Cricket Australia and players reach agreement after month-long dispute [Post #245]

[Junaids]

The weakening of the position of the BCCI continues apace.

Today's Sydney Morning Herald reports that Australia's top five cricketers (Smith, Starc, Hazlewood, Warner and Cummins) have been offered multi-year Cricket Australia contracts which forbid participation in the IPL.

Source: http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket...ss-indian-premier-league-20170510-gw1j6x.html

Clearly Cricket Australia realises that an amicable settlement between the rest of the ICC and BCCI may not be possible, and is seeking to handcuff its best players out of reach of an expanded IPL.

Dave Warner is over 30 and would probably defect to IPL. But I'm fairly certain that the other four would not.

Full article as below

Cricket Australia has dangled multi-year contracts before the country's top handful of stars in an effort to convince them to forgo the riches of the Indian Premier League for the next three years.

Fairfax Media has learnt that Test captain Steve Smith, vice-captain David Warner and fast bowlers Mitchell Starc, Josh Hazlewood and Pat Cummins were contacted individually in recent weeks with verbal offers of three-year deals rather than standard one-year central contracts on the condition that they sit out the IPL.


http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket...ss-indian-premier-league-20170510-gw1j6x.html

Pat Howard, CA's newly re-signed executive general manager of team performance, made the approaches, which have come with the governing body and the Australian Cricketers' Association still in dispute over a new pay deal for players.

The offers were met with a lukewarm response from the players. The terms of the multi-year deals discussed informally with Howard were regarded by the players as underwhelming, with the only perceived incentive for them missing the IPL being the security of a three-year contract.

That could change after the CA board discussed at last Friday's meeting the introduction of financial compensation to wrest international players away from the IPL.

It would need to be significant to turn the heads of Australia's top-line stars from a looming windfall on the subcontinent. Smith and Warner, who captain their IPL franchises, collect more than $1 million a year for the Twenty20 tournament and their earning capacity there is set to rise sharply with a bumper new IPL broadcast deal tipped to see the event's player payment pool double.

Warner, for example, is arguably now the most valuable foreigner in the league, having led Sunrisers Hyderabad to the title last year and blasted his way to the top of this year's IPL run-scorer's list over the past six weeks.

The second-ranked player in CA's 2017-18 contract list behind Smith, the Australian opener's retainer with CA is estimated to be worth $2 million but he could conceivably earn as much as $10 million in the IPL alone over the next three years.

Starc, who left Royal Challengers Bangalore before this year's IPL to focus on the Champions Trophy in June in England, could also command upwards of $3 million a year from a new team under an inflated payment pool. England all-rounder Ben Stokes was bought for $2.8 million by Smith's Rising Pune Supergiants at auction this year.

With the memorandum of understanding between CA and players to expire on June 30 and no sign of a resolution on the horizon the approaches by Howard have been viewed suspiciously by the players' union.

CA is adamant, however, there is nothing sinister behind the strategy and that it is simply about ensuring players have a break during their leave period, which falls when the IPL is played in April and May, in the hope that Australia can minimise injuries and avoid the controversial resting of players elsewhere in the calendar such as Smith in Sri Lanka and Starc and Hazlewood in South Africa last year. The international schedule in 2019, which includes an Ashes series and a World Cup, is chiefly in mind for Howard in his efforts to ensure players have a proper off-season.

Meanwhile, sources close to the negotiations between CA and the ACA, which are due to resume on Friday, are doubtful that a new MOU will be signed before the end of June as both sides refuse to budge. It is a stand-off that could leave the game and hundreds of players, who are arguing for the retention of a percentage-of-revenue pay model, in limbo.

One area that shapes as an immediate flashpoint, with players on the verge of becoming free agents, is the use of their image rights. Australia host England in a Test series from November but unless there is a new agreement in place by June Australian players are likely to refuse to do any Ashes promotions in England during the Champions Trophy.

 

[Pollack]

Apart from Warner and Glen Maxwell no real loss to IPL really. Cummins,Smith,Hazzlewood,Coulter de Nile and other australians: None of them are crowd pullers. Starc is quite popular but he doesn't play much anyway. The other Australian all rounders are crap anyway and the only reason they play or get picked is because of Aussie support staff reference.

 

[London_Lahori]

So it's started, I'm sure BCCI made some threats behind closed doors and this will be the response from the boards it was aimed at.

 

[Varun]

Excellent.

Couldn't have happened soon enough.

Even if the IPL collapses and we play a 7-ODI series vs Lanka during that time I'm game for this.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Warner, Smith, Maxwell etc all get paid over $1m USD for 5-6 weeks work and partying. If the Australians compensate them for this by increasing their salaries at home then of course they'll skip the IPL. If not then it's going to leave the players in a bit of a dilemma.

 

[MenInG]

No way CA can offer more than what IPL offers?

 

[Cricfan4eva]

Meh. This is all talk. There is no way they will be able to compensate them. Australia has a strong players association and they wouldn't let something like this pass.

Also its not like Smith is a star in IPL.

Warner and Maxwell can be swayed if enough money is thrown.

 

[geraltofrivia]

No contract talks until MOU done - Starc

http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia/content/story/1097257.html

So much for BCCI's grip weakening

 

[Amirforpresident]

Meh. This is all talk. There is no way they will be able to compensate them. Australia has a strong players association and they wouldn't let something like this pass.

Also its not like Smith is a star in IPL.

Warner and Maxwell can be swayed if enough money is thrown.

Isnt he captain of Pune? The same team that also has Dhoni in it.

 

[Slog]

Apart from Warner and Glen Maxwell no real loss to IPL really. Cummins,Smith,Hazzlewood,Coulter de Nile and other australians: None of them are crowd pullers. Starc is quite popular but he doesn't play much anyway. The other Australian all rounders are crap anyway and the only reason they play or get picked is because of Aussie support staff reference.

huh? there can prolly be 2 sides of aussie players

guys like henriques, stoinis, lynn, marsh, tye, stanlake, faulkner dont even play for australia and play this league

delusional post

 

[Statsman]

Why shouldn't they?
BCCI has practically banned even its tier 3 players from playing in foreign leagues. Serves them right.

 

[Gilly]

Read the story, CA have not proposed a ban at all. This is poor reporting and just goes to show how stupid the media are.

The IPL is spreading cricket throughout the world and gives players from emerging countries the opportunity to earn good money, cricket will only grow with the expansion of the IPL, if IPL were to die or fizzle out it would set cricket back to the eighties.

 

[Junaids]

No contract talks until MOU done - Starc

http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia/content/story/1097257.html

So much for BCCI's grip weakening

There are two separate issues here.

One is the wider talks on one year contracts for all Australian domestic and international players.

But the more significant point in this is that Cricket Australia is looking to lock its top players out of the IPL.

