Cricket Australia and players reach agreement after month-long dispute [Post #245]

[Gilly]

In ten years CA won't be able to pay market to top Australians and they will play in India instead.

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Why?.

 

[Napa]

Why?.

The Indian economy is growing at 7.5% and IPL is growing at 20% pa. Also, cricket is pretty much the dominant sport for Indian TV viewers.

 

[Gilly]

The Indian economy is growing at 7.5% and IPL is growing at 20% pa. Also, cricket is pretty much the dominant sport for Indian TV viewers.

Still does not make any sense, are you saying the quality of Australian players will see them able to walk into the IPL and make more money than they make from an Australian Cricket contract. Will it be that easy for Australian cricketers to walk into IPL teams.

 

[Junaids]

Is a Lambo the only thing you could think of that $50 million would buy?

Think yachts, private jets, chateaus in France etc.

But my friend, you are much more sophisticated than the people we are discussing. The only Aussie who would be attracted to those things is Ed Cowan, but he would play for his country for free!

I doubt that Dave Warner could even spell yacht or chateau!

Let me give you the example of English elite footballers.

Every second May, when there are no upcoming Euros or World Cup, they decamp en masses to the gorgeous Sandy Lane hotel in Barbados.

It's the chance for Harry Kane to splash Wayne Rooney in the pool, pee in his cocktails, etc etc.

Colleen Rooney loved it so much that she persuaded Wayne to buy a holiday home in the nearby Royal Westmoreland estate. And for poor old Wayne, it has been a disaster. He no longer gets the holidays he wanted! He misses his mates.

On a serious level, this is why I think English speaking sportsmen tend to stick to what they are familiar with.

 

[Napa]

Still does not make any sense, are you saying the quality of Australian players will see them able to walk into the IPL and make more money than they make from an Australian Cricket contract. Will it be that easy for Australian cricketers to walk into IPL teams.

I think the best cricket players from the world over (a group that includes many Australians) will want to play in the richest cricket league.

 

[Napa]

But my friend, you are much more sophisticated than the people we are discussing. The only Aussie who would be attracted to those things is Ed Cowan, but he would play for his country for free!

One can play in the IPL and also for his country. Just like soccer players play for their clubs and also their countries.

On a serious level, this is why I think English speaking sportsmen tend to stick to what they are familiar with.

Here are a list of British basketball players who left Britain to play in the NBA. If you have any examples of British basketball players who were offered an NBA contract but did not take it, please share.

John Amaechi (born in USA, raised in England)
Robert Archibald (Scotland)
Kelenna Azubuike (England)
Steve Bucknall (England)
Luol Deng (born in Sudan, raised in England)
James Donaldson
Ndudi Ebi (England)
Ben Gordon (born in England, raised in USA)
Chris Harris
Pops Mensah-Bonsu (England)
Michael Olowokandi (born in Nigeria, raised in England)

http://basketball.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Foreign_NBA_Players

 

[Convict]

So the multi year contracts have nothing to do with IPL?

The multi year contracts are about five players who CA don't want getting injured playing for someone else.

CA routinely rests these players from ODI series all the time. This is an extension of this logic but recognising that they would need to financially compensate players for not letting them take part in IPL.

 

[Convict]

The Indian economy is growing at 7.5% and IPL is growing at 20% pa. Also, cricket is pretty much the dominant sport for Indian TV viewers.

CA on its own has more money to pay player than any single IPL club ever will.

IPL franchises are run by private investors.

Private investors will not throw away money in a wage war over five players - even Starc and Smith aren't worth 5 million.

 

[Junaids]

One can play in the IPL and also for his country. Just like soccer players play for their clubs and also their countries.




Here are a list of British basketball players who left Britain to play in the NBA. If you have any examples of British basketball players who were offered an NBA contract but did not take it, please share.

John Amaechi (born in USA, raised in England)
Robert Archibald (Scotland)
Kelenna Azubuike (England)
Steve Bucknall (England)
Luol Deng (born in Sudan, raised in England)
James Donaldson
Ndudi Ebi (England)
Ben Gordon (born in England, raised in USA)
Chris Harris
Pops Mensah-Bonsu (England)
Michael Olowokandi (born in Nigeria, raised in England)

http://basketball.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Foreign_NBA_Players

But you can't earn even an average wage in the UK playing basketball - you have to leave.

Why did Gerrard, Lampard, Shearer, Ferdinand, Seaman, Terry, Adams never leave England except for a pre-retirement gig in America?

As Luis Suarez shows - and Steve McManaman (who is smart enough to cope overseas) showed, you earn much more at Barca or Real Madrid.

Yet still they don't go.

Remember, Ian Rush returned bemused, bored and utterly bewildered after one year at Juventus in Turin, and famously complained that "it was like living in a foreign country".

 

[Napa]

Why did Gerrard, Lampard, Shearer, Ferdinand, Seaman, Terry, Adams never leave England except for a pre-retirement gig in America?

Once again, Rooney was getting paid $20 million in the UK, whereas MLS nothing similar in comparison.

As Luis Suarez shows - and Steve McManaman (who is smart enough to cope overseas) showed, you earn much more at Barca or Real Madrid.

British players with Suarez level of talent like Rooney get paid Suarez level of money staying in the UK.

Remember, Ian Rush returned bemused, bored and utterly bewildered after one year at Juventus in Turin, and famously complained that "it was like living in a foreign country".

Maxwell, Warner and Smith are having a blast in India, they love it here.

 

[Gilly]

I doubt that Dave Warner could even spell yacht or chateau!

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A common mistake by uneducated people, Warner is a very smart investor and multi millionaire. There is a reason he is a lot wealthier than you.

 

[Junaids]

Once again, Rooney was getting paid $20 million in the UK, whereas MLS nothing similar in comparison.



British players with Suarez level of talent like Rooney get paid Suarez level of money staying in the UK.



Maxwell, Warner and Smith are having a blast in India, they love it here.

I'm enjoying the debate - I hope I don't sound disrespectful to your views.

I understand that [MENTION=132373]Convict[/MENTION] thinks it's just a matter of keeping the Aussie bowlers fresh and fit. But that logic applied for the last seven years too.

I think that the Srinivasan Lobby at the BCCI has played its hand a bit prematurely, and Cricket Australia understands that there is the threat of a six or nine month IPL.

And I think that this is the early stages of a response to that.

I don't know if you are abreast of this week's NRL scandal in Australia. Two prominent New Zealand rugby league internationals (who play club football in Sydney) plus a famous Aussie player and an Aussie club administrator got caught with cocaine. They have been caught being naughty boys, but it's a window into a life of party drugs, booze and groupies which for Aussie adolescents with sporting ability is a large part of the attraction of becoming a professional sportsman.

Most of Australia's top players live in Sydney or Melbourne - even if they play for other states - and are part of the same social group as star NRL players (Sydney) or AFL players (Melbourne).

The players in their thirties generally have stable domestic lives and seek a retirement income.

But the players in their twenties enjoy the hedonistic lifestyle. They might cope with six weeks in an Asian society living in a hotel, but six or nine months? I just can't see it!

 

[Junaids]

A common mistake by uneducated people, Warner is a very smart investor and multi millionaire. There is a reason he is a lot wealthier than you.

I'd put it differently.

He's one of the top three openers in the world. I'm not in the top ten thousand Psychiatrists in the world.

 

[MuqaddarKaSikandar]

http://http://toi.in/Ma1FpY/a20fi

This is how Indian media interprets it

 

[MuqaddarKaSikandar]

http://toi.in/Ma1FpY/a20li

 

[Gilly]

I'd put it differently.

He's one of the top three openers in the world. I'm not in the top ten thousand Psychiatrists in the world.

I would put it very different to you, I think uneducated people make assumptions on a few stories they read in the media about sportsmen and have never in their life known or had lengthy conversations with these players but still think they can make judgements about the intelligence of that person.

