Cocaine traces found from Raza Hasan's blood test - Likely to face a ban [Update post # 147]

[IndianWillow]

I fail to understand why a Spinner need a performance enhancing drug?

Can someone explain how it improves a spinners game?

Performance enhancing drugs aid all kinds of players, even where the excessive muscle mass and strength is not needed. If your training capability is only fours hours a day, drugs could enable you to train eight hours a day - which will give you unfair advantage over other players who will tire quicker during training.

 

[Indiafan]

Same in India. Just check out how many Indians favoured unproven spinners over Ashwin prior to the WC. Ashwin served them humble pies. The grass is always greener on the other side.

Eh, how do you know that guy wouldn't have been better? Would have definitely done better than Jadeja who was useless

 

[Pantani]

Performance enhancing drugs aid all kinds of players, even where the excessive muscle mass and strength is not needed. If your training capability is only fours hours a day, drugs could enable you to train eight hours a day - which will give you unfair advantage over other players who will tire quicker during training.

You're quite right, with sports doping, endurance really is the key. Taking anabolic steroids and growth hormones to build bigger muscles is out of the 1970s, doctors have moved way past that and have for the last thirty years or thereabouts been focusing on blood manipulation, which is so much more efficient because it is your oxygen circulation via blood that is the source of your power, not the size of your muscles.

Having said that, a batsman would of course find bigger arms handy. As a batsman you can also take stuff to improve your reflexes by just a fraction, allow you to focus better on the ball, etc.

 

[Lords]

What kind of drugs?
Performance enhancing drugs or just narcotic drugs?

Asif was caught with baba ji ki pudia once. Should not be that big of deal.

BTW Pakistani players somehow manage to ruin their own career without external help. Amir, Asif, Butt, Hasan, Umar, Shez etc have no one to blame but themselves.

 

[in_cutter]

So is it official news?

 

[Pantani]

What I find very concerning about all this (should it turn out to be a PED sanction rather than a recreational sanction), is that Raza Hasan is, with all due respect, a bit of a nobody in international cricketing circles. Where is the money coming from? The support network? Access to the product and to the doctor required to carry out the treatment? If somebody as obscure as Raza Hasan is taking performance enhancing drugs; it is a telltale sign, a virtual guarantee that elite professional cricket is utterly rife with doping. Because why would an unknown player take drugs, if it weren't to try and get on an even playing field with the competition? If a big name had been caught out it's much more reassuring, it's more likely to be a case of one bad apple, but if young, unestablished cricketers are doping then it spells trouble.

 

[Frank Underwood]

Same in India. Just check out how many Indians favoured unproven spinners over Ashwin prior to the WC. Ashwin served them humble pies. The grass is always greener on the other side.

Yes and no.

Someone has to come and replace players and become the next good player for any and every country. Pakistan seems to go in circles and not do the Indian method of throwing the kids out there after the oldies are done and let the grow and change together. That's the best approach. A true rebuild.

 

[Justcrazy]

Is this confirmed or another masala newd.

 

[Anchorman]

I always felt he was a tad overrated so I'm not too fussed. I bet he'll come out with the same old "I didn't know I was taking drugs..my coach gave it to me..I'm so young blah blah" I hope Zafar Gohar gets a proper go in the team now.

 

[mmkextreme_1]

Any updates on this?

 

[Ikball]

 

[Ikball]

Daily Express Today

 

[Pete Rose]

Hope he is out for a year

 

[Orbis]

Daily Express Today

Can you translate in English please?

 

[Sakss]

"After Raza Hasan's positive dope test, PCB has formed a 2 member committee for investigation"

"In the report if he is not cleared it could result in a life ban or jail time"

"According to reports traces of cocaine have been found in Raza's blood"

"The PCB investigation committee includes Rtd. Col Naushad and Dr. Waqar"

 

[Orbis]

Oh man. It can't be cocaine though, he seems like such a good boy.

I think (and hope) he is cleared, he is a hafiz-e-quran along with Sarfraz Ahmed and Saad Nasim.

 

[Misia]

Oh man. It can't be cocaine though, he seems like such a good boy.

