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That's 10-15 funerals on a daily basis.
Question is what was the normal number pre this wave
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That's 10-15 funerals on a daily basis.
Stay safe brotherYes. It has grown rapidly in the last one week. Cases very near to my house
Question is what was the normal number pre this wave
A thing Modi supporters should realize regarding criticism of Modi:
The actual criticism is not just because India is being crushed by Covid or that so many people are dying or that it’s spread so far. No government would have been able to stop that for the most part. Even if The mela and rallies in bengal were wrong decision, the criticism is not solely due to covid spreading due to those events.
The real Criticism and where Modi government is actually to blame is that the Indian government has had more than one year to prepare for this. The PM Cares fund has hundreds of millions of dollars in it and the whole past year could have been used to prepare for this and build hospital beds and facilities. Heck even if luckily there was no such wave; having these facilities would still have helped India in long term. India anyway has one of the lowest beds per capita ratio in the world. So it wouldn’t have been waste
Instead modi govt claimed victory over covid and have not given an account of where PM cares money went
A thing Modi supporters should realize regarding criticism of Modi:
The actual criticism is not just because India is being crushed by Covid or that so many people are dying or that it’s spread so far. No government would have been able to stop that for the most part. Even if The mela and rallies in bengal were wrong decision, the criticism is not solely due to covid spreading due to those events.
The real Criticism and where Modi government is actually to blame is that the Indian government has had more than one year to prepare for this. The PM Cares fund has hundreds of millions of dollars in it and the whole past year could have been used to prepare for this and build hospital beds and facilities. Heck even if luckily there was no such wave; having these facilities would still have helped India in long term. India anyway has one of the lowest beds per capita ratio in the world. So it wouldn’t have been waste
Instead modi govt claimed victory over covid and have not given an account of where PM cares money went
Modi supporters are complicit in the crushing of India by Covid. They have blood on their hands and are therefore trying to deflect by saying its not Modi's fault, western media is lying or the people spreading the truth about Covid are anti-nationals.
Show me where anyone said media is lying about covid spread.
You are a clever man...use your analytic skills that you deploy whenever Islam is mentioned and you can find the posts.
This conclusively proves that this second second wave completely owes its harrowing manifestation to sanghis. Such is their lust for vote bank politics and power at any cost!West Bengal has highest coronavirus case spike rate in India
NEW DELHI: At 9.5%, poll-bound West Bengal has the highest Covid-19 case growth in the country now, data shared by the Union health ministry showed. It was followed by Karnataka, which has a near explosive growth rate of 9%, while Delhi, reeling under a huge medical oxygen crisis, has the second-lowest growth rate at 1.5% after Maharashtra (0.5 %), among the surge states. And at about 50%, Bengal’s capital Kolkata now has the highest test positivity rate.
The stark West Bengal data showed a mirror to the Election Commission of India that till recently chose to ignore all violations of Covid-appropriate behaviour in the run up to the eight-phase elections in the state. Despite massive mask-less political rallies that created an uproar, the poll panel tried to wish them away till last week when it got a stinker from the Calcutta High Court and was forced to act.
Another worrying figure was the 1,800% spike in active cases in Uttarakhand between March 31 and April 24, which coincided with the Haridwar Maha Kumbh, indicating the mela was a possible super spreader event in the state. Prior to the Maha Kumbh, the total active cases stood at 1,863 (March 31), but they quickly ballooned to 33,330 by April 24.
India, now the worst-hit in the pandemic globally, has been reporting nearly 1,500 or more daily deaths since April 20. On Sunday, the highest 2,812 fatalities were recorded. There are also concerns that the fatality count is being majorly undercounted in most cities and towns.
