Comparing the Test records of sub-continental teams outside Asia

[szrana007]

So I thought that I should do a thread on the performance of Asian teams outside Asia and I got the following results (These results exclude Zimbabwe as an opposition).

Pakistan Matches played 157, Matches won 35, Matches lost 75, W/L ratio = 0.466

India Matches played 190, Matches won 25, Matches lost 90, W/L ratio = 0.277

Sri Lanka Matches played 67, Matches won 7, Matches lost 43, W/L ratio = 0.162

Bangladesh Matches played 23, Matches won 2, Matches lost 20, W/L ratio = 0.100

So, as can be seen Pakistan is by far the best Asian team, when it comes to performing outside. 2nd placed India has alot of ground to cover to match Pakistan.

 

[Slog]

I would look at it in 3 eras

1950-1975

1975-2000

2000-present

Is it possible for someone to calculate the records and win loss ratio according to this period

 

[szrana007]

I would look at it in 3 eras

1950-1975

1975-2000

2000-present

Is it possible for someone to calculate the records and win loss ratio according to this period

I will try.

 

[big_gamer007]

I don't know why people keep bringing up these threads, everyone who is older than 12 knows Pakistan has had historically the best test team from Asia.. They have had bowlers to challenge and win matches outside Asia it's common knowledge.. Obviously they would come out as the best team from Asia if you look at it historically..

Is this thread one of those threads which will be used to belittle other Asian countries (India)? Seems like that is the purpose of such threads, they hardly serve any other purpose..

 

[szrana007]

I would look at it in 3 eras

1950-1975

1975-2000

2000-present

Is it possible for someone to calculate the records and win loss ratio according to this period

So, here we go. ( Let's consider the 1st era to be dated from 1st Jan 1947 to 31 Dec 1975)

The results are (from 1st Jan 1947 to 31 Dec 1975)

Pakistan Matched played 33, Matches won 3, Matches lost 14, W/L ratio = 0.214

India Matched played 46, Matches won 5, Matches lost 29, W/L ratio = 0.172

( Now let's consider the 2nd era to be dated from 1st Jan 1976 to 31 Dec 2000)

Pakistan Matched played 72, Matches won 18, Matches lost 28, W/L ratio = 0.642

India Matched played 72, Matches won 7, Matches lost 30, W/L ratio = 0.233

Sri Lanka Matched played 24, Matches won 2, Matches lost 14, W/L ratio = 0.142

( Now let's consider the 3rd era to be dated from 1st Jan 2001 to 16th May 2017)

Pakistan Matched played 52, Matches won 14, Matches lost 33, W/L ratio = 0.424

India Matched played 65, Matches won 13, Matches lost 27, W/L ratio = 0.481

Sri Lanka Matched played 43, Matches won 5, Matches lost 29, W/L ratio = 0.172

Bangladesh Matches played 23, Matches won 2, Matches lost 20, W/L ratio = 0.100

All these results exclude Zimbabwe as an opposition. And I took the year 1947 as a starting point because Pakistan gained Independence from India in 1947.

 

[Big Mac]

I don't know why people keep bringing up these threads, everyone who is older than 12 knows Pakistan has had historically the best test team from Asia.. They have had bowlers to challenge and win matches outside Asia it's common knowledge.. Obviously they would come out as the best team from Asia if you look at it historically..

Is this thread one of those threads which will be used to belittle other Asian countries (India)? Seems like that is the purpose of such threads, they hardly serve any other purpose..

I read the best away tests related stat ever this morning, especially fitting in light of Pakistan being recently freed from the yoke of Misbah's cowardly, defensive captaincy.

Since Misbah took over the captaincy in late 2010, the Saffers have comfortably the best away W/L ratio and the lowest away run rate.

Pakistan have the second best W/L ratio, third lowest run rate.

#Aggression [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION]

 

[szrana007]

So as posted above, even if you look at the post 2000 stats, which coincide with India's strongest era and Pakistan's weaker eras, there is not much difference between the win loss ratios of the two countries. For Pakistan it is 0.424, for India it is 0.481. Yes India is marginally better, but you have got to consider the circumstances of the both teams as well.

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

So, here we go. ( Let's consider the 1st era to be dated from 1st Jan 1947 to 31 Dec 1975)

The results are (from 1st Jan 1947 to 31 Dec 1975)

Pakistan Matched played 33, Matches won 3, Matches lost 14, W/L ratio = 0.214

India Matched played 46, Matches won 5, Matches lost 29, W/L ratio = 0.172

( Now let's consider the 2nd era to be dated from 1st Jan 1976 to 31 Dec 2000)

Pakistan Matched played 72, Matches won 18, Matches lost 28, W/L ratio = 0.642

India Matched played 72, Matches won 7, Matches lost 30, W/L ratio = 0.233

Sri Lanka Matched played 24, Matches won 2, Matches lost 14, W/L ratio = 0.142

( Now let's consider the 3rd era to be dated from 1st Jan 2001 to 16th May 2017)

Pakistan Matched played 52, Matches won 14, Matches lost 33, W/L ratio = 0.424

India Matched played 65, Matches won 13, Matches lost 27, W/L ratio = 0.481

Sri Lanka Matched played 43, Matches won 5, Matches lost 29, W/L ratio = 0.172

Bangladesh Matches played 23, Matches won 2, Matches lost 20, W/L ratio = 0.100

All these results exclude Zimbabwe as an opposition. And I took the year 1947 as a starting point because Pakistan gained Independence from India in 1947.

