Could Pakistan batsmen have played an innings like Jos Buttler and Chris Woakes?

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Credit to Jos Buttler and Chris Woakes for their fantastic batting. The reality is that none of the current Pakistani batsmen could have played such innings <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/EngvPak?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#EngvPak</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1292153171922624512?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 8, 2020</a></blockquote>
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[Prince of Pakistan]

You can't have three number 11's in the UK.

Yet again shown why Amir, Hasan and Faheem were important in 2018. Wahab is even better than Faheem.

 

[Abdullah]

Non except for beliwving and hanging in mentally.
Our quicks did not have the steam to bowl the bouncer barrage required to woakes ( maybe archer had a point- or it could be to do with match fitness)

Nobody can do in world cricket what Jos butler did.
Think of kohli Smith Williamson and any other of the top test bats and they would not have been playing aggressive sweeps and reverse sweeps out of the rough and nailing them. That transferred the pressure back.

On a side note we should have kept getting Jos to try and sweep from the rough area around the wicket, but we stopped too soon as he nailed a few

 

[Mamoon]

If we could, we wouldn’t be 7th in the world.

We are a deeply mediocre team.

 

[Abdullah]

I repeat nobody in world cricket could have played that innings ( in terms of playing those forceful sweeps and reverse sweeps from the rough)
I think initially he tried it as a high risk strategy to see how he went, almost In a nothing to lose type way, but then he just carried on

 

[Energy]

Absolutely not.

Even if Pakistan were 220/5 needing another 50 to win they would have still lost the game. This is the reality. They would have run themselves out, hit their own wickets, top-edged to yorkers and tried other modes of dismissals to.

 

[JattMaula]

Yes.

Chasing a non-impossible score in home conditions is not an extraordinary thing.

 

[fitCricFan]

Could they have!!!!, I am sure on their day they sure would have but today (sorry y'day) was not their day

 

[MenInG]

Some mental issues with batsmen and shot selection also a problem as Shadab showed in first innings.

 

[Slog]

Asad shafiq can but lose his wicket near the end and not finish game

 

[Robert]

Sure why not?

They were able to stay very calm and improvise shots, treating it as a LO match.

 

[leg-side-flick]

Sure why not?

They were able to stay very calm and improvise shots, treating it as a LO match.

Pakistan obliged them by offering a LO fielding set up and no reverse swing

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

England is a different force at the moment. The last two years they have really dominated all forms of the game. There is a lot of confidence in their unit. Pakistan did very well to almost win to be honest. I expect England to dominate world cricket for the next 5 years. Think of it - We played the best we could in the most suited conditions with everything including the toss going our way for 3 full days. England screwed everything including catches, stumpings, poor bowling, etc but still managed to win. Just shows the character of the current English team.

 

[majiz]

can't really imagine it. that partnership was chanceless. pak have no resilience whatsoever as you go down their batting order really

 

[Saj]

Too many bottlers.

Players who are ok when there isn't a lot to play for, or it's a flat deck and the bowling is average.

4th innings chase, 277 to win on a tricky deck, most of our guys would have been back in the pavilion before you know it.

 

[Titan24]

Our players are not mentally strong enough to do that and dont have anywhere near as much of self belief in batting to win from such a situation. To be optimistic, we can only hope that Babar and couple of other young batsmen can develop the same pressure handling skills and self belief required at test level to play like this in 4th innings.

I dont think many teams currently can match such a mindset which some of Eng players as well as management carries across the formats.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Abdul Razzaq and Kamran Akmal could do it in their prime.

In this tea., Maybe Yasir Shah and Shadab are capable of it.

Remember England have done it at home. Most bowlers bat much better at home.

 

[sweep_shot]

Butler and Woakes had a freak partnership. That doesn't happen everyday.

Only Pakistani batsman who could've done it is probably Shadab or Wahab. They can counterattack.

 

[happydavy]

Chasing 275+ in 4th inning in England against England, don't think any of the current teams could do that. WI did it once in their last tour though. Only team which could have done it consistently in the last decade was SA team led by Graeme Smith.

 

[Plumb]

Not in a million years. The defensive mindset which has been from last decade continues with genius Misbah. No we don’t have that batting to do such miracles

 

[gibsyhesperis]

No — not because of technique, not because of defensive mind set, not beacause of being too attacking.

They lack mental fortitude and character.
When Australia were in the doldrums they appointed Border and had Simpson as coach — the mantra was mental strength and character even more so than so-called talent.
Too many of our players lack that key characteristic — under pressure they fold like a pack of cards.

 

[Justcrazy]

No , pakistan batters are not that talented or mentally strong. That is why they are ranked so low across formats

 

[ManFan]

They are weak.

Fragile men exalted by an eager and weary fan base.

 

[shamaan]

No , pakistan batters are not that talented or mentally strong. That is why they are ranked so low across formats

It's a mental thing rather than skills

 

[El Generico]

Didn't Shan and Shadab play a similar sort of role at the end of the first inning?

 

[Markhor]

You can't have three number 11's in the UK.

Yet again shown why Amir, Hasan and Faheem were important in 2018. Wahab is even better than Faheem.

Don't think you can have three number 11s anywhere in the world. Look at the Abu Dhabi Tests against Sri Lanka and New Zealand in 2017 and 2018 that went down to the wire.

If we had tailenders who could hold a bat, we would still be unbeaten in the UAE. However we have the likes of Naseem Shah, who while is a promising young bowler, looks comical even playing a forward defensive !

 

[JaDed]

Didn't Shan and Shadab play a similar sort of role at the end of the first inning?

