CS Inzamam-ul-Haq & Coach Mickey Arthur v CS & Coach Misbah-ul-Haq

[Kroll]

So we've had a couple of series under the management of Misbah following Mickey Arthur's non-renewal of contract. Of course there's always better alternatives.

But out of the two leadership groups, which one do you prefer? I would like to add a poll @mods.

 

[Markhor]

It's like comparing ice cream to horse manure.

Yes Inzy and Mickey had their faults but we were never humiliated to this extent.

 

[Hawkeye]

Our fans can't be trusted.

They want experienced "seniors" to be dropped. And Young folks selected. When it's done, they again whine and want immediate results from the first series. Which is highly unlikely with the initial inexperience.

Malik - dropped
Sarfraz - dropped
Hafeez - dropped
Naseem - included
Rizwan - included (pp favorite)


These are revolutionary changes and benefits will be reaped in some time.

We're going with developing young players strategy.

Fans are angry and want immediate results.

 

[Shazzam]

Mickey and Inzi were way better. This management can’t hold candle to them.

 

[Syed1]

I used to criticize Inzi and Mickey alot, but even on their worst day they weren't as bad as this useless Misbah. I'm just counting the day where he is unceremoniously booted out as happened during his playing days.

 

[Syed1]

It's like comparing ice cream to horse manure.

Yes Inzy and Mickey had their faults but we were never humiliated to this extent.

Good analogy.

 

[HGhazanfar]

Misbah just keeps selecting useless players his favorites. So far we have seen Imran Khan, Iftikhar and M Irfan Sr. Soon we will see Rahat Ali.

Rizwan and Naseem Shah were good moves, but Naseem was already recognized by PCB before Misbah even took charge and Rizwan was already being pushed by Inzi. What has Misbah really done???

Thank you PM Imran Khan - you are all talk and then you appoint Misbah who is weak mentally and can not play attacking cricket. Under Mickey even if we lost at least we saw our team fight.

 

[Hasan123]

We can do all these comparisons but it doesn't change the fact we are rubbish. I'm sorry but we need to concentrate on why we are not good enough rather than worrying about coaches and chief selectors.

Mickey Arthur is a brilliant developer of players but has proven to be a failure tactically. Inzi is a toxic character who plays favourites.

Also we need to stop saying Azhar vs Sarfraz and Mickey vs Misbah when they are all trying to do the best for Pakistan. I don't see Indian fans saying Kohli vs Kapil or Australian fans saying Paine vs Waugh etc.

 

[superman]

Guarantee, MA and Inzi would never have:

Dropped Abbas
Selected Unc Iftekhar
Selected M Irfan in T20’s vs SL
Selected Shahzad and Umar Akmal
Made excuses like tuk tuk

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

Guarantee, MA and Inzi would never have:

Dropped Abbas
Selected Unc Iftekhar
Selected M Irfan in T20’s vs SL
Selected Shahzad and Umar Akmal
Made excuses like tuk tuk

Its like 2015 all over again. The Waqar and Misbah show.

 

[Kroll]

We can do all these comparisons but it doesn't change the fact we are rubbish. I'm sorry but we need to concentrate on why we are not good enough rather than worrying about coaches and chief selectors.

Mickey Arthur is a brilliant developer of players but has proven to be a failure tactically. Inzi is a toxic character who plays favourites.

Also we need to stop saying Azhar vs Sarfraz and Mickey vs Misbah when they are all trying to do the best for Pakistan. I don't see Indian fans saying Kohli vs Kapil or Australian fans saying Paine vs Waugh etc.

These are valid points but polls are a useful tool in obtaining a snapshot to gauge the current mood of the fan base. They've always been a part of these boards.

 

[topspin]

Our fans can't be trusted.

They want experienced "seniors" to be dropped. And Young folks selected. When it's done, they again whine and want immediate results from the first series. Which is highly unlikely with the initial inexperience.

Malik - dropped
Sarfraz - dropped
Hafeez - dropped
Naseem - included
Rizwan - included (pp favorite)


These are revolutionary changes and benefits will be reaped in some time.

