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Pakistan are an extremely good T20 side - the bowling is probably in the conversation to be a GOAT attack in this format- High pace, high quality wrist spin and the batting is as good as it can be (That score was par taking into consideration the conditions and dinensions)

Let's put it this way. Pakistan on an average day can beat India on an average day.

It took an exceptional knock from an ageing Indian star and a marginal decision/luck to have the outcome go our way .

The upwards trend in professionalism, excellence and quality and most importantly the integrity and honesty of these new age Pakistani cricketers is impressive.

Go well in the rest of the tournament. Cheers. :)
 
Yes i feel good, atleast we give a fight now we dont chicken out like the team of yesteryears. Before we were so sure we are going to lose anyway.
 
Thank you. Alot of mistakes made by pakistani players and by the pakistani captain as well.

But Pakistan did well to get to 159 and made a match of it, but Kohli, the great man, was just too good today.
 
Kohli was the difference today. Babar doesn't perform against India in the big matches when it matters most. Ultimately someone had to lose and someone had to win. Would rather lose the first match then the fourth or fifth one that could eliminate us from the tournament. We go again on Thursday.
 
Yes. Definitely one of the best India/Pakistan encounter ever. Several come backs by both teams. First India in power play, then a recovery, then again India came back, then again Pakistan came back. Later Pakistan carried the momentum into the second innings, Then india staged a slow and steady come back. Then again Pakistan came back with the help of Rauf. Then against Kohli turned it around. Never seen this many twists and turns in a India/Pakistan match. Almost like 2007 match.
 
Their bowling is really good in LOI esp T20, it’s like almost the right cards are dealt to Babar the captain and yet he doesn’t utilize them well.
 
JaDed said:
Their bowling is really good in LOI esp T20, it’s like almost the right cards are dealt to Babar the captain and yet he doesn’t utilize them well.
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Yes our thick captain bowls a spinner for the last over inviting Indian batsmen to go for hoik's and big yahoo's. India most probably don't get the runs if a pacer bowls the last over. Babar's body language on the field is that of a loser too for those who understand this art will agree. An awful decision to bowl Nawaz when Rauf, Naseem and Shaheen were much better options.
 
Pakistan is the better T20 team and will win more often than not against this hapless Indian side in this format (no small thanks to our inept selection panel and good for nothing coaches). Australia is one place where I will give a slight edge to India, still it took a superhuman effort by the greatest modern day white ball batsman to help Ind edge it in final ball of the innings. Expect Pak to beat SA and qualify to SF, best bowling attack in this competition by a comfortable distance. If we were to meet again, Pak will start as favorites mainly because Kohli can't do this every time, law of averages.

Expect Ind-Pak matches to be very closely fought this decade, slight edge to Ind in ODIs and Pak in T20is. One thing is clear, this Pak side is on the ascendancy and the one major roadblock for Pakistan aka Virat Kohli won't play much longer. Gone are the Misbah, Hafeez years when Pak feared Ind, this generation of Pak players reminds me of PCT of Bob Woolmer era.
 
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And the way Kohli and Pandya build the partnership in the middle was great. We pakistanis critisize IPL alot, but both these batsmen have played many preassure matches in IPL so they had no issues with preassure at all, Kohli is a great batsmen with our without IPL, but I think that experiece is helpful.
 
kohli is another level mentally, dude has crazy levels of self belief and that made pak panic. rauf is normally a gun death bowler, but the last ball of his spell was a massive mistake on his part, which was a result of kohlis crazy shot the ball before. rauf is not the reason pak lost, but that ball swung the game indias way.

apart from that the rest of the teams are pretty evenly matched, Pakistan don't have any power hitters, which in this era of t20 is unforgivable and the primary reason they don't win more.
 
Well played Pakistan.

Have faith on your team: they broke the streak just a year ago, and are in general making it hard for us to win these WC games nowadays.
 
Nobody is talking about the blunders Shadab and Haider made. All they had to do was rotate the strike and an odd boundary here and there would have taken us to 180. These guys sometimes play with zero match awareness which results us bottling in crunch situations. This has happened so many times in the last year alone.