They aren't agreeing at this stage, as the first issue isn't resolved. But CA's intentions are now out in the public domain.

The Big Three is over. This is one step short of open hostility.

 

[Slog]

Meh. This is all talk. There is no way they will be able to compensate them. Australia has a strong players association and they wouldn't let something like this pass.

Also its not like Smith is a star in IPL.

Warner and Maxwell can be swayed if enough money is thrown.

hes captain and if im not wrong among the higher paid

 

[Gilly]

There are two separate issues here.

One is the wider talks on one year contracts for all Australian domestic and international players.

But the more significant point in this is that Cricket Australia is looking to lock its top players out of the IPL.

They aren't agreeing at this stage, as the first issue isn't resolved. But CA's intentions are now out in the public domain.

The Big Three is over. This is one step short of open hostility.

Wishful thinking on your part Junaids, CA intention is to keep the leadership group paid enough to enable them time to recouperate and the bowlers from playing too much. CA have a financial interest in the IPL and have no reason to undermine the competition. In fact the success of the IPL has paid dividends for CA and the players. The only hostility is from supporters that have an axe to grind against the BCCI and/or CA

 

[Cricfan4eva]

Isnt he captain of Pune? The same team that also has Dhoni in it.

He is. But Pune is going to be defunct next year.

What I meant was Smith isn't some star in IPL. Like crowds don't come in to watch him.

Pune is synonymous with MSD, infact fans hate on their franchise owner for unceremoniously sacking him and then bashing MSD on twitter.

hes captain and if im not wrong among the higher paid

Being captain doesn't make you popular or a star.

Stokes is the highest paid but if you asked who is the most popular A/R in IPL. It will be Pollard or Maxwell.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

Well there you have it.

No contract talks until MOU done - Starc - src

Mitchell Starc has confirmed Australia's top players are not prepared to contemplate the offer of multi-year contracts from Cricket Australia - in exchange for skipping the IPL - until a new pay deal is struck between the board and the Australian Cricketers' Association.

So I guess CA will have to pay Starc, Smith and those players money to sit at home which IPL offers. And honestly if they do, not sure if they will have won, it would be stupid

 

[Junaids]

Well there you have it.

No contract talks until MOU done - Starc - src



So I guess CA will have to pay Starc, Smith and those players money to sit at home which IPL offers. And honestly if they do, not sure if they will have won, it would be stupid

Yes and No.

This is where I disagree with [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION] and the general Asian interpretation.

It's not a straightforward bidding war. The top Aussie players are rich anyway.

If Cricket Australia offers $2.5 million and international cricket, the offer is so high that it cannot be outbid with $2.6 million to live and play in India and be excluded from international cricket.

I would apply the following guesses for Australian players aged under-30.

CA offers $2.5 million + international cricket: IPL would need to offer at least $8 million to get the player.

CA $3 million: IPL would need to bid $10 million.

CA offers $5 million: IPL cannot get the player for any price less than a crazy sum - probably $50 million per year.

 

[cr7great]

there are enough south africans and new zealand players

 

[Pollack]

huh? there can prolly be 2 sides of aussie players

guys like henriques, stoinis, lynn, marsh, tye, stanlake, faulkner dont even play for australia and play this league

delusional post

There are many Australians playing IPL .Who denies that? They are all not worth audience attention barring a few.
Smith, Henriques, Stoinis,Marsh,Stanlake, Faulkner are all indifferent to audience.They don't come to watch them. South Africans and Windies players on the other hand are much popular. All I am saying if CA doesn't allow Aussie players to play IPL its their players loss. IpL remains unaffected. We will easily replace those mediocre players with better or other mediocre players from domestics or other countries.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

Yes and No.

This is where I disagree with [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION] and the general Asian interpretation.

It's not a straightforward bidding war. The top Aussie players are rich anyway.

If Cricket Australia offers $2.5 million and international cricket, the offer is so high that it cannot be outbid with $2.6 million to live and play in India and be excluded from international cricket.

I would apply the following guesses for Australian players aged under-30.

CA offers $2.5 million + international cricket: IPL would need to offer at least $8 million to get the player.

CA $3 million: IPL would need to bid $10 million.

CA offers $5 million: IPL cannot get the player for any price less than a crazy sum - probably $50 million per year.

I agree with your point that its not about money but just as much as you think these players value international cricket they also might care about being part of one of the top t20 competitions around the world.

But yes if its international cricket vs IPL, and CA offer handsome raise then I guess Australian players will choose it over IPL but still they cant go all out an all players.

Starc didnt play this IPL season, Smith has been irrelevant until he became captain this season of a franchise that will be forever defunct once the season ends.

So 2 players, Warner who is 30ish and Maxwell who I guess isn't even a permanent fixture in the national side.

Yeah, nah... BCCI doesn't have much to worry in this case.

 

[Slog]

There are many Australians playing IPL .Who denies that? They are all not worth audience attention barring a few.
Smith, Henriques, Stoinis,Marsh,Stanlake, Faulkner are all indifferent to audience.They don't come to watch them. South Africans and Windies players on the other hand are much popular. All I am saying if CA doesn't allow Aussie players to play IPL its their players loss. IpL remains unaffected. We will easily replace those mediocre players with better or other mediocre players from domestics or other countries.

this is gold

 

[Pollack]

this is gold

Put counter argument. Don't run away. There is also myth about how BBL has better quality cricket. So far BBl stars have been flops in IPL. This same henrique guy who was a fair success in BBL is taken to cleaner by even our domestic batsman. His batting is also nothing special. Only Lynn has been exception after a long time finally someone. Tye been OK. Anyway its not even about performance. They are not crowd pullers barring few as I said and can be easily replaced. Trust me an Indian knows better about IPL than a Pakistani.

 

[Statsman]

There are many Australians playing IPL .Who denies that? They are all not worth audience attention barring a few.
Smith, Henriques, Stoinis,Marsh,Stanlake, Faulkner are all indifferent to audience.They don't come to watch them. South Africans and Windies players on the other hand are much popular. All I am saying if CA doesn't allow Aussie players to play IPL its their players loss. IpL remains unaffected. We will easily replace those mediocre players with better or other mediocre players from domestics or other countries.

I don't follow IPL closely so would be interested to know who these South African players are.

 

[Pollack]

I don't follow IPL closely so would be interested to know who these South African players are.

Ab devilliers, David Miller, Chris Morris, Imran Tahir, De Kock, Amla and Rabada(They made a mark this season).
Before you say some of them are out of form like Abdv and Miller and one not playing(de kock), it matters zilch because audience still flock to stadium to watch them. Its about playing entertaining cricket and catching audience's attention. SA and WI cricketers have been able to do that over the years in IPL while Australia not much.