In a health ministry press briefing on Monday, several government authorities, including V K Paul, member, Niti Aayog and Randeep Guleria, director, AIIMS Delhi urged patients to follow home isolation protocols unless hospitalisation is absolutely required.
https://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/2021/apr/27/west-bengal-has-highest-coronavirus-case-spike-rate-in-india-2295331.html
This conclusively proves that this second second wave completely owes its harrowing manifestation to sanghis. Such is their lust for vote bank politics and power at any cost!
Alas, the true numbers of infections as well as deaths may never be known. The poor collation of statistics and under reporting is a factor but something more sinister is also occurring.
In my ancestral village in Gujarat (pop. 11k) there have been 10-15 funerals taking place for the past week. Most of the deceased were elderly and some had underlying conditions. My parents are in regular contact with the people on the ground and the oft-repeated narrative from their families is officially the deaths are not being registered as covid related. Moreover, testing for covid is not being conducted with the same vigour as a couple of months ago.
I can appreciate that in a country like India, systems can collapse under the sheer pressure this current wave is exerting. However, politicians along with their acolytes and lackeys as well as the sycophantic media have a lot to answer for..
cousin sister of my friend who is also gujrati died yesterday.She was 7 months pregnant!!..devastating..
very unfortunate. whats the situation of the husband? he'll need lots of courage and support right now.
The baby survived?
I dont know about the baby but the husband is in isolation..not in good mental state as one can understand..
yeah. no one can imagine what pain he is going through. it'll take him lot of time to recover from this. May God give him the strength. and rest in peace the people who died so early.
Everything is wrong in being a sanghi. See this insensitive sanghi for instance,Whats wrong with being a sanghi? it's the biggest organization for the interest of hindus.
Everything is wrong in being a sanghi. See this insensitive sanghi for instance,
"Dead Won't Come Back To Life If...": ML Khattar On Data Fudging Charge
Chandigarh: Haryana Chief Minister Manohar Lal Khattar today dubbed "pointless" allegations that his government was tinkering with the data on Covid-related deaths in his state to suppress the overall figures. He said the focus in these difficult times must be on helping people battle the disease.
"The kind of situation we are in, we don't want to tinker with data," Mr Khattar told reporters yesterday in Hisar. He was visiting the district to check on the condition of health facilities there.
Referring to the five deaths in the district on Monday allegedly due to a shortage of oxygen, he said the limitations of the available infrastructure must be taken into consideration.
Five COVID-19 patients died in a private hospital with the hospital authorities attributing the deaths to the shortage of oxygen. The administration denied this and ordered a magisterial probe.
"We should focus on seeing how people can recover. No amount of furore can bring back the dead. There is no point in a debate over the number of deaths..." he said. "This pandemic...neither you knew about it nor I.
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/cov...amid-crisis-2422826?pfrom=home-ndtv_topscroll
cousin sister of my friend who is also gujrati died yesterday.She was 7 months pregnant!!..devastating..
That's is truly heart-wrenching; my heart goes out to the family..
When one hears of an elderly person dying it's tragic but ultimately one can rationalise it by the thought that they'd had a decent innings, albeit prematurely cut short. However, when it's a relatively younger person - as with your anecdote - with plenty of life left ahead of them, it tugs at the heart in an indescribable way.
Over the course of this pandemic with the daily drip of cumulative statistics, one almost becomes desensitised to the individual stories contained within those figures. We can lose sight of the fact that every death is a personal tragedy for a family somewhere.
I was watching the news earlier and caught a report about the situation in Gujarat. The correspondent spoke of the figures emerging from the state, particularly highlighting the gross under reporting of deaths. If I heard correctly,
the official statistics show a total of approximately 150 deaths per day for the state. However, in one crematorium alone they had conducted 600 funerals over the course of 24 hours. There are scores, if not hundreds of crematoriums dotted across the state so one imagine what the actual situation is. And that's only one state, I wonder how bad it is in others.
There are obviously issues with collating information but as I and others have said, something much more sinister is occurring. Modi, his government and their lackeys in various guises are engaged in a wholesale cover up to deny us the true picture of the criminal incompetence that's taking place. That there are people who are defending this, is unfathomable to me. Honestly such people are in some ways more culpable than those in charge because they're enablers and without them people like Modi simply would not exist.
