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Could someone from this generation dethrone Sachin Tendulkar as GOAT World Cup batter

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People could have a 50 page arguement on this but Tendulkar is most likely to be adjudged the GOAT World Cup batter.

6 world cups, dominated 3 of them. It’s pretty surreal. Who in this generation has even played 4 world cups.
 
Bhaijaan said:
People could have a 50 page arguement on this but Tendulkar is most likely to be adjudged the GOAT World Cup batter.

6 world cups, dominated 3 of them. It’s pretty surreal. Who in this generation has even played 4 world cups.
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He didn't dominate the 2011 World Cup.

Played well in 1996 and 2003. But got out in the first over in the 2003 World Cup final when it mattered the most.

There is a strong argument for Viv Richards, Ponting and Gilchrist as being better batters in the World Cup as all 3 have played significant roles in winning MULTIPLE World Cups.
 
Right after 2007 world cup Sachin contemplated about retirement. Viv talked to him for 45 minutes and convinced him that there is plenty left in the tank.
 
I don't think Tendulkar is the best bat aka the god of cricket that they make him out to be. Granted no one is beating his 100-100 record.

He'd defo top 10 all time, but imo viv Richards, Pointing were superior.

So many cups won under pointing and his clutch innings he played.
 
Regarding the topic.

I think Miandad played 5 or 6 i believe. But he was a total waste of space in a couple of world cups. He was past by sell date. 1999 world cup i feel for Sachin as he lost his father and he didn't play a couple of matches went to India. He was not quiet himself after that in the world cup. Still made a 100. 1992 was not a flop either. He did very well for India. Just that others sucked. 2007 was the only world cup he failed. That is when that Chappell fiasco happened. Chappell tried to slot everyone srategically to get the best out and asked Sachin to bat in the middle order. It completely screwed us over.
 
mominsaigol said:
I don't think Tendulkar is the best bat aka the god of cricket that they make him out to be. Granted no one is beating his 100-100 record.

He'd defo top 10 all time, but imo viv Richards, Pointing were superior.

So many cups won under pointing and his clutch innings he played.
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Punter with that strike rate of 79? lol He had one good world cup.
 
Like I said, you could have a 60 page arguement and still Sachin would have the greatest claim to being the ODI world cups batting GOAT unless someone from this generation eclipses him.
 
mominsaigol said:
I don't think Tendulkar is the best bat aka the god of cricket that they make him out to be. Granted no one is beating his 100-100 record.

He'd defo top 10 all time, but imo viv Richards, Pointing were superior.

So many cups won under pointing and his clutch innings he played.
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Punter was playing for ATG Australian side. Once they all left same punter couldn't win anything in 2011.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Regarding the topic.

I think Miandad played 5 or 6 i believe. But he was a total waste of space in a couple of world cups. He was past by sell date. 1999 world cup i feel for Sachin as he lost his father and he didn't play a couple of matches went to India. He was not quiet himself after that in the world cup. Still made a 100. 1992 was not a flop either. He did very well for India. Just that others sucked. 2007 was the only world cup he failed. That is when that Chappell fiasco happened. Chappell tried to slot everyone srategically to get the best out and asked Sachin to bat in the middle order. It completely screwed us over.
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I think from memory he lost his grandmother and I don't think he missed any games but I stand corrected if I am wrong
 
Bhaijaan said:
Like I said, you could have a 60 page arguement and still Sachin would have the greatest claim to being the ODI world cups batting GOAT unless someone from this generation eclipses him.
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I don't think even Richard will debate that :)
 
Viv was the greatest WC player by mile. Won 2 WCs, arrogance and overconfidence cost him another against a terrible Ind team.
 
When ODIs were in infancy stage with no real team knowing how to play ODIs it was not that hard to West indies bullying oppositions. But once more teams started playing well ODis WI didn't win many world tournaments even with Richards. Lost 1983. Lost in 1985 benson hedges, Lost 1987 world cup.
 
Nobody cares about averages and stats in a WC, what matters are clutch performances which contribute to winning the WC.

Gilly has 3 World Cups, and no one will forget his 149 vs SL in 2007 WC FINAL.

Ponting has 2 WCs, 1 as captain, and again, no one will forget his 150 vs India in the 2003 FINAL.

Tendulkar? At best his WC 2003 innings vs Pakistan, which every Indian fan screams about, but was pointless anyway, as Ponting sent India packing home in 2003 final.
 
Bhaijaan said:
Like I said, you could have a 60 page arguement and still Sachin would have the greatest claim to being the ODI world cups batting GOAT unless someone from this generation eclipses him.
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He is the greatest just because a poster on this forum thinks he is.
Very very solid argument

And Dhoni is the greatest captain who won one t20 wc out of the 6 he captained.

