Cricket Australia fear that David Warner will name names

[Junaids]

Source: http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport...r/news-story/20efd0bc67de196582e9d920dd63f8be

As I have suggested for days, the end game now starts for Cricket Australia.

They have tried to bury Steve Smith’s original admission that an entire leadership group within the team knew about the ball tampering.

They have concluded that because Starc, Hazlewood and Lyon deny involvement, that makes them innocent. It’s an extraordinary legal technique: “OJ told is he didn’t do it, so we’re declaring him innocent”.

And they have pinned most of the blame on Dave Warner.

Which is fine if he accepts being the scapegoat.

But with his international career effectively terminated, he has scheduled a press conference for 11 am tomorrow. He knows whether Australia previously doctored the ball at Wellington, Melbourne and Durban. And he knows whether the bowlers were a party to any such cheating.

If Warner names names, the carefully crafted Cricket Australia narrative of a single incident would be discredited. A $20 million sponsor has already deserted Cricket Australia: they can’t afford to look as if they are executing a cover up.

 

[cricketindiafan]

Unlikely IMO. Even if Warner's international career was to be over, he will still have a future as a freelancer across T20 leagues for next 4-5 years. Him naming names now could end up jeopardizing those chances.

 

[Last Monetarist]

Unlikely IMO. Even if Warner's international career was to be over, he will still have a future as a freelancer across T20 leagues for next 4-5 years. Him naming names now could end up jeopardizing those chances.

Pas du tout, it would only jeopardize his chances of playing the BBL. The other T20 leagues, including the IPL, won't care a jot.

 

[Executioner]

BPL teams will be willing to pay him 250k for a single season

 

[shokz1408]

Maybe he will name some other players. As he himself was thrown under the bus, it could have remained with it being the captain's responsibility and bancroft's but they said leadership group and got him involved. If he feels wrong done by, and he wasn't getting along with the players after the incident, don't think he'll let others walk free, unless perhaps he got offered a large sum of money. Even if offered, I don't think he will want to take the weight off the responsibility on his shoulders, I reckon tomorrow he'll be naming some players.

 

[hk031992]

Junaids, what do you think the punishment for Smith and co should have been?

I personally think that a year is too harsh. I think 3 months would have sufficed.

 

[Savak]

Lol Cricket Australia better offer him a deal that he will represent Australia again after his ban or this will look ugly for everyone. From Warner's perspective, if the entire team was in on it then he has every right to name them and not go down as a scapegoat unnecessarily.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Its impossible that bowlers didnt know.

 

[Junaids]

Junaids, what do you think the punishment for Smith and co should have been?

I personally think that a year is too harsh. I think 3 months would have sufficed.

It’s hard to answer that.

I think that cricket should have red and yellow cards, and that Bancroft and Smith should have been immediately sent off with a red card and a 3 Test ban. And their team would have to play the rest of the game with nine men.

But it should be the ICC doing the punishing.

The problem is, many Aussies play amateur sport well into their sixth decade of life. And they were outraged by the premeditated aspect of the cheating and wanted life bans.

Cricket Australia has been playing a game of catch up ever since. The idea of repunishing players who have already had ICC sanctions seems deeply unfair to me. But domestic Australian public opinion demanded severe punishments.

 

[hk031992]

It’s hard to answer that.

I think that cricket should have red and yellow cards, and that Bancroft and Smith should have been immediately sent off with a red card and a 3 Test ban. And their team would have to play the rest of the game with nine men.

But it should be the ICC doing the punishing.

The problem is, many Aussies play amateur sport well into their sixth decade of life. And they were outraged by the premeditated aspect of the cheating and wanted life bans.

Cricket Australia has been playing a game of catch up ever since. The idea of repunishing players who have already had ICC sanctions seems deeply unfair to me. But domestic Australian public opinion demanded severe punishments.

i agree. These Aussie journalists are whipping up a frenzy to get attention and feel a sense of power. Disgraceful.

