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Colin Munro vs Hasan Ali? Who will win?

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Would be fascinating to see this contest if it happens but the power of Munro vs raw adrenalin and skills of Hasan?!

Who do you think will win?
 
It’s not gonna happen because Amir would have removed him by the time Hasan comes to bowl :ashwin
 
It will be a good battle, I think we will see ups and downs by both throughout the series.

Munro hitting Hasan, and then Hasan coming back and taking his wicket. Will be a fascinating contest.
 
Wonder if Munro v Shadab is a better match up?
 
Hasan might be slightly expensive in this series, will definitely be amongst the wickets though.
 
This is a tough one but again, against a player like Munro, the bowler always has the upper hand. Munro would either hammer the attack or will get out trying. So the bowler always has a chance against him.
 
He would be back in the hut by the time Hasan comes onto bowl.
 
If he is on the crease before Hasan comes to bowl, battle is already won by him. Battle should be between Munro and Amir 🙄
 
Depends on the condition. If its flat then Munro is expected to have a day or two.
 
Think everyone is taking Munro way too lightly here, he's absolutely terrifying
 
Hacks have rarely performed against Pakistan. Seen plenty of them fail miserably against Pak.

You need skill as a batsman to dominate Pak bowlers. That is why only class batsmen usually succeed against Pak bowling.
 
troodon said:
Hacks have rarely performed against Pakistan. Seen plenty of them fail miserably against Pak.

You need skill as a batsman to dominate Pak bowlers. That is why only class batsmen usually succeed against Pak bowling.
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Agreed. Williamson and Latham are going to be important wickets as they are gonna be the ones building the innings when the others will collapse and are technically more solid than all others in NZ lineup. Obviously Taylor is a class act but only once he is settled.
 
If Fakhar and Azhar can consistantly provide good starts, Pak will have the upper hand throughout the series.
 
Pakistan's bowling is as complete as it can get for NZ conditions.
 
He is a beast on these small grounds.He is going to give hard time to bowlers.
 
It’s dificult for a batsman to win such duels - at the end, he’ll get out sometimes to the bowler. I can recall one story - Bob Willis once called Viv, Black Bas!ard (may be while sledging on field or while sending off). Next Test, Viv came to bat in Willis’ 1st over (1st over of the Test as well, probably in 1980’s tour) when Grineedge was 1 or 2 and Bob got Viv out in his 6th over - for 67, keeping Grineedge at 2 or 3 and Viv hitting an individual 50 of Willis in his 5/6 overs - but, he did get him out (though this time didn’t send him off)

I think, best strategy against such batsmen (Viv wasn’t among “such” though) is to get them out - give bowlers best chance for that. Don’t think attacking or defensive bowling/fielding does have any impact in their batting strategy, but attacking approach at least gives bowlers the best chance to knock him quickly, provided that fielders take their catches.

I haven’t picked Munro in my fantasy team, because of Sarfraz - had Misbah or Azhar been Captain, I would have picked him probably as Captain!!!!!
 
troodon said:
Hacks have rarely performed against Pakistan. Seen plenty of them fail miserably against Pak.

You need skill as a batsman to dominate Pak bowlers. That is why only class batsmen usually succeed against Pak bowling.
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And Pakistan has rarely succeeded in modern white ball cricket because of this mentality where all the best players are considered hacks and the match-losing fools are considered quality batsmen.
 
Munro is the best player in the team. If he survives till Hasan Ali's normal time for coming on, Pakistan will already be in deep trouble.

Willaimson and Latham are limited players who are weaker in white-ball cricket.
 
CricketAnalyst said:
Munro is the best player in the team. If he survives till Hasan Ali's normal time for coming on, Pakistan will already be in deep trouble.

Willaimson and Latham are limited players who are weaker in white-ball cricket.
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Exactly! We need Amir or Rumman to get him out in the first few overs.
 
Munro could easily be hit or miss this series so it will be interesting nonetheless. But can you back against the most in form bowler of 2017.
 
Thing is NZ grounds are not massive so even some wild mis hits can you get big rewards.