 

[Itachi]

Actually, with respect, it sounds like it's harder for you!

Because while I'd move continents and cultures to go from a modest lifestyle to $50 million in India, I would need a more compelling argument to give up a $10 million lifestyle where I WANT to live.

$10 million buys you a luxury house, designer clothes, fancy holidays and desirable cars. I'm not sure you would say "but this way I could trade in my Porsche for a Lamborghini."

You would say "I like watching "The Project" at 7 pm before I go out and see my mates who play for the Roosters. I don't need an even fancier car instead."

Actually you missed a point.

You don't need to "live".

You need to take a "vacation"

 

[Junaids]

I would put it very different to you, I think uneducated people make assumptions on a few stories they read in the media about sportsmen and have never in their life known or had lengthy conversations with these players but still think they can make judgements about the intelligence of that person.

Look, fair enough.

But I know a reasonable number of sportsmen and their families. Professionally and privately.

My point was that yachts and chateaux are an acquired taste for people in certain social circles. I remember Dave Warner's brother tweeting that he had been made "the escape goat".

I'm not being a snob. Earlier I complimented Steve McManaman on his Madrid experience: he may not have been born into privilege but he had the intellect to learn a language and thrive overseas. Johan Cruyff was the cleaner's son, but look how much more multi-lingual and cosmopolitan than me he ended up!

But most sportsmen in western countries excel in part because their education was secondary, and neglected in favour of sport.

I just don't see Dave Warner buying a house in India, playing nine month IPL and regaling his new Indian friends at dinner with his mastery of Hindi.

 

[Gilly]

Look, fair enough.

But I know a reasonable number of sportsmen and their families. Professionally and privately.

My point was that yachts and chateaux are an acquired taste for people in certain social circles. I remember Dave Warner's brother tweeting that he had been made "the escape goat".

I'm not being a snob. Earlier I complimented Steve McManaman on his Madrid experience: he may not have been born into privilege but he had the intellect to learn a language and thrive overseas. Johan Cruyff was the cleaner's son, but look how much more multi-lingual and cosmopolitan than me he ended up!

But most sportsmen in western countries excel in part because their education was secondary, and neglected in favour of sport.

I just don't see Dave Warner buying a house in India, playing nine month IPL and regaling his new Indian friends at dinner with his mastery of Hindi.

Lets not try to fool each other, you made and have before today made disparaging remarks about Warner. I know lots of young people on here who don't know much do the same but you make out you are educated so should have more sense.

That's why I doubt very much that you are a doctor, you seem to make the same mistakes as a teenager, I know a few doctors and they are much more measured in how they speak about other people due to their experience and knowledge, maybe its just a cultural thing.

 

[Napa]

I don't know if you are abreast of this week's NRL scandal in Australia. Two prominent New Zealand rugby league internationals (who play club football in Sydney) plus a famous Aussie player and an Aussie club administrator got caught with cocaine. They have been caught being naughty boys, but it's a window into a life of party drugs, booze and groupies which for Aussie adolescents with sporting ability is a large part of the attraction of becoming a professional sportsman.

So your argument now is that Aussie cricketers would not play in India even if they were offered a lot more money simply because they could not score good drugs here.

I assume BCCI will contract with a few Mexicali cartels to assure the players a steady supply of their vice.

 

[Shutdown Corner]

FYI India has more Billionaires and Millionaires in USD terms than Abu Dhabi or Dubai or Doha.Their lifestyle rivals or beats any of those you see in Dubai or whatever.Have you seen the glitz glamour or lavishness of Mumbai or Delhi?Dont think so. Problem with some of you is that you see Dhaka and then think Mumbai or Delhi or Bangalore will be like wise.It isnt.The Posh areas of Delhi Mumbai Bangalore or Kolkata are so expensive that 1mn USD will probably buy you a 2bhk at most,not even that may be. Almost every major multinational has offices in India and their expat officials stay in India and work in those offices.


The IPL team owners are billionaires or billion dollar corporate entities.Its not a livelihood for them.

How much can Mukesh Ambani afford to pay if he wants Smith or Starc?How much can Goenka pay if he wants to retain Smith for Pune? How much will the Burmans of Dabur or the Wadias pay if they want to sign a Aussie for KXIP?How much will GMR or India Cements pay if they want to sign a Aussie for Delhi or Chennai,considering they are billion dollar plus enterprises?How much can United Spirits(Owned by DIAGEO) pay if they want to retain Starc for RCB?How much can Kalanithi Maran afford if he wants to sign a Aussie for the hyderabad team?Even SRK of KKR is estimated to be worth nearly 700mnUSD.

Then there are the likes of billionaires Adani,Harsh Goenka,VenuGopal Dhoot etc who tried to buy IPL teams but were outbidded.Think about a team for these people and the money they can afford to put in.

Considering India's growth rate and that it will be the 4th largest economy by 2020 and that cricket has no competition in the Indian market,IPL can certainly outbid CA.

GCC has things even the EU and US doesn't. When it comes to pomp and ostentatiousness, the gulf arabs cant be beat. There isnt grime and poverty everywhere like there is in Dhaka or Lahore or Mumbai.

Property values in Dhaka are crazy as well, doesnt mean that its as nice a place to live or visit as Dubai. Its the least livable city in the world, yet its metro GDP is equivalent to say Calgary, Canada or Naples, Italy. Do you think Dhaka is a better place to live than Naples?

Even with its harsh shariah injunctions, westerners flock to Dubai which is saying a lot. Dubai doesn't have beggers and wild animals roaming the sidewalks.

Heck, New Yorkers who have 5th avenue, go to Dubai to shop.

http://gulfnews.com/business/sector...-for-shopping-in-tripadvisor-survey-1.1338272

Dubai beat out NYC and London for shopping. Predictably, it ranked last in culture, lol. Mumbai was the worst overall place to visit, and Japan was first.

 

[Napa]

When it comes to pomp and ostentatiousness, the gulf arabs cant be beat.

Most of the civilized world regards this as a lack of culture.

Heck, New Yorkers who have 5th avenue, go to Dubai to shop.

The link that you give does not say that. I wonder if you have ever lived in NYC. I have, and I can tell you that the farthest New Yorkers go to shop is IKEA or an outlet mall in NJ.

http://gulfnews.com/business/sector...-for-shopping-in-tripadvisor-survey-1.1338272
Dubai was the lowest ranked city for culture.

Last in culture and you would think anybody civilized would want to live there, explains a lot.

 

[Shutdown Corner]

Most of the civilized world regards this as a lack of culture.

Did you read the link? Dubai was ranked LAST in precisely culture!

The link that you give does not say that. I wonder if you have ever lived in NYC. I have, and I can tell you that the farthest New Yorkers go to shop is IKEA or an outlet mall in NJ.

My extended family is from Queens (Elmhurst, Jamaica, Bayside). Although I was born in Boston, I lived on 94th street in the Upper West Side for some time as well. Lived in Long Island as well.

Your post kind of proves my point. Desi NYers would go to IKEA because they are kunjoos. An Arab though would buy some crap even if he couldn't afford it. If you're anything like most desi uncles, you aren't the type of New Yorker I'm talking about. I'm talking about the guys who pronounce Dumas' famous work as "Tree Muskateahs".

Donald Trump is a real NYer, he goes to FL to play golf and thats after taking 99% salary cut as President of the US.

I'll give you an anecdote.

One day I was walking home from work up Lexington Ave by Grand Central. I noticed a black chevy SUV with obnoxiously loud Arabic techno blaring. Inside were 4 of the drunkest 20 something Arab guys one could find. They started shouting at random people walking on the sidewalks. I looked at the plates to see if these douches were from Jersey...turns out they from the UAE. Big surprise.

An Indian will earn $1, live off ten cents, and invest the rest in a very nice house.

A Pakistani/Bangladeshi will earm $1, live off 20 cents, buy a decent car, invest the rest in a decent house.