 

[rhony]

Pas du tout, it would only jeopardize his chances of playing the BBL. The other T20 leagues, including the IPL, won't care a jot.

They all need NOC from the board.

 

[Slog]

Junaids is a sucker for partaking in gossip and conspiracies

 

[Junaids]

i agree. These Aussie journalists are whipping up a frenzy to get attention and feel a sense of power. Disgraceful.

There’s a deeper problem too.

Steve Smith is actually a very decent man. But he was completely unsuited to the captaincy: he is not intelligent enough, he is not tough enough, he’s not worldly-wise enough and he’s anxious, full of nervous tics and too obsessed with his own batting.

Smith was a weak skipper as a result. He’s a follower, not a leader, like Ross Taylor.

Putting him as skipper with two bullies as coach and vice captain was just asking big for trouble.

 

[www787]

Off course bowlers knew, Coach knew, every team member had to be involved.

It wasn't just a random bite on a ball (afridi), it was premeditated and keeping bowlers in dark would have not made ball tempering effective

 

[Junaids]

Junaids is a sucker for partaking in gossip and conspiracies

I wrote from the stands at Durban and PE that reverse swing after 27 overs was strongly indicative of ball tampering on a massive scale.

That’s not a conspiracy theory. It’s a fact. How could the guys bowling the ball not know that it was reversing 30 overs too soon?

 

[hk031992]

There’s a deeper problem too.

Steve Smith is actually a very decent man. But he was completely unsuited to the captaincy: he is not intelligent enough, he is not tough enough, he’s not worldly-wise enough and he’s anxious, full of nervous tics and too obsessed with his own batting.

Smith was a weak skipper as a result. He’s a follower, not a leader, like Ross Taylor.

Putting him as skipper with two bullies as coach and vice captain was just asking big for trouble.

you are spot on. Smith has the mental strength to be a great batsman. He never had the mental strength to command a team.

A captain is someone who commands respect by his mere presence. Smith is a great player but he is a follower, not a leader.

 

[IAJ]

Unlikely IMO. Even if Warner's international career was to be over, he will still have a future as a freelancer across T20 leagues for next 4-5 years. Him naming names now could end up jeopardizing those chances.

Lols, if he finally tells the truth then doors would be shut? What Logic is that, people want the truth.

 

[dragon751]

They all need NOC from the board.

are you sure ? how did KP play in all the franchises after his bust up with the ECB?

 

[JattMaula]

My only advice to Warner is this timeless quote:

“Only Thing You Have to Fear Is Fear Itself”

Do it David, do it. Shine the light on the dirty deeds of your teammates. Let there be truth and only truth.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

My only advice to Warner is this timeless quote:

“Only Thing You Have to Fear Is Fear Itself”

Do it David, do it. Shine the light on the dirty deeds of your teammates. Let there be truth and only truth.

Yeah hoping for CA hypocrisy to come out.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Warner is a tool but if he takes down CA with him, it's all good.

 

[rhony]

are you sure ? how did KP play in all the franchises after his bust up with the ECB?

ECB issued an NOC for him. Boards typically don't deprive a livelihood

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Unlikely IMO. Even if Warner's international career was to be over, he will still have a future as a freelancer across T20 leagues for next 4-5 years. Him naming names now could end up jeopardizing those chances.

Pas du tout, it would only jeopardize his chances of playing the BBL. The other T20 leagues, including the IPL, won't care a jot.

ECB issued an NOC for him. Boards typically don't deprive a livelihood

Well then Warner would likely stay shut cos CA won't give him NOC if he reveals all.

Interesting.

 

[Varun]

Smith was a weak skipper as a result. He’s a follower, not a leader, like Ross Taylor.

I hope you're calling Ross Taylor a follower and not a leader, otherwise you'd be completely wrong.

 

[Varun]

Cricket Australia have not been honest with the public at all. A leadership group surely has to be more than two people, and Lehmann should not be let off scot-free either. As for the claim that this was the first and only time they had tried to do something illegal, let's be real: it clearly is not.