How can 1st inning be compared to 4th while chasing.

 

[fight_club]

I have been writing it for years now that a sports psychologist is must for Pakistan team especially for our
batsmen. A lot what English team has achieved over the past 4 years is primarily due to a complete change
in their approach towards the game.

You need an excellent support system which backs you up to play aggressive cricket as you may come across looking reckless sometimes, Then you need to work on science of aggression which means working
on angles, Areas where you are strong, which are your best shots, knowing your limitation and your game.

We saw that spark in Shahdab and we also witnessed how it suddenly changed the entire momentum of
1st inning and even rubbed on Masood to play for more freely. India has in Kohli era mastered the art
of positive batting which is devoid of too many risk but you still rollick at great pace.

 

[Justcrazy]

It's a mental thing rather than skills

Mental Toughness is part of skills , unfortunately Pakistan Fans have to accept it now . Pakistan is no longer a force in cricket. There is a lack of talent , on top of that nepotism in selections , lack of long term planning . There is nothing positive .

 

[El Generico]

How can 1st inning be compared to 4th while chasing.

Not saying it was the same thing, obviously the 4th innings have more value. My point was we have players who have the skills to play these counter-attacking knocks. The issue is our player lack the mental toughness to play these sort of innings in crunch situations.

 

[Saj]

We are producing too many 4 over champions.

Kings of T20, yet weak at the most testing format.

This needs a culture change, it won't happen quickly.

 

[Firebat]

No way Pakistani batsmen could've produced a counter-attacking innings and partnership like that under pressure. We are far too spineless, and that's why we are far better placed defending a score in the 4th innings instead of chasing one down. Yes we lost, but if we were chasing we would not at any point have had the game in our hands, like we did on Saturday.

 

[MMHS]

YK did play some, at least two I can recall - against SAF (2007) and that Palekelle chase - he came at 10/2 with 370 more to go .... and never allowed Lankan spinners to settle.

From this current team, I doubt - certainly no Babar Azam. At effectively 150/2 the way he played doesn’t give any confidence.

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]
Haider Ali has got that fire of younis. I expect him to play such knocks in the future.
Shan, while not great with a counterattack is someone who can also deliver under pressure because he has a great mentality. He was the partner in crime with Younis in that Palekelle chase.
It is this quality among so many others why I am desperate for Shan to take over as captain.
Haider can be made hisdeputy in a couple of years.
I dont see Babar having leadership qualities.

 

[Robert]

Too many bottlers.

Players who are ok when there isn't a lot to play for, or it's a flat deck and the bowling is average.

4th innings chase, 277 to win on a tricky deck, most of our guys would have been back in the pavilion before you know it.

To be fair to England that was close to a miracle win. I would have backed Pakistan 19 times out of 20. Yes, the captain went defensive too early but Buttler and Woakes still had to have the skill and calm to hit the runs they did against a very good attack.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

YK did play some, at least two I can recall - against SAF (2007) and that Palekelle chase - he came at 10/2 with 370 more to go .... and never allowed Lankan spinners to settle.

From this current team, I doubt - certainly no Babar Azam. At effectively 150/2 the way he played doesn’t give any confidence.

In NZ in 2011, Younis scored 81 after like 30/3 on the final day to secure a draw, and Pakistans last test series win in SENA. Absolutely clutch.

 

[TrentDevil]

Only partnership of such stature that I remember, happened at U19 WC 2014 when Zafar Gohar & Amad Butt scored 70+ after being 7 wickets down chasing a target of 200 odd in the semifinals against England

 

[MMHS]

[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]
Haider Ali has got that fire of younis. I expect him to play such knocks in the future.
Shan, while not great with a counterattack is someone who can also deliver under pressure because he has a great mentality. He was the partner in crime with Younis in that Palekelle chase.
It is this quality among so many others why I am desperate for Shan to take over as captain.
Haider can be made hisdeputy in a couple of years.
I dont see Babar having leadership qualities.

May be, but does he possess the technique of Younis?

 

[shamaan]

May be, but does he possess the technique of Younis?

Younis didnt have much technique against the swinging ball but it was sheer determination and grit

 

[Saj]

To be fair to England that was close to a miracle win. I would have backed Pakistan 19 times out of 20. Yes, the captain went defensive too early but Buttler and Woakes still had to have the skill and calm to hit the runs they did against a very good attack.

I think as soon as Buttler and Woakes hit a few boundaries, Pakistan were gone.

Stronger teams, better led teams would have counter-attacked against England, but instead Pakistan went into a defensive mode and presented England with ample space to go on and win the match.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

I think as soon as Buttler and Woakes hit a few boundaries, Pakistan were gone.

Stronger teams, better led teams would have counter-attacked against England, but instead Pakistan went into a defensive mode and presented England with ample space to go on and win the match.

Exactly!!! Why didn't Azhar attack? Woakes is weak against the short ball and he was scoring all of his runs on the off side. Azhar should have stuck fielder's close to his scoring zone on the off side and choked up the singles. But this clown just spread the field even though there was 100+ runs to play with.

 

[viveks]

I reckon they could in home conditions as well

 

[Fahdi]

Different circumstances but I would say Rizwan's innings so far has been better. He's done it against a far superior bowling lineup in more testing conditions where there was significant swing all the way from overs 1-80.

 

[MenInG]

I would say 2nd innings, under pressure is a different kettle of fish - dont think any Pak batsman can play that from this current lot.

 

[tyron_woodley]

what's so special about performing at home?
I mean yea they performed well for sure but Pakistani tail enders can match these feats at their home in pakistam/u.a.e too.