Still can’t believe how we made a mess of it. Bossed the second innings and lost. Unbelievable.
 
Ind deserved their win. Even at 40-4, I had a feeling that their experience of big matches would pay off. We played well but we were a pace bowler short and SSA isn't fit and shouldn't be playing and it showed at the end. Good win Ind, well played
 
IAJ said:
And the way Kohli and Pandya build the partnership in the middle was great. We pakistanis critisize IPL alot, but both these batsmen have played many preassure matches in IPL so they had no issues with preassure at all, Kohli is a great batsmen with our without IPL, but I think that experiece is helpful.
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And ultimately it won the game. Handling Pressure is a talent in itself and they showed their class. We aren't winning the WC, I would be surprised if we get to the SFs but are more than competitive and nobody will fancy playing us either
 
One of the reason Indian fans are always skeptical is because of lack of depth. Take 5 wickets. Game over for India. When you add serial choking of KL Rahul India relies on limited personnel. India can come up with a far better team than this. Injury to Jadeja was a major set back. He loves batting in Australia. So they had to create a fake all rounder out of Axar Patel.
 
Both teams did not deserve to win as they competed with each other to lose the game on multiple occasions.

It was a nail biter as both teams tried to choke the game away.
 
I think this wasn't all that painful. It was crazy, a man who became a genius on the day but cricket is the biggest beneficiary.


Pakistan has this altruistic streak. Asia Cup wasn't long ago.
 
This was a great contest because the pitch held true for both teams. But, both India and Pakistan will lose to England and Australia.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Pakistan are an extremely good T20 side - the bowling is probably in the conversation to be a GOAT attack in this format- High pace, high quality wrist spin and the batting is as good as it can be (That score was par taking into consideration the conditions and dinensions)

Let's put it this way. Pakistan on an average day can beat India on an average day.

It took an exceptional knock from an ageing Indian star and a marginal decision/luck to have the outcome go our way .

The upwards trend in professionalism, excellence and quality and most importantly the integrity and honesty of these new age Pakistani cricketers is impressive.

Go well in the rest of the tournament. Cheers. :)
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Thanks so much for this note! India has set higher and higher standards in the SC and the quality of batsmanship on display, specially Kohli’s genius makes me question if he’s even human lol outstanding game and congrats to India for an iconic win.
 
Bewal Express said:
Ind deserved their win. Even at 40-4, I had a feeling that their experience of big matches would pay off. We played well but we were a pace bowler short and SSA isn't fit and shouldn't be playing and it showed at the end. Good win Ind, well played
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Yup! Do you mean SSA is unfit or lacking match fitness? I guess I am curious if he can maybe get his rhythm back in next few games, but it seems you’re saying he shouldn’t be playing at all
 
I'm really looking forward to the WC 2023. Let's break the ODI WC streak :)

We have our great players in their absolute peak now so naturally there are going to be expectations now. Let's really hope we can get that monkey off our backs now too.
 
PakLFC said:
Yes our thick captain bowls a spinner for the last over inviting Indian batsmen to go for hoik's and big yahoo's. India most probably don't get the runs if a pacer bowls the last over. Babar's body language on the field is that of a loser too for those who understand this art will agree. An awful decision to bowl Nawaz when Rauf, Naseem and Shaheen were much better options.
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I think Babar looked at Nawaz conceding 3 6's and was like 'we can't let India run away with this' and then brought on Naseem if I remember correctly. Still, I agree a spinner should never be bowling the final over. Hindsight 20-20, but I felt Nawaz shoulda bowled the 19th and then Haris the 20th.
 
Extra_Cover said:
I'm really looking forward to the WC 2023. Let's break the ODI WC streak :)

We have our great players in their absolute peak now so naturally there are going to be expectations now. Let's really hope we can get that monkey off our backs now too.
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That's what I'm looking forward to. Breaking the 50-over WC streak. If I'm being a bit greedy, I hope that streak is broken in a one-sided knock-out game :ghalib
 
TeamPak95 said:
I think Babar looked at Nawaz conceding 3 6's and was like 'we can't let India run away with this' and then brought on Naseem if I remember correctly. Still, I agree a spinner should never be bowling the final over. Hindsight 20-20, but I felt Nawaz shoulda bowled the 19th and then Haris the 20th.
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Babar doesn't seem to shuffle his bowlers to well. He doesn't know who has bowled how many most of the time. I wonder if we should have picked Usman Qadir in the team instead of Nawaz.
 
