it parents responsible for their children under-18 , they need to get some blame.

For legal drugs like Opioids:

No idea, when govns, medical practitioners themselves are in the pocket of pharma companies then not sure how it can be curtailed.

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Oregon decriminalized crack, we will know how that works our for them in 5 years?

My first cousin died from it, he had a son as well, its brutal, he was extremely good looking and in the end it was terrible, absolutely hate drugs.
 
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It will get worse as distrust between communities and authorities has increased, while BLM might be a good movement one of its demands is ending war on drugs, which i guess does target black people but BLM activists need to give a solution for it as well... if not war on drugs then what practically?
 
JaDed said:
Unfortunately its true also not to forget the opioid crisis.

For illegal drugs I think below can be done:

1. Compulsory rehab for consumers(not arrest)
2. Big time punishment for peddlers of any age or race.
3. Increasing youth programs in the communities, not all can be saved but to engage even a few would help.
4. Making it parents responsible for their children under-18 , they need to get some blame.

For legal drugs like Opioids:

No idea, when govns, medical practitioners themselves are in the pocket of pharma companies then not sure how it can be curtailed.

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Oregon decriminalized crack, we will know how that works our for them in 5 years?

My first cousin died from it, he had a son as well, its brutal, he was extremely good looking and in the end it was terrible, absolutely hate drugs.
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Sorry for your loss.

Good points but a few issues with these in the UK.

1. Lack of funding, the UK is broke now, many services have been suspended or cancelled.
2. Kids are often used a runners.
3. Again no funding, youths used to youth centres or community buildings to play sport, learn etc but all gone now apart from charity run.
4. This is great but once addicted often too late.
 
Three huge steps are required.
It would take many years.

First, fully decriminalise the personal use of all drugs. Make them available to buy in small, safe doses at pharmacies for those who want them. The customer would be required to register their name, address and DOB through a central computer system that would be used by all NHS and private pharmacies. This would monitor their usage over time, and persistent / frequent users would be offered various tiers of referral, support and intervention by specially trained pharmacists. The drugs would cost money out of the customer's own pocket, but the support methods and interventions would be completely free -- just the same as with NHS Stop Smoking, which has been a very successful program.

Decriminalisation of personal use in this regard would reduce the power of the drug lords and challenge their economic monopoly. It would also disrupt social classification. There is a current socioeconomic distinction made between recreational "users" and hard "addicts" - wherein the users (often the middle class and students) are perceived to have a hip and sustainable party lifestyle, but the addicts (often from more deprived social classes) are viewed as hopelessly lost, disgusting failures who are to be shunned for life - this distinction is classist, invented and false. It does not help either users or addicts. Users are often addicts without realising it. And all addicts are also users. Pharmacy electronic monitoring of drug use and buying habits over time would demonstrate the addictive potential of drugs to ALL users.

Second would come the comprehensive destigmatization of drug addiction in our culture. Promote Narcotics Anonymous to the same level as Alcoholics Anonymous. More government funding is to be directed into these groups. Run a big government TV ad campaign. Encourage ex-users and ex-addicts (such as yours truly) to volunteer themselves as sponsors for current users and addicts. Make it okay in society to talk about having a past, current, or brewing drug problem. Take away the terror, shame and embarrassment for users who are either too frightened to admit that they have a problem at all, or don't know where to go or who to speak to when they are ready to tackle their issue. Treat drug addicts not as criminals, wasters and social pariahs, but as victims with illnesses who need help from society and other people.

Finally, direct police activity and funding to target the actual drug lords, and increase prison sentences significantly for them upon conviction as well. Drug lords are usually the genuinely bad people, whereas many paid foot-soldiers underneath them in the drug running, drug dealing and drug trafficking hierarchy are victims themselves: often young, scared, unemployed users or addicts who have been quickly sucked into an unlawful system through naivety and manipulation, and fear retribution, violence and poverty if they do not continue to follow orders.