World cricket is much more than India.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
yea right. India beat West Indies 3 out of 4 matches in a row with Richards including the final.
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That was more Windies arrogance. Ind were a very poor team, and the Windies treated them with contempt. Windies went into Ind in the winter and smashed them in the test series and from memory in the ODI series.
 
Technics 1210 said:
Nobody cares about averages and stats in a WC, what matters are clutch performances which contribute to winning the WC.

Gilly has 3 World Cups, and no one will forget his 149 vs SL in 2007 WC FINAL.

Ponting has 2 WCs, 1 as captain, and again, no one will forget his 150 vs India in the 2003 FINAL.

Tendulkar? At best his WC 2003 innings vs Pakistan, which every Indian fan screams about, but was pointless anyway, as Ponting sent India packing home in 2003 final.
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Ponting as also won 3 WC's
 
He has to be the GOAT in the first place!

Far away from it.

Viv
Ponting
Gilchrist
Dhoni
Miandad

These guys did it in World Cup finals. You ain’t getting ahead of any of them no matter what your stats are
 
Bewal Express said:
I watched the final. The Windies treated it like a practice game. Probably the arrogance of winning the 1st and a playing an average Ind team.
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That is just "coping mechanism" for those who failed to digest the win of India. They thrashed them by 43 runs not by like 1 run. Ricahrds team could not chase 262 in the preliminary round against India. Richards made only 17.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
That is just "coping mechanism" for those who failed to digest the win of India. They thrashed them by 43 runs not by like 1 run. Ricahrds team could not chase 262 in the preliminary round against India. Richards made only 17.
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He is the irony, I was very young and I didn't know about PK-Ind rivalry so I was just desperate for an Ind victory because the Windies seemed to be too good.
 
Bewal Express said:
He is the irony, I was very young and I didn't know about PK-Ind rivalry so I was just desperate for an Ind victory because the Windies seemed to be too good.
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One doesn't win a 60 over game by fluke. India had so many all rounders who helped put up a decent total. They fielded well. Bowled a tight nagging length. They thrashed ENgland and Australia in semi final and quarter final as well. They were in trouble against Zimbabwe in a must win match. Kapil delivered. So they had to produce a great number of good performance to get there in the first place. If a team depends on one batsman then that is not exactly a good team is it? They still had Holding, Garner et al.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Punter was playing for ATG Australian side. Once they all left same punter couldn't win anything in 2011.
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😂😂😂

Ponting didn't need to win anything more, he had won 3 WCs by 2011!

And make no mistake about it, Ponting wasn't a passenger on the ATG Aussie team the was you insinuate. Ponting was integral to the ATG Aussie team.

Ponting Captained Australia to a WC win, and he contributed memorable WC Final innings too. Tendulkar did neither, and had 6 shots at the WC.
 
Windies took it lightly - I didnt even pay attention to the match until towards the end - it was a foregone conclusion Windies would win it.

I only started paying attention when I saw the famous Indian headshake go in to overdrive towards the end.

Fair enough, well played India but the windies prob got bored of winning and just took it lightly
 
jnaveen1980 said:
One doesn't win a 60 over game by fluke. India had so many all rounders who helped put up a decent total. They fielded well. Bowled a tight nagging length. They thrashed ENgland and Australia in semi final and quarter final as well. They were in trouble against Zimbabwe in a must win match. Kapil delivered. So they had to produce a great number of good performance to get there in the first place. If a team depends on one batsman then that is not exactly a good team is it? They still had Holding, Garner et al.
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They were a poor team, that fluked a win because the Windies treated them with contempt. But it doesn't matter what i think, they won, and that can't be changed. So well done to Ind
 
Technics 1210 said:
😂😂😂

Ponting didn't need to win anything more, he had won 3 WCs by 2011!

And make no mistake about it, Ponting wasn't a passenger on the ATG Aussie team the was you insinuate. Ponting was integral to the ATG Aussie team.

Ponting Captained Australia to a WC win, and he contributed memorable WC Final innings too. Tendulkar did neither, and had 6 shots at the WC.
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Because he was part of the ATG side. They beat everyone in every format during that period with or without Punter. Are you seriously suggesting Asutralia depended on Punter? Not Mcgrath, Warne, Gilchrist. Warne literally won semi and final with his bowling alone. Bichel won 2 matches in 2003 world cup on spicy pitches. Andrew symonds won the game against Pakistan. They had about 10 match winners. You are trying desperately to use Punter as a tool to bring down Sachin :) So i am going to take your comments with a pinch of salt.
 