 

[Junaids]

Put counter argument. Don't run away. There is also myth about how BBL has better quality cricket. So far BBl stars have been flops in IPL. This same henrique guy who was a fair success in BBL is taken to cleaner by even our domestic batsman. His batting is also nothing special. Only Lynn has been exception after a long time finally someone. Tye been OK. Anyway its not even about performance. They are not crowd pullers barring few as I said and can be easily replaced. Trust me an Indian knows better about IPL than a Pakistani.

With respect, I don't think anybody suggests that the BBL is as strong as the IPL.

I think you are missing the point.

The point is that Cricket Australia previously lined up behind the BCCI in the Big Three.

But - in my opinion - they recognise that the BCCI will have elements unhappy with the final ICC handout, who will seek to expand the IPL to cannibalise more of the global calendar - and they have already destroyed the West Indian international home season and England's May series.

And I think that Cricket Australia is looking to seal its star players into Golden Handcuffs which forbid them from playing IPL.

 

[Pollack]

With respect, I don't think anybody suggests that the BBL is as strong as the IPL.

I think you are missing the point.

The point is that Cricket Australia previously lined up behind the BCCI in the Big Three.

But - in my opinion - they recognise that the BCCI will have elements unhappy with the final ICC handout, who will seek to expand the IPL to cannibalise more of the global calendar - and they have already destroyed the West Indian international home season and England's May series.

And I think that Cricket Australia is looking to seal its star players into Golden Handcuffs which forbid them from playing IPL.

I agree with this. But even if they succeed unless SA and WI t20 specialists are available it wouldn't be that much of an impact on IPL and it can still think of expanding. But to be honest IPL is not expanding anytime soon regardless of steps taken by other boards.

 

[Junaids]

Ab devilliers, David Miller, Chris Morris, Imran Tahir, De Kock, Amla and Rabada(They made a mark this season).
Before you say some of them are out of form like Abdv and Miller and one not playing(de kock), it matters zilch because audience still flock to stadium to watch them. Its about playing entertaining cricket and catching audience's attention. SA and WI cricketers have been able to do that over the years in IPL while Australia not much.

And this is why the rest of the ICC is discussing the ICC centrally contracting the top twenty players from the likes of New Zealand and South Africa instead of their own boards.

Cricket South Africa only pays AB De Villiers $120,000 and everyone else earns even less. They are easy prey for a competing longer IPL.

But the money that the BCCI seeks from the ICC is its surplus - its profits.

If the ICC spent $8 million each on employing the top twenty players from the seven full members outside the Big Three, for a total investment of $56 million - around 2% of the ICC's profit - it could employ all key players from the seven non-Big Three players on average contracts of US$400,000.

And that would change everything.

 

[Slog]

Put counter argument. Don't run away. There is also myth about how BBL has better quality cricket. So far BBl stars have been flops in IPL. This same henrique guy who was a fair success in BBL is taken to cleaner by even our domestic batsman. His batting is also nothing special. Only Lynn has been exception after a long time finally someone. Tye been OK. Anyway its not even about performance. They are not crowd pullers barring few as I said and can be easily replaced. Trust me an Indian knows better about IPL than a Pakistani.

The crowds also come for quality of cricket

These second tier Australian players are of singificantly higher quality than your domestic players or players you will get from SA or elsewhere

The teams have almost 20 Aussie players for a reason. They perform.

IPL is not some 2-3 year old league anymore. Every player is there for a reason and because money-minded owners think they give them good return on investment

 

[Convict]

No way CA can offer more than what IPL offers?

CA already does pay them more than the IPL.

 

[Convict]

Meh. This is all talk. There is no way they will be able to compensate them. Australia has a strong players association and they wouldn't let something like this pass.

Also its not like Smith is a star in IPL.

Warner and Maxwell can be swayed if enough money is thrown.

The players association will be fine with it provided the players are duely financially compensated.

The dispute between the Australian players and CA has nothing to do with the IPL but with CA wanting to change the payment system from a fixed revenue going to players - which would lower the salaries of domestic players eg Sheffield Shield/Big Bash.

 

[JaDed]

How are they sure they ll able to afford it suddenly after Big 3 revenue change?

Nothing wrong in what they want though,Australia cannot continously keep producing players esp their bowlers cannot keep playing the whole season and be fit again and if they are compensated then good.

BCCI is becoming weak not because of other boards as such but by our own people.Idealism will always result in stupidity in third world countries,hopefully judiciary backs off before its too late.

 

[Pollack]

The crowds also come for quality of cricket

These second tier Australian players are of singificantly higher quality than your domestic players or players you will get from SA or elsewhere

The teams have almost 20 Aussie players for a reason. They perform.

IPL is not some 2-3 year old league anymore. Every player is there for a reason and because money-minded owners think they give them good return on investment

1)Many Aussie that play in IPL are mediocre. They lack quality

2) Even if second tier Aussies are better than our domestic players which I don't agree they are still easily replaceable by others.

3) The only reason many Aussies are playing in IPL is due to support staff, coach etc from their country rate them and earn them their selections.

4) Do you really believe Stoinis, Henriques, Faulkner, Tye, Travis head earn them money as compared to others? Like I said they are in the team due to some Aussie connection in the staff. They can easily be replaced by other better performance players from either domestics or other countries.

Anyway I don't think you would ever be convinced about this. You already made up your mind. Let's agree to disagree then.

 

[JaDed]

Aussies aren't as big crowd pullers as their previous generation but then that is probably true even when they play in national team.

The likes of Gilly,Hayden,Symmonds,Mcgrath,Warne,Hussey were obviously big compared to current ones but that also comes from the fact that Aussies aren't that great in T20 Cricket nowadays, Warner-Maxwell probably are exceptions.

South Africans,West Indians and even English players this season have been pretty good but still not captain material like some top level Aussies.

 

[Convict]

How are they sure they ll able to afford it suddenly after Big 3 revenue change?

Nothing wrong in what they want though,Australia cannot continously keep producing players esp their bowlers cannot keep playing the whole season and be fit again and if they are compensated then good.

BCCI is becoming weak not because of other boards as such but by our own people.Idealism will always result in stupidity in third world countries,hopefully judiciary backs off before its too late.

They can easily afford it.

The change in revenue for Australia is less than $10 million (because Australia didn't gain much revenue from the big 3).

 

[Convict]

1)Many Aussie that play in IPL are mediocre. They lack quality

2) Even if second tier Aussies are better than our domestic players which I don't agree they are still easily replaceable by others.

3) The only reason many Aussies are playing in IPL is due to support staff, coach etc from their country rate them and earn them their selections.

4) Do you really believe Stoinis, Henriques, Faulkner, Tye, Travis head earn them money as compared to others? Like I said they are in the team due to some Aussie connection in the staff. They can easily be replaced by other better performance players from either domestics or other countries.

Anyway I don't think you would ever be convinced about this. You already made up your mind. Let's agree to disagree then.