A fish rots from the top down ---- cut off its head.
 
Drug abuse can destroy you. Thats why Indian army and police are facilitating drug abuse in Kashmir. A few days back a police constable tried to expose these guys.
Anyway, parents need to watch who their kids mingle with.
 
KingKhanWC said:
So many youth from all backgrounds are falling prey to hard , class A drugs. Crime is soaring, mental ilness is increasing and families are being broken.

I am aware of a number of people who have destroyed their lives from drug abuse.

Has anyone experenced this in your area(can be any country not just the UK)?

How can this huge problem be tackled or is it too late?
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If someone is using drugs and/or alcohol a lot, they are not happy in themselves. The substances make them feel temporarily good. The trick is to find other ways for them to feel good, including religion.

There is a strong association between substance abuse and a chaotic / violent early home life. Helping such people is very hard as their behaviours are entrenched by what I have heard described as the toxic triangle of poverty, chaotic homes and substance abuse.

Family breakup is less of a result than a cause. Young lads need a strong male role model. In the absence of a constant loving father they will seek other examples, such as the gangsta on the corner in his top-line SUV. So they get drawn into dealing.

I concur with [MENTION=1842]James[/MENTION] in that decriminalisation of drug possession for personal use, then transferring the problem of rehabilitation from criminal justice to NHS is key. Make substance abuse a public health issue not a criminal issue. Huge investment in NHS mental health services should be a priority. Give big pharma control of drug distribution so it becomes taxable instead of black market.
 
The drugs policies have failed and need to be re-evaluted. Legalise all drugs including hard drugs and educate people. Sell them through formal businesses and tax them.
 
I don't think decriminalising drugs will lessen drug abuse, it will probably increase it. The upside is that at least it would remove the drug cartels and bring it into the open...to an extent. There will still be plenty who don't want to be treated like they are sick and don't want to be monitored, so I could see the black market continuing to thrive.
 
Portugal decriminalised personal drug use. Drug related crime dropped.

Alcohol and Smoking kill more than drugs. Lets ban Alcohol/Smoking first.
 
Technics 1210 said:
Portugal decriminalised personal drug use. Drug related crime dropped.

Alcohol and Smoking kill more than drugs. Lets ban Alcohol/Smoking first.
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Decriminalise murder and you'll see a sharp decline in murder related crimes.
 
Technics 1210 said:
Portugal decriminalised personal drug use. Drug related crime dropped.

Alcohol and Smoking kill more than drugs. Lets ban Alcohol/Smoking first.
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Eh feel free to go to Saudi Arabia and leave us with our spirits of choice, thanks.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
I don't think decriminalising drugs will lessen drug abuse, it will probably increase it. The upside is that at least it would remove the drug cartels and bring it into the open...to an extent. There will still be plenty who don't want to be treated like they are sick and don't want to be monitored, so I could see the black market continuing to thrive.
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In Netherlands the government imposes strict quality controls on Cannabis. Regulated high quality Cannabis as all but eliminated the black market. Plus the government earn a few bob through taxes.

Everyone is a winner.
 
drug abuse is a symptom of mental health issues. growth in mental health issues in the UK is rife, and its been hastened by the Covid lockdowns.

everything suggested here is dealing with the symptoms, the root cause is a slow societal breakdown, not like in the films where people go kill each other, but its far more insidious, and theres plenty of things which have caused it, economic inequality, social media, breakdown of family structure, etc.

a lot of people who are active addicts might not necessarily event want saving.

whilst i agree with decriminalisation from a liberalist stand point, i think the current point in societal evolution would be a terrible time to do it.
 
I'd wager that drug abuse disproportionately affects working-class people more. The cycle of poverty is hard to break, if we increase welfare then there will be many who spend more on drugs and just add to the problem. I do think decriminalisation will go a long way, but it's a huge issue which will take generations to solve.
 
Some interesting points.