Bewal Express said:
They were a poor team, that fluked a win because the Windies treated them with contempt. But it doesn't matter what i think, they won, and that can't be changed. So well done to Ind
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Come on dude. You don't lose a match because you treat someone with "conetmpt". They pretty much treated everyone with contempt. Why didn't they lose to them?
 
Bewal Express said:
They were a poor team, that fluked a win because the Windies treated them with contempt. But it doesn't matter what i think, they won, and that can't be changed. So well done to Ind
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Ladbrokes had stopped offering 500 to 1 bets after the 1981 Miracle Test, but had that not happened then they would have easily offered the same odds on India beating WI in the 1983 final.

A win is a win though, and Dev was awarded Indian Player of the century in the late 90s over Tendulkar, and for good reason.
 
You never know, these types of talents burst onto the scene out of nowhere. It’s a blend of generational talent, timing, destiny.

Sachin came out nowhere. So did Kohli. So did Shobby Malik.

Is it possible? Yeah. Is it likely? Probably not, because he has his work cut out for him to surpass Sachin considering all the feats. But it can happen for sure.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Punter with that strike rate of 79? lol He had one good world cup.
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Pointing averages above 40 and sr of 84 against every side. He's only weak against Pakistan where he averages 36 and a SR of 79.

Also in that era, Sachin himself averaged a ove 40 and an 84 strike rate. Sachin started to increase that Sr and average post 2007.

2003 pointing is far superior to Sachin lol.

And 2011 pointing was a has been.

I'm not disrespecting Sachin BTW, the quality of Sachin is that unlike most players who got worse over time due to age and became shallow had beens of rhein former selves, Sachin improved year by year and became better with age, with his peak ironically being post 2007 when India dominated under Dhoni, even in 2012 Asia cup he was smacking pakistan like no tmr, his 200 score also came post 2007.

Sachin is superior to pointing I am not denying that.

But 1996 to 2007 pointing > Sachin.

Post 2007 Sachin > Prime pointing though.

As I said, pointing was a beast in 2003 final against India whereas India vanished.

Don't disrespecting pointing by calling him Punther, that is extremely rude and disrepectful. You're a normie while pointing won multiple cups for his country and he was the top player of that ATG side you mentioned, you're acting as if he had an atg side and he himself was the only bystander.

Have the same respect for pointing and what he achieved the same way you have respect for Sachin. Don't comment nonsense to me again.
 
Suleiman said:
You never know, these types of talents burst onto the scene out of nowhere. It’s a blend of generational talent, timing, destiny.

Sachin came out nowhere. So did Kohli. So did Shobby Malik.

Is it possible? Yeah. Is it likely? Probably not, because he has his work cut out for him to surpass Sachin considering all the feats. But it can happen for sure.
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Landscape has changed. Rules are relaxed. Two new balls. power play roles which literally take spinners out of the equation. 2019 world cup was a clear indicator where they rendered spinners useless. Rashid khan thrashed for 10 sixes in one innings. It is much easier to replicate by someone who is the only batsman to score runs for his team. Definitely you won't find anyone from England as they collectively hunt. Even Rohit sharma who loves taking deep and going after big scores like 200s is not wasting time on that. He has altered hsi approach. He is focusing more on strike rate.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Because he was part of the ATG side. They beat everyone in every format during that period with or without Punter. Are you seriously suggesting Asutralia depended on Punter? Not Mcgrath, Warne, Gilchrist. Warne literally won semi and final with his bowling alone. Bichel won 2 matches in 2003 world cup on spicy pitches. Andrew symonds won the game against Pakistan. They had about 10 match winners. You are trying desperately to use Punter as a tool to bring down Sachin :) So i am going to take your comments with a pinch of salt.
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I am saying Ponting was not a passenger in the ATG squad the way you are making him out to be. His contributions in the WCs (and outside) helped make that ATG Aussie team.

Ponting literally won the World Cup 2003 Final on his own, and Captained Australia to a 2007 WC win too.

I don't need to bring down Tendulkar, your logic is doing this own its own. On one had you do not consider Ponting to be a WC GOAT contender, despite his clutch innings and captaincy, and 3 WCs, but you want us all to accept Tendulkar is the WC GOAT even though he never performed in a WC final, had 6 shots at the WC, and in the end relied on his team in 2011? If anything, Tendulkar was the WC passenger.

So weak is your argument you have to resort to batting averages just to bolster Tendulkar's WC failures!
 
mominsaigol said:
Pointing averages above 40 and sr of 84 against every side. He's only weak against Pakistan where he averages 36 and a SR of 79.

Also in that era, Sachin himself averaged a ove 40 and an 84 strike rate. Sachin started to increase that Sr and average post 2007.

2003 pointing is far superior to Sachin lol.

And 2011 pointing was a has been.