I think (and hope) he is cleared, he is a hafiz-e-quran along with Sarfraz Ahmed and Saad Nasim.

are you saying he should be forgivrn or let off because he is hafiz-e-quran

 

[Orbis]

are you saying he should be forgivrn or let off because he is hafiz-e-quran

I said I hope he is cleared, if you understand English that means I hope he isn't guilty. I don't expect him to be taking any form of drugs, especially cocaine.

 

[Sherlock]

If it's not sports enhancing drugs, why would he get a life ban?

What a pathetic choice to have. Ban him, yes, but don't do it for life

 

[mnt1]

Cocaine is a recreational drug imo he should be fined and no more than a one year ban

 

[Orbis]

If it's not sports enhancing drugs, why would he get a life ban?

What a pathetic choice to have. Ban him, yes, but don't do it for life

He has been taking medicines/pain-killers for his back which may contain ingredients that are found in cocaine. It happens often, I seen on TV (airport programme) that people have traces of cocaine in luggage that was linked to medicine they were carrying.

I hope that is the case for this. Besides cocaine isn't something is used in Pakistan I believe, at least not ever heroine, doesn't make any sense.

 

[Junaids]

Cocaine? Lucky him! I hope he enjoyed it.

It is a drug of abuse, with no possible performance enhancement in cricket.

I felt sorry for Caniggia, Maradona and Hingis when they were hounded over coke. Warnie's thiazide diuretic is much, much worse.

 

[MenInG]

Cocaine? Lucky him! I hope he enjoyed it.

It is a drug of abuse, with no possible performance enhancement in cricket.

I felt sorry for Caniggia, Maradona and Hingis when they were hounded over coke. Warnie's thiazide diuretic is much, much worse.

Check PM pls

 

[sunnysheikh420]

Cocaine is easily available in Pakistan. Dealers send Heroine to South American countries they get Cocaine in return.

 

[Frank Underwood]

Recreational drugs, then who cares. If it doesn't help him become a better player, then he can do what he wants in his own time. Now whether one would want them on the team, that is a separate argument.

We don't have nearly enough information at the moment to make any concise judgements (though at first even I did). So until we know enough, and take everything with a grain of salt until the PCB makes a press release (this is Pakistani media, every day we get masala news in every newspaper which for some reason is never criticized), we should hold all judgements.

We have had a plethora of instances where we have jumped the gun on news reports which were completely false and fabricated and I expect this to be no different until there is a true press release.

 

[Pete Rose]

Don't know if its recreational or performance enhancing.
Both require a lengthy ban in my view.
Of course, we can argue that "its his life" and "did not do great harm" because we like to play favorites with players whom we think are good enough to be considered above the law.
I wonder how the forum would react if it had been Sohail Tanvir for instance vs. this nobody who will apparently be the next big thing.

 

[MRSN]

Cocaine is a recreational drug imo he should be fined and no more than a one year ban

clowns in the PCB thinks cocaine can help you become Shane Warne.

 

[MRSN]

Don't know if its recreational or performance enhancing.
Both require a lengthy ban in my view.
Of course, we can argue that "its his life" and "did not do great harm" because we like to play favorites with players whom we think are good enough to be considered above the law.
I wonder how the forum would react if it had been Sohail Tanvir for instance vs. this nobody who will apparently be the next big thing.

are you saying a player isn't allowed to have a private life?implying the drug doesn't help in performance enhancing. I think sometimes people get into drugs to just be themselves or may be they are going through some depression and they want to overcome it. It helps them. Don't know how much truth is in these stories but I'd say it is private matter if someone wants to do let him do it unless it affects other people which I think it doesn't.

 

[Pete Rose]

clowns in the PCB thinks cocaine can help you become Shane Warne.

Hey PCB select me, I am the next big player. When I have free time I snort cocaine, which just shows you that I have excellent judgment as a future player for Pakistan"

disclaimer: assuming it is cocaine as per press reports.

 

[Pete Rose]

are you saying a player isn't allowed to have a private life?implying the drug doesn't help in performance enhancing. I think sometimes people get into drugs to just be themselves or may be they are going through some depression and they want to overcome it. It helps them. Don't know how much truth is in these stories but I'd say it is private matter if someone wants to do let him do it unless it affects other people which I think it doesn't.