PakLFC said:
Babar doesn't seem to shuffle his bowlers to well. He doesn't know who has bowled how many most of the time. I wonder if we should have picked Usman Qadir in the team instead of Nawaz.
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Considering the conditions from a bowling standpoint, Wasim Jr. would've been a better pick. If Qadir played, Kohli would've gotten a hundred and India would've won an over or two earlier.
 
Congrats India on the win. Kohli is just masterful at chasing, ain't he? Pakistan winning at the G against India here would've been sweet but alas to no avail. I'm hoping Pakistan aren't too down in the dumps (Nawaz in particular) and bounce back. It's only the first game and thankfully the NRR isn't nuked (*ahem 2019 WC vs Windies) so there's still a chance to roar back here.
 
TeamPak95 said:
Considering the conditions from a bowling standpoint, Wasim Jr. would've been a better pick. If Qadir played, Kohli would've gotten a hundred and India would've won an over or two earlier.
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Don't think Qadir is that bad:yasir One spinner should be sufficient then why do we always feel the need to play two?
 
Farabi said:
Yup! Do you mean SSA is unfit or lacking match fitness? I guess I am curious if he can maybe get his rhythm back in next few games, but it seems you’re saying he shouldn’t be playing at all
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Both, he isn't fit and lacks match fitness. He shouldn't be playing and it cost. Hasnain would have a been a handful today, SSA was way off the pace
 
the main factor today was the toss and Pakistan had to bat first in Australia on a fresh pitch which was covered for long periods. In the last few T20 WCs there is a pattern emerging where winning the Toss is a too big a advantage.
 
TeamPak95 said:
I think Babar looked at Nawaz conceding 3 6's and was like 'we can't let India run away with this' and then brought on Naseem if I remember correctly. Still, I agree a spinner should never be bowling the final over. Hindsight 20-20, but I felt Nawaz shoulda bowled the 19th and then Haris the 20th.
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It was forced on him by the Inds. Nawaz wilted and the Inds took advantage. It happens but it was really poor from someone at that level
 
jnaveen1980 said:
One of the reason Indian fans are always skeptical is because of lack of depth. Take 5 wickets. Game over for India. When you add serial choking of KL Rahul India relies on limited personnel. India can come up with a far better team than this. Injury to Jadeja was a major set back. He loves batting in Australia. So they had to create a fake all rounder out of Axar Patel.
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This isn't sour grapes as I don't really watch India play apart from when you face Pakistan or tour here in England, but I was surprised at how ragged you guys looked at times, and see why your fanbase seems fairly skeptical about your chances.

I expected India to beat us given your superior record in Australia, and especially after our awful PP where we looked lost against the movement and bounce on offer.

But you let us off the hook. The spinners weren't particularly threatening and you didn't have a genuinely quick bowler either. Pandya took 3 wickets more thanks to our stupidity. Without Bumrah there wasn't any fear factor about India's bowling. Ashwin looked very laboured in the field.

The openers were so tentative even though Shaheen isn't fully matchfit and struggled to nail his trademark swinging yorkers upfront. Yadav looked scary but then thankfully got out cheaply. Kohli was unbelievable with the best T20I innings I've ever seen, but you cannot expect worldies like that every match from 31-4.

It's probably because both teams are quite flawed that they produced such a compelling match.
 
Varun said:
Well played Pakistan.

Have faith on your team: they broke the streak just a year ago, and are in general making it hard for us to win these WC games nowadays.
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This I’ll agree with. The 2012-2016 period where we surrendered helplessly to India encounter after encounter are hopefully gone.

The matches in the rivalry have become competitive once again, keeping it alive.

Kohli is on another planet. Won the game for his team single-handedly
 
Thank you for the nice message. Yes we are proud of them. They played a great match and frankly it's a great way to get this tourney going.