Its irrelevant anyway. The only proposed thing is picking key players (especially our injury prone star fast bowlers - Starc, Hazlewood and Cummins) and keeping them rested so they are fit for international commitments.

The second tier players are not going to be part of this because they are second tier and its not worth paying them to sit it out.

 

[Pollack]

Its irrelevant anyway. The only proposed thing is picking key players (especially our injury prone star fast bowlers - Starc, Hazlewood and Cummins) and keeping them rested so they are fit for international commitments.

The second tier players are not going to be part of this because they are second tier and its not worth paying them to sit it out.

And its perfectly fine. You get to keep your key players .The only point I put forward is IPL isn't much affected due to it since it can look the other way since even now key players of Australian don't play much in IPL.

 

[JaDed]

They can easily afford it.

The change in revenue for Australia is less than $10 million (because Australia didn't gain much revenue from the big 3).

They can afford it with fixed payments? Anyhow as your other post says its mostly for the bowlers makes sense , Cummins playing an entire IPL season probably keep the CA worried anyway.

 

[Convict]

And its perfectly fine. You get to keep your key players .The only point I put forward is IPL isn't much affected due to it since it can look the other way since even now key players of Australian don't play much in IPL.

Yeah. Its not an anti IPL thing its CA wanting to keep their main assets from playing for other teams in general - CA already has the power to pull them out of BBL and Sheffield Shield whenever.

They can afford it with fixed payments? Anyhow as your other post says its mostly for the bowlers makes sense , Cummins playing an entire IPL season probably keep the CA worried anyway.

It is supposedly 5 players - Smith, Warner, Starc, Hazlewood and Cummins.
Personally I'd replace Warner with Pattinson (who doesn't even have an IPL contract at the moment).

 

[princeuk]

Yeah. Its not an anti IPL thing its CA wanting to keep their main assets from playing for other teams in general - CA already has the power to pull them out of BBL and Sheffield Shield whenever.



It is supposedly 5 players - Smith, Warner, Starc, Hazlewood and Cummins.
Personally I'd replace Warner with Pattinson (who doesn't even have an IPL contract at the moment).

Yes Im sure its done done to maliciously damage anything its just to preserve the aussie players and ensure that they are fully fit and available for Australia whenever required at the same time earning good enough money for themselves.

 

[ShoonyaSifar]

Perfectly fine step. BCCI does not allow its players to play in other T20 leagues, can't expect other boards to give you access to their superstars. But it will only end up throwing up new T20 stars as IPL scouts will go search for foreign players.

As long as the Indian stars are there, whom among the foreign contingent turn up, does not matter much. IPL will continue to get bigger and better. Packed stadiums and record TRPs this year shows how strong the brand is becoming.

When the IPL broadcast rights get renewed, expect the value to go up by at least 60-70% over current value ($1 bn for 10 years)

 

[Thomaskutty]

But the more significant point in this is that Cricket Australia is looking to lock its top players out of the IPL.

BCCI would respond by easing the player salary cap. So someone like Smith and Warner who right now gets $1m from an IPL season will get close to $3-5m which CA can't compete with. That would be checkmate.

 

[Junaids]

BCCI would respond by easing the player salary cap. So someone like Smith and Warner who right now gets $1m from an IPL season will get close to $3-5m which CA can't compete with. That would be checkmate.

That would be nothing like checkmate.

Have you seen where Starc and Warner live?

They live like kings anyway. Even before the new CA contract round they earn $20,000 per week from CA, which buys a beachfront house in Sydney.

My guess is that for the Top Five players CA would go up to $60,000 per week - $3 million per year - and that for the Under 30's a counter-offer from India would not appeal unless it exceeded $10 million per year.

I reckon for the other 15 contracts which are currently $18,000 per week, CA would probably go up to $30,000 per week - that's $1.5 million per year. And even at that money, India wouldn't appeal for less than $5 million per year.

Money is attractive, but these men already earn twice as much as AFL and NRL footballers of similar stature.

Six months ago I was headhunted via LinkedIn for a very senior medical leadership job in a modern location in the Middle East. The money was triple what I earn in Australia, and tax free. I'd have banked at least five times as much money as I currently do and have had my kids' school fees paid.

And yet saying no was easy. I don't want to live or bring my kids up in such a country, I don't want to lose my final salary pension, which is almost priceless, and I have a fantastic life already where I live. And I'd have had virtually no job security.

The same factors would apply to Australian cricketers. They already live amazing lifestyles. India would need to at the very least triple their earnings for any established international aged under thirty to even consider giving up what they have to go to India.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Personally, if CA goes to the extent of doing this, we may start to see the fall of IPL. But BCCI will never let that happen. IPL is their treasure and like a prize. BCCI will do whatever it takes to keep the ship of IPL afloat. This is where Pakistan comes in. Every country is selfish and looks for its personal benefits. Nobody has any ego, self respect or honor as long as they're making big money.

CA withdrawing Aussie stars from the IPL will pave way for Pakistani cricketers to play in the IPL and the bans will be lifted. I can guarantee each and every single poster on PP that with Pakistani cricketers involved, IPL would be bigger than what it already is. And its not because Pakistani's are some great cricketers, heck, Pakistani cricketer's these days could compete Ireland and Zimbabwe for being the worst cricketers but they'd still make the most money and make IPL and even bigger tournament. Why? Because Pakistani's sell in India and vice versa. Ever wondered why Indian directors were so eager to cast Pakistani actors despite them not being great actors (Fawad Khan) because the movies would be instant hits.

Its like the Forbidden Fruit scenario, you want what you can't have. And the BCCI realizes this. They know that the IPL would be an even bigger affair if Pakistani's participated because even if they are average players, crowds will flock in just because of that person being a "Pakistani". There will be more betting, more sponsorship's, more adverts, everything.

So, even if Australia pull out their stars from the IPL, BCCI can always use their wild card of inducting Pakistan players to save the IPL. Whether they will or not is another debate..

 

[srh]

Excellent.

Couldn't have happened soon enough.

Even if the IPL collapses and we play a 7-ODI series vs Lanka during that time I'm game for this.

IPL collapsing will be great news for cricket

 

[Thomaskutty]

My guess is that for the Top Five players CA would go up to $60,000 per week - $3 million per year - and that for the Under 30's a counter-offer from India would not appeal unless it exceeded $10 million per year.

The same factors would apply to Australian cricketers. They already live amazing lifestyles. India would need to at the very least triple their earnings for any established international aged under thirty to even consider giving up what they have to go to India.

Clearly , the aussie players disagree with your conjecture because it says in the article that they are NOT impressed by this new offer.

Nobody is asking them to move to India btw and forego their aussie 'lifestyle' , which is what your post is based on. I said $5m for an IPL season , which comes down to a month and a half's work of playing cricket. Keep in mind this is US dollars , whereas all the figures you are quoting are probably in Aus dollars. So it's not exactly chump change as you suggest.

