Could the ICC World Cup 2019 clash be the first competitive Pakistan vs India game in a long time?

[Humza_Razzaque]

For the first time our batting looks completely balanced with fakhar at top we get aggression in imam we get stability and in babar we get those ones and 2s and those classy strokes so for the 1st time i feel we are not going to see a one sided encounter and as wierd as it feel saying this i believe its going to be free scoring game expecting 600 plus runs or slightly less maybe making my judgement based around the fact that we have scored 300+ more times in last half a year than probably couple of years before , bowling clicked in the last game hoping they would carry momentum coming into this match
I think if you look at it the base of batting of both the sides is their toporder not comparing the top order just stating the similarity which is top order for both of the teams have been doing the heavy work than the likes of Pandya, and Asif comein and attack at the later part of the innings
My Take bowling would struggle on both ends maybe a few good overs from both sides but overall it will come down to batsmans to do the job

 

[aqeelPK]

It has always been a 70/30 match & still is. Its amazing how both teams had transformed in last 3-4 years. Pakistan's strengths became India's & vice versa. India's main strength will be their wicket taking bowlers & hard hitting lower middle order, meanwhile we are relying heavily on top 3 batsmen. But this shift has not changed overall chances. It is still 70/30 game in favor of India.

 

[Humza_Razzaque]

It has always been a 70/30 match & still is. Its amazing how both teams had transformed in last 3-4 years. Pakistan's strengths became India's & vice versa. India's main strength will be their wicket taking bowlers & hard hitting lower middle order, meanwhile we are relying heavily on top 3 batsmen. But this shift has not changed overall chances. It is still 70/30 game in favor of India.

I agree, It feels the change has come all of a sudden probably not in indias case, you could see them getting better at bowling gradually but for Pakistans case i think Its the Sa tour that completely change the complexion of this batting side still we are heavily depended on the top order and are kind of likely to collapse once they fail the WI match kinda proved it

 

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

I don't see it tbh. Don't think Pakistan's batting can match up to India's bowling and Babar Azam has never done well against India. Their batting looks meek and their bowling isn't in amazing form so unless they get the top 3 out early, I don't see it being competitive.

 

[Humza_Razzaque]

I don't see it tbh. Don't think Pakistan's batting can match up to India's bowling and Babar Azam has never done well against India. Their batting looks meek and their bowling isn't in amazing form so unless they get the top 3 out early, I don't see it being competitive.

These are batting pitches and its not like Indian bowling is unplayable, Pakistan has managed to bat well against Eng in their home conditions
Besides given these are flat pitches i do believe hitting is going to be easier take the CT 17 final for example the pitches in england at that time did offer a bit of help for the seamers compared to now there is hardly any movement so if its going to be easier than it was back than, i would atleast hope that they would put in a decent performance
And Babar this year has finally come out of his shell i am not saying he has transformed and taken himself to another level but he is looking even more consistant and his strike rate has been better comparitively and so has been our top order
In my opinion its going to be a blast if rain doesnt spoil it

 

[Mamoon]

If India play their best cricket, Pakistan doesn’t stand a chance. Man to man, barring a couple of exceptions, they beat Pakistan to a pulp. It is expected though, India is ranked 2nd and we are ranked 6th.

Even without Dhawan, India start as heavy favorites. However, as saw against England, if Pakistan are at the top of their game and several key Indian players underperform, a win is not out of question.

 

[Captain caveman]

If India play their best cricket, Pakistan doesn’t stand a chance. Man to man, barring a couple of exceptions, they beat Pakistan to a pulp. It is expected though, India is ranked 2nd and we are ranked 6th.

Even without Dhawan, India start as heavy favorites. However, as saw against England, if Pakistan are at the top of their game and several key Indian players underperform, a win is not out of question.

Lame excuse to say india have to underperform and pak to overperform , for pak to beat india!
In sports, when a underdog beats a better team its not because the better team underperforms, but because they get battered by the overperforming team

e.g. joshua vs ruiz

 

[Shaddy86]

80-20 in India's favour. I have more hope in beating the Aussies tomorrow (if we get a game) than India on Sunday, and how often anyone would've said that in the past? I guess never. There's no pressure on India to win this game, they have nothing to prove against us, we're just another team not the arch rivals who gave them a run for their money in the past.

 

[Mamoon]

Lame excuse to say india have to underperform and pak to overperform , for pak to beat india!
In sports, when a underdog beats a better team its not because the better team underperforms, but because they get battered by the overperforming team

e.g. joshua vs ruiz

For a weaker team to beat a stronger team, simply performing well is not enough, because if both terms perform to their best capability, the stronger team will prevail.

For example, Pakistan beat England not just because the likes of Hafeez, Babar, Wahab, Amir and Shadab played well, but also because Roy, Bairstow, Morgan, Stokes and Archer underperformed.

If they would have played their best cricket, England wouldn’t have lost, regardless of the performance of our substandard bunch who are a major reason for our embarrassing ranking.