Took a superhuman effort from kohli so it shows our boys played an amazing match..any other team and we would have easily got this..can't account for genius..we lost this when kohli hit Haris for that scoop thingy shot for six..he even admitted he just went for it hoping it would go for six..

Onwards and upwards.
 
Markhor said:
This isn't sour grapes as I don't really watch India play apart from when you face Pakistan or tour here in England, but I was surprised at how ragged you guys looked at times, and see why your fanbase seems fairly skeptical about your chances.

I expected India to beat us given your superior record in Australia, and especially after our awful PP where we looked lost against the movement and bounce on offer.

But you let us off the hook. The spinners weren't particularly threatening and you didn't have a genuinely quick bowler either. Pandya took 3 wickets more thanks to our stupidity. Without Bumrah there wasn't any fear factor about India's bowling. Ashwin looked very laboured in the field.

The openers were so tentative even though Shaheen isn't fully matchfit and struggled to nail his trademark swinging yorkers upfront. Yadav looked scary but then thankfully got out cheaply. Kohli was unbelievable with the best T20I innings I've ever seen, but you cannot expect worldies like that every match from 31-4.

It's probably because both teams are quite flawed that they produced such a compelling match.
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India has right players. Problem is accommodating a genuine wicket taking bowler means dropping of a bowler who can bat. Kuldeep purely as a bowler >>>> Axar. Thakur > Harshal, Chahar in swinging conditions more leathal than Bhuvi. he can bat like proper batsman. Because some compromising choices and absence of couple of players wrecked the balance of the side. Wait for a couple of years. After the seniors go India will have a better unit with better depth.
 
Pakistan played really good cricket, they took it deep till the last ball.
They produced many moments in this game to cheer about. This type of defeat does not hurt.
 
Markhor said:
This isn't sour grapes as I don't really watch India play apart from when you face Pakistan or tour here in England, but I was surprised at how ragged you guys looked at times, and see why your fanbase seems fairly skeptical about your chances.

I expected India to beat us given your superior record in Australia, and especially after our awful PP where we looked lost against the movement and bounce on offer.

But you let us off the hook. The spinners weren't particularly threatening and you didn't have a genuinely quick bowler either. Pandya took 3 wickets more thanks to our stupidity. Without Bumrah there wasn't any fear factor about India's bowling. Ashwin looked very laboured in the field.

The openers were so tentative even though Shaheen isn't fully matchfit and struggled to nail his trademark swinging yorkers upfront. Yadav looked scary but then thankfully got out cheaply. Kohli was unbelievable with the best T20I innings I've ever seen, but you cannot expect worldies like that every match from 31-4.

It's probably because both teams are quite flawed that they produced such a compelling match.
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A lot of posters don't understand that in T20 cricket because of the limitations of the finite resource of 120 balls in an innings , it is not so much the relative strengths that matter but its how you hide your weaknesses with a versatile lineup.

Posters see a lineup of Rohit, Virat, SKY, Rahul, Pandya, DK and think what a great white ball lineup .

Man for man they may be better players but that only matters in longer formats. That is a lineup that can be targeted by certain kinds of bowlers .

Right-left combinations are much more important to take down Nawaz, Naseem and Shaheen who are clearly weaker bowling to left handers .

India also don't have a high quality wrist spin option nor do they have a genuine high pace option.

Stop listening to the likes of Nasser Hussain who keep banging on about India being a high quality side that fails in ICC tournaments.

India have had deeply flawed sides in the last 3 tournaments vis a vis other teams and they were exposed.

Too many British Pakistanis put a lot of stock into what Sky Sports experts say.

Great presentation!= Great analysis. Level up and try to understand the game better.
 
PakLFC said:
Don't think Qadir is that bad:yasir One spinner should be sufficient then why do we always feel the need to play two?
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I mean Nawaz is obviously the better spinner. Regarding the feeling to needing to play two spinners, in the context of this game, you could criticize the Pak management for lacking proper reading of the pitch and not realizing that Wasim Jr. would've been a better pick (hindsight 20-20, but still).
 
the Great Khan said:
Thank you for the nice message. Yes we are proud of them. They played a great match and frankly it's a great way to get this tourney going.