Decriminalising sounds good but also sends a message drugs are ok, as they are not illegal. We know alcohol also destroys many lives and many people who dont drink die as a result of others drinking. Do we really need a society where most people are intoxicated in some form?

Policing is not an option, UK has no money.

The only way imo is to stop the naroctics entering the UK borders and big raids from the head of those who produce, when there is little to no drugs around , people simply wont be able to take them.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
I don't think decriminalising drugs will lessen drug abuse, it will probably increase it. The upside is that at least it would remove the drug cartels and bring it into the open...to an extent. There will still be plenty who don't want to be treated like they are sick and don't want to be monitored, so I could see the black market continuing to thrive.
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Anyone that wants to sell can do so without too much difficulty and if you want to take drugs, you are offered dozens of drugs and many suppliers. All this nonsense is created is a black market worth billions sucking more and more kids into looking for easy money. Legalise, tax and educate because the policy on drugs has failed with 1000s of losers in jails and millions of addicts.
 
Bewal Express said:
Anyone that wants to sell can do so without too much difficulty and if you want to take drugs, you are offered dozens of drugs and many suppliers. All this nonsense is created is a black market worth billions sucking more and more kids into looking for easy money. Legalise, tax and educate because the policy on drugs has failed with 1000s of losers in jails and millions of addicts.
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Alcohol is legal, its ruins lives and society at large.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Alcohol is legal, its ruins lives and society at large.
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And if we banned it, would it do any less damage. As societies get wealthier they look for things to alleviate their boredom, so prohibition doesn't work. We need to trust our people if we take out the rebellious nature associated with drugs. Every year I see more and more kids get sucked into selling drugs as its easy money- Its heart breaking
 
Bewal Express said:
And if we banned it, would it do any less damage. As societies get wealthier they look for things to alleviate their boredom, so prohibition doesn't work. We need to trust our people if we take out the rebellious nature associated with drugs. Every year I see more and more kids get sucked into selling drugs as its easy money- Its heart breaking
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Less people would drink it, thus less people will have an alcohol problem and less deaths etc

In an ideal world full of promise and a long lasting happy life with little struggles, drugs would be less used but we are in a world full of misery for many people, drugs is a great getaway from reality. In such a world making drugs easily available is a recipe for disaster imo.
 
Robert said:
Ah but the crime murder has a victim. The crime of drug possession does not.
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In drugs related crimes, the victim is the individual, the family and society at large. It is poison and should be seen as nothing less.
 
Madplayer said:
In drugs related crimes, the victim is the individual, the family and society at large. It is poison and should be seen as nothing less.
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So what would you do about it? Clearly the Criminal justice / War on Drugs approach doesn’t work.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Less people would drink it, thus less people will have an alcohol problem and less deaths etc

In an ideal world full of promise and a long lasting happy life with little struggles, drugs would be less used but we are in a world full of misery for many people, drugs is a great getaway from reality. In such a world making drugs easily available is a recipe for disaster imo.
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USA tried that and it caused a massive crime wave. People like to drink. Prohibition doesn’t work. Cocaine and heroine are in widespread use as per you OP despite being illegal.
 
Robert said:
USA tried that and it caused a massive crime wave. People like to drink. Prohibition doesn’t work. Cocaine and heroine are in widespread use as per you OP despite being illegal.
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They are in widespread use but they still have a stigma attached to them, I think KKWC is right to be concerned that once they are legalised, hard drugs will be seen as okay. With alcohol and tobacco we have seen that the free market approach was killing too many people and wrecking lives of impressionable youth. That is why we are having stricter and and more stringent prohibitive laws about selling those products compared to even 10 years ago.

I would imagine if drugs are legalised it will bring them more in line with substances like alcohol and tobacco eventually. All are harmful when misused and it will be a case of how to manage the sale and distribution responsibly.
 
Robert said:
Probably hit its apogee in 1969 with the Moon landings. But there have always been alcohol and drugs, in every civilisation.
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100% agreed, especially your second sentence.