So,era by era basis pak's performance decreasing?

 

[szrana007]

So,era by era basis pak's performance decreasing?

Pakistan's worst era was from 1947 to 1975. Best era was by far 1976-2000. 2001 to present era is worse than 1976-2000, but better than the 1947-1975 one.

 

[troodon]

Achievements of yester years teams is pointless. Its only to stroke egos.

What matters is what happened in the past decade or so. That is what matters.

If we keep looking at the past WI is still a bomb team. But the current WI team is a minnow.

 

[silent ischemia]

I don't know why people keep bringing up these threads, everyone who is older than 12 knows Pakistan has had historically the best test team from Asia.. They have had bowlers to challenge and win matches outside Asia it's common knowledge.. Obviously they would come out as the best team from Asia if you look at it historically..

Is this thread one of those threads which will be used to belittle other Asian countries (India)? Seems like that is the purpose of such threads, they hardly serve any other purpose..

Can't agree with you more. India has always had the better batsmen but it's the bowlers who win you games and that is the reason India have drawn more matches away. I have always doubted and still slightly doubt India's ability to take 20 wickets outside home. Under Kohli they look different though and by playing 5 bowlers outside home they have started winning away from home. (WI)

 

[szrana007]

Achievements of yester years teams is pointless. Its only to stroke egos.

What matters is what happened in the past decade or so. That is what matters.

If we keep looking at the past WI is still a bomb team. But the current WI team is a minnow.

Nah WI now has the overall 5th best win loss ratio among test playing nations. Once upon a time, they used to be 1st. Shows you how far they have declined. Pakistan still has the 3rd best win loss ratio among all teams as has been the case throughout their history.

 

[Slog]

So, here we go. ( Let's consider the 1st era to be dated from 1st Jan 1947 to 31 Dec 1975)

The results are (from 1st Jan 1947 to 31 Dec 1975)

Pakistan Matched played 33, Matches won 3, Matches lost 14, W/L ratio = 0.214

India Matched played 46, Matches won 5, Matches lost 29, W/L ratio = 0.172

( Now let's consider the 2nd era to be dated from 1st Jan 1976 to 31 Dec 2000)

Pakistan Matched played 72, Matches won 18, Matches lost 28, W/L ratio = 0.642

India Matched played 72, Matches won 7, Matches lost 30, W/L ratio = 0.233

Sri Lanka Matched played 24, Matches won 2, Matches lost 14, W/L ratio = 0.142

( Now let's consider the 3rd era to be dated from 1st Jan 2001 to 16th May 2017)

Pakistan Matched played 52, Matches won 14, Matches lost 33, W/L ratio = 0.424

India Matched played 65, Matches won 13, Matches lost 27, W/L ratio = 0.481

Sri Lanka Matched played 43, Matches won 5, Matches lost 29, W/L ratio = 0.172

Bangladesh Matches played 23, Matches won 2, Matches lost 20, W/L ratio = 0.100

All these results exclude Zimbabwe as an opposition. And I took the year 1947 as a starting point because Pakistan gained Independence from India in 1947.

Thanks for the effort

Surprised that India doesn't have a much better 2001-present

I was expecting them to run away with it in this period

 

[Sidilicious]

Thanks for the effort

Surprised that India doesn't have a much better 2001-present

I was expecting them to run away with it in this period

Fair point. Though I think that 8-0 in 2011 had a huge impact on that. Would be around 0.66 otherwise.

The thing is when we do well, we either draw the series, or win by a margin of 1 test. Thats what we did during the 07-11 period when we won in Eng, NZ, WI and drew in SA. Since then, we seem to have lost badly in Eng in 11 & 15 and in Australia in 11.

 

[Slog]

Fair point. Though I think that 8-0 in 2011 had a huge impact on that. Would be around 0.66 otherwise.

The thing is when we do well, we either draw the series, or win by a margin of 1 test. Thats what we did during the 07-11 period when we won in Eng, NZ, WI and drew in SA. Since then, we seem to have lost badly in Eng in 11 & 15 and in Australia in 11.

True. But conversely India also gets much more dominant home series wins with bigger score lines. For eg 4-0 against Aus in 2013 and 4-0 and 3-0 against England and New Zealand last year.