An Arab will earn nothing, live off the entire $1, buy a mansion and a ferrari, and blow the rest on booze and blondes.

True story.

Last in culture and you would think anybody civilized would want to live there, explains a lot.

I dont think anyone would want to live there. But there are more white tourists there than native Emiratis in Dubai at any given time.

Right now, there are 2.2 million people in Dubai. 1 million are Arab migrants from poor countries, 500,000 are desi migrants, 250,000 are Filipinos or Thais, 250,000 are actual Emiratis and 200,000 are **** tourists. Ballpark numbers here, I did not look it up.

 

[Napa]

Did you read the link? Dubai was ranked LAST in precisely culture!

My extended family is from Queens (Elmhurst, Jamaica, Bayside). Although I was born in Boston, I lived on 94th street in the Upper West Side for some time as well. Lived in Long Island as well.

Your post kind of proves my point. Desi NYers would go to IKEA because they are kunjoos. An Arab though would buy some crap even if he couldn't afford it. If you're anything like most desi uncles, you aren't the type of New Yorker I'm talking about. I'm talking about the guys who pronounce Dumas' famous work as "Tree Muskateahs".

Donald Trump is a real NYer, he goes to FL to play golf and thats after taking 99% salary cut as President of the US.

I'll give you an anecdote.

One day I was walking home from work up Lexington Ave by Grand Central. I noticed a black chevy SUV with obnoxiously loud Arabic techno blaring. Inside were 4 of the drunkest 20 something Arab guys one could find. They started shouting at random people walking on the sidewalks. I looked at the plates to see if these douches were from Jersey...turns out they from the UAE. Big surprise.

An Indian will earn $1, live off ten cents, and invest the rest in a very nice house.

A Pakistani/Bangladeshi will earm $1, live off 20 cents, buy a decent car, invest the rest in a decent house.

An Arab will earn nothing, live off the entire $1, buy a mansion and a ferrari, and blow the rest on booze and blondes.

True story.



I dont think anyone would want to live there. But there are more white tourists there than native Emiratis in Dubai at any given time.

Right now, there are 2.2 million people in Dubai. 1 million are Arab migrants from poor countries, 500,000 are desi migrants, 250,000 are Filipinos or Thais, 250,000 are actual Emiratis and 200,000 are **** tourists. Ballpark numbers here, I did not look it up.

Your observations about desis are interesting, but I have to tell you that there are many different strata of desis and their consumption behavior varies according.

Also, this thread was about whether Western players (mainly Aussies) would prefer the mid-East to India. Not sure if the behavior of Arabs and Desis has any bearing on that issue.

 

[Pollack]

Funny thing is that mediocre players from Australia are drafted and play in the IPL, that must mean that the IPL is not that strong if mediocre players from Australia can play. If there were better players available then these mediocre players would not be selected.

Why would the IPL use players from Australia that lack quality, why don't they select quality players instead?.

If you scroll through more of my posts the reason has already been stated.Also overall they are still not enough in number to affect IPL as a whole.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

The multi year contracts are about five players who CA don't want getting injured playing for someone else.

CA routinely rests these players from ODI series all the time. This is an extension of this logic but recognising that they would need to financially compensate players for not letting them take part in IPL.

Oh okay, well that actually makes sense given how injury prone Aussie quicks are and CA have also rested them from BBL, so clearly it isn't a ploy to hurt IPL.

 

[Specialisttailender]

Shocking and disrespectful if true !!!!

 

[Specialisttailender]

FYI India has more Billionaires and Millionaires in USD terms than Abu Dhabi or Dubai or Doha.Their lifestyle rivals or beats any of those you see in Dubai or whatever.Have you seen the glitz glamour or lavishness of Mumbai or Delhi?Dont think so. Problem with some of you is that you see Dhaka and then think Mumbai or Delhi or Bangalore will be like wise.It isnt.The Posh areas of Delhi Mumbai Bangalore or Kolkata are so expensive that 1mn USD will probably buy you a 2bhk at most,not even that may be. Almost every major multinational has offices in India and their expat officials stay in India and work in those offices.


The IPL team owners are billionaires or billion dollar corporate entities.Its not a livelihood for them.

How much can Mukesh Ambani afford to pay if he wants Smith or Starc?How much can Goenka pay if he wants to retain Smith for Pune? How much will the Burmans of Dabur or the Wadias pay if they want to sign a Aussie for KXIP?How much will GMR or India Cements pay if they want to sign a Aussie for Delhi or Chennai,considering they are billion dollar plus enterprises?How much can United Spirits(Owned by DIAGEO) pay if they want to retain Starc for RCB?How much can Kalanithi Maran afford if he wants to sign a Aussie for the hyderabad team?Even SRK of KKR is estimated to be worth nearly 700mnUSD.

Then there are the likes of billionaires Adani,Harsh Goenka,VenuGopal Dhoot etc who tried to buy IPL teams but were outbidded.Think about a team for these people and the money they can afford to put in.

Considering India's growth rate and that it will be the 4th largest economy by 2020 and that cricket has no competition in the Indian market,IPL can certainly outbid CA.

Have you been to Doha and Dubai to make the comparison with Indian cities ? LOL. Tiny Kuwait has close to 150,000 millionaires while entire India has only about 200K Millionaires. It is not about 5 star hotels and night clubs. These millionaires still have to drive through roads with beggars, trash, child labourers, maniac driving, deal with corrupted politicians and etc.

 

[Specialisttailender]

Is a Lambo the only thing you could think of that $50 million would buy?

Think yachts, private jets, chateaus in France etc.

Would you expect Virat and Sachin to play club cricket over international cricket if they were offered a better deal and BCCI was poor? Why do you and other deluded Indians think only Indians are some patriotic people ? Comparing life style of England to Spain with Australia to India is pure stupidity.

 

[Specialisttailender]

Funny thing is that mediocre players from Australia are drafted and play in the IPL, that must mean that the IPL is not that strong if mediocre players from Australia can play. If there were better players available then these mediocre players would not be selected.

Why would the IPL use players from Australia that lack quality, why don't they select quality players instead?.

IPL is at a level where even if CA,CSA,NZCB and ECB banned their players from participating in IPL, they will find a way to make deal with SLCB,BCB, WI and draft them in IPL. That will turn every existing Indian national players into super stars and Srilankan, Bangladesh & Wi players into stars overnight. This will also allow more revenue for these smaller boards when they play international series through better sponsors and TV money. IPL has grown to a level where it doesn't need Steven Smith or Joe Root to lure tv ratings like before. When IPL started TV ratings depended based on which teams had more well known foreigners than quality.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Would you expect Virat and Sachin to play club cricket over international cricket if they were offered a better deal and BCCI was poor? Why do you and other deluded Indians think only Indians are some patriotic people ? Comparing life style of England to Spain with Australia to India is pure stupidity.

If an australian/south african player gets an offer of 1 million USD from an IPL team for playing 9 months of pyjama cricket and at the same time he gets an offer from a county team with half the money he will most likely choose county cricket over IPL. It is funny to see some IPL fans who themselves live outside India but want foreign players to adapt indian life style for 9 months.

 

[Shutdown Corner]

Your observations about desis are interesting, but I have to tell you that there are many different strata of desis and their consumption behavior varies according.

I am generalizing, but I think its fairly accurate. We are all ingrained with our cultural philosophy...and everyone is a hybrid. But the general cultural ethos is usually pretty distinct from one another.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Yet another positive contribution to cricket due to IPL. Boards will be forced to pay higher wages as compensation.

 

[CricketCartoons]

If an australian/south african player gets an offer of 1 million USD from an IPL team for playing 9 months of pyjama cricket and at the same time he gets an offer from a county team with half the money he will most likely choose county cricket over IPL. It is funny to see some IPL fans who themselves live outside India but want foreign players to adapt indian life style for 9 months.