This is just so wrong, I dont even know where to start unpacking it.

 

[Orbis]

Even if it isn't true this is very damaging to the reputation of someone who I rate as the best spinner in Pakistan

Will be a sad loss if true, didn't expect this from him. Guess that is why Pakistan is going for Zafar Gohar. But the blame does lie with PCB for letting it get here in how they treated Raza. Was playing in 2012 and was meant to replace Ajmal, performed well but was displaced by baba Zulfiqar and Yasir Shah for no reason.

 

[Frank Underwood]

Don't know if its recreational or performance enhancing.
Both require a lengthy ban in my view.
Of course, we can argue that "its his life" and "did not do great harm" because we like to play favorites with players whom we think are good enough to be considered above the law.
I wonder how the forum would react if it had been Sohail Tanvir for instance vs. this nobody who will apparently be the next big thing.

Recreational in a legal sense, he shouldn't be jailed, but yeah, keep him off the team. I don't care who it is, that type of player is a detriment to the team, but to be jailed for it is ridiculous.

You make up narratives to be pompous but you are really bad at it.

 

[Pete Rose]

Even if it isn't true this is very damaging to the reputation of someone who I rate as the best spinner in Pakistan

Will be a sad loss if true, didn't expect this from him. Guess that is why Pakistan is going for Zafar Gohar. But the blame does lie with PCB for letting it get here in how they treated Raza. Was playing in 2012 and was meant to replace Ajmal, performed well but was displaced by baba Zulfiqar and Yasir Shah for no reason.

Oh please, he plays a couple of mickey mouse t20's and he is somehow the next coming of warne. He was injured all the time. And your fault lies in rating him as the best spinner in Pakistan: thats more hope than fact.

 

[MRSN]

Even if it isn't true this is very damaging to the reputation of someone who I rate as the best spinner in Pakistan

Will be a sad loss if true, didn't expect this from him. Guess that is why Pakistan is going for Zafar Gohar. But the blame does lie with PCB for letting it get here in how they treated Raza. Was playing in 2012 and was meant to replace Ajmal, performed well but was displaced by baba Zulfiqar and Yasir Shah for no reason.

to be honest he isn't the best spinner in Pakistan. He was good until that injury. He became much quicker and lost his variations. pretty much darter like Hafeez. Right now we have two-three very promising prospects in spin department and they are way better than Raza. Zafar and Shahzaib and Karamat(he can bat too) are some strong options and I think they needs to be tried ahead of Raza. We should hope Hafeez will clear his action so we will have one darter with variations then our spin pool attack will be very strong.

 

[Orbis]

Oh please, he plays a couple of mickey mouse t20's and he is somehow the next coming of warne. He was injured all the time. And your fault lies in rating him as the best spinner in Pakistan: thats more hope than fact.

Look at his domestic limited over stats before spewing rubbish. Can't argue with someone who thinks Shafiq at the age of 30 has the potential of Bradman and Tendulkar combined.

 

[Pete Rose]

Almost every post in this thread is moronic...........

Yes he has failed his dope test, but lets wait and see the whole story before we start judging him....

Maybe what if he took a prescribed medication and din't know what the medication consist of...

Ignorance has never been and never will be a defense against breaking the law.

 

[Major]

Ignorance has never been and never will be a defense against breaking the law.

i'm saying lets wait for the whole story to come out.

 

[Frank Underwood]

Ignorance has never been and never will be a defense against breaking the law.

No but undue influence, diminished responsibility, and misdirection are.

 

[Pete Rose]

No but undue influence, diminished responsibility, and misdirection are.

Sure, good luck to him with that.

 

[Frank Underwood]

Sure, good luck to him with that.

I am not saying he is innocent, far from it, I am with you in that if he took cocaine, took it recreationally, keep him away from the team.

However, when you are making statements that are simply false, I will tell you it is wrong, especially considering you are going around trying to educate others.

Now on that end I agree with [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION], this could be Afridi, Misbah, Shafiq, Umar, I do not care, but as of now, there has been no PCB press release, and a nation which has historically in print media had more than half of the publications be simply fake storylines or misleading ideas.