If Warner is the guy who can shed light on all this, no matter who he takes down with him, I'm all for it. Some would say it's in his interest as well.

 

[rhony]

Well then Warner would likely stay shut cos CA won't give him NOC if he reveals all.

Interesting.

Yep. That's the carrot they will dangle in front of him I think. He would be an idiot not to take the deal

 

[rhony]

Cricket Australia have not been honest with the public at all. A leadership group surely has to be more than two people, and Lehmann should not be let off scot-free either. As for the claim that this was the first and only time they had tried to do something illegal, let's be real: it clearly is not.

If Warner is the guy who can shed light on all this, no matter who he takes down with him, I'm all for it. Some would say it's in his interest as well.

Lie 1: Bancroft showing googles wipe instead of sandpaper
Lie 2: Smith Indicating that Leadership team discussed about it during lunch and Bancroft overheard it
Lie 3: Bancroft insisting that its a sticky tape
Lie 4: Aussie press indicating that Smith was innocent and Warner was the mastermind
Lie 5: Supposed Leadership group is not at fault. It's only Smith and Warner
Lie 6: Lehmann didn't know about it and was merely asking a 12th man to find out what the **** was going on
Lie 7: Smith insisting that "as far as he knows" the ball was never tampered under his watch
Lie 8: Mitchell Starc is injured

 

[Varun]

Well then Warner would likely stay shut cos CA won't give him NOC if he reveals all.

Interesting.

Which still doesn't stop him from writing it in a book at some point later on.

But the story is hot now, not three years from now.

 

[IndianFan2018]

you are spot on. Smith has the mental strength to be a great batsman. He never had the mental strength to command a team.

A captain is someone who commands respect by his mere presence. Smith is a great player but he is a follower, not a leader.

Read Border, S. Waugh, and to some extent even Michael Clarke had that certainly not Steve Smith

 

[cricketjoshila]

Well then Warner would likely stay shut cos CA won't give him NOC if he reveals all.

Interesting.

He will then drag CA to court for denying him the right to earn a living. If Warner opens his mouth there is little CA can do.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

He will then drag CA to court for denying him the right to earn a living. If Warner opens his mouth there is little CA can do.

Yeah possible but why didn't Sreeshant do that to BCCI after they declined giving him NOC for playing Scotland league?

 

[BunnyRabbit]

It will sound pretty selfish, but after ban, we might see Warner and Smith in PSL as they will have to fight hard to earn their place in the team, if it has to happen.

 

[rhony]

Yeah possible but why didn't Sreeshant do that to BCCI after they declined giving him NOC for playing Scotland league?

Something to do with labor laws in each country.

 

[fawad_wellwisher]

Who knows there might be some back room deals going on with Warner and CA to find a common ground if that is the case.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yeah possible but why didn't Sreeshant do that to BCCI after they declined giving him NOC for playing Scotland league?

Is warner convicted of match fixing? Punish him for speaking the truth?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Something to do with labor laws in each country.

Not labour laws. Sreesanth has sued the bcci for violating his fundamental rights. Right to follow your profession is a basic right under Indian law.

But Sree is guilty or atleast accused of match fixing. What will CA punish warnwr for? Letting out the truth?

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Is warner convicted of match fixing? Punish him for speaking the truth?

Sreeshant was let off by the court. So dont see how BCCI would hav a case in the court of law?

So im curious. Never understood why BCCI NOC was needed...and why Sreeshant never filed a lawsuit?

If he has filed a case, what happ to it?

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

I mean needing NOC for a non contracted player.

Puts players under the board's mercy in the end.

Not that Sree deserves mercy but still.

 

[rhony]

Not labour laws. Sreesanth has sued the bcci for violating his fundamental rights. Right to follow your profession is a basic right under Indian law.

But Sree is guilty or atleast accused of match fixing. What will CA punish warnwr for? Letting out the truth?