The one small ray of hope throughout this pandemic was the fact that children were not contracting the virus other than in isolated cases. I recently read a report from Brazil which has utterly spooked me as I'm a parent; thousands of children have died in their most recent wave. One can only pray and hope that this is not harbinger of what's to come..
Yes agreed. I have read that man children in India have been infected by this variant. With regards to the under-reporting, they are not classifying homes deaths by covid as covid deaths and only those with hospital certificates are being classed as covid deaths. This could ultimatlely change but I suspect alot later. For now I have heard many saying just double the official count. I saw an interview with a paaji who was in charge of burials and he said the above. Essentially he was saying the system in Delhi has practically collapsed and he is seeing double the number of deaths as reported.Heartbreaking.
Khanbhai, when the dust settles and we have all the information, I fear it may be much, much higher; some experts think upto five times the current tally. I hope that they’re wrong but sadly everything seems to indicate they're not far off from the reality of the situation.
I believe you may be right. What is the situation in other states like Kerala where they have largely controlled covid? and UP? I have heard alot about Delhi and Gujrat but not much about other areas. Also is it true that some states are blocking the supply of oxygen to other states due to politics??
I believe you may be right. What is the situation in other states like Kerala where they have largely controlled covid? and UP? I have heard alot about Delhi and Gujrat but not much about other areas. Also is it true that some states are blocking the supply of oxygen to other states due to politics??
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">After two days of struggle with materials and procedures, we could generate 600 Ltrs of 99% Pure Oxygen through Chemical Route. No electricity – No problem. Mixing two cheap and widely accessible raw materials did the magic. All the materials are environmentally benign. <a href="https://t.co/0H9W2oHbqW">pic.twitter.com/0H9W2oHbqW</a></p>— Srinivas Hotha (@HothaSrinivas) <a href="https://twitter.com/HothaSrinivas/status/1385234702886338563?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 22, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
It looks like India's scientists will eventually save the country!
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">After two days of struggle with materials and procedures, we could generate 600 Ltrs of 99% Pure Oxygen through Chemical Route. No electricity – No problem. Mixing two cheap and widely accessible raw materials did the magic. All the materials are environmentally benign. <a href="https://t.co/0H9W2oHbqW">pic.twitter.com/0H9W2oHbqW</a></p>— Srinivas Hotha (@HothaSrinivas) <a href="https://twitter.com/HothaSrinivas/status/1385234702886338563?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 22, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
It looks like India's scientists will eventually save the country!
I heard wealthy people are going to foreign or went thier at the start of the current situation
How this Surat govt hospital cut Covid patients’ admission wait to 15 minutes from 5 hours
Surat: At the New Civil Hospital of Surat, a government facility, Hiraben, 45, is seated on the lawns. Inside, her younger sister, aged 40, is being treated for Covid-19. Recalling the day they brought her to the hospital, which is Surat’s biggest Covid facility, Hiraben describes a hassle-free admission process.
“Two nights ago, my sister got breathless and suffered chest pain. She had tested positive (for Covid) the same day,” she said. “We decided to take her to hospital immediately but we couldn’t find an ambulance. We brought her here in our own vehicle. As soon as we arrived, they (hospital staff) checked her vitals and she was immediately given a bed.”
Its state was no different from that of many other government hospitals around India that have found themselves overwhelmed by the pandemic.
The deluge of patients — and fears that the long wait may kill some of them — set doctors at New Civil Hospital Surat brainstorming about potential solutions.
What ensued from these deliberations was a seamless chain of medical assistance called ‘Ambulance OPD’ that begins at the ambulance and extends to three parts of the premises that together comprise 2,600 beds. Largely, the system involves examining each patient arriving in the government-run 108 ambulances while they are in the vehicles, and then shifting them to different sections of the hospital based on the severity of their symptoms.