If not for IPL, those greedy boards would have continued to exploit the cricketers. Good to see cricketers getting paid well, even if it is to keep them away from IPL. Ultimately cricketers should get the wages they deserve, and it took IPL to shake the exploitative boards and made them value their cricketers more. So more power to these T20 leagues. Only those selfish people who don't care about cricketers welfare will have problem with IPL or any T20 league which pays well.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

Dunno what to make of this,will reserve judgement until we get some more solid evidence.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

If not for IPL, those greedy boards would have continued to exploit the cricketers. Good to see cricketers getting paid well, even if it is to keep them away from IPL. Ultimately cricketers should get the wages they deserve, and it took IPL to shake the exploitative boards and made them value their cricketers more. So more power to these T20 leagues. Only those selfish people who don't care about cricketers welfare will have problem with IPL or any T20 league which pays well.

It seems those same selfish people care more about the game than the cheerleaders.

 

[CricketCartoons]

It seems those same selfish people care more about the game than the cheerleaders.

Those selfish people care about their own entertainment, and not for the cricketers who provide it. They are cheerleaders for a particular format, and put their selfish interests above the welfare of the family of a cricketer, who only has a few years in his career to make money. Shame on them.

I always put cricketers welfare over my like/dislike for any format.

Good on IPL for being the reason many cricketers are getting the money they deserve, although the benefit should reach all cricketers.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Those selfish people care about their own entertainment, and not for the cricketers who provide it. They are cheerleaders for a particular format, and put their selfish interests above the welfare of the family of a cricketer, who only has a few years in his career to make money. Shame on them.

I always put cricketers welfare over my like/dislike for any format.

Good on IPL for being the reason many cricketers are getting the money they deserve, although the benefit should reach all cricketers.

Those selfish people don't want cricketers to get injured while playing in Pyjama Leagues. IPL fans are the ones who for their entertainment want cricketers to become a machine and play non stop cricket for 9 months. Well done australia for trying to save their best players. We have a lot to learn from them.

 

[shravan]

This iis nothing to do with IPL. Every board wants to protect its star players from burnout. It is only the teenage OP having wet dreams portraying it as the fall of BCCI.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Those selfish people don't want cricketers to get injured while playing in Pyjama Leagues. IPL fans are the ones who for their entertainment want cricketers to become a machine and play non stop cricket for 9 months. Well done australia for trying to save their best players. We have a lot to learn from them.

Cricketers are the best judge of their priorities. Not their board, and certainly not shameless and selfish cheerleaders. If they get more money to keep them away from T20 leagues, I welcome it. If they get more money for playing T20 leagues, I welcome it too. Always support anything that helps the cricketers family.

Shame that selfish people put their own interests above the welfare of a cricketer's family.

 

[GreenShirts]

Nothing will come out of this.

 

[santos11]

Those selfish people don't want cricketers to get injured while playing in Pyjama Leagues. IPL fans are the ones who for their entertainment want cricketers to become a machine and play non stop cricket for 9 months. Well done australia for trying to save their best players. We have a lot to learn from them.

The Cricketers can quit International Cricket and take rest for that period and play IPL and other leagues to maximize their earnings, as much as their body can manage.

Cricketers deserve Maximum money. They shouldn't play International Cricket just so that some of their countrymen can seek glory from it.

 

[CricketAnalyst]

A common mistake by uneducated people, Warner is a very smart investor and multi millionaire. There is a reason he is a lot wealthier than you.

I think that reason has a lot more to do with being able to hit a ball with a stick harder than the average guy, rather than him being smarter than the guy who has a very senior medical position.

 

[CricketAnalyst]

Have you been to Doha and Dubai to make the comparison with Indian cities ? LOL. Tiny Kuwait has close to 150,000 millionaires while entire India has only about 200K Millionaires. It is not about 5 star hotels and night clubs. These millionaires still have to drive through roads with beggars, trash, child labourers, maniac driving, deal with corrupted politicians and etc.

Yeah the official stats on Indian millionaires is TOTALLY reliable guys,,,no black money at all in this economy.

Literally everyone who owns a house in South Delhi is a millionaire.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Cricketers are the best judge of their priorities. Not their board, and certainly not shameless and selfish cheerleaders. If they get more money to keep them away from T20 leagues, I welcome it. If they get more money for playing T20 leagues, I welcome it too. Always support anything that helps the cricketers family.

Shame that selfish people put their own interests above the welfare of a cricketer's family.

Did you mean cricketers like starc who pulled out of IPL? Or cricketers like Virat Kohli who was more interested in playing champions trophy? I know how much you care about them. Stop pretending to be something you are not.

 

[big_gamer007]

The multi year contracts are about five players who CA don't want getting injured playing for someone else.

CA routinely rests these players from ODI series all the time. This is an extension of this logic but recognising that they would need to financially compensate players for not letting them take part in IPL.

The most sensible post in this thread.

 

[big_gamer007]

Yeah the official stats on Indian millionaires is TOTALLY reliable guys,,,no black money at all in this economy.

Literally everyone who owns a house in South Delhi is a millionaire.

A millionaire means someone who earns more than 1mill usd a year = 6.6crore rupees a year.. So no not everyone who owns a house in south Delhi is not a millionaire..

But you are right about black money part, still not everyone is a millionaire that's far from true lol

 

[Junaids]

A millionaire means someone who earns more than 1mill usd a year = 6.6crore rupees a year.. So no not everyone who owns a house in south Delhi is not a millionaire..

But you are right about black money part, still not everyone is a millionaire that's far from true lol

Actually, that's not what "millionaire" means.

It's just a person with at least $1 million in assets.

And Australia, with an adult population of just 14 million, has 1.2 million millionaires.

Source: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...explained-in-four-charts-20141015-116axc.html

There are reasons which explain why:

1. Domestic sports like ARL and NRL (plus Cricket Australia) pay such good wages.

2. Aussie sportsmen under 30 wouldn't move to play in Dubai or Delhi for 6+ months per year unless the money was many times higher than what they can earn at home.

3. I immigrated here!

4. The wealth of the country is relatively well distributed. We don't have the extremes of wealth and poverty that India or the USA have.

It's considered a good thing that nobody whatsoever in Australia has a maid, it keeps our society equitable and fair. (You can't get visas for foreign domestic employees unless you are diplomatic staff), and under the Fair Work Act:

a) the minimum wage is $17.68 per hour, but $27 per hour on Saturdays and $35 per hour on Sundays.
b) the maximum number of contracted hours work per week is 38,
c) the minimum number of consecutive days off per week is 2.
d) the minimum number of weeks of paid holiday per year is 4.

I have a couple who come and clean my house for two hours per week, for which I pay them $100. I presume that Mitch Starc and Alyssa Healy get theirs to come four or five days per week.

Would Aussie cricketers like having a maid? Maybe.

 

[big_gamer007]

Actually, that's not what "millionaire" means.

It's just a person with at least $1 million in assets.

And Australia, with an adult population of just 14 million, has 1.2 million millionaires.

Source: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...explained-in-four-charts-20141015-116axc.html

There are reasons which explain why:

1. Domestic sports like ARL and NRL (plus Cricket Australia) pay such good wages.

2. Aussie sportsmen under 30 wouldn't move to play in Dubai or Delhi for 6+ months per year unless the money was many times higher than what they can earn at home.

3. I immigrated here!

4. The wealth of the country is relatively well distributed. We don't have the extremes of wealth and poverty that India or the USA have.

It's considered a good thing that nobody whatsoever in Australia has a maid, it keeps our society equitable and fair. (You can't get visas for foreign domestic employees unless you are diplomatic staff), and under the Fair Work Act:

a) the minimum wage is $17.68 per hour, but $27 per hour on Saturdays and $35 per hour on Sundays.
b) the maximum number of contracted hours work per week is 38,
c) the minimum number of consecutive days off per week is 2.
d) the minimum number of weeks of paid holiday per year is 4.