Took a superhuman effort from kohli so it shows our boys played an amazing match..any other team and we would have easily got this..can't account for genius..we lost this when kohli hit Haris for that scoop thingy shot for six..he even admitted he just went for it hoping it would go for six..

Onwards and upwards.
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Disagree. There's a reason why Wade, Rajapaksa and Kohli have destroyed us. We choked. Bowled yorkers and took catches would have won all 3 matches.
 
Markhor said:
This isn't sour grapes as I don't really watch India play apart from when you face Pakistan or tour here in England, but I was surprised at how ragged you guys looked at times, and see why your fanbase seems fairly skeptical about your chances.

I expected India to beat us given your superior record in Australia, and especially after our awful PP where we looked lost against the movement and bounce on offer.

But you let us off the hook. The spinners weren't particularly threatening and you didn't have a genuinely quick bowler either. Pandya took 3 wickets more thanks to our stupidity. Without Bumrah there wasn't any fear factor about India's bowling. Ashwin looked very laboured in the field.

The openers were so tentative even though Shaheen isn't fully matchfit and struggled to nail his trademark swinging yorkers upfront. Yadav looked scary but then thankfully got out cheaply. Kohli was unbelievable with the best T20I innings I've ever seen, but you cannot expect worldies like that every match from 31-4.

It's probably because both teams are quite flawed that they produced such a compelling match.
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Exactly. We made them look far better than they are. Great summary.
 
Kohli was just too good for Pakistan. Congrats to all Indian fans.
 
I don't consider myself a fan of the Pakistani brand of cricket anymore because it's outdated and isn't moving forward with time. I do follow the domestic tournaments & see that there's no quick fix available as well, the players who get mentioned often are either unfit, overage, or PR has driven their stock high without any real substance. There's also no young ready-made quality batter hiding in the domestic scene that will magically transform the style of cricket that is being played.

Without delving into the need to do edgy comparisons, it's safe to say that the Pakistan team currently is about number 5 in terms of T20 teams in the world. The reason why they are low is that they do not possess a fast bowling option that can bat in the top order or a batter who can hit when it's needed without looking like a leg-side hack. Both of these issues were obvious to everyone & the team management had a chance to at least try to fix this in the 12 games before the world cup but it was totally ignored and they arrived in Australia overplayed & undercooked. This is my issue with the team, inability to identify problems & at least look to solve them instead of just going Babar, Rizwan, Shaheen, Shadab, Rauf, Nawaz, & InshAllah.

This is why I don't feel anything bad about the loss, the players tried their best but they just didn't have the resources available to them to get the job done. The matches like this, however, do cause serious scars & there will be many players who'll be scarred badly after the loss. The knee-jerk approach will also mean that Haider will probably get the axe & four fast bowlers will be played in Sydney (which may turn out to be a spinning track). Pakistan I feel, in their infinite wisdom, is always looking towards bolting stable doors after the horses have left. The words innovation, new age thinking, bold processes, etc. are all terms alien to this team.

In case you wonder what is my ranking of top teams they are as

1. England
2. India (very close, with Bumrah they can even be numero ono)
3. New Zealand
4. Australia (they are a team that's declining but they are way ahead of Pakistan in mental fortitude)

I'd rate South Africa higher but they choke a lot plus they have some team selection issues which ensure that not all the best players are selected & get to play each match. A full-strength no cap South Africa is straight up the 3rd best side in the world ahead of New Zealand
 
TeamPak95 said:
I mean Nawaz is obviously the better spinner. Regarding the feeling to needing to play two spinners, in the context of this game, you could criticize the Pak management for lacking proper reading of the pitch and not realizing that Wasim Jr. would've been a better pick (hindsight 20-20, but still).
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I don't think it was the pitch. Our management should know that Indian batsmen play spin very well where as our quickies bother them more. Withe Nawaz we batted until 8.... Wasim's inclusion would have given us a longer tail. Can't think of any other half baked all rounder we have to replace Nawaz.
 
We were saved by Kohli who has distracted us from the poor quality and consistency of our other batsmen.

Come Thursday, these over rated batsmen will wow the world with mastery of their strokeplay against the mighty Netherlands, however, ask them to play just one innings of note in a pressure cooker match and the combined contribution will be negligible.

