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Congratulations to James Anderson on becoming the first fast bowler to get 600 Test wickets

Would sound awkward but I think Anderson is underrated.
He does a lot more on docile pitches than any other pacer would at similar speeds. His skillset is vast and he knows how to use it.
He did extremely well in that India series in 2012 as well.
Was also England's best bowler against Pakistan in UAE in 2012 and 2015.
 
Would sound awkward but I think Anderson is underrated.
He does a lot more on docile pitches than any other pacer would at similar speeds. His skillset is vast and he knows how to use it.
He did extremely well in that India series in 2012 as well.
Was also England's best bowler against Pakistan in UAE in 2012 and 2015.

This perception is build on one bad Indian tour in 2016
 
Would sound awkward but I think Anderson is underrated.
He does a lot more on docile pitches than any other pacer would at similar speeds. His skillset is vast and he knows how to use it.
He did extremely well in that India series in 2012 as well.
Was also England's best bowler against Pakistan in UAE in 2012 and 2015.

His india record was actually pretty good till it got wrecked in 2016. In any case the more important thing is that he has contributed significantly in a winning series / test. He has done that once in atleast every country.

The appreciable thing is that he doesn’t hide. If he wanted he has enough credit in the bank and pedigree that he would easily be allowed to hide from tours like India, SL and UAE etc and take a rest. But he makes himself available for all at the expense of his record in these countries being destroyed. For eg in 2016 if he had sat out at the age of 34-35 no one would have have blinked an eye or begrudged the rest. But lo and behold not only did he play 4 years ago, he is gonna play again now.
 
Jimmy Anderson is an all time great. If you can consistently, brilliantly execute probably the most strenuous cricket skill at the highest level of competition, for two decades, you're a shoo-in as an ATG and one of the best ever.

I know it's near impossible, but inshAllah I would love love love to see him go past Murali on 800. It may require 4 more years, but if he keeps in shape, you never know...
 
Jimmy Anderson is an all time great. If you can consistently, brilliantly execute probably the most strenuous cricket skill at the highest level of competition, for two decades, you're a shoo-in as an ATG and one of the best ever.

I know it's near impossible, but inshAllah I would love love love to see him go past Murali on 800. It may require 4 more years, but if he keeps in shape, you never know...

I agree.
It's laughable to see some folks trying to take it away from him under the guise of "Oh but he performs mostly in England". Yeah right!

The guy has literally learned it from scratch, worked his rear end off, and reached to a point that no other pace bowler has been.

It's a delight to watch his smooth action and move the ball that many others can't do with such a good precision. His domination and impact, has been crucial in many English victories. And that too, in an era where the charm of pace bowling has gone down in the hole due to rules heavily favoring the batsmen. Unfortunately, fast bowling is a dying art now.

From one of his recent interviews, he is pretty much looking at 700 mark. Going to 800 will be something else.
 
<B>Jimmy's record since 01 Jan' 2010:</B>

455 test wickets at 24.05. That's ATG level alone and pretty balanced stats too.

Home average:- 21.43
Away average:- 28.23( including UAE)
Asia average:- 26.54

Australia - 31
South Africa - 31
New Zealand - 31
India - 36
Sri Lanka - 25
UAE- 20
Windies- 20
 
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<B>Jimmy's record since 01 Jan' 2010:</B>

455 test wickets at 24.05. That's ATG level alone and pretty balanced stats too.

Home average:- 21.43
Away average:- 28.23( including UAE)
Asia average:- 26.54

Australia - 31
South Africa - 31
New Zealand - 31
India - 36
Sri Lanka - 25
UAE- 20
Windies- 20

Excellent record. Only a bad record in india but tbh most medium pace bowlers would do horrible there. Still an average of 36 which is pretty decent.
 
One of Anderson's problems has been his record in Australia other than 2010-11. He'll need to have another good series there to change perceptions before he retires.
 
One of Anderson's problems has been his record in Australia other than 2010-11. He'll need to have another good series there to change perceptions before he retires.

Lol he had a good series last time too
 
<B>Jimmy's record since 01 Jan' 2010:</B>

455 test wickets at 24.05. That's ATG level alone and pretty balanced stats too.