I have a couple who come and clean my house for two hours per week, for which I pay them $100. I presume that Mitch Starc and Alyssa Healy get theirs to come four or five days per week.

Would Aussie cricketers like having a maid? Maybe.

Really if it means having $1 million in asset then [MENTION=135134]CricketAnalyst[/MENTION] is right everyone in south Delhi is millionaire even i am a millionaire in that case wow never realised that.. Should flaunt from tomorrow being a millionaire lol..


I have agreed with your point that 9 month IPL is not feasible and given various reasons in previous posts so I do agree with your point here.. What I disagree with you make wild assumptions saying BCCI is bankrupt or Srini gang is cooking all this up..

 

[CricketCartoons]

Did you mean cricketers like starc who pulled out of IPL? Or cricketers like Virat Kohli who was more interested in playing champions trophy? I know how much you care about them. Stop pretending to be something you are not.

lol. you are not getting it. let me school you again. Whether a cricketer wants to play more test or wants to ply more T20 leagues is completely his prerogative. Genuine cricket lovers would support the cricketers getting more money, which they were not pre T20 leagues. Welfare of cricketers family OVER the personal likes/dislikes of someone who wants test to die, or t20s to end, both sides are selfish idiots who see cricketers are mere entertainment, not as humans who need to earn financial security for their family in an insecure and competitive cricketing career.
I hope you are not like them, those selfish cheerleaders I am talking about. I am sure you put the cricketers family above your likes and dislikes.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Some ridiculous posts in this thread.

Battle of millionaires going on, which is laughable. Boasting of numbers they haven't seen in their life.

IPL is a good window to earn some easy cash. Is nothing more, nothing less.

Cricketers on the wrong side of 35 might prefer IPL more but they are unlikely to be bought because franchise owners are not fools and will only pay for young or old exceptional talent.

However making stupid arguments and replies is the norm in this thread.

IPL will always be overshadowed by national teams and international cricket because Starc and Smith will never get famous by smashing the ball in IPL.

They will only get famous if they Can replicate that performance in Ashes and World Cups.

No one would care if Dale Steyn got 10 wickets in IPL match, but everyone remembers his Test exploits.

Even look at Kohli.

Does anyone care what he does in IPL?

IPL is just that. A small window for Indian and other fans to see the best of the best in action and players to earn cheap bucks. IF IPL is planning to become more than that, its delusional.

However CA might want to protect its best talent from being overly used in IPL and that's a fair call on their part.

IPL will probably respond by offering more money and perhaps could just convince a few that IPL is still the cheapest and easiest source of fast money.

But to say that IPL will be future of world cricket is borderline delusional.

Just as it is delusional to expect that cricketers will stop taking a vacation to India if some boards give them extra cash. They will probably still go.

No one can have enough money.

 

[CricketAnalyst]

A millionaire means someone who earns more than 1mill usd a year = 6.6crore rupees a year.. So no not everyone who owns a house in south Delhi is not a millionaire..

But you are right about black money part, still not everyone is a millionaire that's far from true lol

A millionaire means someone whose net worth is more than $1 M. In fact their income could be non-existent or negative.

Plenty of billionaires have negative income because their companies are making losses in any given year or their stock portfolios are performing bad.

Millionaire is a measure of wealth, not income.

 

[Junaids]

A millionaire means someone whose net worth is more than $1 M. In fact their income could be non-existent or negative.

Plenty of billionaires have negative income because their companies are making losses in any given year or their stock portfolios are performing bad.

Millionaire is a measure of wealth, not income.

I know we disagree on some aspects of the BCCI's financial state, but I'd really appreciate your opinion about a few things. Could you possibly answer Yes or No to the following questions, if appropriate with brief clarification:

Q1. Do you think that elements within the BCCI are considering a 6 or 9 month IPL season?

Q2. If yes to Q1, do you think that there are hardliners within the BCCI who would be prepared to precipitate a split from the ICC to do this?

Q3. Do you think that Cricket Australia and the ECB should prepare contingency plans (e.g. bigger contracts but prohibiting IPL participation) to defend themselves against such a move?

Q4. At this stage, do you think that the BCCI will be able to split off some of the weaker Boards to vote with them against the financial and governance changes at the ICC?

 

[CricketAnalyst]

I know we disagree on some aspects of the BCCI's financial state, but I'd really appreciate your opinion about a few things. Could you possibly answer Yes or No to the following questions, if appropriate with brief clarification:

Q1. Do you think that elements within the BCCI are considering a 6 or 9 month IPL season?

Q2. If yes to Q1, do you think that there are hardliners within the BCCI who would be prepared to precipitate a split from the ICC to do this?

Q3. Do you think that Cricket Australia and the ECB should prepare contingency plans (e.g. bigger contracts but prohibiting IPL participation) to defend themselves against such a move?

Q4. At this stage, do you think that the BCCI will be able to split off some of the weaker Boards to vote with them against the financial and governance changes at the ICC?

I actually have pretty good insights into the answers to these.

1. Yes some elements within BCCI, especially the Srini gang/hardliners (how are now the entire old guard) are contemplating this. They are businessmen and politicians and they understand markets, they know it's not a bluff and just how much money can be thrown about. I am not kidding you I have had discussions about the financials, how much money BCCI has in store and how big the revenue is from IPL. It's credible.

2. Yes, the hard-liners want to do this. A lot of the guys who like cricket in the old-school purist way don't want to do this though they realize they can. The COA is idealist types who would India bankroll 12 months of Test Cricket than this happens. The moment BCCI control lapses back to the States Association, the COA steps down, the Supreme Court case is heard by different judges or any flux of power occurs they will be gunning for this.

3. I think CA and ECB should be deathly worried. I also think it's not in their power to stop this because I doubt they can bid meaningful amounts for IPL. Even if their discount (your theory of 4 million for 14 million being parity) holds, (and IPL can easily match that rate) the problem is that other boards can't pay their players so BCCI can wreck the teams CA and ECB would play with, rendering these measures useless.

In terms of protecting themselves they should rather be prepared to pivot and embrace the IPL and demand big cuts of their players playing. If they care only about Tests, they need to rest the Test guys for all international ODI to compensate for the impact of IPL and let them play in the IPL anyway.

4. No I don't think BCCI will be able to split boards because BCCI doesn't have full internal control or capacity to make decisions which is precisely why this insurrection has been timed in this way. Till the governance is internally clarified BCCI is handcuffed, but this is a temporary problem while the market incentives are absolutely permanent.

 

[Junaids]

I actually have pretty good insights into the answers to these.

1. Yes some elements within BCCI, especially the Srini gang/hardliners (how are now the entire old guard) are contemplating this. They are businessmen and politicians and they understand markets, they know it's not a bluff and just how much money can be thrown about. I am not kidding you I have had discussions about the financials, how much money BCCI has in store and how big the revenue is from IPL. It's credible.

2. Yes, the hard-liners want to do this. A lot of the guys who like cricket in the old-school purist way don't want to do this though they realize they can. The COA is idealist types who would India bankroll 12 months of Test Cricket than this happens. The moment BCCI control lapses back to the States Association, the COA steps down, the Supreme Court case is heard by different judges or any flux of power occurs they will be gunning for this.

3. I think CA and ECB should be deathly worried. I also think it's not in their power to stop this because I doubt they can bid meaningful amounts for IPL. Even if their discount (your theory of 4 million for 14 million being parity) holds, (and IPL can easily match that rate) the problem is that other boards can't pay their players so BCCI can wreck the teams CA and ECB would play with, rendering these measures useless.

In terms of protecting themselves they should rather be prepared to pivot and embrace the IPL and demand big cuts of their players playing. If they care only about Tests, they need to rest the Test guys for all international ODI to compensate for the impact of IPL and let them play in the IPL anyway.