 

[Balthazar]

Finding 50-60 overseas players is not really a problem, even if they are uncaped players. I really don't mind if some of the top players take rest during the IPL season. What made this season so interesting is because of the new, young players.

 

[cr7great]

from next season top players like warner can get 30 crore indian money for plsying one season

 

[Convict]

Clearly , the aussie players disagree with your conjecture because it says in the article that they are NOT impressed by this new offer.

Nobody is asking them to move to India btw and forego their aussie 'lifestyle' , which is what your post is based on. I said $5m for an IPL season , which comes down to a month and a half's work of playing cricket. Keep in mind this is US dollars , whereas all the figures you are quoting are probably in Aus dollars. So it's not exactly chump change as you suggest.

You are misreading things - but I don't blame you [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] is peddling some delusional rubbish.

The issue the players have with CA in regards to contracts is that CA wants to change from the current situation (the players receive a set proportion of the revenue).

The players oppose that because they get less money if the change happens (the international players would not be worse off - the difference will be with domestic players).

This seprate proposal for skipping the IPL is not an anti IPL measure and solely aimed at a few key players to make sure they rest - eg the injury prone fast bowlers Starc, Hazlewood and Cummins.

 

[JaDed]

Personally, if CA goes to the extent of doing this, we may start to see the fall of IPL. But BCCI will never let that happen. IPL is their treasure and like a prize. BCCI will do whatever it takes to keep the ship of IPL afloat. This is where Pakistan comes in. Every country is selfish and looks for its personal benefits. Nobody has any ego, self respect or honor as long as they're making big money.

CA withdrawing Aussie stars from the IPL will pave way for Pakistani cricketers to play in the IPL and the bans will be lifted. I can guarantee each and every single poster on PP that with Pakistani cricketers involved, IPL would be bigger than what it already is. And its not because Pakistani's are some great cricketers, heck, Pakistani cricketer's these days could compete Ireland and Zimbabwe for being the worst cricketers but they'd still make the most money and make IPL and even bigger tournament. Why? Because Pakistani's sell in India and vice versa. Ever wondered why Indian directors were so eager to cast Pakistani actors despite them not being great actors (Fawad Khan) because the movies would be instant hits.

Its like the Forbidden Fruit scenario, you want what you can't have. And the BCCI realizes this. They know that the IPL would be an even bigger affair if Pakistani's participated because even if they are average players, crowds will flock in just because of that person being a "Pakistani". There will be more betting, more sponsorship's, more adverts, everything.

So, even if Australia pull out their stars from the IPL, BCCI can always use their wild card of inducting Pakistan players to save the IPL. Whether they will or not is another debate..

Indian directors eager to cast Pakistani actors because it would be instant hits is far from the truth if the box office collections are considered.

 

[Shutdown Corner]

Yes and No.

This is where I disagree with [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION] and the general Asian interpretation.

It's not a straightforward bidding war. The top Aussie players are rich anyway.

If Cricket Australia offers $2.5 million and international cricket, the offer is so high that it cannot be outbid with $2.6 million to live and play in India and be excluded from international cricket.

I would apply the following guesses for Australian players aged under-30.

CA offers $2.5 million + international cricket: IPL would need to offer at least $8 million to get the player.

CA $3 million: IPL would need to bid $10 million.

CA offers $5 million: IPL cannot get the player for any price less than a crazy sum - probably $50 million per year.

Sensible post. But I would think CA would need to offer much closer to what IPL does, and still IPL could outbid the players. Not to mention IPL is only 8 weeks of work vs intl cricket which is basically year round.

CSA is offering QDK and Rabada 2 year deals to keep them away from Kolpak. So it makes snese for ECB and CA to do something similar.

 

[CricketAnalyst]

Clearly , the aussie players disagree with your conjecture because it says in the article that they are NOT impressed by this new offer.

Nobody is asking them to move to India btw and forego their aussie 'lifestyle' , which is what your post is based on. I said $5m for an IPL season , which comes down to a month and a half's work of playing cricket. Keep in mind this is US dollars , whereas all the figures you are quoting are probably in Aus dollars. So it's not exactly chump change as you suggest.

Seriously, even if we expand IPL and make it 5 months, that's as much time as they spend on tour anyway, so it's absolutely no difference to their life-styles whatsoever and India isn't the middle-east. For rich people, life is about as good as it gets here.

I'm also skeptical to what extent millions of dollars don't matter to people. We've seen enough footballers literally end their careers to go to China because of insane wages. This isn't really a life-style downgrade at all.

Not at all surprised that Starc and Co are not impressed by some peanuts thrown their way.

 

[Shutdown Corner]

Seriously, even if we expand IPL and make it 5 months, that's as much time as they spend on tour anyway, so it's absolutely no difference to their life-styles whatsoever and India isn't the middle-east. For rich people, life is about as good as it gets here.

I'm also skeptical to what extent millions of dollars don't matter to people. We've seen enough footballers literally end their careers to go to China because of insane wages. This isn't really a life-style downgrade at all.

Not at all surprised that Starc and Co are not impressed by some peanuts thrown their way.

India is probably far less attractive a place to be than Dubai, or Abu Dhabi, or Doha. Even places like Riyadh offer an aesthetic and sanitation standard that no major urban Indian are can compete with. On top of that there's the glitz, glamor, and lavishness of the middle east. Dubai is a place where if you have enough money you can have anything from the finest caviars to the finest escorts.

What Starc said is he's not interested in the deal AS IT STANDS NOW. If the CA gives the players a deal they agree with fundementally, they may be open to considering it.

The only questions are, in an all out war between BCCI and ICC (I hope and don't think it will come to that), how much money will CA be able and willing to throw to the players and how much would the IPL be willing and able to throw.

Is a 6 month IPL season viable? Can the IPL afford to give the leading 10 or 20 international cricketers contracts of around 10 million USD per year?

If they IPL does do that, can ECB or CA produce a counter offer that would out-bid the IPL's riches?

Those are the most important questions and issues atm, IMO.

 

[cricketjoshila]

BCCI would respond by easing the player salary cap. So someone like Smith and Warner who right now gets $1m from an IPL season will get close to $3-5m which CA can't compete with. That would be checkmate.

If salary cap is removed how much can a Ambani or a Goenka afford? Most IPL teams are either owned by Bilionaires or Billion dollar corporate entities or by someone like SRK who is worth close to 700mnusd.Good Luck to any board trying to match their money power.Not to mention if CA does this, BCCI will likely not tour Australia and thats another big monetary loss for CA.