Each of the ambulances is equipped with a triaging protocol, which allows the patients to be categorised on the basis of the nature of treatment required.
This model, say hospital administrators, has helped reduce admission time at the facility to 10-15 minutes from up to 5-6 hours earlier this month.
“Our systematic approach to solving the problem did the trick for us,” said Dr Parul Vadhgama, 40, the head of the hospital’s respiratory department who has been key in setting up the Ambulance OPD model. “I am getting calls from doctors in other cities asking for instructions on how to manage queuing ambulances.”
https://theprint.in/health/how-this...ssion-wait-to-15-minutes-from-5-hours/647067/
A thing Modi supporters should realize regarding criticism of Modi:
The actual criticism is not just because India is being crushed by Covid or that so many people are dying or that it’s spread so far. No government would have been able to stop that for the most part. Even if The mela and rallies in bengal were wrong decision, the criticism is not solely due to covid spreading due to those events.
The real Criticism and where Modi government is actually to blame is that the Indian government has had more than one year to prepare for this. The PM Cares fund has hundreds of millions of dollars in it and the whole past year could have been used to prepare for this and build hospital beds and facilities. Heck even if luckily there was no such wave; having these facilities would still have helped India in long term. India anyway has one of the lowest beds per capita ratio in the world. So it wouldn’t have been waste
Instead modi govt claimed victory over covid and have not given an account of where PM cares money went
These are just the bigger cities in UP, in rural areas people arent getting tested and just dying. That number may never be recordedThis Yogi nut case is suppose to be Indias PM in waiting.
I believe you may be right. What is the situation in other states like Kerala where they have largely controlled covid? and UP? I have heard alot about Delhi and Gujrat but not much about other areas. Also is it true that some states are blocking the supply of oxygen to other states due to politics??
I heard wealthy people are going to foreign or went thier at the start of the current situation
Health is a state subject and not a union subject. So state governments are responsible for health matters. Union government can at the most provide some funding and support.
Please educate yourself before commenting on other countries.
Lol, bhakts and their pathetic excuses to save their master.Do not make excuses and hide behind ‘state subject’ excuses
Covid is national emergency so not some random run of the mill health issue.
Do not make excuses and hide behind ‘state subject’ excuses
Covid is national emergency so not some random run of the mill health issue.
Do not make excuses and hide behind ‘state subject’ excuses
Covid is national emergency so not some random run of the mill health issue.
Firstly yes it is a national emergency and the central government/ Modi are equally accountable.
No 2 ways about it.
However you seem to draw equivalence between govt structure in Pak and India. In Pak obviously everyone knows army runs the show and decides who should do what. India doesn’t work that way.
If Modi goes to Bengal, it becomes Modi vs Mamta, in TN it is Modi vs DMK etc, Modi vs Kejriwal in Delhi . there are strong regional leaders who are as powerful or influential as Modi on their turf.
They have defied Modi’s decisions before too.
So these guys are no dummies and they are equally if not more accountable as much as the central government.
In fact can’t even blame politicians entirely because this is mostly and unfortunately the public’s fault for violating SOP’s. I am not saying this to defend Modi but that’s pretty much the biggest reason for this pandemic any where in the world . People being idiots.
Do not make excuses and hide behind ‘state subject’ excuses
Covid is national emergency so not some random run of the mill health issue.
You don't have idea about jurisdiction of central and state govt in case of India. one can not supersede each other.
Ok sure keep blaming state governments and vice versa while deaths keep climbing in officiall tally forget the actual numbers
will blaming either party reduce the death count?
The whole system involves ministries, health care, financial institutions right up to a common man. In a country with billion people, there Wil. be geometric progression spread.
Let me ask this. If you were in charge what different steps would you have had take?
Do not make excuses and hide behind ‘state subject’ excuses
Covid is national emergency so not some random run of the mill health issue.
will blaming either party reduce the death count?