4. No I don't think BCCI will be able to split boards because BCCI doesn't have full internal control or capacity to make decisions which is precisely why this insurrection has been timed in this way. Till the governance is internally clarified BCCI is handcuffed, but this is a temporary problem while the market incentives are absolutely permanent.

Thanks, I really appreciate you taking the time to answer this.

I think we broadly agree about what is going on in terms of these 4 questions, even if we personally have different ideals.

I think as well your answers suggest that Cricket Australia is not just trying to keep its fast bowlers fit, but is also exploring tactics to protect its assets from being bought by a rebel IPL.

Let me then proceed to another question, which will follow several conditions for it:

1. You have clearly argued that post-COA, the BCCI might split from the ICC and move to a 6 or 9 month IPL with contracts up to potentially world soccer levels - I would state that that is up to about $15 million per year for the top players but comfortably $3 million upwards for less special ones.

2. I have argued that CA and the ECB might look to handcuff their players with contracts in the $2 million to $5 million range with clauses prohibiting IPL participation.

3. You have replied that that would not work, because the BCCI would buy the best South African, New Zealand and West Indian players, whose boards pay less than $100,000 to established international cricketers.

So here is my question. I showed in a different thread that domestic Australian sports pay 20 man squads a total of $9-11 million per club, at an average wage of around $500,000 per year. In spite of no overseas TV revenue.

Would it not make sense, therefore, for the ICC to stop distributing its $160 million surplus to the Boards but instead to employ all non-Big Three international cricketers with it?

This would put those cricketers on a much sounder financial basis and protect cricket from the threat of a rebel takeover.

In some ways, even though the BCCI and IPL are currently "official", a rebel IPL would be like a much richer and better run ICL. And the solution to the ICL was for the establishment to offer something better itself.

 

[CricketAnalyst]

Thanks, I really appreciate you taking the time to answer this.
Would it not make sense, therefore, for the ICC to stop distributing its $160 million surplus to the Boards but instead to employ all non-Big Three international cricketers with it? - See more at:

The problem with this is that surplus won't exist without India's participation in ICC cricket. In fact it will be an enormous deficit.

We can disagree with the semantics of whether revenue from Indian matches is 'contributed by BCCI or not', but it's indisputable that if India matches don't happen, the revenues will plummet drastically, and with roughly the same outlay required, there won't be a surplus to pay those guys.

 

[Junaids]

The problem with this is that surplus won't exist without India's participation in ICC cricket. In fact it will be an enormous deficit.

We can disagree with the semantics of whether revenue from Indian matches is 'contributed by BCCI or not', but it's indisputable that if India matches don't happen, the revenues will plummet drastically, and with roughly the same outlay required, there won't be a surplus to pay those guys.

Except that begs the question "where do Australian Rugby League and Australian Rules Football get the money to pay median salaries of $400,000? While Cricket South Africa has 1 player on more than $100,000.

They have no overseas TV revenue. Both sports are ignored by half the Aussie sports viewership, on geographical lines.

And it's because of that that I just don't buy the argument that cricket is penniless without India.

As you know, the ICC has an idiosyncratic way of selling its rights. Other sports sell their rights country by country. But the ICC sells the worldwide rights to the highest Indian bidder, which then sells on the rights to each country. So it looks like India pays for "all" the TV rights, but it's misleading.

 

[big_gamer007]

A millionaire means someone whose net worth is more than $1 M. In fact their income could be non-existent or negative.

Plenty of billionaires have negative income because their companies are making losses in any given year or their stock portfolios are performing bad.

Millionaire is a measure of wealth, not income.

Yea got it mate [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] corrected it in above post made me realise even i am a millionaire never knew that before..

 

[Abdul]

Aussie cricketers in CA pay threat: report

Australia's top cricketers have reportedly been threatened with no pay beyond June 30 unless they accept a proposed overhaul of player remuneration.

Cricket Australia (CA) chief executive James Sutherland has reportedly threatened that players won't be paid beyond June 30 unless they accept the governing body's proposed overhaul of player remuneration.

According to Fairfax Media, Sutherland on Friday sent an explosive email to Australian Cricketers' Association (ACA) chief Alistair Nicholson. CA then forwarded it to players around Australia.

The email casts doubt on what team Australia could field after June 30, with a two-Test series scheduled in August in Bangladesh, ahead of this summer's home Ashes showdown.

Sutherland has not been involved in bitter pay talks but has written: "CA is not contemplating alternative contracting arrangements to pay players beyond 30 June if their contracts have expired.

"In the absence of the ACA negotiating a new MOU (memorandum of understanding), players with contracts expiring in 2016-17 will not have contracts for 2017-18 ... that players with existing multi-year state or Big Bash contracts would be required to play in 2017-18 even if a new pay deal is not struck; and that if a new MOU was not agreed ..."

The ACA on Friday had moved to enter mediation with CA over the pay negotiations, which show no signs of resolution.

Sutherland told Nicholson: "The ACA is fast running out of time to engage with CA's proposal and optimise the outcome for players.

"In the coming weeks, CA and states will be making contract offers to players," Sutherland's email stated. "The terms of these contracts will be consistent with CA's proposal, and contracts will be conditional on a new MOU being in place."

Australia's top cricketers effectively will be free agents from July 1 unless a peace deal is somehow struck, extinguishing the possibility of the current MOU being rolled over for another year or for series-by-series contracts to be struck.

Sutherland accuses the ACA of having "unfairly placed current players in a difficult position.

"I understand that some have been made to feel that accepting the relatively minor but necessary changes to the existing pay model, while being paid more, would somehow be 'letting the side down'," Sutherland wrote. "This is nonsense."

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2017/05/13/aussie-cricketers-ca-pay-threat-report

 

[Abdullah719]

ACA calls for mediation after CA pay threat aggression

SYDNEY: The players’ union called on Cricket Australia (CA) on Sunday to mediate over intractable wage negotiations instead of threatening not to pay their stars.

The governing body late last week threatened not to pay contracted players beyond June 30 unless the proposed remuneration overhaul was accepted.

CA chief executive James Sutherland demanded the players accept the offer in a blunt email, as the impasse with the Australian Cricketers’ Association (ACA) looked no closer to resolution.

The latest flare-up casts doubt on what team Australia could field after June 30, with a two-Test series scheduled in August in Bangladesh ahead of a home Ashes showdown with England later in the year.

The ACA’s chief executive Alistair Nicholson criticised CA’s ‘incoherence and aggression’ in the negotiations.

“Clearly, we are disappointed that CA are threatening the players,” Nicholson said in a statement. “It’s also a window into the nature of CA’s behaviour in these negotiations so far. There is incoherence and aggression in what we have experienced at the negotiating table from CA.”

Nicholson said this was shown by CA’s attempts last week to offer some top players multi-year deals only to threaten them the following day.

“However, despite these threats, the players affirm their offer to participate in independent mediation,” he added. “Quite simply, one side entered these negotiations in good faith with intent to provide a win/win result, and the other is trying to remove player unity and drive a wedge in Australian cricket.

“The point lost on CA is that the players will not respond to threats, whilst broadcasters and sponsors need certainty.”

Nicholson said it was time for CA to sit down in mediation for the good of the game, instead of making unnecessary threats and creating uncertainty.

He added that his organisation had been in touch with cricketers on Friday to brief them on the latest situation.

CA released their proposal in March, offering large salary increases, particularly for women, but breaking with the 20-year model of a fixed percentage of revenue from the game going to the cricketers.

Sutherland told the players’ association that they needed to meet terms with CA or players would go unpaid when the existing collective bargaining agreement expires on June 30.

Cricket Australia declined to comment further when contacted.

Emerging Test batsman Peter Handscomb, on county duty in England, said all players should be treated equally.

He raised fears long-form players could be lost to Twenty20 if the current financial model was not retained. “It’s about being a partner in the game. It’s huge for the players. We all feel we have a genuine role in growing cricket,” Handscomb told The Sunday Age newspaper. “We’re putting ourselves out there in public, playing and promoting the game all the time. The revenue-share model helps us feel that we’re really part of the successes or failures.”