Think about this, When the Pune and Rajkot team were awarded they were done through a reverse bidding,

BCCI has a central revenue pool made up of the hefty television rights income and other sponsorship earnings connected to the tournament. From this central kitty, BCCI passes on roughly Rs 40 crore to each IPL franchise. This is known as the annual management fee. The bidder that settles for the least management fee gets the team. Besides, there is also an option of ‘negative bid’, whereby a bidder not just forgoes the entire management fee but also pays an additional amount to the BCCI. Example: Team A agrees to a reduced management fee, say Rs 10 crore. Team B takes nothing from the BCCI but pays it Rs 10 crore. Team B wins the bid

Now Pune bid -10cr and Rajkot -16cr . So not only they gave up on ther share of Tv Rights revenue pool they also paid BCCI 10cr and 16cr to own the team. These people dont care about revenues etc etc,for them its about owning a cricket team and have their brand.Its a status symbol.Also the IPL revenues are to triple in the next cycle according to the estimates, so no matter how delusional Junaids gets, IPL and BCCI can outmatch any board when it comes to money.

 

[GrandMaster]

This was bound to happen, BCCI at the first place should have stuck to its original decision of pulling out of the CT. By accepting the ICC offer, every other boards think that BCCI has gone weak?

It's an eye opener for CoA and yesteryear's superstars Sachin and Dravid who wanted India to play the CT. All BCCI need is :

 

[Poutine]

This is the beginning of the end for international cricket especially in Australia. No way cricket Australia would be able to match the money and prestige that an IPL contract offers.

Every sane cricketer will pick IPL over CA.

 

[Runner Up]

Too much cricket in such a hot weather.

 

[last_knight]

No way CA can offer more than what IPL offers?

More reasons to believe the ulterior motives of CA and ECB behind ICC-BCCI battle.

Once they take out the giant, they can manipulate others.

I never believed that it's ICC vs BCCI in the name of associates and weaker boards. I have been of the opinion that it's CA+ECB vs BCCI.

Capitalism has no such animal that's called MORALS.

 

[last_knight]

This is the beginning of the end for international cricket especially in Australia. No way cricket Australia would be able to match the money and prestige that an IPL contract offers.

Every sane cricketer will pick IPL over CA.

These are tactical statements. Never meant to be implemented. Something like Stock Exchange rumours of pulling out/getting into stocks.

After the Checkmate, King and Pawn go back to original positions.

If BCCI surrenders here, say good bye to the GAME we love. CA and ECB manipulated the cricket for more than a century and everyone wanted someone to challenge them. Now when BCCI has been doing it for two decades, we want to punish it for this.

If THEY can discard Big-3 model for a "New Model', why should i believe that they can't discard the newer model for another.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

The players association will be fine with it provided the players are duely financially compensated.

The dispute between the Australian players and CA has nothing to do with the IPL but with CA wanting to change the payment system from a fixed revenue going to players - which would lower the salaries of domestic players eg Sheffield Shield/Big Bash.

So the multi year contracts have nothing to do with IPL?

 

[Napa]

The weakening of the position of the BCCI continues apace.

Today's Sydney Morning Herald reports that Australia's top five cricketers (Smith, Starc, Hazlewood, Warner and Cummins) have been offered multi-year Cricket Australia contracts which forbid participation in the IPL.

Source: http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket...ss-indian-premier-league-20170510-gw1j6x.html

Clearly Cricket Australia realises that an amicable settlement between the rest of the ICC and BCCI may not be possible, and is seeking to handcuff its best players out of reach of an expanded IPL.

Dave Warner is over 30 and would probably defect to IPL. But I'm fairly certain that the other four would not.

Full article as below

Cricket Australia has dangled multi-year contracts before the country's top handful of stars in an effort to convince them to forgo the riches of the Indian Premier League for the next three years.

Fairfax Media has learnt that Test captain Steve Smith, vice-captain David Warner and fast bowlers Mitchell Starc, Josh Hazlewood and Pat Cummins were contacted individually in recent weeks with verbal offers of three-year deals rather than standard one-year central contracts on the condition that they sit out the IPL.


http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket...ss-indian-premier-league-20170510-gw1j6x.html

Pat Howard, CA's newly re-signed executive general manager of team performance, made the approaches, which have come with the governing body and the Australian Cricketers' Association still in dispute over a new pay deal for players.

The offers were met with a lukewarm response from the players. The terms of the multi-year deals discussed informally with Howard were regarded by the players as underwhelming, with the only perceived incentive for them missing the IPL being the security of a three-year contract.

That could change after the CA board discussed at last Friday's meeting the introduction of financial compensation to wrest international players away from the IPL.

It would need to be significant to turn the heads of Australia's top-line stars from a looming windfall on the subcontinent. Smith and Warner, who captain their IPL franchises, collect more than $1 million a year for the Twenty20 tournament and their earning capacity there is set to rise sharply with a bumper new IPL broadcast deal tipped to see the event's player payment pool double.

Warner, for example, is arguably now the most valuable foreigner in the league, having led Sunrisers Hyderabad to the title last year and blasted his way to the top of this year's IPL run-scorer's list over the past six weeks.

The second-ranked player in CA's 2017-18 contract list behind Smith, the Australian opener's retainer with CA is estimated to be worth $2 million but he could conceivably earn as much as $10 million in the IPL alone over the next three years.

Starc, who left Royal Challengers Bangalore before this year's IPL to focus on the Champions Trophy in June in England, could also command upwards of $3 million a year from a new team under an inflated payment pool. England all-rounder Ben Stokes was bought for $2.8 million by Smith's Rising Pune Supergiants at auction this year.

With the memorandum of understanding between CA and players to expire on June 30 and no sign of a resolution on the horizon the approaches by Howard have been viewed suspiciously by the players' union.

CA is adamant, however, there is nothing sinister behind the strategy and that it is simply about ensuring players have a break during their leave period, which falls when the IPL is played in April and May, in the hope that Australia can minimise injuries and avoid the controversial resting of players elsewhere in the calendar such as Smith in Sri Lanka and Starc and Hazlewood in South Africa last year. The international schedule in 2019, which includes an Ashes series and a World Cup, is chiefly in mind for Howard in his efforts to ensure players have a proper off-season.

Meanwhile, sources close to the negotiations between CA and the ACA, which are due to resume on Friday, are doubtful that a new MOU will be signed before the end of June as both sides refuse to budge. It is a stand-off that could leave the game and hundreds of players, who are arguing for the retention of a percentage-of-revenue pay model, in limbo.

One area that shapes as an immediate flashpoint, with players on the verge of becoming free agents, is the use of their image rights. Australia host England in a Test series from November but unless there is a new agreement in place by June Australian players are likely to refuse to do any Ashes promotions in England during the Champions Trophy.

Good luck to CA trying to compete with IPL money. They will be crushed like an insect within a decade.