The example you discussed about ignorance, obviously, doesn't work, but I think, if you read between the lines, most people are saying, if Hasan was prescribed medicine, one of which is on the banned list, from a medical professional and takes it, he is not liable, and the onus shifts to the medical professional.

This is how the world works.

 

[Thivagar]

If the drug he took isn't performance enhancing, he should be max banned for 6 months. He shouldn't get a life ban for using cocaine.

 

[m.shah]

Ignorance at its best

 

[Saj]

Oh dear Raza.

Why do our cricketers make such stupid decisions.

 

[Pete Rose]

If the drug he took isn't performance enhancing, he should be max banned for 6 months. He shouldn't get a life ban for using cocaine.

Sure, but pcb would be well served to ensure that he doesn't play domestic or international cricket for a long time.

 

[azamcricketer]

By the way after returning from injury he is a very poor bowler.

 

[rocker 88]

Cocaine is no ordinary drug. It's a recrational drug with adverse side effects, can potentially damage the heart and the brain. One gets addicted to it fast. It's banned around the world for example in USA and one gets jail time if caught to be processing it!

 

[UpInTheAir]

Cocaine is no ordinary drug. It's a recrational drug with adverse side effects, can potentially damage the heart and the brain. One gets addicted to it fast. It's banned around the world for example in USA and one gets jail time if caught to be processing it!

Privatized jails have something to do with it too. But regardless, not the smartest thing to be taking part in.

 

[Sohaib]

Oh dear Raza.

Why do our cricketers make such stupid decisions.

Perhaps the his surroundings and company he has around him, made sure to rip him off money knowing Raza would want to get back into the team as soon as possible and told Raza if he uses certain drug it will heal him up quickly. After all our players may not be that educated about such stuff. I know PCB may have educated the players about such stuff but then we can't say for sure if our players do get the message through in their head.

None the less, feel sorry for Raza for ruining his life.

 

[shah_1]

Should be banned for six months for snoring cocaine if he is. It's an illegal drug and these players are professional cricketers representing Pakistan so such acts can't be ignored.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

i reckon his career is done for the time being

His back injury took a lot of zip out of his bowling and Zafar has been coming along nicely plus he cant bat and field as well

 

[Yossarian]

..., if Hasan was prescribed medicine, one of which is on the banned list, from a medical professional and takes it, he is not liable, and the onus shifts to the medical professional.

This is how the world works.

Counterfeit medications have become a major issue in the developing world, and have even been found in the UK's NHS hospitals and respected pharmacies.

Counterfeit medications can range from those simply hiding certain ingredients in the labelling in order to by-pass local restrictions, to those containing nothing more than household flour and colouring, to those containing dangerous ingredients such as arsenic.

In some countries, including the likes of India and Pakistan, many counterfeit medications contain ingredients normally used in veterinary drugs.

Counterfeiting occurs throughout the world, but it is most common in countries where there are few or no rules about making drugs. An estimated 10%–30% of medicines sold in developing countries are counterfeit

http://www.cdc.gov/features/CounterfeitDrugs/

The point being that even if it was a medication prescribed by a physician, and the physician checked to make sure that it complied with the ICC's regulations, there's no guarantee that in a country like Pakistan, the actual medication obtained from the pharmacy may not turn out to be a counterfeit containing ingredients which should not be there.

 

[Haroon786]

My views are pretty firm. In modern international cricket a spinner must average 30+ with the bat.

Zafar Gohar could, Raza Hasan couldn't. So develop Gohar.

Nope. Won't happen unless the spinner is an all rounder.

 

[Haroon786]

Should be 1 or 2 year ban at most and a 3 month ban at the least.

 

[Orbis]

^^ ridiculous, maybe in tests but in ODI no team can achieve that. Why do we need to rely on bowlers to score runs, we have upcoming young batsmen with a solid middle order that can do the job.

Besides, Raza Hasan scored a century in televised FC game and scored an unbeaten 50 against England when they were #1 (which is no mean feat when he comes in at like #9 and #10).

Zafar Gohar has shown glimpses with the bat, but he should focus on bowling and bowling alone. I hate it when we have promising specialists and we try to develop them into bits and pieces cricketers because when they have expectations with the bat and fail, it affects their bowling and leads to greater criticism.