Home average:- 21.43
Away average:- 28.23( including UAE)
Asia average:- 26.54

Australia - 31
South Africa - 31
New Zealand - 31
India - 36
Sri Lanka - 25
UAE- 20
Windies- 20

The funny thing is that this record alone (455 test wicket FGS) is enough in itself to make him an ATG.
 
<B>Jimmy's record since 01 Jan' 2010:</B>

455 test wickets at 24.05. That's ATG level alone and pretty balanced stats too.

Home average:- 21.43
Away average:- 28.23( including UAE)
Asia average:- 26.54

Australia - 31
South Africa - 31
New Zealand - 31
India - 36
Sri Lanka - 25
UAE- 20
Windies- 20

Maybe he is an ATG and we are letting our perception cloud our judgment.
 
He's probably one of the bowlers who I have followed for their whole career and has got better with age. At one point he was averaging over 30 and considered as a home track bully but overtime he has evolved to be an absolute master of the art of bowling.

He is a legend of the game.
 
I think it's about impact.

When conditions aren't good, Anderson may end up with decent stats and due to low economy... But he might not have striked like you would expect a strike bowler.

Take steyn for example.

Okay averages in England and Aus but his wickets per game and strike rate would be really good.

I think it's the perception of how one does in alien conditions that determine how well someone is rated by majority.
 
I remember Anderson averaging 14 in UAE while making zero impact to the flow of the game.

A couple of wickets upfront... Tight overs..off the attack... . A few in the end....

Pak would amass a huge total regardless and duly punish Eng.

Take Pat Cummins for example.

He was averaging 30 odd in ashes till 3 or 4 games... But boy was he running and steaming in hard and making things happen.
 
Not against putting him as an ATG status but just playing devils advocate.

Maybe I am selling him short.
 
Quality bowler To be still going and wanting to be put through the grind at this age is a testament to his fitness and dedication

Hats off to him for such a great career
 
He is one of the most smartest English cricketers, and unlike English batsmen he has well lasted longer than anyone thought , still going strong.

English team since Hussain has been worthy to watch irrespective of inconsistencies and from last 5 years absolutely delightful in all
formats
 
Absolutely wonderful achievement , unbelievable longevity for a fast bowler.

He is what Younis Khan is in 10 K test runs club, not the same class but have the same runs .

Anderson is hardly among the 10 best ever fast bowlers, not in the league of bowlers like Marshall, Hadlee, Akram, Waqar, Imran, Ambrose, Lille, Mcgrath, , but none of them could maintain fitness and from for so long.

Other ATG fast bowlers I mentioned were able to take wickets in all conditions but Anderson mastered his trade mainly in English conditions .

But still an ATG for me , but not in the same league.
 
What were his numbers?

He was really good in pink ball test but wasn't that good otherwise.

Stats might be not that bad.

27 average and 17 wickets.. Not outstanding but more than creditable especially in series where Broad and Woakes averaged almost 50. Had no support. Less said about Moeen Ali the better lol. I take your point about Cummins 23 wickets in that series at 25 average being more impactful but he also had a bowling attack which supported and built pressure.

Also one thing which cannot be shown in stats but I think should have value is how watchable a bowler is. Honestly there’s very few sights in cricket more beautiful than Anderson taking advantage of conditions and setting up a batsman.
 
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Absolutely wonderful achievement , unbelievable longevity for a fast bowler.

He is what Younis Khan is in 10 K test runs club, not the same class but have the same runs .

Anderson is hardly among the 10 best ever fast bowlers, not in the league of bowlers like Marshall, Hadlee, Akram, Waqar, Imran, Ambrose, Lille, Mcgrath, , but none of them could maintain fitness and from for so long.

Other ATG fast bowlers I mentioned were able to take wickets in all conditions but Anderson mastered his trade mainly in English conditions .

But still an ATG for me , but not in the same league.

Would you rate a bowler with 300 wickets who was master in majority conditions higher than a bowler with 600 wickets who mastered a few conditions better than anyone and did ok in test?
 