Letting out the truth and dig himself deeper? The issue is also with credibility and he has none. This seems to be a carefully orchestrated operation so far considering Warner also received the same punishment as Smith. The reports indicated that he was about to get a life ban. If at all, Warner implicates his entire team of tampering for a while, Smith would lose the sympathy he got after his press meet. He reiterated that this was a one off instance. Will be interesting to see what happens.

 

[Itachi]

Not labour laws. Sreesanth has sued the bcci for violating his fundamental rights. Right to follow your profession is a basic right under Indian law.

But Sree is guilty or atleast accused of match fixing. What will CA punish warnwr for? Letting out the truth?

Whistle blowers generally go through punishment if they remain in the system but for different cause. It's not hard to find fault in someone and then punish him for reasons excluding the relevant one.

 

[Last Monetarist]

They all need NOC from the board.

There are several West Indian players with an axe to grind with the WICB who are all playing franchise cricket. It won't be an issue at all.

 

[hk031992]

Lie 1: Bancroft showing googles wipe instead of sandpaper
Lie 2: Smith Indicating that Leadership team discussed about it during lunch and Bancroft overheard it
Lie 3: Bancroft insisting that its a sticky tape
Lie 4: Aussie press indicating that Smith was innocent and Warner was the mastermind
Lie 5: Supposed Leadership group is not at fault. It's only Smith and Warner
Lie 6: Lehmann didn't know about it and was merely asking a 12th man to find out what the **** was going on
Lie 7: Smith insisting that "as far as he knows" the ball was never tampered under his watch
Lie 8: Mitchell Starc is injured

Why is Starc missing IPL?

 

[rhony]

Why is Starc missing IPL?

SMith and Warner are missing too. There is no way in heck Starc isn't part of tampering

 

[rhony]

There are several West Indian players with an axe to grind with the WICB who are all playing franchise cricket. It won't be an issue at all.

And they all have NOC from their board. WICB doesn't want to anger BCCI

 

[hk031992]

SMith and Warner are missing too. There is no way in heck Starc isn't part of tampering

True. But it doesn't change that they covered up for their bowlers. There is no reason for Starc to miss IPL barring injury.

 

[rhony]

True. But it doesn't change that they covered up for their bowlers. There is no reason for Starc to miss IPL barring injury.

Lying low I guess. There wasn't any indication of his supposed injury until later

 

[AssassinatedDevil]

He won't be saying anything anytime soon. Today's press conference showed how he is clearly on the defensive and fears not playing for his country again. One word against his teammates and he can kiss the baggie green goodbye!

 

[RainMan_]

CA has become a complete joke. Banning and ridiculing their own players just because they did a simple ball tempering which has been going on in cricket for years.

Rules r there to be followed and icc has already punished them for their crime, but what CA is doing now is absolutely hilarious.

 

[Oligochaetes]

He didnt name anyone. I think he has realized his mistake and is genuinely remorseful.

 

[Savak]

CA has become a complete joke. Banning and ridiculing their own players just because they did a simple ball tempering which has been going on in cricket for years.

Rules r there to be followed and icc has already punished them for their crime, but what CA is doing now is absolutely hilarious.

Nope. It is perfectly justified. For far too long Australians have bullied others, preached too others, judged others, humiliated others.

Secondly Cricket Australia was under massive pressure from their Prime Minister, Australian Cricket Community, Australian General Public, Australian Media and Business Sponsors.

These Australian ex cricketers sympathizing with the players would have been indifferent had this happened to a Pakistani player.

 

[Savak]

He didnt name anyone. I think he has realized his mistake and is genuinely remorseful.

No he is not. None of them are. If anything they are upset at being caught in the act and now suffering the consequences. They are trying to resurrect their careers and remain in contention for an Australian recall the moment their bans are over. Don't be fooled by these fake crocodile tears. Had they truly cared about the game, their image, fans and the public, they would have cleaned up their act ages ago.