We're going with developing young players strategy.

Fans are angry and want immediate results.

Sorry I thought Rizwan wasn't good enough to make the Afghanistan team? - and it's obvious you still don't rate him lol.

 

[Shafi]

Misbah fans are more interested in Misbah than improvement in Pakistan team.
Micky/Inzi was bad but Misbah will end up destroy Pakistan cricket. Wait 3 years + another 3 years of extension (Big thanks to con artist W Khan) we will be not even no. 10 in any format.
But Misbah's fans really don't feel any bad even if we loose matches. Either they are in delusion (if they have any love for Pakistan cricket) or just vengeful to see our cricket getting destroyed and laughed at us.

Where is Misbah's most loyal fan "Major"? Did he wake up from delusion?

 

[Khan12]

Sorry I thought Rizwan wasn't good enough to make the Afghanistan team? - and it's obvious you still don't rate him lol.

Rizwan (Outscored misbah in his first series of Australia) not being good enough for Afganistan team is another debate. But, one thing is for certain , misbah is not good enough to even coach Kenya U13s let alone Pakistan team.

 

[topspin]

Rizwan (Outscored misbah in his first series of Australia) not being good enough for Afganistan team is another debate. But, one thing is for certain , misbah is not good enough to even coach Kenya U13s let alone Pakistan team.

After 5 tests in Australia, Misbah managed a poultry 152 runs in 20 innings at an average of 16.89.

Whereas Rizwan after 2 tests, has managed 177 runs (even after being dismissed off an illegal delivery) in 2 tests in four innings at an average of 44.25.

But that won't stop Hawkeye shamelessly spout his nonsense against Pakistan's wicket-keeper.

 

[Khan12]

After 5 tests in Australia, Misbah managed a poultry 152 runs in 20 innings at an average of 16.89.

Whereas Rizwan after 2 tests, has managed 177 runs (even after being dismissed off an illegal delivery) in 2 tests in four innings at an average of 44.25.

But that won't stop Hawkeye shamelessly spout his nonsense against Pakistan's wicket-keeper.

What can you expect from a guy who is a misbah fan and on top an akmal fan too.

 

[topspin]

After 5 tests in Australia, Misbah managed a poultry 152 runs in 20 innings at an average of 16.89.

Whereas Rizwan after 2 tests, has managed 177 runs (even after being dismissed off an illegal delivery) in 2 tests in four innings at an average of 44.25.

But that won't stop Hawkeye shamelessly spout his nonsense against Pakistan's wicket-keeper.

*10 innings

 

[Abdullah]

Our fans can't be trusted.

They want experienced "seniors" to be dropped. And Young folks selected. When it's done, they again whine and want immediate results from the first series. Which is highly unlikely with the initial inexperience.

Malik - dropped
Sarfraz - dropped
Hafeez - dropped
Naseem - included
Rizwan - included (pp favorite)


These are revolutionary changes and benefits will be reaped in some time.

We're going with developing young players strategy.

Fans are angry and want immediate results.

Hang on stop conflating tests and Odis. Hafeez got dropped from test side in SA tour

Malik was always retiring post world cup from Odis and hasn't played tests for a while. ( He will be back for the T20s)

And sarfaraz shouldn't have been dropped from T20.

So yes good to include naseem and Rizwan in tests, but compensated by chacha ifti and chacha Imran

Plus handing over the test reigns to Azhar after having done the same in Odis previously

 

[Hasan123]

These are valid points but polls are a useful tool in obtaining a snapshot to gauge the current mood of the fan base. They've always been a part of these boards.

It doesn't matter at the end of the day. Them failing means Pakistan is failing so no use in comparisons.

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

The best possible combination for Pakistan is CS Misbah & Coach Mickey.

 

[octavian]

It's like comparing ice cream to horse manure.

Yes Inzy and Mickey had their faults but we were never humiliated to this extent.

well said

 

[MenInG]

Well, given the number of times Fawad Alam has not been selected, this squad is as revolutionary as it gets!

 

[Savak]

If Fawad Alam was not good enough to be selected for the last 5-6 years, why is he being selected now? It's not like his domestic performances are any different unless this is an admission that previous selectors were not fair to him.