27 average and 17 wickets.. Not outstanding but more than creditable especially in series where Broad and Woakes averaged almost 50. Had no support. Less said about Moeen Ali the better lol. I take your point about Cummins 23 wickets in that series at 25 average being more impactful but he also had a bowling attack which supported and built pressure.

Also one thing which cannot be shown in stats but I think should have value is how watchable a bowler is. Honestly there’s very few sights in cricket more beautiful than Anderson taking advantage of conditions and setting up a batsman.

Should also be noted the ashes 2017 probably had the worst eng batting line up in that decade.

So it was easier to take their wickets
 
If he is an ATG then so is Kumble.
Both masters of home conditions and economical outside their comfort zones.
Also both have atleast one memorable performance in almost all countries.
 
Jimmy's success proves that height, age and pace are not necessary metrics to succeed as a fast bowler if you have the right skills.
 
Jimmy's success proves that height, age and pace are not necessary metrics to succeed as a fast bowler if you have the right skills.

Jimmy’s 6’2

Most of his career he bowled b/w 137-140kph which is decent enough pace

Very few bowlers have Jimmy’s skill meaning that height and pace get more importance
 
Jimmy is world class at home and decent away. He's had some poor tours of Oz, but to his credit he's had a couple of good ones too. Good bowler.
 
Second best fair-weather conditions bowler after Philander in this era. Fairly decent against strong batting lineups and on flat tracks do though nowhere near as impactful.
 
Second best fair-weather conditions bowler after Philander in this era. Fairly decent against strong batting lineups and on flat tracks do though nowhere near as impactful.

Not this rubbish again. Anderson might have his faults on flat tracks but in "fairweather conditions", no one in this era comes close.
 
If he is an ATG then so is Kumble.
Both masters of home conditions and economical outside their comfort zones.
Also both have atleast one memorable performance in almost all countries.

Kumble and Dev, both did 2 bowlers' work throughout their careers. Their stats don't do justice to their "impact".
 
A 30th five-wicket haul for the England legend in Test cricket as Dickwella slashes to Leach at wide mid-off to fall for 92
 
Credit goes to Mamoon bhai. Since [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] started hyping him, Anderson has been doing well everywhere. Earlier, he was beast only at home and maybe one or two more countries here and there. But in last few years, he had good last tours to South Africa, New Zealand, Australia and now Sri Lanka also.

I think Pakistan fans should hope that Mamoon does the same with Shaheen and Naseem and the results will be visible post that :inti
 
Credit goes to Mamoon bhai. Since [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] started hyping him, Anderson has been doing well everywhere. Earlier, he was beast only at home and maybe one or two more countries here and there. But in last few years, he had good last tours to South Africa, New Zealand, Australia and now Sri Lanka also.

I think Pakistan fans should hope that Mamoon does the same with Shaheen and Naseem and the results will be visible post that :inti

In that case mamoon has already dug the grave for naseem shahs international career.
 
Jimmy is world class at home and decent away. He's had some poor tours of Oz, but to his credit he's had a couple of good ones too. Good bowler.

6-40 off 29 overs with no Duke, no cloud, no seam.
 
A great bowler without being an ATG, imo.

But a really great, great bowler.
 
A slap on the face of everyone who calls him 'Clouderson'.

One of the greatest of all times. Definitely an ATG
 
Anderson's avg away from home since 2017 -

Vs Aus - 27.8
Vs NZ - 25
Vs WI - 24.5
Vs SA - 19.8
Vs SL - 20*
 
38 year old and still performing in Test cricket.

Credit has to go to the ECB also for managing his career so well and ensuring that he has by and large remained injury-free.

And then we have others who don't want to play Test cricket.
 
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A great bowler without being an ATG, imo.

But a really great, great bowler.

+1

Fantastic bowler just below the threshold, but who cares. He is fun to watch when there is help for him. Also, it's very hard to have such a long career and keep doing what he has been doing.
 
38 year old and still performing in Test cricket.

Credit has to go to the ECB also for managing his career so well and ensuring that he has by and large remained injury-free.

And then we have others who don't want to play Test cricket.