 

[IndianFan2018]

No he is not. None of them are. If anything they are upset at being caught in the act and now suffering the consequences. They are trying to resurrect their careers and remain in contention for an Australian recall the moment their bans are over. Don't be fooled by these fake crocodile tears. Had they truly cared about the game, their image, fans and the public, they would have cleaned up their act ages ago.

When fixers can get second chance ..Why not these guys ?

 

[Savak]

When fixers can get second chance ..Why not these guys ?

Lol what second chance, Asif and Butt are never going to play for Pakistan again

 

[RainMan_]

Nope. It is perfectly justified. For far too long Australians have bullied others, preached too others, judged others, humiliated others.

What Australians have done in the past have got nothing to do with the current situation. U can't give different punishment to different people for the same crime. CA is acting stupidly to appease the enraged people.

Secondly Cricket Australia was under massive pressure from their Prime Minister, Australian Cricket Community, Australian General Public, Australian Media and Business Sponsors.

That's the problem. All of them have got blinded by this mass hysteria, and have blown a simple incident out of proportion. At the end of the day it's just a simple ball tempering. What's next. Would u also propose to bann batsmen who don't walk by themselves after getting out even though they know that they've nicked ball. This is all about perception.

Australian prime minister can't decide the punishment of a cricketer. Its the job of icc. Icc have founded Smith and warner guilty of ball tempering and punished them accordingly. What's CA is doing now is stupid and unacceptable.

These Australian ex cricketers sympathizing with the players would have been indifferent had this happened to a Pakistani player.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. Afridi did bite the ball and got banned for two t20s only. Pakistani bowlers from 90s also did their fare share of ball tempering.

 

[IndianFan2018]

Lol what second chance, Asif and Butt are never going to play for Pakistan again

Lol, you know about whom I was talking about ?

Even and Steve Waugh had some history with bookies..

 

[Savak]

Lol, you know about whom I was talking about ?

Even and Steve Waugh had some history with bookies..

Ofcourse which is why i always found it laughable to see these pansy Aussies giving lectures to the world about the "Line" and the "Spirit of the game"

 

[Convict]

[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION], Junaids
You are missing the whole game mate.

Cricket Australia want Warner to appeal so why would Warner spill the beans?

The bans are truely massive and CA has looked strong on this to the sponsors and public has gone from outrage to sympathy.

Smith can't appeal because he is the golden boy who will return to the team.

Warner can appeal and he will appeal on the basis that the suspension is excessive compared to the legal precedent.

CA will lose the appeal and then will have a press conference saying that they accept the courts decision that the bans are excessive. Then they will reduce Smith's punishment as well saying that since Warner's ban was excessive than so is Smith's.

Smith misses the India tour but still has plenty of time for world cup and Ashes.

 

[Convict]

Lol, you know about whom I was talking about ?

Even and Steve Waugh had some history with bookies..

Mark not Steve.

 

[IndianFan2018]

Mark not Steve.

Thanks for correction

 

[light]

it would be hard to believe that only they would know about it and not the bowlers. I just don't buy it

 

[GrandMaster]

Unlikely IMO. Even if Warner's international career was to be over, he will still have a future as a freelancer across T20 leagues for next 4-5 years. Him naming names now could end up jeopardizing those chances.

Not sure about other leagues but he along with Steve Smith definitely not playing in IPL again.

 

[IndianFan2018]

Not sure about other leagues but he along with Steve Smith definitely not playing in IPL again.

Steve Smith will play next year IPL after ban duration for sure.

Royals avoided going for Joe Root to avoid accomodating both No. 3 batsman next year, hence went for Klassen. Also Royals have blocked ₹ 12.5 CR payment allotted for !

 

[Pete Rose]

I think they will want a civil parting. Goes without saying that the bowlers would know.

 

[buzzing]

Game theory suggests that the optimal answer is that CA will promise Warner a return to International cricket at some point as long as he promises not to name any more names.

Warner knows that if he names names then Sutherland is gone (which he would like...). But he will never play again. So will comply...