 

[mr-k]

I meet him few times in Dubai when they played against SA. I was staying in same hotel as Pakistani team. What i saw and haired from him i am not surprised at all reading this news. I cant go in details but most of players are 3rd class ppl and their behavior made me feel ashamed and really angry.

Misbah Sarfraz Irfan YK these players are decent ppl. Not all but most of others did different things as running after ppl for gifts , collecting match tickets to give to there businesses partners as Afridi and his brother. Raza Hassan had girls in his rome did not went to training and was only interested in parties

"After Raza Hasan's positive dope test, PCB has formed a 2 member committee for investigation"

"In the report if he is not cleared it could result in a life ban or jail time"

"According to reports traces of cocaine have been found in Raza's blood"

"The PCB investigation committee includes Rtd. Col Naushad and Dr. Waqar"

 

[Boycottisno2]

grow up Orbis..... rest of the world is developing all rounders who are very good at batting and bowling.........

but in Pakistan they are trying to discourage people from becoming allrounders..... and people like Orbis are discouraging players to become good allrounders..... grow up what is happening in cricketing world who are developing excellent allrounders.... Orbis what you say is disappointing

 

[Orbis]

grow up Orbis..... rest of the world is developing all rounders who are very good at batting and bowling.........

but in Pakistan they are trying to discourage people from becoming allrounders..... and people like Orbis are discouraging players to become good allrounders..... grow up what is happening in cricketing world who are developing excellent allrounders.... Orbis what you say is disappointing

Who exactly is an all rounder in the world? Because the best may be Faulkner who I don't particularly rate, at least not for his bowling.

 

[Boycottisno2]

we dont need total rabbits with bats......

 

[the Great Khan]

if this is true and thats a big if since we have no idea until the PCB fully investigates, but if its is the case he should be banned for life. I'm sorry but we must have a zero tolerance attitude to drug taking considering the scourge of heroine and other idiotic things going on. If you are young and stupid enough to make this mistake then by all means provide him with help to overcome any addiction problems but tell him he will never play for Pakistan again. Perhaps they can give him a life ban from international cricket and let him earn some money playing doemstic cricket so he doesnt starve to death. But he should face a life ban from international cricket. No compromise. Who's to say if we let him off other characters may use his addiction to fix matches etc??

No thanks. Kick out these third class individuals and street boys! Enough.!

 

[Major]

if this is true and thats a big if since we have no idea until the PCB fully investigates, but if its is the case he should be banned for life. I'm sorry but we must have a zero tolerance attitude to drug taking considering the scourge of heroine and other idiotic things going on. If you are young and stupid enough to make this mistake then by all means provide him with help to overcome any addiction problems but tell him he will never play for Pakistan again. Perhaps they can give him a life ban from international cricket and let him earn some money playing doemstic cricket so he doesnt starve to death. But he should face a life ban from international cricket. No compromise. Who's to say if we let him off other characters may use his addiction to fix matches etc??

No thanks. Kick out these third class individuals and street boys! Enough.!

so wait, Amir could do match fixing and come back after 3 years, and raza hassan should get life ban? no way

 

[the Great Khan]

so wait, Amir could do match fixing and come back after 3 years, and raza hassan should get life ban? no way

spot fixing is a crime and aamir went to jail for it. What raza hassan is doing is just as bad and perhaps worse since he is endangering his life and needs help. Hence why a lifetime ban from the game would send a meSsage. i would say anyone getting caught for fixing should also face a life ban from now onwards. I have supported amir and his rehabilitation has been good for the game but he was given the benefit of doubt to give a message to youngsters. Now that the message has been given anyone caught should have no excuses!

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

A one year ban seems adequeate the I wonder if some will draw comparisons to Abdur Rehman's drug problems in the UK

 

[hussain.r97]

Life ban or jail time seems to harsh. Abdur Rehman only got banned for 14 weeks or something for taking cocaine. While I don't agree with taking cocaine, it's not a big enough offence to get him banned for life or sent to jail.