Time to get rid of these TTFs and get new talent in!
 
Markhor said:
This isn't sour grapes as I don't really watch India play apart from when you face Pakistan or tour here in England, but I was surprised at how ragged you guys looked at times, and see why your fanbase seems fairly skeptical about your chances.

I expected India to beat us given your superior record in Australia, and especially after our awful PP where we looked lost against the movement and bounce on offer.

But you let us off the hook. The spinners weren't particularly threatening and you didn't have a genuinely quick bowler either. Pandya took 3 wickets more thanks to our stupidity. Without Bumrah there wasn't any fear factor about India's bowling. Ashwin looked very laboured in the field.

The openers were so tentative even though Shaheen isn't fully matchfit and struggled to nail his trademark swinging yorkers upfront. Yadav looked scary but then thankfully got out cheaply. Kohli was unbelievable with the best T20I innings I've ever seen, but you cannot expect worldies like that every match from 31-4.

It's probably because both teams are quite flawed that they produced such a compelling match.
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Pandya didn't take three wickets because of their stupidity. That's how they play. You don't expect Nawaz, Haider and Asif to build innings and play with strategy. They are all pinch hitters that come off once in a while trying to play glory shots on every ball. That's what Pandya capitalized on. He bowled smartly and took advantage of the bigger ground. I expect other teams to do the same against these batsmen.
 
India won but I don't think we are the favourites and the reason why I say it is exactly why Pakistan exposed that yesterday if you look beyond the outcome of the game. A semi final exit coming for us but atleast happy that we came first in the high pressure game yesterday and barring South Africa, we should beat other teams convincingly now in our group.
 
The defeat hurts because Pakistan was in a winning position for 90% of the innings till our premier bowlers bottled it in the last 3. Nawaz is also no inexperienced campaigner, this guy has been playing for 6 years i.e. 6 PSL seasons and around 5-6 years for Pakistan. He has routinely been getting smashed off late i.e. Phil Salt, Alex Hales, Harry Brooke, David Malan, Ben Ducket, Pandya, Kohli and he doesn't know what to do when the batsmen are going after him, he keeps bowling with the same flight and loop ball after ball whereas other spinners will bowl more slower, fire a faster one in, change the line of the delivery and bowl outside off e.t.c. He is another example of a player who doesn't have the intelligence or capacity to think on his feat, no coach can spoon feed you 24/7 in Cricket
 
In 1992 also India won !! Look at the bright side. Couple of stunning performance Pakistan can find themselves in next round
 
Babar the captain needs to improve a lot. It was Pakistan's match to loose when India was 4 down in their thirties. They again choked under pressure. I don't rate Babar the captain. Pakistan should think alternative.
 
Savak said:
The defeat hurts because Pakistan was in a winning position for 90% of the innings till our premier bowlers bottled it in the last 3. Nawaz is also no inexperienced campaigner, this guy has been playing for 6 years i.e. 6 PSL seasons and around 5-6 years for Pakistan. He has routinely been getting smashed off late i.e. Phil Salt, Alex Hales, Harry Brooke, David Malan, Ben Ducket, Pandya, Kohli and he doesn't know what to do when the batsmen are going after him, he keeps bowling with the same flight and loop ball after ball whereas other spinners will bowl more slower, fire a faster one in, change the line of the delivery and bowl outside off e.t.c. He is another example of a player who doesn't have the intelligence or capacity to think on his feat, no coach can spoon feed you 24/7 in Cricket
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Newaz is the weak link in this bowling unit for sure. But let's don't forget the weak captain in Babar
 
Pakistan deserved to win it. The umpires just messed the whole no ball decision. It was a review too.
 
Good game by Pak and my commiserations to PP pak fans. Wonderful game, played in wonderful spirits and was so good to see fans of both sides freely mingling with each other, i feel priviliged to have witnessed this live at the MCG. Coming back to pak, am not very well versed with pak line up but i feel Azam should play similar role as VK does for us and should come at 1 or 2 and not open. i feel a lh like Zaman and Rizwan wold be better served to open. Other than that your bowling is an absolute treat for a lover of pace bowling like me.
I do feel Pak have the goods to go far in tournament
 
Markhor said:
This isn't sour grapes as I don't really watch India play apart from when you face Pakistan or tour here in England, but I was surprised at how ragged you guys looked at times, and see why your fanbase seems fairly skeptical about your chances.