Colin's at home as well so he's got some things going for him. Once he gets going it's hard to bowl to him.
 
babajee said:
If it ain’t broke. Don’t fix it.

At the moment Hasan in the middle overs is perfect.
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I think it's a good move to put Hasan with the new ball. He has nothing left to prove bowling in the middle overs. Bowling in powerplay will be a new challenge which is always good. But I think they will go with Rumman though.
 
There is a high possibility that Munro will struggle against Rumman and hasan because Simon doull says that Munro is a one paced hitter and can be surprised by varying pace
 
CricketAnalyst said:
And Pakistan has rarely succeeded in modern white ball cricket because of this mentality where all the best players are considered hacks and the match-losing fools are considered quality batsmen.
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What's the proof that this mentality you speak of has ever existed? There might have been one or two odd cases but I can't agree that it's been true in general.
 
Ellipsism said:
You genuinely believe that Rumman is a better exponent of the new ball than Hasan?
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I believe Hassan is a better 1st change bowler the Rumman is. So for the better combination of the team Hassan needs to come 1st change. I dont think Rumman can be as effective coming 1st change.

Otherwise Hassan is one of the best white ball bowlers around anytime of the game and in any condition of the ball. Need to work bit on death bowling though to become perfect.
 
CricketAnalyst said:
Munro is the best player in the team. If he survives till Hasan Ali's normal time for coming on, Pakistan will already be in deep trouble.

Willaimson and Latham are limited players who are weaker in white-ball cricket.
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Munro is the best player in the team, really? If you would have said he has the ability to take the game away in few overs, I would have agreed but best player. Nah..

Its like saying Maxwell is a better ODI batsman then Smith.

Williamson is a giant in one dayers, look at his average and SR, while Latham has really improved. You need good balls to get these two out.

Yes Munro is a dangerous player but not sure about being best player in NZ lineup. Its the start of ODI series not the T20s. He might be their best T20 player.
 
Sean143 said:
There is a high possibility that Munro will struggle against Rumman and hasan because Simon doull says that Munro is a one paced hitter and can be surprised by varying pace
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Yes he right to say that and more than that he isnt tested by swing with the new ball as well as none of the WI bowler got consistent shape on the ball as all of their bowlers were one dimensional. The only movement WI bowlers extract is mainly from seam and that is either at the pace of holder or inconsistent line and length of Gabriel and thats about it.

Cottrell was some one who got the swing but being very new to international level he wasnt that confident and lacked consisnatncy but still was in the wickets. None of their bowlers actually targeted Munro with new ball swing as they didnt have enough skill set to do so.

Amir and Rumman both get consistant swing even with white ball even in the UAE wickets as we saw against Srl. So its gonna be a real test for Munro.
 
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babajee said:
I just think that having a bowler as good as Hasan in the middle overs means there’s no let up in the attack.
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If he strikes early along with Amir you put the opposition on the back foot straight away. The incoming batsman are then looking to survive (negative mindset) and thus are likely to give away wickets to much more inferior bowlers in the form of Rumman.
 
Ellipsism said:
If he strikes early along with Amir you put the opposition on the back foot straight away. The incoming batsman are then looking to survive (negative mindset) and thus are likely to give away wickets to much more inferior bowlers in the form of Rumman.
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If he doesn’t then we’re screwed.

Having him in the middle overs gives us a psychological advantage over the batting team.
 
babajee said:
If he doesn’t then we’re screwed.

Having him in the middle overs gives us a psychological advantage over the batting team.
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He can bowl 4 up front, 3 in the middle and 3 towards the back end of the innings.

And that’s why you pick well rounded fast bowlers, and not one trick ponies like Rumman.
 
ahsan17 said:
What's the proof that this mentality you speak of has ever existed? There might have been one or two odd cases but I can't agree that it's been true in general.
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Mukhtar Ahmed?

The time it took for Sharjeel to get established?

Asad Shafiq playing more than 50 ODIs for Pakistan?

Misbah and Younis?

What more evidence do you want?
 
CricketAnalyst said:
Mukhtar Ahmed?

The time it took for Sharjeel to get established?