On the other hand Pakistan doesn't get as big score lines in home series because we aren't more ruthless normally and we get short series. Our home series at max are 3 tests but often 2 tests as well. Don't think in my lifetime we have played a home test series of more than 3 tests. So the opportunity is lesser as well. For eg Aus 2014 would likely have been a whitewash regardless of number of tests

 

[Sidilicious]

True. But conversely India also gets much more dominant home series wins with bigger score lines. For eg 4-0 against Aus in 2013 and 4-0 and 3-0 against England and New Zealand last year.

On the other hand Pakistan doesn't get as big score lines in home series because we aren't more ruthless normally and we get short series. Our home series at max are 3 tests but often 2 tests as well. Don't think in my lifetime we have played a home test series of more than 3 tests. So the opportunity is lesser as well. For eg Aus 2014 would likely have been a whitewash regardless of number of tests

Yeah. But I think the stats quoted by the OP are only for away games. I reckon, for overall stats, India would be a lot better. Probably 3rd behind SA and Australia.

 

[Sidilicious]

Yeah. But I think the stats quoted by the OP are only for away games. I reckon, for overall stats, India would be a lot better. Probably 3rd behind SA and Australia.

Yup, if you include all games, Indias W/L rockets

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...am=7;team=8;team=9;template=results;type=team

 

[Slog]

Yeah. But I think the stats quoted by the OP are only for away games. I reckon, for overall stats, India would be a lot better. Probably 3rd behind SA and Australia.

Oh yea. My bad

 

[Napa]

The normal cycle for Test matches is 4 years. In the last 4 years, India has played both at home and away with the teams ranked 2 to 4 (SA, Aus and Eng).

To understand the dominance of the current Indian Test team, look at the W/L ratios for the last 4 years. India's W/L ratio is 2.67, SA is 2.22, Aus 1.25 Eng is 0.95, and Pakistan is 0.89.

India's W/L ratio is 3 times Pakistan's (somewhere Ganguly is saying "I told you so.") and we actually had some posters (including some Indians) recently claiming that the Pakistani Test team was better than India's.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...am=7;team=8;team=9;template=results;type=team

 

[Slog]

The normal cycle for Test matches is 4 years. In the last 4 years, India has played both at home and away with the teams ranked 2 to 4 (SA, Aus and Eng).

To understand the dominance of the current Indian Test team, look at the W/L ratios for the last 4 years. India's W/L ratio is 2.67, SA is 2.22, Aus 1.25 Eng is 0.95, and Pakistan is 0.89.

India's W/L ratio is 3 times Pakistan's (somewhere Ganguly is saying "I told you so.") and we actually had some posters (including some Indians) recently claiming that the Pakistani Test team was better than India's.

Obv in last decade not many will dispute India has been overall better side.

 

[Napa]

The normal cycle for Test matches is 4 years. In the last 4 years, India has played both at home and away with the teams ranked 2 to 4 (SA, Aus and Eng).

To understand the dominance of the current Indian Test team, look at the W/L ratios for the last 4 years. India's W/L ratio is 2.67, SA is 2.22, Aus 1.25 Eng is 0.95, and Pakistan is 0.89.

India's W/L ratio is 3 times Pakistan's (somewhere Ganguly is saying "I told you so.") and we actually had some posters (including some Indians) recently claiming that the Pakistani Test team was better than India's.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...am=7;team=8;team=9;template=results;type=team

Actually the more correct time period is (avoiding double counting of teams touring India):

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...am=7;team=8;team=9;template=results;type=team

The W/L ratios are India 2.22, SA 1.66, Aus 1.50, NZ 1.21, Pak 1.06 and Eng 0.95.

Still quite impressive for India.

 

[big_gamer007]

Can't agree with you more. India has always had the better batsmen but it's the bowlers who win you games and that is the reason India have drawn more matches away. I have always doubted and still slightly doubt India's ability to take 20 wickets outside home. Under Kohli they look different though and by playing 5 bowlers outside home they have started winning away from home. (WI)

Yea our pace attack still lacks that killer instinct to take 20 wickets consistently out of Asia.. It's better than the pace attacks of our past but we lack a steyn type bowler the day we find that one bowler we can win series in SA/Aus/Eng

 

[big_gamer007]

The normal cycle for Test matches is 4 years. In the last 4 years, India has played both at home and away with the teams ranked 2 to 4 (SA, Aus and Eng).

To understand the dominance of the current Indian Test team, look at the W/L ratios for the last 4 years. India's W/L ratio is 2.67, SA is 2.22, Aus 1.25 Eng is 0.95, and Pakistan is 0.89.

India's W/L ratio is 3 times Pakistan's (somewhere Ganguly is saying "I told you so.") and we actually had some posters (including some Indians) recently claiming that the Pakistani Test team was better than India's.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...am=7;team=8;team=9;template=results;type=team

The thread is historically and historically speaking Pakistan test teams have been better than Indias in overseas condition coz of Imran khans, Akrams, waqars etc.. obviously in last 4-5 years Pakistani test team did not have those killer pacers like old days and we had some good performances from our pacers so we can stake a claim to be better than their team..