Absolutely. He hasnt played an ODI or T20i for years and hasn't complained once.

The ECB have manged his career well and I think they have ensured a level of financial security that means Jimmy is happy playing test cricket and hasn't been enticed by T20 leagues or thrown hissy fits at not being included for LOIs.
 
Absolutely. He hasnt played an ODI or T20i for years and hasn't complained once.

The ECB have manged his career well and I think they have ensured a level of financial security that means Jimmy is happy playing test cricket and hasn't been enticed by T20 leagues or thrown hissy fits at not being included for LOIs.

He retired from limited overs at the age of 33 though and is their all time leading wicket taker in ODIs. When he retired people thought it’s just natural profession and in couple of years he’ll call it quits in Tests too. Amazing he’s still going on 6 years later
 
Anderson's avg away from home since 2017 -

Vs Aus - 27.8
Vs NZ - 25
Vs WI - 24.5
Vs SA - 19.8
Vs SL - 20*

This. His last away performance in all these countries.

Time for him to improve it in India as well, he will get a pink ball test match too.
 
It's the player attitude.
He is still open and working towards learning more. This is the mindset we seriously lack.


"THERE'S NO REASON WHY I CAN'T KEEP IMPROVING - ANDERSON"
James Anderson speaks about his current fitness levels and why there are no immediate retirement plans
 
I now consider him an ATG due to this remarkable longevity. We haven't see anything like it for a fast bowler who plays fof a team who play so much test cricket!
 
Absolutely. He hasnt played an ODI or T20i for years and hasn't complained once.

The ECB have manged his career well and I think they have ensured a level of financial security that means Jimmy is happy playing test cricket and hasn't been enticed by T20 leagues or thrown hissy fits at not being included for LOIs.

His attitude is spot on No airs or graces He doesnt consider himself a star Even at 38 with 600 test wickets he want to continue playing putting the hard yards in and improving and learning

A lot of current bowlers need to look at him and his career and learn from him on how to maintain fitness and how to continue improving and striving year after year
 
More than 600 Test wickets for a fast bowler. Mind boggling consistency and longevity.

Had the Engand coaches not messed him about early on, trying to change the way his head fell over in delivery stride, he would have 700 test wickets by now.
 
He's an ATG.Anybody with 600 Test wickets is,specially a fast bowler

Just not in top tier of Steyn,McGrath,Marshall etc.
 
If he is an ATG then so is Kumble.
Both masters of home conditions and economical outside their comfort zones.
Also both have atleast one memorable performance in almost all countries.


That's rubbish. Kumble played in the bowlers era, where 2 big spinners over-performed him. Kumble is nowhere good.

Whereas, Anderson is still dominating this era which is of the batsman. If Anderson is not ATG of the time, then who is today?
 
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He's an ATG.Anybody with 600 Test wickets is,specially a fast bowler

Just not in top tier of Steyn,McGrath,Marshall etc.

If anything, he is the McGrath of 2010 onwards. He is not the speed fast bowler kind, but of pure discipline and mind.

Yet, difference is England aren't dominating the game like Australia did. Thus, Anderson simply doesn't get praised enough.
 
If anything, he is the McGrath of 2010 onwards. He is not the speed fast bowler kind, but of pure discipline and mind.

Yet, difference is England aren't dominating the game like Australia did. Thus, Anderson simply doesn't get praised enough.

Mcgrath destroyed England in Ashes. Anderson averages in late 20's and 30's against Australia home & away respectively. Obviously he wont be praised like Mcgrath. He dosent have a single great away series against Australia/SA/India, the three best sides of his career. Wonderful Bowler no doubt but a bit hyperbolic to put him among the greats of the game.
 
Mcgrath destroyed England in Ashes. Anderson averages in late 20's and 30's against Australia home & away respectively. Obviously he wont be praised like Mcgrath. He dosent have a single great away series against Australia/SA/India, the three best sides of his career. Wonderful Bowler no doubt but a bit hyperbolic to put him among the greats of the game.

He has a couple of good series, but just to put Anderson's record in perspective.