Asad Shafiq playing more than 50 ODIs for Pakistan?

Misbah and Younis?

What more evidence do you want?
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You need to give examples of TTFs Pakistan persisted with for a long, long time. Yes there are a few I can think of off the top of my head. But to suggest it was common is not true.

1) Mukhtar Ahmed - played 6 international games. Happens with every team where a player plays a few games never to be seen again.
2) The time it took Amla, ABDV, Steve Smith, etc to get established? That's not really a good example to be honest.
3) Many teams will try players that are good in one format in other formats and then discard them later. Alaistar cook is one example.
4) I can agree on Younis Khan and Misbah in ODIs. To be fair on Younis Khan, he played a lot of his ODIs when Pakistan was doing well in ODIs. But yes shouldn't have persisted with him for so long.

Again, yes we have had a few cases over the years, maybe even slightly more so than other teams, but it wasn't as bad as you suggested.
 
As already said, Munro isn't gonna be at the crease for when Hassan shows up to bowl anyway =P
 
Colin is there to do damage up front, he's done his job as he scores quickly up front.

He'll win some battles and he'll lose others, that's just what happens when you play with that intent.
 
They had a great CT and Shadab is a young leggie so all the time for him, but the others are all condition dependent.
 
So far Munro hitting the Pakistan bowlers all over the park.
 
And there we are Hasan Ali 1 Colin Munro 0
 
Munro done, but he's done his job here. Don't get me wrong, I'm supporting Pakistan here, but sub-continent teams need to change our toxic conservative view towards aggressive batting.
 
Munro did his job, he scored us quick even with Guptill struggling. He's given our middle order some breathing space.

1-0 Munro.
 
The fact that Pakistan will now reel it in with typical style will tell you a lot about how good Munro is.
 
bujhee kom said:
Munro won. His team are off to a flying start.
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People think we expect 100s from him lol. Usually a 100 from him would seal the game.

A quick 50 is all we want to give our middle order some freedom.
 
Aman said:
Munro did his job, he scored us quick even with Guptill struggling. He's given our middle order some breathing space.

1-0 Munro.
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Precisely. Pakistan got gaped. Ameer is on another level to Pk's other bowlers. He checked Munro somewhat, but the others got reamed.
 
bujhee kom said:
Munro won. His team are off to a flying start.
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Yo the thread is about Munro vs Hasan Ali and not Munro vs Team Pakistan.

Overall Munro did well and got the kiwis a flying start but in the one on one battle, Hasan has the upper hand.
 
Sirris said:
Yo the thread is about Munro vs Hasan Ali and not Munro vs Team Pakistan.

Overall Munro did well and got the kiwis a flying start but in the one on one battle, Hasan has the upper hand.
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Ok
Hassan ali defeated munro
Munro defeated pakistan.
 
babajee said:
If it ain’t broke. Don’t fix it.

At the moment Hasan in the middle overs is perfect.
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Hasan bowled middle overs and death overs; in this match the game was up by the time we got to the death overs. Would have been far better to have him bowl with with the new ball and have Rumman do his slower balls at the death.
 
Square Drive said:
And South Africa is currently demolishing/will demolish India.

^ just as relevant to this thread.
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That actually won't happen.

And his post is far more relevant to this thread.

Don't need to make everything into an India vs Pakistan issue.
 
Individual battles in cricket are largely meaningless. Munro have a very good start to NZ and set on their way to a big total. It doesn’t matter if Hasan got the better off him.

Nonetheless, it is funny when people gloat over our so-called world’s best attack - it is a mediocre attack made to look good by a brilliant pacer who is rightfully rated number one in ODIs.

We will be badly exposed the day Hasan gets injured or goes through a lean patch.
 
New Yorker said:
Hasan bowled middle overs and death overs; in this match the game was up by the time we got to the death overs. Would have been far better to have him bowl with with the new ball and have Rumman do his slower balls at the death.
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Rumman disappointed me. But yeah Amir and Hasan should open now - have to remove Guptill and Munro at all costs.
 
Hasan got better off him but he won the battle against the whole team.
 
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