Don't forget Misbah was the captain from 2010-2017.

 

[ZamanFan]

Riduculous poll, there is no difference between Misbah and Inzamam. Both have installed their family and friends in the national side, and blocked domestic performers on merit. Both have devastated Pakistani batting lineup just to protect club level players like Imam and iftikhar ir selfish jokes like Asad Shafiq. Shafiq retention is one pathetic decision made by Mickey Arthur.

 

[Abdul]

Looks like Misbah is going to win the battle tomorrow!

It's going to be a sad day for all the Mickey lovers who were praying for Pakistan to lose. I hope their lives become even more miserable.

 

[Shazzam]

Looks like Misbah is going to win the battle tomorrow!

It's going to be a sad day for all the Mickey lovers who were praying for Pakistan to lose. I hope their lives become even more miserable.

In the end Mickey won since these centuries will do more damage to Pakistan than Sri-Lanka.

 

[Abdul]

In the end Mickey won since these centuries will do more damage to Pakistan than Sri-Lanka.

Lmao

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

Looks like Misbah is going to win the battle tomorrow!

It's going to be a sad day for all the Mickey lovers who were praying for Pakistan to lose. I hope their lives become even more miserable.

Misbah is not fit enough to tie Arthur's laces

Arthur and Sarfraz have more ICC trophies than Misbah, Azhar and Waqar combined.

 

[Abdul]

Misbah is not fit enough to tie Arthur's laces.

It's the other way around. Misbah showed Arthur his aukat with a kick up his backside and no one could do anything about it. Just shows you the clown Arthur's worth.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Looks like Misbah is going to win the battle tomorrow!

It's going to be a sad day for all the Mickey lovers who were praying for Pakistan to lose. I hope their lives become even more miserable.

Pakistan won due to the players selected under Mickey. Pretty much every player that Misbah selected has been a disaster.

 

[Abdul]

Pakistan won due to the players selected under Mickey. Pretty much every player that Misbah selected has been a disaster.

I definitely don't agree with some of his selection such as the trundler Imran but Naseem did make his debut under Misbah. At least he hasn't brought back Rahat yet.

 

[FreePalestine]

Iftikhar for LOI’s, Abid in tests, Alam in the squad, Naseem Shah, Rizwan all good choices so far.

Azhar for test captaincy, reasonable choice given alternatives.

Bad decisions:

Akmal; Imran Khan Snr.; handling of Abbas poor form; apparently not picking Nauman Ali, who is doing well - can Kashif play ahead of Yasir now?; Babar Azam T20 captaincy before a major world event. Should have been Imad; not picking Shinwari for Aus.

I am giving Misbah the benefit of the doubt so far because happy he is at least openly discussing all selection questions in front of the media, and it appears, from Fawad Alam’s selection, that no one is ‘off limits’ anymore. Hoping for more meritocratic selection in Pakistan. But definitely, has made some mistakes so far. Hope he doesn’t pick Rahat next...

 

[topspin]

Pakistan won due to the players selected under Mickey. Pretty much every player that Misbah selected has been a disaster.

Precisely this. Those players were nurtured and developed under Mickey Arthur who is renowned for his player development ever since he was South Africa's Head Coach.

Misbah fans have no shame.

 

[emranabbas]

anyone can win you day 3 on a Karachi flat track nothing to do with misbah.

Misbah fans are so shameless

 

[Markhor]

Anyone else missing the Mickey and Inzy era ? Yes we were still a flawed and inconsistent side but at least there was always something positive to take.

Two Test series drawn away to England, chasing 300 outside Asia for first time ever in an ODI, a famous Test series win in the Caribbean, CT17, brutally whitewashing SRL in ODIs in UAE, scoring 300 for fun in ODIs finally playing modern brand of cricket, winning 30 of 37 T20Is on way to #1 in rankings, and fielding like demons under Steve Rixon.

A whole slew of youngsters being backed, most notably Babar Azam and Shaheen Afridi.