Australia fast bowler Mitchell Starc hinted at a players’ strike for the upcoming Ashes, the lucrative five-Test series against England which starts in November.

“Makes for an interesting men’s and women’s Ashes series,” Starc wrote on Twitter.

The current MoU will expire midway through the women’s World Cup which starts in England and Wales on June 24.

Former Australia captain Mark Taylor, a CA board member, said the ACA were not prepared to negotiate and that players had threatened to strike as far back as January.

“Cricket Australia feel that the ACA aren’t negotiating at all,” he told a sports chat show on cricket broadcaster Nine Network on Sunday. “I have had players say to me in January that we could well be on strike in July.”

https://www.dawn.com/news/1333122/aca-calls-for-mediation-after-ca-pay-threat-aggression

 

[jagatk]

Except that begs the question "where do Australian Rugby League and Australian Rules Football get the money to pay median salaries of $400,000? While Cricket South Africa has 1 player on more than $100,000.

They have no overseas TV revenue. Both sports are ignored by half the Aussie sports viewership, on geographical lines.

And it's because of that that I just don't buy the argument that cricket is penniless without India.

As you know, the ICC has an idiosyncratic way of selling its rights. Other sports sell their rights country by country. But the ICC sells the worldwide rights to the highest Indian bidder, which then sells on the rights to each country. So it looks like India pays for "all" the TV rights, but it's misleading.

Unless you have some sort of professor x powers you cannot create an audience out of the blue, is this notion so difficult to understand, every post you go on about rugby or some other sport without understanding a basic simple concept of audience, cricket does not have a great audience in Australia like it does for other sports.

I agree with the icc part though, icc should sell country wise rights that will settle the whole tv rights debate then and there.

 

[Junaids]

Unless you have some sort of professor x powers you cannot create an audience out of the blue, is this notion so difficult to understand, every post you go on about rugby or some other sport without understanding a basic simple concept of audience, cricket does not have a great audience in Australia like it does for other sports.

I agree with the icc part though, icc should sell country wise rights that will settle the whole tv rights debate then and there.

Actually, you are wrong. I live in Australia.

Cricket has a BIGGER audience than Aussie Rules (which the residents of Sydney and Brisbane are completely disinterested in - except for the ones from elsewhere) and a BIGGER audience than Rugby League (which leaves the residents of Adelaide, Melbourne and Perth completely disinterested).

That's my whole point - two codes of football that are each hated by half the country and which have no overseas TV rights sales can sustain player wages which international cricket could, but is structured not to.

 

[jagatk]

Actually, you are wrong. I live in Australia.

Cricket has a BIGGER audience than Aussie Rules (which the residents of Sydney and Brisbane are completely disinterested in - except for the ones from elsewhere) and a BIGGER audience than Rugby League (which leaves the residents of Adelaide, Melbourne and Perth completely disinterested).

That's my whole point - two codes of football that are each hated by half the country and which have no overseas TV rights sales can sustain player wages which international cricket could, but is structured not to.

Do you actual nos supporting that?

 

[jagatk]

Warner's reply to sutherland, things are getting tasty now.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia/content/story/1097963.html

 

[CricketAnalyst]

Actually, you are wrong. I live in Australia.

Cricket has a BIGGER audience than Aussie Rules (which the residents of Sydney and Brisbane are completely disinterested in - except for the ones from elsewhere) and a BIGGER audience than Rugby League (which leaves the residents of Adelaide, Melbourne and Perth completely disinterested).

That's my whole point - two codes of football that are each hated by half the country and which have no overseas TV rights sales can sustain player wages which international cricket could, but is structured not to.

Warner's response is answering your idea that these Aussie guys are just bros who are happy to get $20k a month and live it up when not playing. Also, he literally just said they'll just switch to T20s unless they get what they want. Also, a flat no to skipping IPL. The Aussie players seem to understand their interests well.

 

[Junaids]

Warner's response is answering your idea that these Aussie guys are just bros who are happy to get $20k a month and live it up when not playing. Also, he literally just said they'll just switch to T20s unless they get what they want. Also, a flat no to skipping IPL. The Aussie players seem to understand their interests well.

As happens surprisingly often, you and I agree.

Cricket Australia is trying it on with the players on several levels.

Its CEO James Sutherland has an MBA in sports administration from Stanford. (The elite San Francisco university, not Giles Clarke's best friend from Texas via Antigua).

He knows that revenue sharing with the players is the gold standard of agreements, but CA is trying to rip off the players and give itself an unfair share. It's not by accident that they were in the Big Three.

But anyway, CA's opening gambit to Smith, Warner and the three quicks was "you give up IPL, in return for which we guarantee you a 3 year contract".

Which is preposterous: if CA wants them to give up IPL they need to raise the contracts from $900,000 per year to at least $2.5 million for those players.

I'm with the players. I think Cricket Australia's proposals are insulting and short-sighted.

 

[USofA]

Warner's reply to sutherland, things are getting tasty now.������

http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia/content/story/1097963.html

I wonder what happened to playing for your country is above $$! So much for taking less money, and so much for the "premier" format is everything as well!

Looks like not playing the IPL clause is a non starter besides the $$ amount.

 

[CricketAnalyst]

I wonder what happened to playing for your country is above $$! So much for taking less money, and so much for the "premier" format is everything as well!

Looks like not playing the IPL clause is a non starter besides the $$ amount.

That's not anything these players said. It's an unreasonable expectation you are putting on them. What's more, who would you rather have that money? Players who put their bodies on the line or admins who don't move a finger but want to steal money from the players?

 

[USofA]

That's not anything these players said. It's an unreasonable expectation you are putting on them. What's more, who would you rather have that money? Players who put their bodies on the line or admins who don't move a finger but want to steal money from the players?

I agree with you. The players should make money. They should decide for themselves how much is enough. Their skills have a shelf life and they need to monetize that to the extent that they want to. It is ridiculous to think the they will/should accept less money as several posts in this forum seem to suggest.

 

[the Great Khan]

Great thread once again from [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] and also from subsequent posters.

In my personal opinion (and I'm no real expert in BCCI or CA revenues etc etc) I feel the CA has one carrot that the IPL can never ever give them and that's the ashes. International cricket could go to hell in a hand basket but the Ashes will survive. And if the ashes survives then theoretically international cricket survives to some extent. The ICC also has the world cup and yes I know the Indians love their IPL and love watching India win. (I mean thats what the IPL is essentially, its watching India win no matter what team you support, thats why its so popular) but I'm sure Indians love rubbing their boots into the faces of every Pakistani cricket fan they can get their hands on when it comes to the world cup. Also when India wins a world cup the world notices.

So the question is if the IPL goes to 6 months can it sustain interest? Also would an aussie give up the chance to play in an ashes series? or other international series? surely you want to prove yourself in test cricket to test yourself?

I dont think there is an immediate threat to the IPL but long term I think the game itself is under threat if India continues down this path.

 

[CricketAnalyst]

Great thread once again from [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] and also from subsequent posters.

In my personal opinion (and I'm no real expert in BCCI or CA revenues etc etc) I feel the CA has one carrot that the IPL can never ever give them and that's the ashes. International cricket could go to hell in a hand basket but the Ashes will survive. And if the ashes survives then theoretically international cricket survives to some extent. The ICC also has the world cup and yes I know the Indians love their IPL and love watching India win. (I mean thats what the IPL is essentially, its watching India win no matter what team you support, thats why its so popular) but I'm sure Indians love rubbing their boots into the faces of every Pakistani cricket fan they can get their hands on when it comes to the world cup. Also when India wins a world cup the world notices.

So the question is if the IPL goes to 6 months can it sustain interest? Also would an aussie give up the chance to play in an ashes series? or other international series? surely you want to prove yourself in test cricket to test yourself?