I'm not disrespecting Sachin BTW, the quality of Sachin is that unlike most players who got worse over time due to age and became shallow had beens of rhein former selves, Sachin improved year by year and became better with age, with his peak ironically being post 2007 when India dominated under Dhoni, even in 2012 Asia cup he was smacking pakistan like no tmr, his 200 score also came post 2007.

Sachin is superior to pointing I am not denying that.

But 1996 to 2007 pointing > Sachin.

Post 2007 Sachin > Prime pointing though.

As I said, pointing was a beast in 2003 final against India whereas India vanished.

Don't disrespecting pointing by calling him Punther, that is extremely rude and disrepectful. You're a normie while pointing won multiple cups for his country and he was the top player of that ATG side you mentioned, you're acting as if he had an atg side and he himself was the only bystander.

Have the same respect for pointing and what he achieved the same way you have respect for Sachin. Don't comment nonsense to me again.
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2003 final who was not beast? It was an absolute road. India wrongly chose to field and got canned. Martyn, Gilchrist. Later on Even Sehwag was bullying them. India reached 240 in 39 overs and got bowled out. Back in those days nobody had clue about how to chase a 360 total. India becamse chasing team only after MSD. In the same world cup. on a spicy track against shane bond Australia was 87/7. Then against England also he failed on a ps icy track.
 
Technics 1210 said:
I am saying Ponting was not a passenger in the ATG squad the way you are making him out to be. His contributions in the WCs (and outside) helped make that ATG Aussie team.

Ponting literally won the World Cup 2003 Final on his own, and Captained Australia to a 2007 WC win too.

I don't need to bring down Tendulkar, your logic is doing this own its own. On one had you do not consider Ponting to be a WC GOAT contender, despite his clutch innings and captaincy, and 3 WCs, but you want us all to accept Tendulkar is the WC GOAT even though he never performed in a WC final, had 6 shots at the WC, and in the end relied on his team in 2011? If anything, Tendulkar was the WC passenger.

So weak is your argument you have to resort to batting averages just to bolster Tendulkar's WC failures!
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Amla, Jonathan Trott, Punter - Pseudo heroes :)
 
Technics 1210 said:
Ladbrokes had stopped offering 500 to 1 bets after the 1981 Miracle Test, but had that not happened then they would have easily offered the same odds on India beating WI in the 1983 final.

A win is a win though, and Dev was awarded Indian Player of the century in the late 90s over Tendulkar, and for good reason.
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I remember watching it and Viv seemed to treat it as a net.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
2003 final who was not beast? It was an absolute road. India wrongly chose to field and got canned. Martyn, Gilchrist. Later on Even Sehwag was bullying them. India reached 240 in 39 overs and got bowled out. Back in those days nobody had clue about how to chase a 360 total. India becamse chasing team only after MSD. In the same world cup. on a spicy track against shane bond Australia was 87/7. Then against England also he failed on a ps icy track.
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Brother I do not care about your hypocritical arguments. Pointing wasn't a passenger in an ATG side. He was considered their best batsmen in the ATG side.

Pointing single handedly dismantled India also no, Mcgrath was bowling well, everyone that day was bowling well, your whole argument is falling apart.

You're saying someone like sehwag was bullying Australia on a flat track but a supposed god of cricket couldn't do anything on that same track?

Nonsense logic. I love Tendulkar, he's a goat player, but Pointing is a superior player when it comes to tournaments. You're comparing 2011 Pointing who was at the end of his rope lol.

Sachin despite being a goat player never won a single tournament for his country, he was a world cup chocker which sadly was his only weakness and to this day delusional fans try to undermine Tendulkar by making argument such as he only played for himself or was a stat padder solely because of his WC tournament chocking curse.

He was a great player but in tournaments he struggled. Even against Pakistan, he got dropped 7x and still didn't end up contributing as much as he should have. India got lucky that 2011 Pakistan batting is brain dead and can't chase anything over 240.

In the final Sachin didn't do anything either.

Ironically Dhoni is a superior world cup player then Sachin is lol, Tournaments ain't his strong suit.
 
At the end of the day only Indians refer to Tendulkar as a God. Does anyone really think God needs the help of 10 players to win a WC, that too 6 times?

Tendulkar was not, is not, and will never be a God of anything, let alone a GOAT.
 
Among all the batters to have scored 1000 runs in World Cup,

AB de Villiers has by far the best average(65) and best strike rate(117) for any batsman in a 50-over format. He has performed vs ATG Aussies side(2007), ATG Indian side(2011) and in World Cup semi final(2015 NZ).

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Suleiman said:
You never know, these types of talents burst onto the scene out of nowhere. It’s a blend of generational talent, timing, destiny.

Sachin came out nowhere. So did Kohli. So did Shobby Malik.