Should've inducted better spinners but unfortunately Inzamam had to rely on corrupt Tauseef Ahmed and Wajahatullah Wasti who was a useless player himself.

Wonder how they'd have done with the new domestic structure. Now we've returned to 2015/6 era under Misbah and Waqar with unremitting gloom.

 

[Markhor]

Lord's 2018 was one of the best away Test performances from Pakistan.

Even English commentators were taken aback at just how well drilled and disciplined in all departments we were.

Relentless line and lengths from Amir, Abbas and Ali. Caught brilliantly especially in the slips. Batted with patience and good awareness of offstump, and played positively against old ball.

You couldn't pick an individual MOTM, it was such a good team effort. Misbah and Waqar would be lucky to even match half of that performance.

 

[Kaddy]

Anyone else missing the Mickey and Inzy era ? Yes we were still a flawed and inconsistent side but at least there was always something positive to take.

Two Test series drawn away to England, chasing 300 outside Asia for first time ever in an ODI, a famous Test series win in the Caribbean, CT17, brutally whitewashing SRL in ODIs in UAE, scoring 300 for fun in ODIs finally playing modern brand of cricket, winning 30 of 37 T20Is on way to #1 in rankings, and fielding like demons under Steve Rixon.

A whole slew of youngsters being backed, most notably Babar Azam and Shaheen Afridi.

Should've inducted better spinners but unfortunately Inzamam had to rely on corrupt Tauseef Ahmed and Wajahatullah Wasti who was a useless player himself.

Wonder how they'd have done with the new domestic structure. Now we've returned to 2015/6 era under Misbah and Waqar with unremitting gloom.

It was indeed a golden era.

But

Even then we lost both test series 5-0 in Australia & New Zealand. Lost ODi series to New Zealand 5-0 and 4-1 by Australia.

Lost a test series in UAE for the first time in many years to Sri Lanka 2-0.

Lost a home series in UAE against New Zealand for the first time in almost 50 years.

Lost in South Africa 3-0. ODis series 5-0 in UAE against Australia & 4-0 in England.

Plus Asia cup humiliation, where we couldn't even qualify for the final.

As far as 2016 England tour is concerned, Mickey gave its credit to Waqar as he himself had just joined Pakistan team.

CT17 was a big achievement but apart from that it was a mediocre show overall.

Our fans need to stop taking t20 bilaterals seriously.

 

[El Generico]

Inzamam/Mickey/Sarfaraz was probably the best combination we had in a while. I am not sure why we tore everything done despite having a pretty decent WC. Pakistan only missed out on the Semis based on their NRR and considering our team that was not a bad result.

 

[Titan24]

Mickey and Inzi weren't perfect and made mistakes in their tenures too but, their tenure despite being mediocre as well in terms of overall results looks few notches above the current one considering how bad overall selection policy and combinations of Misbah have been.

 

[Kroll]

The fruits of putting a newbie who doesn't understand modern cricket in charge are coming to bear.

 

[The Viper]

Anyone else missing the Mickey and Inzy era ? Yes we were still a flawed and inconsistent side but at least there was always something positive to take.

Two Test series drawn away to England, chasing 300 outside Asia for first time ever in an ODI, a famous Test series win in the Caribbean, CT17, brutally whitewashing SRL in ODIs in UAE, scoring 300 for fun in ODIs finally playing modern brand of cricket, winning 30 of 37 T20Is on way to #1 in rankings, and fielding like demons under Steve Rixon.

A whole slew of youngsters being backed, most notably Babar Azam and Shaheen Afridi.

Should've inducted better spinners but unfortunately Inzamam had to rely on corrupt Tauseef Ahmed and Wajahatullah Wasti who was a useless player himself.

Wonder how they'd have done with the new domestic structure. Now we've returned to 2015/6 era under Misbah and Waqar with unremitting gloom.

Under Mickey we were showing progress and competing at the very least.

Under this regime, there is no fight and no proper development or nurturing of talent.

We are back to playing ancient cricket and there is no vision implemented.

Getting rid of Mickey was an horrendous decision - its not like our Test team has improved and our LO sides have regressed badly.