I dont think there is an immediate threat to the IPL but long term I think the game itself is under threat if India continues down this path.

The Aussie players are already talking of boycotting Ashes and there is no huge incentive being offered; this is just a pay-out negotiation.

If there's a 6 month IPL with $10 million, the Ashes will be the least consideration for these players. None of these players is so patriotic that they will be paid 1/10th what they are worth to play for a board that is trying to screw them over.

 

[Hitman]

Australian cricketers will continue to be part of IPL, assures Michael Clarke

Link: https://cricket.yahoo.com/news/australian-cricketers-continue-part-ipl-195300862.html

Former skipper Michael Clarke has insisted that the leading Aussie players will continue to take part in the Indian Premier League (IPL). During a press conference to mark the collaboration between Michael Clarke Cricket Academy and newly-opened Aditya School of Sports, the 36-year old backed the crème de la crème of Australian cricket to resist Cricket Australia’s (CA) offer.

Clarke said, “I don't think it's fair for me to comment (on the situation) as I haven't spoken with anyone from CA or individual players. But I can guarantee that I was given every opportunity to come and play in the IPL. CA was very supportive of the decisions I made.

“Unfortunately, I had a lot of injuries in my career which restricted my IPL appearances. I played one year with Pune Warriors and enjoyed the experience very much. And now I am back here commentating. IPL is a wonderful tournament.

“Cricket is bigger than any individual. If Sir Donald Bradman can retire and the game goes on, it doesn't matter who comes in and who goes out. Cricket is the greatest game in the world. But the David Warners and Steve Smiths will keep coming to IPL. They love it over here.

“I don't know of one Australian cricketer who has not had a good time in IPL. I don't think we need to keep talking about that. I am confident you will continue to see Australian cricketers being part of IPL.”

A couple of days ago, an interesting development came to light. CA reportedly offered three-year contracts to five of their top players in a bid to prevent them from taking part in future editions of the IPL. The move was aimed at monitoring the heavy workloads in an already packed calendar and reducing the prevalence of injuries.

Apart from Warner and Smith, Pat Cummins, Mitchell Starc and Josh Hazlewood are the others who have been offered such contracts by their board. However, they are understood to be quite discontented with the money on offer. From the aforementioned list, only Hazlewood has not had a taste of the IPL.

Amidst deteriorating relations between CA and the players, there is even a possibility of the big names going on strike by July. The major bone of contention stems from the reluctance of the board to share a portion of their revenue with the cricketers.

The ongoing pay dispute has come at a time when the Australian players are set to participate in the upcoming edition of the Champions Trophy during June. Even though Starc affirmed that the off-field situation would not be a source of distraction, the circumstances are not ideal for the team.

 

[Napa]

Which is preposterous: if CA wants them to give up IPL they need to raise the contracts from $900,000 per year to at least $2.5 million for those players.

I think you are slowly becoming aware that CA simply doesn't have the money to compete with IPL.

As for your idea that Australian players could be induced not to play in India (because there are no hot girls in India etc.), Warner finds that idea of not playing in India "laughable".

Straight from the horse's mouth:

Last week it was revealed that the CA team performance manager Pat Howard had approached Australia's top players - Warner, Smith, Mitchell Starc, Josh Hazlewood and Pat Cummins - with an offer of multi-year deals in exchange for no longer playing the IPL during their leave period. "It was quite laughable when I heard about it," Warner said.

 

[Suleiman]

Cricket Australia welcomes AFL pay deal

Cricket Australia has today welcomed the resolution of the AFL’s bargaining process with its players as further strong evidence that the revenue share model currently applying in cricket needs to be changed in the interests of the game.

A Cricket Australia spokesperson said: “The AFL, with the agreement of its players, has rejected the funding model that currently exists within cricket. They understand that the fixed-percentage model is outdated, and hinders the sport.

“The AFL players, led by former Australian Cricketers' Association head Paul Marsh, have instead embraced a pay deal which is more closely aligned with the proposal that Cricket Australia has offered our elite players,” the spokesperson said.

Cricket Australia said “both the AFL deal and the proposal that CA has put to the nation’s cricketers feature guaranteed payments. Above the guaranteed payments, players share in additional revenue after expenses are taken into account. This is more akin to a profit share. By contrast, the existing cricket model is based on a fixed share of revenue that ignores the cost of generating that revenue''.

“The AFL deal demonstrates clearly that you do not need a player payments model based on a fixed percentage of revenue to be a successful sport that looks after all levels of the game, including grassroots, or to have an effective partnership with the players.”

CA said “the modified model that we have proposed will provide the flexibility to invest significantly more in grassroots, particularly junior cricket, while significantly increasing remuneration for our male players, and achieving a ground-breaking pay model for our women’’.

 

[Abdullah719]

Australia’s cricketers face potential unemployment as pay dispute intensifies

More than 200 of Australia’s top cricketers face unemployment within days, with a bitter pay dispute “extremely” unlikely to be resolved by a deadline on Friday, players’ union boss Greg Dyer has said.

Australia’s top cricketers face being locked out unless a new memorandum of understanding (MoU) is struck between Cricket Australia and the Australian Cricketers’ Association (ACA), with the current agreement set to expire on June 30.

ACA president Dyer said players and Cricket Australia remained “a long way apart” on basic issues and the union was preparing its members for unemployment.

“It is extremely likely that as of July 1 we’ll be jumping over the cliff together,” Dyer told local media on Tuesday. “The fundamentals of the deal are nowhere near to being resolved. Over 200 of Australia’s most senior cricketers are unemployed as of the 1st of July. We will be assisting in whatever way we possibly can in that but they’re unemployed.”

At the heart of the dispute is a long-standing agreement that gives the players a fixed percentage of the revenue of the game, a deal which CA says prevents them from sufficiently investing in the grassroots.

CA offered a revised deal on Friday but the union quickly rejected it.

Unless the impasse ends, the upcoming Australia A tour of South Africa, a two-Test series in Bangladesh and a limited-overs tour of India are under threat, with the Ashes also looming at the end of the year.

CA has declined to comment on the negotiations but said in announcing its revised offer last week that it was “100 percent committed” to resolving the MoU by the deadline.

Former Australia test opener Ed Cowan, who is contracted for New South Wales state, said players remained unified and resolute in their demands, and cast doubt on Steve Smith’s test side boarding the plane for Bangladesh for the Test series starting Aug. 27.

“The next line in the sand is probably the tour of Bangladesh, do the players go on that late August? My gut feeling is probably hit and miss for security reasons (and) MoU reasons.”

The ACA has already made moves to prepare for a lockout, setting up a business to manage and market players’ intellectual property.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/crick...intensifies/story-JkEUUCo408m38HLdvdWF7J.html

 

[MoAamer]

IPL has become really sickening to many viewers. No offense to indians. But we can't have this 2+ month long circus anymore.

 

[shravan]

IPL has become really sickening to many viewers. No offense to indians. But we can't have this 2+ month long circus anymore.

It's an Indian domestic t20 series. What does it have to do with you?

 

[MoAamer]

It's an Indian domestic t20 series. What does it have to do with you?

Nothing. This is PakPassion. You can guess why: because it's cricket.

In my opinion, that's my opinion. IPL harms the value of cricket with flat batting pitches, massive scoring of runs, hurt cricketers international careers. On the bright side, it's just a domestic tournament!

 

[shravan]

Nothing. This is PakPassion. You can guess why: because it's cricket.

In my opinion, that's my opinion. IPL harms the value of cricket with flat batting pitches, massive scoring of runs, hurt cricketers international careers. On the bright side, it's just a domestic tournament!

And the likes of PSL and BIg bash are not?

 

[Billy1999]

Don't cricketers already earn about 600,000


Why do they want more

In five years they can buy a House,Cars,Holiday home,Everything else

They should be considered as lucky as nobody watches that much cricket as the Aussie team is pretty weak