Is it possible? Yeah. Is it likely? Probably not, because he has his work cut out for him to surpass Sachin considering all the feats. But it can happen for sure.
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Sachin didn’t just come out of nowhere. He hit the 1st class cricket scene as a 14 year old and everyone knew he was special and that he was going to play for Bharat one day.

Nobody knew he would retire the greatest. His story is one of a child prodigy that justified all the hype and exceeded the expectations.
 
mominsaigol said:
Brother I do not care about your hypocritical arguments. Pointing wasn't a passenger in an ATG side. He was considered their best batsmen in the ATG side.

Pointing single handedly dismantled India also no, Mcgrath was bowling well, everyone that day was bowling well, your whole argument is falling apart.

You're saying someone like sehwag was bullying Australia on a flat track but a supposed god of cricket couldn't do anything on that same track?

Nonsense logic. I love Tendulkar, he's a goat player, but Pointing is a superior player when it comes to tournaments. You're comparing 2011 Pointing who was at the end of his rope lol.

Sachin despite being a goat player never won a single tournament for his country, he was a world cup chocker which sadly was his only weakness and to this day delusional fans try to undermine Tendulkar by making argument such as he only played for himself or was a stat padder solely because of his WC tournament chocking curse.

He was a great player but in tournaments he struggled. Even against Pakistan, he got dropped 7x and still didn't end up contributing as much as he should have. India got lucky that 2011 Pakistan batting is brain dead and can't chase anything over 240.

In the final Sachin didn't do anything either.

Ironically Dhoni is a superior world cup player then Sachin is lol, Tournaments ain't his strong suit.
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He didn't "singlehandedly" destroy. Everyone had their time out against insipid bowling. There is something called shot selection. That can go awry even for great playres while chasing a massive total. No team could think about chasing 350 those days especially against an elite bowling unit like Australia's. Good batsmen can fail on flat pitch too. Nothing new. Punter's team did not win anything outside their golden era. Punter took part in 5 world cups. Did not win 2 world cups. Won 3 world cups. This habit of attributing a team win to one indivdiual knowing well he was not the only reason they even got to final is quiet common.
 
Technics 1210 said:
At the end of the day only Indians refer to Tendulkar as a God. Does anyone really think God needs the help of 10 players to win a WC, that too 6 times?

Tendulkar was not, is not, and will never be a God of anything, let alone a GOAT.
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I am not really a hardcore Sachin fan :) But just pointing out this stat twisting by some to put everyone else on pedestal. Trivializing their 2000 plus runs across 6 world cups just using 2 matches. lol Going by taht Punter > Richards too. Mcgrath >>>> Wasim Akram
 
Ab Fan said:
Among all the batters to have scored 1000 runs in World Cup,

AB de Villiers has by far the best average(65) and best strike rate(117) for any batsman in a 50-over format. He has performed vs ATG Aussies side(2007), ATG Indian side(2011) and in World Cup semi final(2015 NZ).

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Damien Martyn > AbDV using bizzarro logic :)
 
jnaveen1980 said:
He didn't "singlehandedly" destroy. Everyone had their time out against insipid bowling. There is something called shot selection. That can go awry even for great playres while chasing a massive total. No team could think about chasing 350 those days especially against an elite bowling unit like Australia's. Good batsmen can fail on flat pitch too. Nothing new. Punter's team did not win anything outside their golden era. Punter took part in 5 world cups. Did not win 2 world cups. Won 3 world cups. This habit of attributing a team win to one indivdiual knowing well he was not the only reason they even got to final is quiet common.
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What kind of logic is that? How many cups has India won? 😂, only 1 with Tendulkar present. The previous one Tendulkar wasn't even around lol.

Pointing is the only person to have 3 cups under his belt lol.

I never said pointing is the person who single handedly took the team to the final, even Tendulkar can't do that, he did si goe handedly destroy India though with 150.

And that's exactly what made Australia so strong, they were scoring 350 score, even a 400 at one point when 250 was the norm in that era, making them unbeatable.

Also what even are you talking about, that golden era lasted 11 years. 😂😂😂. It's more then a decade. Remind me how many cups Tendulkar has won?

Actually I just realised with the whole punther punther stuff, you're defo an Internet troll so I won't bother. You're the type who wants triggered reactions 😂😂. Get a life bro.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
I am not really a hardcore Sachin fan :) But just pointing out this stat twisting by some to put everyone else on pedestal. Trivializing their 2000 plus runs across 6 world cups just using 2 matches. lol Going by taht Punter > Richards too. Mcgrath >>>> Wasim Akram
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The only ones stat twisting are the one's defending Tendulkar's WC legacy by quoting his Runs/Averages/SRs.

In the end, stats do not matter in a WC, match winning performances leading to WC win is what matters.