There is no excuse. Union govt cannot dismiss state governments and take over their powers because there is a pandemic.
As i said educate yourself before commenting.
Central government did a national lockdown, declared COVID a national disaster issue and also raised funds at national level through PMCares fund. So it is very much a central
Government matter
So by the same account should Modi get all the credit for the vaccine diplomacy as well? I mean it can’t be that everything that is wrong is his fault but good things should go to somewhere else?
Because Biden in his tweet said it is time for other countries to “help back” India as well.
Yea obv he got credit for his vaccine diplomacy PR and india being pharmacy of world... I mean he got till the truth came out I gues and india had to stop exportsz
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But I would have done exactly what modi did the first time or if I am feeling extra cautious I'd follow the Pak approach of smart lockdowns (they did it in previous summer)
I feel that both countries had good ideas and made bold decisions at the beginning of the pandemic but this time around are suffering from brain fade moments (as Pakistan isn't making a concentrated effort and we are also expeted to reach India (hopefully we don't finger crossed))
looking through the year, religious gatherings though are hyped by the media, is actually a small part of a bigger problem.
US, Europe doesn't have to face two sided war but India must. even after knowing its spreading, India can not go lockdown or even while putting curfew, it has to be extremely cautious about timings. it's not that ministries don't care about human life but if you put curfew during busy hours, the labor class, roadside vendors, the small farmers and their logistics or even small markets will face crisis. these people hardly manages a day when a "bandh" is called and going through a curfew will be impossible.
smart lockdown won't work here because people will never follow the SOP. Western countries have a privilege in this aspect with the added benefit of small population.
You can fight a war in one front. but if it's happening in both front and back, then it becomes harder to balance. there will always be a collateral damage which you can only minimize but not erase it. no one knows where the balance is and it'll be impossible to estimate that range.
itachi - the bold part makes no sense at all, how do you blame western countries for having a smaller population who also follow the SOP- as you call it
Lets see who many apologists of the murderer write essays for their messiah who is directly culpable for this.https://twitter.com/kapskom/status/1387067038221361156/photo/1
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Narendra Modi's murderously reckless party held this mass rally in southern India earlier today. Only a few hundred kilometres from this event, a local journalist told me, "people are dropping like flies". <a href="https://t.co/zP9LAMCU3B">pic.twitter.com/zP9LAMCU3B</a></p>— Kapil Komireddi (@kapskom) <a href="https://twitter.com/kapskom/status/1387067038221361156?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 27, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
looking through the year, religious gatherings though are hyped by the media, is actually a small part of a bigger problem.
US, Europe doesn't have to face two sided war but India must. even after knowing its spreading, India can not go lockdown or even while putting curfew, it has to be extremely cautious about timings. it's not that ministries don't care about human life but if you put curfew during busy hours, the labor class, roadside vendors, the small farmers and their logistics or even small markets will face crisis. these people hardly manages a day when a "bandh" is called and going through a curfew will be impossible.
smart lockdown won't work here because people will never follow the SOP. Western countries have a privilege in this aspect with the added benefit of small population.
You can fight a war in one front. but if it's happening in both front and back, then it becomes harder to balance. there will always be a collateral damage which you can only minimize but not erase it. no one knows where the balance is and it'll be impossible to estimate that range.
https://twitter.com/kapskom/status/1387067038221361156/photo/1
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Narendra Modi's murderously reckless party held this mass rally in southern India earlier today. Only a few hundred kilometres from this event, a local journalist told me, "people are dropping like flies". <a href="https://t.co/zP9LAMCU3B">pic.twitter.com/zP9LAMCU3B</a></p>— Kapil Komireddi (@kapskom) <a href="https://twitter.com/kapskom/status/1387067038221361156?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 27, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
It worked last summer in Pakistan, we stabilized the situation cause of it and if it can work in Pakistan than it can also work in india