Anderson away record,

35 against Aus
35 against SA
33 against Ind
33 against NZ
33 against SL

That's 5 test playing nation. Avg of 34+ in those 50+ tests.


The only sides he has a good record when playing away from home is WI and Pakistan. Yes, I am aware of him getting better since 2010, but even in that period, his combined average was not below 30 against these 5 countries.

Here are all pacers with 50+ wickets when playing out of home since Anderson debuted,

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Even if you try to have a cherry-picked period, Anderson will struggle to appear among the top 3-4 pacers when playing away from home.

Spinners always average higher than Pacers over a long period, but even Ashwin, Swann, Lyon, etc have averaged lower than Anderson when playing away.

The world-class bowler with unbelievable longevity, but I won't call him an ATG with these ordinary records when he is not playing at home.
 
If anything, he is the McGrath of 2010 onwards. He is not the speed fast bowler kind, but of pure discipline and mind.

Yet, difference is England aren't dominating the game like Australia did. Thus, Anderson simply doesn't get praised enough.

Arr, there is a slight issue of McGrath averaging 20-21 when playing away from home. Anderson since 2010 has averaged 27-28 when playing outside of the home.
 
He has a couple of good series, but just to put Anderson's record in perspective.


Anderson away record,

35 against Aus
35 against SA
33 against Ind
33 against NZ
33 against SL

That's 5 test playing nation. Avg of 34+ in those 50+ tests.


The only sides he has a good record when playing away from home is WI and Pakistan. Yes, I am aware of him getting better since 2010, but even in that period, his combined average was not below 30 against these 5 countries.

Here are all pacers with 50+ wickets when playing out of home since Anderson debuted,

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Even if you try to have a cherry-picked period, Anderson will struggle to appear among the top 3-4 pacers when playing away from home.

Spinners always average higher than Pacers over a long period, but even Ashwin, Swann, Lyon, etc have averaged lower than Anderson when playing away.

The world-class bowler with unbelievable longevity, but I won't call him an ATG with these ordinary records when he is not playing at home.


Wow those stats are a real eye opener.. shows how good Cummins and Bumrah have been so far and also Steyn and McGrath records:akhtar:akhtar. Also Asif what a shame.. what a career he could have had:amir2:amir2. Surprising to see that Amir has a better average than Jimmy but the caveat being Jimmy has played much more than Amir did.
 
He has a couple of good series, but just to put Anderson's record in perspective.


Anderson away record,

35 against Aus
35 against SA
33 against Ind
33 against NZ
33 against SL

That's 5 test playing nation. Avg of 34+ in those 50+ tests.


The only sides he has a good record when playing away from home is WI and Pakistan. Yes, I am aware of him getting better since 2010, but even in that period, his combined average was not below 30 against these 5 countries.

Here are all pacers with 50+ wickets when playing out of home since Anderson debuted,

View attachment 106454

Even if you try to have a cherry-picked period, Anderson will struggle to appear among the top 3-4 pacers when playing away from home.

Spinners always average higher than Pacers over a long period, but even Ashwin, Swann, Lyon, etc have averaged lower than Anderson when playing away.

The world-class bowler with unbelievable longevity, but I won't call him an ATG with these ordinary records when he is not playing at home.

Bowlers like Bumrah can only dream of Anderson’s shear longevity which has led to a mythical 600 wickets which is simply surreal for a fast bowler, even Asif has outstanding numbers but what did he actually achieve for his country. Fact is, Anderson has benefited his country more then all those bowlers combined because they didn’t last long enough, Bumrah will job out eventually too.
 
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Had the Engand coaches not messed him about early on, trying to change the way his head fell over in delivery stride, he would have 700 test wickets by now.


Even more remarkable feat then. I had no idea about it. So, what happened then - did Anderson change his bowling action or he resisted the England coaches' attempts at modifying his action?
 
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He has a couple of good series, but just to put Anderson's record in perspective.


Anderson away record,

35 against Aus
35 against SA
33 against Ind
33 against NZ
33 against SL

That's 5 test playing nation. Avg of 34+ in those 50+ tests.