I have no love or appreciation for a team that is ranked 6th and has been getting smashed left right for two years.

I do not support and celebrate mediocrity, and I am not interested in the we are unpredictable and cornered tigers rubbish.

 

[Captain caveman]

80-20 in India's favour. I have more hope in beating the Aussies tomorrow (if we get a game) than India on Sunday, and how often anyone would've said that in the past? I guess never. There's no pressure on India to win this game, they have nothing to prove against us, we're just another team not the arch rivals who gave them a run for their money in the past.

60 - 40 more like in indias favour!

 

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

These are batting pitches and its not like Indian bowling is unplayable, Pakistan has managed to bat well against Eng in their home conditions

Yeah, but on these pitches I'd expect Indian batsmen to do a lot better against Pakistani bowlers than Pakistani batsmen would do against Indian bowlers. Fakhar, Babar, Imam etc. couldn't put up a competitive total while facing this bunch in the Asia Cup last year and India won by 9 wickets. If they can't score off Bumrah and Bhuvi in the initial overs then the spinners will put a stranglehold in the middle overs.

Anyway, Dhawan's injury changes things a lot now so Pakistan's chances have dramatically increased.

 

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

For the first time our batting looks completely balanced with fakhar at top we get aggression in imam we get stability and in babar we get those ones and 2s and those classy strokes so for the 1st time i feel we are not going to see a one sided encounter and as wierd as it feel saying this i believe its going to be free scoring game expecting 600 plus runs or slightly less maybe making my judgement based around the fact that we have scored 300+ more times in last half a year than probably couple of years before , bowling clicked in the last game hoping they would carry momentum coming into this match

You sure about that batting, mate?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

If India play their best cricket, Pakistan doesn’t stand a chance. Man to man, barring a couple of exceptions, they beat Pakistan to a pulp. It is expected though, India is ranked 2nd and we are ranked 6th.

Even without Dhawan, India start as heavy favorites. However, as saw against England, if Pakistan are at the top of their game and several key Indian players underperform, a win is not out of question.

You can say that about any team. Realistically if Pakistan end up with wins against England and India, the two best teams in the tournament, then they will deserve credit for it, you can't keep calling them flukes.

I don't know what you are worried about anyway, there is a big gulf between the sides, India will win comfortably. Pakistan batting is reliant on the top three, and even then Fakhar needs some luck to score big. India are miles better and will win comfortably.

 

[dhump]

more like India playing against minnows.​

 

[captain.hansolo]

more like India playing against minnows.​

not minnows but not exactly competitors either.

I rate pakistan above Afghanistan and Sri Lanka who are both bonafide minnows; but Pakistan is not at par with West Indies who are at the lower end of the competitive teams (WI, SA, AUS, IND, NZ, ENG in increasing order of strength).

 

[geraltofrivia]

not minnows but not exactly competitors either.

I rate pakistan above Afghanistan and Sri Lanka who are both bonafide minnows; but Pakistan is not at par with West Indies who are at the lower end of the competitive teams (WI, SA, AUS, IND, NZ, ENG in increasing order of strength).

lol at NZ ahead of Ind. Dikh raha hai bias.

 

[captain.hansolo]

lol at NZ ahead of Ind. Dikh raha hai bias.

we were rather comprehensively defeated in the warm up game. that is guiding my evaluation.

 

[AdamM97]

we were rather comprehensively defeated in the warm up game. that is guiding my evaluation.

So? New Zealand defeated India, is NZ better?

 

[geraltofrivia]

we were rather comprehensively defeated in the warm up game. that is guiding my evaluation.

we just defeated them 4-1 a few months ago. they are better only in a very specific configuration - bowling first on a green wicket with boult taking out the top order. any other configuration we win.

 

[nads_rocks]

Competitive or not, the winner will still be India no matter what happens how good we bat or how good we bowl. India always have that mental edge in World Cups where it matters.
Until we start taking games with a winning mentality go out there and win instead of making stupid comments to media about this player that player this team that team etc... we will never beat them or other top nations constantly.

 

[dhump]

not minnows but not exactly competitors either.

I rate pakistan above Afghanistan and Sri Lanka who are both bonafide minnows; but Pakistan is not at par with West Indies who are at the lower end of the competitive teams (WI, SA, AUS, IND, NZ, ENG in increasing order of strength).

Cant bat cant field got 1 good batsman and possibly 1 good bowler that is a minnow.

 

[ab041937]

we were rather comprehensively defeated in the warm up game. that is guiding my evaluation.

That was in a warm-up match which nobody bothers much about. India beat NZ 4-1 on their home grounds in January this year.

 

[Humza_Razzaque]

You sure about that batting, mate?

Yup, Still confident about that top order if it fires the 300 plus mark is allways on the cards if it doesnt then wellcome to good ol pakistani innings

 

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

Yup, Still confident about that top order if it fires the 300 plus mark is allways on the cards if it doesnt then wellcome to good ol pakistani innings

I guess it was the good ol' Pakistani innings then.