2000+ WC runs? You are doing it again, if Ponting or Viv played 6 WCs, then Tendulkar's WC run tally would be dust; then again, Ponting and Viv have won 5 WCs between them so they never had to chase a dream spanning 24 years.
 
Technics 1210 said:
At the end of the day only Indians refer to Tendulkar as a God. Does anyone really think God needs the help of 10 players to win a WC, that too 6 times?

Tendulkar was not, is not, and will never be a God of anything, let alone a GOAT.
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Naw, the whole world calls him the God of cricket as they rightfully should. He's a goat player and easily the top 3 players from the 1990's to 2007 era and defo top 1 post 2007 till his retirement.

Tendulkar never had a bad patch nor did he ever become a hasbeen.

Most players like sohaib Akhtar, Jack kallis, pointing, Saeed Anwar wtc, it became clear that at the end of their careers, they just weren't the same anymore.

That wasn't the case with Tendulkar, the guy actually got better with age and his peak is at the back end of his career.

He's a goat, you're just hating for no reason. His only weakness Is world cup chocking though, which seems to be the case for India unless their led by Dhoni.
 
Technics 1210 said:
The only ones stat twisting are the one's defending Tendulkar's WC legacy by quoting his Runs/Averages/SRs.

In the end, stats do not matter in a WC, match winning performances leading to WC win is what matters.

2000+ WC runs? You are doing it again, if Ponting or Viv played 6 WCs, then Tendulkar's WC run tally would be dust; then again, Ponting and Viv have won 5 WCs between them so they never had to chase a dream spanning 24 years.
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Ponting did not play singles world cup. Come back with better response. He was part of a 11.
 
mominsaigol said:
What kind of logic is that? How many cups has India won? 😂, only 1 with Tendulkar present. The previous one Tendulkar wasn't even around lol.

Pointing is the only person to have 3 cups under his belt lol.

I never said pointing is the person who single handedly took the team to the final, even Tendulkar can't do that, he did si goe handedly destroy India though with 150.

And that's exactly what made Australia so strong, they were scoring 350 score, even a 400 at one point when 250 was the norm in that era, making them unbeatable.

Also what even are you talking about, that golden era lasted 11 years. 😂😂😂. It's more then a decade. Remind me how many cups Tendulkar has won?

Actually I just realised with the whole punther punther stuff, you're defo an Internet troll so I won't bother. You're the type who wants triggered reactions 😂😂. Get a life bro.
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Yashpal sharma has won a world cup. ABDV hasn't won. So Yashpal > ABDV lol
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Ponting did not play singles world cup. Come back with better response. He was part of a 11
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Getting touchy now are we? You are a hardcore Tendulkar fan.

Facts do not care about feelings.

I am not sure which posts you are reading but I clearly stated that Ponting's contributions made the Aussie team an ATG - he was not a passenger unlike Tendulkar.

Come back when Tendulkar scores a match winning innings in a WC final, oh wait . . . .
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Yashpal sharma has won a world cup. ABDV hasn't won. So Yashpal > ABDV lol
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You're twisting the argument.

When did I say pointing is better then Sachin?

You can't read, I said Sachin is a superior batsmen, it doesn't change the fact that his biggest weakness throughout his nearly perfect career otherwise was that he's a trash tournament player.

Another thing I refuted from your brain dead argument was you saying pointing had an atg side to support him and helped him reach 350+ scores even though 70% of the time he's the one who got those 350 scores for his team and the world considered him the best batsmen in that atg side, which is impressive considering the batters he was batting with.
 
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Technics 1210 said:
Getting touchy now are we? You are a hardcore Tendulkar fan.

Facts do not care about feelings.

I am not sure which posts you are reading but I clearly stated that Ponting's contributions made the Aussie team an ATG - he was not a passenger unlike Tendulkar.

Come back when Tendulkar scores a match winning innings in a WC final, oh wait . . . .
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Passengers don't end up scoring the highest run getter of 2 world cups and 2nd highest run getter of 1 world cup. Played his part in almost all the world cups. Punter without his ATG unit was no better. Gambhir > Punter with that argument as Punter lost in 2011 in a face off against him.
 
mominsaigol said:
You're twisting the argument.

When did I say pointing is better then Sachin?

You can't read, I said Sachin is a superior batsmen, it doesn't change the fact that his biggest weakness throughout his nearly perfect career otherwise was that he's a trash tournament player.

Another thing I refuted from your brain dead argument was you saying pointing had an atg side to support him and helped him reach 350+ scores even though 70% of the time he's the one who got those 350 scores for his team and the world considered him the best batsmen in that atg side, which is impressive considering the batters he was batting with.