I'm not actually sure if he actually took cocaine or not though. He did have a back injury after all, and maybe some of his medication tested positive. They should really investigate further. But knowing PCB they won't, just like what happened to that guy who took prednisone, but got banned for taking performance enhancing drugs

 

[Orbis]

Life ban or jail time seems to harsh. Abdur Rehman only got banned for 14 weeks or something for taking cocaine. While I don't agree with taking cocaine, it's not a big enough offence to get him banned for life or sent to jail.

I'm not actually sure if he actually took cocaine or not though. He did have a back injury after all, and maybe some of his medication tested positive. They should really investigate further. But knowing PCB they won't, just like what happened to that guy who took prednisone, but got banned for taking performance enhancing drugs

Abdur Rehman took cannabis, which in England no one really looks down upon. If you get caught with cocaine however, that is a different story and you get the book thrown at you.

 

[UpInTheAir]

A one year ban seems adequeate the I wonder if some will draw comparisons to Abdur Rehman's drug problems in the UK

Marijuana is not a drug problem...

 

[Ikball]

 

[Ikball]

Today Jang news paper, Sports Page

Off spinner Raza Hassan become first Pakistani sportsman on whom accusation of using cocaine proved correct.

Raza could be banned for 2 years and can be jailed.

Some women are trying to save him.

PCB has prepared a chargesheet against him, and if his laywer cant defend it, Raza waill be banned at minimum 2 years and he could be jailed.

PCB officiers and selectors are claiming that some women are pressuring to save him.

If Raza's lawyer is unable to prove the reports wrong then the bowler would face a ban or jail term

In the past Shoaib Akhtar and Mohammad Asif have been tested for Nandrolone but this is the first time someone is tested positive for cocaine

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

Marijuana is not a drug problem...

while i agree that its nowhere near as bad as coke the issue remains what would have happened if AR did that in Pakistan rather then england. Part of me reckons him getting dropped from all formats is a combinaition of that issue and suspisions around that no ball over vs Bangladesh


Either way though im supportive of a years ban for Raza

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

Today Jang news paper, Sports Page

Off spinner Raza hassan become first Pakistani sportsman on whom accusation of using cocaine proved correct.
Raza could be banned for 2 years and can be jailed.
Some women are trying to save him.
PCB has prepared a chargesheet against him, and if his laywer cant defend it, Raza waill be banned at minimum 2 years and he could be jailed.
PCB officiers and selectors are claiming that some women are pressuring to save him.

Unless he was dealing it, jail is excessive

 

[Pete Rose]

'some women?'

 

[UpInTheAir]

Unless he was dealing it, jail is excessive

Definitely agree..

 

[UpInTheAir]

while i agree that its nowhere near as bad as coke the issue remains what would have happened if AR did that in Pakistan rather then england. Part of me reckons him getting dropped from all formats is a combinaition of that issue and suspisions around that no ball over vs Bangladesh


Either way though im supportive of a years ban for Raza

Lol i had forgotten about those no balls. Interesting times, thankfully for him Afridis innings sonewhat overshadowed that incident.

 

[Ikball]

Unless he was dealing it, jail is excessive

Smoking cocaine is crime in Pakistan.

 

[CaptainPak]

Traces of substance? Was he taking medication that contained derivative of the drug? Some powerful pain relievers have such substances. He needs to be investigated thoroughly I guess.

 

[sshakir411]

Smoking cocaine is crime in Pakistan.

no one smokes it...you smoke crack. I think 2 years is seriously harsh.
Drop & sideline him for 6 months, should be good. Cocaine is a social drug and unless Raza Hassan has serious $$ to buy blow often..he's not getting addicted anytime soon.

 

[m.shah]

Coacine wow

 

[Syed1]

Smoking cocaine is crime in Pakistan.

I think cocaine is sniffed up through the nose.. never seen somebody smoke it. Obviously my info is based off of what I've seen in the movies.

 

[Syed1]

But Raza Hasan was a Hafiz-e-Quran.. goes to show bad company can undo no matter how good your upbringing has been.

 

[sshakir411]

I think cocaine is sniffed up through the nose.. never seen somebody smoke it. Obviously my info is based off of what I've seen in the movies.

your info is right. only crack is smoked..which is a much cheaper derivative of coke

 

[LegbreakGoogly]

Not bad for youngster