I expected India to beat us given your superior record in Australia, and especially after our awful PP where we looked lost against the movement and bounce on offer.

But you let us off the hook. The spinners weren't particularly threatening and you didn't have a genuinely quick bowler either. Pandya took 3 wickets more thanks to our stupidity. Without Bumrah there wasn't any fear factor about India's bowling. Ashwin looked very laboured in the field.

The openers were so tentative even though Shaheen isn't fully matchfit and struggled to nail his trademark swinging yorkers upfront. Yadav looked scary but then thankfully got out cheaply. Kohli was unbelievable with the best T20I innings I've ever seen, but you cannot expect worldies like that every match from 31-4.

It's probably because both teams are quite flawed that they produced such a compelling match.
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Am in full agreement m8. A lot of our media is going bananas and hyping this and blowing a lot of our shortcomings under the carpet.
Its not that we are a team of world beaters or anything. I felt our bowlers lacked intensity at times.
We would have to tighten up about 1.5 times, to get other teams, for Eg against SA on a perth flyer
 
A bit upset?

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Commiserations to Pakistan.

As for our win, we were to lucky that Kohli decided enough is enough and played some sensational strokes in last 3 overs.

We are so bad for some time now that Pakistan should be beating us with regularity. Our batting & fielding have gone to dogs. Our bowling offers no hope either.

Its a miracle that we still keep winning bilaterals at least.
 
48 from 18 balls .. that was the greatest choke in t20i history.

Thank you Pakistan for gifting us that game on a platter. Too kind.
 
Savak said:
The defeat hurts because Pakistan was in a winning position for 90% of the innings till our premier bowlers bottled it in the last 3. Nawaz is also no inexperienced campaigner, this guy has been playing for 6 years i.e. 6 PSL seasons and around 5-6 years for Pakistan. He has routinely been getting smashed off late i.e. Phil Salt, Alex Hales, Harry Brooke, David Malan, Ben Ducket, Pandya, Kohli and he doesn't know what to do when the batsmen are going after him, he keeps bowling with the same flight and loop ball after ball whereas other spinners will bowl more slower, fire a faster one in, change the line of the delivery and bowl outside off e.t.c. He is another example of a player who doesn't have the intelligence or capacity to think on his feat, no coach can spoon feed you 24/7 in Cricket
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There will be a weak link or 2 in all teams, and teams will target them. Last year it was Hasan Ali
 
In all honesty, I haven't been this hurt by an Ind-Pak match since 2011 semi final. The one sided matches didn't hurt this much as it would become easier to not care about it.

But seriously, umpires should not be considered some sacred entity in cricket. They should be held accountable for all their questionable decisions and be given fines and stuff that players are handed if they are found guilty and biased. This respect umpire's decision at all costs is nauseating. Cricket is player's game and umpires shouldn't dictate the result of the match and shouldn't get an iota of attention.

I have lost all respect for Erasmus and Tucker just like I did for Hair and Dharmasena some time ago.
 
Mainul said:
Babar the captain needs to improve a lot. It was Pakistan's match to loose when India was 4 down in their thirties. They again choked under pressure. I don't rate Babar the captain. Pakistan should think alternative.
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When Babar was appointed captain in 2019, he was the best batsman in the team and there were no alternatives to lead. Now there are options i.e. Shadab, Rizwan, Shaheen and these guys have proven it in the PSL with the respective teams they have led and Babar was a complete failure with the Karachi Kings as captain where they had their worst ever season under him and his body language throughout was so depressing, it didn't look like he had any answers. He should be man enough to put his hands up and acknowledge his limitations that captaincy is not for him. Pakistan will benefit immensely from his services as a player alone.
 
Pakistan was on top and it took Kohli’s best to scrap a win. If Pakistan do not have a let down and play the same way, they will be hard to beat.
 