Don't strawman me, learn to read.
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It also doesn't change the fact that ABDV coudl nto take his side to final. But Yashpal could. So Yashpal > ABDV .
 
jnaveen1980 said:
It also doesn't change the fact that ABDV coudl nto take his side to final. But Yashpal could. So Yashpal > ABDV .
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I have a genuine question. Why do Internet trolls such as yourself even troll? Like what Do you even get out of it?

Max you'll make someone mad for a few seconds and then the person will forget someone like you even exists, they'll live their life while you'll be stuck chronologically online begging for attention.

Doesn't make sense. But khair, you do you broskie.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Passengers don't end up scoring the highest run getter of 2 world cups and 2nd highest run getter of 1 world cup. Played his part in almost all the world cups. Punter without his ATG unit was no better. Gambhir > Punter with that argument as Punter lost in 2011 in a face off against him.
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Your logic is so twisted.

Highest run getter in a WC is meaningless if the runs do not result in a WC tournament win.

Ask Tendulkar if he would swap his WC player of the tournament medals for actual WC trophies. Yup you guessed it, he would.
 
Why is ABDV even getting a mention? This is they guy who retied from the WC, then begged to play in another WC, got blanked, and came out with the monstrosity of a statement claiming the IPL is bigger and better than the WC!
 
Technics 1210 said:
Your logic is so twisted.

Highest run getter in a WC is meaningless if the runs do not result in a WC tournament win.

Ask Tendulkar if he would swap his WC player of the tournament medals for actual WC trophies. Yup you guessed it, he would.
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He was part of the world cup win. But when you say "world cup" performance you have to take every single match into account. YOu cannot selectively use only final as your criteria. This topic is about world cup batter. Not world cup final batter. That filter you arbitrarily used. If you want to discuss about it probably deserves another topic.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
He was part of the world cup win. But when you say "world cup" performance you have to take every single match into account. YOu cannot selectively use only final as your criteria. This topic is about world cup batter. Not world cup final batter. That filter you arbitrarily used. If you want to discuss about it probably deserves another topic.
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World Cup batters like Tendulkar accumulated 2000+ runs spanning 6 World Cups, his runs failed to win the WC 5 times, and ONLY his 2011 WC runs contributed to a WC win. 1 WC out of 6 attempts.

Ponting played in 5 World Cups, contributed with the bat, with the captaincy, and a WC final knock and won the WC THREE times. 3 WCs out of 5 attempts

There is no comparison, and I did not even solely compare on WC Final knocks.
 
Technics 1210 said:
World Cup batters like Tendulkar accumulated 2000+ runs spanning 6 World Cups, his runs failed to win the WC 5 times, and ONLY his 2011 WC runs contributed to a WC win. 1 WC out of 6 attempts.

Ponting played in 5 World Cups, contributed with the bat, with the captaincy, and a WC final knock and won the WC THREE times. 3 WCs out of 5 attempts

There is no comparison, and I did not even solely compare on WC Final knocks.
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Once again you cannot attribute world cup win to individual despite winning just 3 man of the matches in 5 world cups. when Mcgrath won 6 of them. You keep saying only 5 world cups. For t he record Punter has played more world cup matches than Sachin. 46 of them. Sachin has played only 45.

Sachin 2278 runs in 45
Punter 1743 in 46

Hence filter is needed :)
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Once again you cannot attribute world cup win to individual despite winning just 3 man of the matches in 5 world cups. when Mcgrath won 6 of them. You keep saying only 5 world cups. For t he record Punter has played more world cup matches than Sachin. 46 of them. Sachin has played only 45.

Sachin 2278 runs in 45
Punter 1743 in 46

Hence filter is needed :)
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Tendulkar WC runs tally includes these memorable WC centuries (contributing to roughly 18% of his WC runs)

127* vs Kenya
140* vs Kenya
152 vs Namibia

6 WC centuries, and 3 of them courtesy of Associate/Minnow bashing - yielding 1 WC.



Ponting on the other hand, has only 1 minnow century in his WC run tally (contributing to roughly 7% of his WC runs)

113 vs Scotland

5 WC centuries, and 1 of them courtesy of Associate/Minnow bashing - yielding 3 WCs.


Sachin 2278 runs in 45
Ponting 1743 in 46

Ponting scored way more quality and meaningful runs.


To sumarise your logic:

If Ponting bats in 5 WCs, and wins 3 WCs, and scores 1 minnow century in his WC career, then he is a passenger.

If Tendulkar bats in 6 WCs, and wins 1 WC, and scores 3 minnows centuries in his WC career, then he is the pilot of GOAT airlines.

Utterly laughable, there is no comparison.

Have a good night!
 