 

[Napa]

Seriously, even if we expand IPL and make it 5 months, that's as much time as they spend on tour anyway, so it's absolutely no difference to their life-styles whatsoever and India isn't the middle-east. For rich people, life is about as good as it gets here.

Only those who have actually never visited India think that there is no luxurious lifestyles here.

Besides luxury, there is also culture. Most players would prefer to be in a democratic country with modern industries. The few who do not appreciate that, well we don't want them in our country either.

 

[hitthestump]

This won't affect the IPL at all but harm the ability of other countries to recruit talent for their own t20 leagues by driving prices up.

In any case BCCI aren't going to sit quietly while the other boards conspire against them. When you look at how ruthlessly they crushed the ICL you'd probably be wiser not to mess with them.

 

[hitthestump]

These are tactical statements. Never meant to be implemented. Something like Stock Exchange rumours of pulling out/getting into stocks.

After the Checkmate, King and Pawn go back to original positions.

If BCCI surrenders here, say good bye to the GAME we love. CA and ECB manipulated the cricket for more than a century and everyone wanted someone to challenge them. Now when BCCI has been doing it for two decades, we want to punish it for this.

If THEY can discard Big-3 model for a "New Model', why should i believe that they can't discard the newer model for another.

Maybe, but cricket is hardly healthier in the hands of the BCCI. They're the kind of guys who'd sell their own grandma if offered a tempting enough price.

 

[Napa]

Even if the IPL collapses and we play a 7-ODI series vs Lanka during that time I'm game for this.

Your life is going to be one of deep disappointment over the next few years as the IPL doubles and then quadruples.

 

[Shutdown Corner]

If salary cap is removed how much can a Ambani or a Goenka afford? Most IPL teams are either owned by Bilionaires or Billion dollar corporate entities or by someone like SRK who is worth close to 700mnusd.Good Luck to any board trying to match their money power.Not to mention if CA does this, BCCI will likely not tour Australia and thats another big monetary loss for CA.

Without int'l cricket, IPL will have to expand to a 6 month season. Which means salaries will have to at least triple from that they are now. From my understanding the top foreign players make 1.5 million per season so that will have to go up to around 5 million. Possibly more. Would the Ambanis be willing to pay that much? Probably.

But there would be 10-20 foreign players who would demand such salaries...guys like Starc, Smith, Root, Morgan, Gayle, Steyn, ABD, Rabada, etc, etc. Would the marginal increase in IPL revenue from a longer season coupled with 0 revenue from internationals by BCCI (BCCI would boycott CA/ECB in addition to ICC events in all out war) be worth the increased payout to players for a 50 game, 6 month IPL season? I don't know. Probably yes.

Now the issue is what kind of counter offer would boards like CA and ECB make? Would they be able to offer 5 million for the elite 2-3 players in a multi year guaranteed offer? I don't see why not. But would they be willing to pay that much to a Root or Smith? That is the question.

For example, if IPL offers Shakib and Mustafiz 1 million dollars the BCB could probably afford to match that for those two players only. Would they do it is the question.

 

[Napa]

Is a 6 month IPL season viable?

Very viable as cricket does not have a competing sport for TV viewers in India.

Can the IPL afford to give the leading 10 or 20 international cricketers contracts of around 10 million USD per year?

Given the current rates of growth, it could happen in 5 to 10 years.

If they IPL does do that, can ECB or CA produce a counter offer that would out-bid the IPL's riches?

No. Eng and Aus have near stagnant economies growing at around 2%.

 

[Barragan]

This would be a blow for the ipl.

Like KP said "Even third rate Aussies are getting a gig".

Clearly, Aus players are in high demand.

 

[cricketjoshila]

India is probably far less attractive a place to be than Dubai, or Abu Dhabi, or Doha. Even places like Riyadh offer an aesthetic and sanitation standard that no major urban Indian are can compete with. On top of that there's the glitz, glamor, and lavishness of the middle east. Dubai is a place where if you have enough money you can have anything from the finest caviars to the finest escorts.

What Starc said is he's not interested in the deal AS IT STANDS NOW. If the CA gives the players a deal they agree with fundementally, they may be open to considering it.

The only questions are, in an all out war between BCCI and ICC (I hope and don't think it will come to that), how much money will CA be able and willing to throw to the players and how much would the IPL be willing and able to throw.

Is a 6 month IPL season viable? Can the IPL afford to give the leading 10 or 20 international cricketers contracts of around 10 million USD per year?

If they IPL does do that, can ECB or CA produce a counter offer that would out-bid the IPL's riches?

Those are the most important questions and issues atm, IMO.

FYI India has more Billionaires and Millionaires in USD terms than Abu Dhabi or Dubai or Doha.Their lifestyle rivals or beats any of those you see in Dubai or whatever.Have you seen the glitz glamour or lavishness of Mumbai or Delhi?Dont think so. Problem with some of you is that you see Dhaka and then think Mumbai or Delhi or Bangalore will be like wise.It isnt.The Posh areas of Delhi Mumbai Bangalore or Kolkata are so expensive that 1mn USD will probably buy you a 2bhk at most,not even that may be. Almost every major multinational has offices in India and their expat officials stay in India and work in those offices.


The IPL team owners are billionaires or billion dollar corporate entities.Its not a livelihood for them.

How much can Mukesh Ambani afford to pay if he wants Smith or Starc?How much can Goenka pay if he wants to retain Smith for Pune? How much will the Burmans of Dabur or the Wadias pay if they want to sign a Aussie for KXIP?How much will GMR or India Cements pay if they want to sign a Aussie for Delhi or Chennai,considering they are billion dollar plus enterprises?How much can United Spirits(Owned by DIAGEO) pay if they want to retain Starc for RCB?How much can Kalanithi Maran afford if he wants to sign a Aussie for the hyderabad team?Even SRK of KKR is estimated to be worth nearly 700mnUSD.

Then there are the likes of billionaires Adani,Harsh Goenka,VenuGopal Dhoot etc who tried to buy IPL teams but were outbidded.Think about a team for these people and the money they can afford to put in.

Considering India's growth rate and that it will be the 4th largest economy by 2020 and that cricket has no competition in the Indian market,IPL can certainly outbid CA.

 

[Junaids]

Seriously, even if we expand IPL and make it 5 months, that's as much time as they spend on tour anyway, so it's absolutely no difference to their life-styles whatsoever and India isn't the middle-east. For rich people, life is about as good as it gets here.

I'm also skeptical to what extent millions of dollars don't matter to people. We've seen enough footballers literally end their careers to go to China because of insane wages. This isn't really a life-style downgrade at all.

Not at all surprised that Starc and Co are not impressed by some peanuts thrown their way.

To be fair, my friend, I consistently say that sportsmen aged over 30 will take the biggest offer, just like Chinese contracts in football.

The Cricket Australia process currently is a strange one.

They are trying to ram through a terrible deal which robs all domestic and international male and female players of revenue sharing.