I honestly think a Eurasian led couple of decades is beginning
 

Nitazenes spreading across Europe and North America - UN​


The use of nitazenes, a type of drug which can be more potent than fentanyl, is spreading across Europe and North America, the UN drug agency has warned.

The synthetic opioids have been detected in the UK, US, Slovenia, Estonia, Latvia, Belgium and Canada, the UN Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) wrote in its latest World Drug Report.

There has also been an increase in the number of deadly overdoses connected with nitazenes.

The super-strength drugs, of which there are several types, are significantly more potent than heroin. Their emergence has prompted urgent warnings from health agencies around the world.

It follows a ban on poppy cultivation in Afghanistan, which saw opium production drop by 95% in 2022.

It is too early to know what long-term effects this may have on factors such as heroin purity, the UNODC report says, but it will likely lead to heroin users switching to other opioids, which may "lead to an increase in overdoses".

A BBC investigation earlier this year found nitazenes are being smuggled into the UK inside dog food and catering supplies, and being offered for sale on social media.

The UK has classed nitazenes as class A drugs, with anyone caught making or supplying them facing life in prison. But experts say the government has been too slow to take action in getting the drug of the streets.

Fentanyl, another synthetic opioid, is 50 times more powerful than heroin. Its highly-publicised epidemic in the US contributed to 100,000 deaths in 2022, according to the Center for Disease Control and Prevention.

The UNODC's report states that "illicitly manufactured fentanyls" are still behind "unprecedented number of overdose deaths," the numbers "may be tapering off."

Global drug use increased by 20% in the past decade to 292 million users in 2022, the report said.

Cannabis remains the most widely used with 228 million users worldwide. It is followed by:

Opioids - 60 million
Amphetamines - 30 million
Cocaine - 23 million
Ecstasy - 20 million

What are Nitazenes?

Nitazenes were first developed in the 1950s as a pain-killing medication but are so potent and addictive they have never been approved for medical or therapeutic use

Injected, inhaled or swallowed, mixing them with other drugs and alcohol is extremely dangerous and significantly increases the risk of overdose and death

The new drugs are covered by the UK's Psychoactive Substances Act 2016

www.bbc.com

Nitazenes: UN sounds alarm on drugs which can be stronger than fentanyl

The synthetic opioids, which can be stronger than fentanyl, are behind an increase in overdose deaths, the UN says.
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UK is soft on criminals, drugs etc. It is why crimes and drug problems are high there.

Drug dealers should be arrested and given hefty punishments.
 
sweep_shot said:
UK is soft on criminals, drugs etc. It is why crimes and drug problems are high there.

Drug dealers should be arrested and given hefty punishments.
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They literally got the entire China addicted on Opium, soft is an understatement considering their history.
 
Statpadder Inc said:
Well being tough on drugs failed in the US, so what should be done
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US is not tough enough.

There is no real drug problem in gulf states, Singapore, Indonesia etc. They know how to fix it. Maybe US and UK can implement their methods.

I think one solution is to have death penalties for convicted drug dealers.
 
sweep_shot said:
US is not tough enough.

There is no real drug problem in gulf states, Singapore, Indonesia etc. They know how to fix it. Maybe US and UK can implement their methods.

I think one solution is to have death penalties for convicted drug dealers.
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They don’t share borders with Latin countries or have so many ports of entry.
Please check who is involved in drug trade in these countries.
 
JaDed said:
They don’t share borders with Latin countries or have so many ports of entry.
Please check who is involved in drug trade in these countries.
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CIA? Are they involved? I read something like that.

Wouldn't be surprised. America/CIA are responsible for many messes on Earth.
 
sweep_shot said:
CIA? Are they involved? I read something like that.

Wouldn't be surprised. America/CIA are responsible for many messes on Earth.
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They are definitely responsible but they don’t hold a candle to the issues created by Europe in the world.
 
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