I used that filter too. Even there Sachin has more runs against big teams.. Punter being part of a great side and coming after Haydos/Gilchrist is such a massive advantage. You probably don't think through that. Anyway Good night.
 
The bowling attack against which Ponting scored his runs in 2003 World Cup final was just marginally better than the West Indian bowling attack of 2015 World Cup.

Ponting came to bat after the platform was laid on a flat belter and the run rate was around 9-10 already. It was very much the same level of knock like ABD's in Windies except that the destruction that Windies suffered was at another level to what Indian bowler suffered.

As for winning the World Cup is concerned, Ponting was lucky that he had to run between the wickets alongside Damien Martyn and Adam Gilchrist etc and not Faf du Plessis who would think he and ABD are some kind of Usain Bolt that they will run a single which isn't even available to begin with.
 
The same Indian bowling attack in 2003 WC helped India get to the final.

Same old same old, the quality of the opposition used to undermine an incredible innings, that too in the WC Final.

And no, when Ponting arrived at the crease in the 2003 final the RR was not 9/10 runs an over, it was around 7.
 
This is an easy one for me. Kohli has already surpassed all Indian greats.
 
www.espncricinfo.com

AUS vs IND Cricket Scorecard, Final at Johannesburg, March 23, 2003

Live Cricket Scoreboard: Get Australia vs India Final, cricket scorecard, ICC World Cup 2002/03 dated March 23, 2003.
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Mathematics would have been easier if we were allowed to divide 105/14 and get a value of 7 instead of 7.5 in school. Just look at the fifth bowlers in that attack, are Tendulkar, Sehwag and Mongia even all rounders by any stretch?

In contrast, look at SA vs WI, 2015 World Cup match.

Cricket scorecard - South Africa vs West Indies, 19th Match, Pool B, ICC Cricket World Cup 2015

Catch live and fully detailed scorecard of South Africa vs West Indies, 19th Match, Pool B, Fri, Feb 27, ICC Cricket World Cup 2015 on Cricbuzz
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SA were 146/3 after 29 overs when the experienced Amla got out and de Villiers came to crease as the game was in puzzled state. Run rate around 5.0. A wicket more and whole team could have been bundled out at 225. How is this even a comparison in terms of who got the best platform to create havoc on the bowling?
 
Tendulkar was the best batsmen of his generation.

He was a run machine.

However, players like Gilchrist, Ponting and Warne were simply more impactful.

In statistics, no one can match Tendulkar.

In no particular order since I started watching cricket these are the batsmen who changed World Cups.

WArne
Mcgrath
Wasim
Jayasuriya
Steve Waugh
Ponting
Gilchrist
Lance klusener
Andy Bichel
Mahendra Singh Dhoni
Yuvraj singh

I like Tendulkar.

I would want to watch him bat each and every time.

But if there is World Cup on the line, no one can say with a straight face they would rather Tendulkar open than prime Jaya or Gilchrist.
 
Ab Fan said:
Mathematics would have been easier if we were allowed to divide 105/14 and get a value of 7 instead of 7.5 in school.
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Says the guy who said the RR was around 9 or 10. :LOL:

And I did say around 7, so English may have been easier for you too.

You too can have a good night, cos ABDV is not even a foot note in WCs.
 
Technics 1210 said:
Says the guy who said the RR was around 9 or 10. :LOL:

And I did say around 7, so English may have been easier for you too.

You too can have a good night, cos ABDV is not even a foot note in WCs.
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Case-1 :- A RR starting 7.5 ended at 7.2 after 50 overs inspite of no other fall of wicket.359/2

Case-2 :- A RR starting 5.0 ended at 8.2 after 50 overs inspite of 2 more wickets falling after that.

In other thread, I already got confidence of vote that ABDV is one of the greatest ODI bat of all-time especially in ODI World Cup where he averages an absolutely astonishing 65 at a strike rate of heartwrenching 117 with over 12000 runs to his name.

Good Night!
 
Ab Fan said:
In other thread, I already got confidence of vote that ABDV is one of the greatest ODI bat of all-time especially in ODI World Cup where he averages an absolutely astonishing 65 at a strike rate of heartwrenching 117 with over 12000 runs to his name.
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Nice of you to throw in the 12000 runs to his name when we are talking about WC runs.

Anything to boost a narrative I guess.

Sweet dreams.
 
Technics 1210 said:
That's a lot of word salad, nice of you to throw in the 12000 runs to his name when we are talking about WC runs.

Anything to boost a narrative I guess.

Sweet dreams.
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Edit, 1200 runs, not less by any means. Don't know how I added one extra 0, maybe symptoms of being awake late night. However, rest of all the statements are all facts, nobody has as good an average and as good a strike rate with a decent sample in ODI World Cup like the great Mr.360 has. :)
 
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