The only sides he has a good record when playing away from home is WI and Pakistan. Yes, I am aware of him getting better since 2010, but even in that period, his combined average was not below 30 against these 5 countries.

Here are all pacers with 50+ wickets when playing out of home since Anderson debuted,

View attachment 106454

Even if you try to have a cherry-picked period, Anderson will struggle to appear among the top 3-4 pacers when playing away from home.

Spinners always average higher than Pacers over a long period, but even Ashwin, Swann, Lyon, etc have averaged lower than Anderson when playing away.

The world-class bowler with unbelievable longevity, but I won't call him an ATG with these ordinary records when he is not playing at home.

Wow! Bumrah's away record is even better than Cummins with more wickets than him. He is surely heading to ATG status.
 
For [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION]

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He is aging like fine wine. By the time our kids have kids, Jimmy will still be swinging it miles and picking up wickets. But he is more than 30 years old so friggin' drop him.
 
As a fast bowler, if you take 600+ wickets at an average of 26 odd, you are one of the all-time greats without any doubt. It does not matter what your averages are in in individual countries.

Besides, he has bowled memorable spells in pretty much every country.

Anderson, Cook, Pietersen, Stokes and Root are the five all-time great Test cricketers England have produced in this millennium.
 
As a fast bowler, if you take 600+ wickets at an average of 26 odd, you are one of the all-time greats without any doubt. It does not matter what your averages are in in individual countries.

Besides, he has bowled memorable spells in pretty much every country.

Anderson, Cook, Pietersen, Stokes and Root are the five all-time great Test cricketers England have produced in this millennium.

Only Anderson. Rest are just country greats.
 
If performance in individual venues were discarded then Jayawardene will be widely considered as an ATG with near 12K test runs.

Jayawardene averages below 40 outside home and that puts him in a different category of batsmen who can be great at home, but ordinary away.

Anderson is great at home, but ordinary away, just like Jaya. The volume of runs/wickets can't be enough if you are ordinary on most venues outside of your home.

No ATG pacer is going to have avg of 33-35 in the majority of venues outside the home.
 
It's crazy, he's such a good bowler and has so many wickets yet I've never seen him as some phenomenal game changing player or generational talent. He's just a hardworking simple bowler that bowled well consistently to get 600 wickets yet doesn't evoke fear when you think of him. Definitely in my top 10 of most underrated players.
 
As a fast bowler, if you take 600+ wickets at an average of 26 odd, you are one of the all-time greats without any doubt. It does not matter what your averages are in in individual countries.

Besides, he has bowled memorable spells in pretty much every country.

Anderson, Cook, Pietersen, Stokes and Root are the five all-time great Test cricketers England have produced in this millennium.

By those standards for this millenium:
Australia:
Hayden, Ponting, Clarke, Smith, Gilchrist, Warne, McGrath
India:
VVS, Sachin, Dravid, Kohli
New Zealand: Williamson
SL: Murali, Sangakkara, Jayawardene
SA: Smith, Kallis, Steyn, Philander, De Villiers, Amla

Looking at cricketers who have played a large portion of their careers this century, all who I would consider players of the modern era
For me, 25 cricketers is too many in a single era to be ATG's

The test ATG's debuting post 2000 would be S.Smith, Steyn, Kohli, Sangakkara, De Villiers. Current established players with the potential to become ATG's are:
Cummins, Bumrah if they continue their current records
Rabada if he improves his overseas record
Williamson if he gives major showings in Ind, Aus
Root if he can finish with a 50+ average and 30+ centuries (that number should be easy for someone who players so many tests. If Smith/Kane.Kohli had played so many matches they would have got there/be close)
Stokes if he can continue his form over the last few years

KP was too inconsistent and Anderson, Cook fall just short of the dominance over the majority of conditions required to be an ATG. Instead, they fall in the ATVG tier with the likes of Hayden, Walsh, Kumble etc
 
Wow! Bumrah's away record is even better than Cummins with more wickets than him. He is surely heading to ATG status.