But they are clearly, in spite of what [MENTION=132373]Convict[/MENTION] says and the change in title of this thread, exploring contractually forbidding key players from playing IPL. But until the players' union signs the overall MOU, we won't know how much money is on offer to miss IPL.

 

[Napa]

To be fair, my friend, I consistently say that sportsmen aged over 30 will take the biggest offer, just like Chinese contracts in football.

The best footballers all over the world go wherever they are offered the most amount of money, playing in their home countries is a secondary consideration.

Brazilian players in their 20s play in Spain, Italy, and England. In their 30s play in China.

Ten years from now (bookmark this post and come back to it) the best Australian players in their 20s will play in India, and in their 30s will play in leagues of other countries.

 

[Junaids]

Good luck to CA trying to compete with IPL money. They will be crushed like an insect within a decade.

This is precisely what the Indians don't understand.

Cricket Australia doesn't have to compete with the IPL financially. It just needs to outpay Aussie Rules and Rugby League - and it already pays twice as much as them.

The typical Eastern Suburbs (Sydney Roosters) star player lives in a $1 million apartment at Bondi Junction, five kilometres from the beach.

Dave Warner lives in a cliff top oceanfront home at nearby Coogee Beach, in a $8 million house.

He might go to India due to his advanced age to secure his pension. But why would Mitch Starc go - he and Alyssa Healy already have a similar house to Warner. What would he want that extra money for?

It just wouldn't happen.

 

[Napa]

This is precisely what the Indians don't understand.

Cricket Australia doesn't have to compete with the IPL financially. It just needs to outpay Aussie Rules and Rugby League - and it already pays twice as much as them.

The typical Eastern Suburbs (Sydney Roosters) star player lives in a $1 million apartment at Bondi Junction, five kilometres from the beach.

Dave Warner lives in a cliff top oceanfront home at nearby Coogee Beach, in a $8 million house.

He might go to India due to his advanced age to secure his pension. But why would Mitch Starc go - he and Alyssa Healy already have a similar house to Warner. What would he want that extra money for?

It just wouldn't happen.

I guess it is difficult for you to conceive the difference between a $10 million lifestyle and a $50 million lifestyle.

Make a list of things that $50 million can buy but $10 million can't. That may help you understand.

 

[Junaids]

The best footballers all over the world go wherever they are offered the most amount of money, playing in their home countries is a secondary consideration.

Brazilian players in their 20s play in Spain, Italy, and England. In their 30s play in China.

Ten years from now (bookmark this post and come back to it) the best Australian players in their 20s will play in India, and in their 30s will play in leagues of other countries.

English speaking footballers actually don't follow the money overseas. Not outside their culture.

That's why more English players play in US Major League Soccer than Spain, Germany and Italy combined.

You're looking at Beckham and Bale - whom no English club could afford - and Owen Hargreaves who is really Canadian anyway, and Joe Hart who had no choice.

And that's the whole list.

 

[Napa]

That's why more English players play in US Major League Soccer than Spain, Germany and Italy combined.

The English players who play in the MLS are not the players Real Madrid, Barcelona, AC Milan, Juventas etc. would recruit. Any English player of that caliber would either be playing for Man U, Man City, Barcelona, etc.

I can't make out if you keep arguing this just because you like arguing or whether you really believe in something so obviously false.

 

[Junaids]

I guess it is difficult for you to conceive the difference between a $10 million lifestyle and a $50 million lifestyle.

Make a list of things that $50 million can buy but $10 million can't. That may help you understand.

Actually, with respect, it sounds like it's harder for you!

Because while I'd move continents and cultures to go from a modest lifestyle to $50 million in India, I would need a more compelling argument to give up a $10 million lifestyle where I WANT to live.

$10 million buys you a luxury house, designer clothes, fancy holidays and desirable cars. I'm not sure you would say "but this way I could trade in my Porsche for a Lamborghini."

You would say "I like watching "The Project" at 7 pm before I go out and see my mates who play for the Roosters. I don't need an even fancier car instead."

 

[Napa]

Actually, with respect, it sounds like it's harder for you!

Because while I'd move continents and cultures to go from a modest lifestyle to $50 million in India, I would need a more compelling argument to give up a $10 million lifestyle where I WANT to live.

$10 million buys you a luxury house, designer clothes, fancy holidays and desirable cars. I'm not sure you would say "but this way I could trade in my Porsche for a Lamborghini."

You would say "I like watching "The Project" at 7 pm before I go out and see my mates who play for the Roosters. I don't need an even fancier car instead."

Is a Lambo the only thing you could think of that $50 million would buy?

Think yachts, private jets, chateaus in France etc.

 

[Junaids]

The English players who play in the MLS are not the players Real Madrid, Barcelona, AC Milan, Juventas etc. would recruit. Any English player of that caliber would either be playing for Man U, Man City, Barcelona, etc.

I can't make out if you keep arguing this just because you like arguing or whether you really believe in something so obviously false.

This is actually the key to guessing what top Aussie cricketers would do.

Consider two major stars like Gerrard and Lampard. They only left England at the very end - and for the familiarity and comfort of America.

Look at the other top, top English players.

Shearer never left. Rooney never left. Rio Ferdinand never left.

We westerners don't just want money as an end in itself, it's part of a lifestyle.

As soon as you have to go and live in a place you don't want to live in, your pay demands basically treble. At least.

I'm sure Starc and Smith and especially Pattinson would be the same.

 

[Napa]

Look at the other top, top English players.

Shearer never left. Rooney never left. Rio Ferdinand never left.

We westerners don't just want money as an end in itself, it's part of a lifestyle.

Again, you say things that don't add up. Rooney never left England because Man U was paying him market ($20+ million in 2015). If they paid him $2 million instead he would have joined La Liga in the blink of an eye.

In ten years CA won't be able to pay market to top Australians and they will play in India instead.

You are either very innocent about how the way the world works, or are just stuck.

 

[Gilly]

1)Many Aussie that play in IPL are mediocre. They lack quality

2) Even if second tier Aussies are better than our domestic players which I don't agree they are still easily replaceable by others.

3) The only reason many Aussies are playing in IPL is due to support staff, coach etc from their country rate them and earn them their selections.

4) Do you really believe Stoinis, Henriques, Faulkner, Tye, Travis head earn them money as compared to others? Like I said they are in the team due to some Aussie connection in the staff. They can easily be replaced by other better performance players from either domestics or other countries.

Anyway I don't think you would ever be convinced about this. You already made up your mind. Let's agree to disagree then.

Funny thing is that mediocre players from Australia are drafted and play in the IPL, that must mean that the IPL is not that strong if mediocre players from Australia can play. If there were better players available then these mediocre players would not be selected.

Why would the IPL use players from Australia that lack quality, why don't they select quality players instead?.