Savak said:
When Babar was appointed captain in 2019, he was the best batsman in the team and there were no alternatives to lead. Now there are options i.e. Shadab, Rizwan, Shaheen and these guys have proven it in the PSL with the respective teams they have led and Babar was a complete failure with the Karachi Kings as captain where they had their worst ever season under him and his body language throughout was so depressing, it didn't look like he had any answers. He should be man enough to put his hands up and acknowledge his limitations that captaincy is not for him. Pakistan will benefit immensely from his services as a player alone.
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Completely agree. He is not captaincy material, they are forcing him into being a leader. Leadership does not come naturally to everyone.
Even in last over I saw Shadab talking the most to Nawaz setting fields etc.
They should make Shadab the captain after this world cup. Do it for both t20 and odi.
Even his speech to team comes across as very weak. Sometimes you need to be honest brutal and aggressive. I can't imagine Imran giving that type of speech. You need to be bold and strong as a leader. Babar comes across as too soft.

Aside from that he doesn't seem to do anything much that is innovative or tactical on field. He mostly seems to follow scripted plan and as soon as a bowler gets hit he replaces them. Sometimes even after a bad over you can back your bowler try 6th bowler etc. Also few times he left opposition off the hook after getting g early wickets settling into normal mode. He could be more proactive in trying to get even more wickets.

Anyway, let's see what happens.
 
Thanks for a positive message and appreciation, some of our own blind and deaf fans can learn from ya.

After first two wickets, i was expecting 102ish score tbh. But our middle order showed some excellent batting and some poor bowling from India spin attack as well.

From our side, every one is blaming Nawaz, and i wont say they are wrong. But tbh, unfit Shaheen delivered a horrible last over. Naseem did exceptionally well, And Rauf too. People are mentioning that Rauf bottled in last two deliveries, but actually not.

It was sheer master class from Kohli the SIX on 5th ball was exceptional and unbelievable. No one, no one could have played such shot which Kohli did.

We all saw, Pandya wasnt been able to play properly against Naseem or Rauf. But Kohli is on another level.

I am never upset or hurt over such defeats. Because it was a game, full of thrill and emotions and one team had to emerge Victorious.

And also, defeat in one game doesnt mean the end of World Cup. Lots more to go, so lets back them.

And yeah India won, but to be very honest this Indian team doesnt look good at all, Indian management should look into the team, this team definitely needs some improvements.

And regarding our team, well we have already discussed enough haha..
 
Until Pakistan don't win over Zimbabwe and the dust settles, every minute of this game will hurt any Pakistan fan.
It's one of those matches that definitely go into the folklore and remains memorable until the end.

Just like how Afridi and Miandad spanked last ball/over sixes to win. Unfortunately for Pakistan, we always have to look into history books for our successes while India is living in current reality.
 
Savak said:
When Babar was appointed captain in 2019, he was the best batsman in the team and there were no alternatives to lead. Now there are options i.e. Shadab, Rizwan, Shaheen and these guys have proven it in the PSL with the respective teams they have led and Babar was a complete failure with the Karachi Kings as captain where they had their worst ever season under him and his body language throughout was so depressing, it didn't look like he had any answers. He should be man enough to put his hands up and acknowledge his limitations that captaincy is not for him. Pakistan will benefit immensely from his services as a player alone.
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I completely agree with you.
 
Savak said:
When Babar was appointed captain in 2019, he was the best batsman in the team and there were no alternatives to lead. Now there are options i.e. Shadab, Rizwan, Shaheen and these guys have proven it in the PSL with the respective teams they have led and Babar was a complete failure with the Karachi Kings as captain where they had their worst ever season under him and his body language throughout was so depressing, it didn't look like he had any answers. He should be man enough to put his hands up and acknowledge his limitations that captaincy is not for him. Pakistan will benefit immensely from his services as a player alone.
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May be it is luck or lack of personnel. When Babar played in the first under-19 world cup he was not the captain. Pakistan finished runner up. Next edition Babar was the under-19 captain. Pakistan finished 8th. There was a match when India was down and out with 9 down chasing a meagre total of 136. But some bizarre bowling changes allowed India's last wicket pair to steal the win.
 
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