Not clearly better btw.
Bumrah averages 9 in WI and 17 vs no batsmen Aus
26 vs Eng
32 vs NZ
25 vs SA
30 vs non weakened Aus

For comparison Cummins averages
30 in Ind
29 in Bang
20 in Eng and SA

I feel that it is a bit disingenuous to say that Bumrah is better away, he is obviously a fantastic bowler but against quality opposition he has merely been very good, but not great
 
Cook, for some reasons, is underrated. I believe stats don't justify how good player he was.

I don't think so. He has done his share of mediocre attack bashing too like failing in about 8-9 innings and then score a 200 in a dead rubber on a slow low wicket. Anyways, a great player but at same level to Younis, Langer, Kirsten, Smith, Hayden etc.
 
Even more remarkable feat then. I had no idea about it. So, what happened then - did Anderson change his bowling action or he resisted the England coaches' attempts at modifying his action?

He tried to do what they said, couldn’t and got dropped. He went back to his old action, was picked again in NZ in 2008 when Harmison and Hoggard declined, and has played ever since, gradually improving. He copied Asif and Amir’s reverse swing tactics and became more effective overseas.
 
As a fast bowler, if you take 600+ wickets at an average of 26 odd, you are one of the all-time greats without any doubt. It does not matter what your averages are in in individual countries.

Besides, he has bowled memorable spells in pretty much every country.

Anderson, Cook, Pietersen, Stokes and Root are the five all-time great Test cricketers England have produced in this millennium.

I wouldn’t say that were true for any of them. Anderson still has some holes in his figures overseas. Cook couldn’t play really good quick stuff, while Pietersen was more a player of great innings than a great player. Stokes is a work in progress, neither a world class bat nor a front line bowler.

Root might be an ATG by the time he finishes.
 
Bowlers like Bumrah can only dream of Anderson’s shear longevity which has led to a mythical 600 wickets which is simply surreal for a fast bowler, even Asif has outstanding numbers but what did he actually achieve for his country. Fact is, Anderson has benefited his country more then all those bowlers combined because they didn’t last long enough, Bumrah will job out eventually too.

Going by that Logic why stop at ATG, Anderson is even better than Malcolm Marshall.
 
If performance in individual venues were discarded then Jayawardene will be widely considered as an ATG with near 12K test runs.

Jayawardene averages below 40 outside home and that puts him in a different category of batsmen who can be great at home, but ordinary away.

Anderson is great at home, but ordinary away, just like Jaya. The volume of runs/wickets can't be enough if you are ordinary on most venues outside of your home.

No ATG pacer is going to have avg of 33-35 in the majority of venues outside the home.

If a batsman scores the most Test runs in history and breaks the 16k barrier, he will deserve to be considered an all-timer in spite of averaging below 50 in several venues.

Jayawardene is not the batting equivalent of Anderson. He does not have the most Test runs in history.
 
If a batsman scores the most Test runs in history and breaks the 16k barrier, he will deserve to be considered an all-timer in spite of averaging below 50 in several venues.

Jayawardene is not the batting equivalent of Anderson. He does not have the most Test runs in history.
So your argument is based on number of wickets.
What happens when some fast bowler surpasses him (for ex Stuart Broad), your argument is very weak.
Kapil dev retired as the highest wicket taker, so was he an atg bowler?

Anderson should be ranked on the same level as Kumble/Ashwin nothing less nothing more.
 
So your argument is based on number of wickets.
What happens when some fast bowler surpasses him (for ex Stuart Broad), your argument is very weak.
Kapil dev retired as the highest wicket taker, so was he an atg bowler?

Anderson should be ranked on the same level as Kumble/Ashwin nothing less nothing more.

If Broad surpasses him he will also deserve to be considered legendary. 600+ wickets for a fast bowler is no joke.

Kapil was the world’s leading wicket-taker but he did not break any barrier. He merely overtook Hadlee.

Anderson is not only the leading wicket-taker but he is also the first fast bowler to reach the remarkable league of 600 wickets. An incredible feat.

History will remember Anderson for being the highest or the second highest wicket-taking fast bowler ever because it is very, very unlikely for any fast bowler in the future to take 600+ Test scalps.

No one in the future will get geeky over his stats and cherry-pick his performances by breaking down his numbers in different countries.
 
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