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CT 2017 : The Champions Trophy Speedwatch

TalentSpotterPk said:
[MENTION=23613]90MPH[/MENTION] [MENTION=140354]speedking[/MENTION] [MENTION=131603]pacesensation[/MENTION] [MENTION=161]161[/MENTION] [MENTION=95477]Rightarmfast[/MENTION]


Uptil now


Milne 149.9

Wahab 149.6

Rabada 149.2

Cummins 149.1

Starc 148.6

Bumrah 147.3

Wood 147.1

Hasan 146.3
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Bumrah - 148 kph
Umesh Yadav - 148 kph
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
[MENTION=23613]90MPH[/MENTION] [MENTION=140354]speedking[/MENTION] [MENTION=131603]pacesensation[/MENTION] [MENTION=161]161[/MENTION] [MENTION=95477]Rightarmfast[/MENTION]





Milne 149.9

Wahab 149.6

Rabada 149.2

Cummins 149.1

Starc 148.6

Bumrah 147.3

Wood 147.1

Hasan 146.3
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Those figures aside I think only Starc is bowling consistent express pace. - above
Or around 90MPH.

The rest are hovering around 140kph pace which is still very good as long as they have other attributes like accuracy/swing/bounce.
 
90MPH said:
Those figures aside I think only Starc is bowling consistent express pace. - above
Or around 90MPH.

The rest are hovering around 140kph pace which is still very good as long as they have other attributes like accuracy/swing/bounce.
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That you will have to post Average pace of all these pacers to establish this claim :)


I did not watch Australian team bowl.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
That you will have to post Average pace of all these pacers to establish this claim :)


I did not watch Australian team bowl.
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Which I don't have but just a personal observation.

Milne was bowling consistent express pace about a year ago but no so much these days - maybe he doesn't want to get injured.
 
Rabada quick. His team is out.
Starc quick. His team is out.
Milne quick. His team is out.

Bowling fast cannot necessarily get you wickets and make your team win, even if your team is ranked world number 1 or 2.
 
So Junaid is the slowest bowler in the team and people were calling Fahim a trundler? Please give your youngsters a few chances. They are proving to be much better than your TTF's.
 
It is heartening to see 147 kmph plus deliveries being bowled by Indian pacers.
 
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Indian bowlers have bowled fastest of 148, not 147.

No offence, but Junaid's action looks suspicious. Looks a bit like chucking.
 
Starc is by far the fastest bowler in the world, his average speed is always close to 90mph even in Tests.

In Test he is by far the fastest on average, as lots of these other speedsters cant maintain there pace over more than 4 overs.
 
in 200 years of cricket, still India couldn't produce single fast bowler.. haahhhahhaha

I mean a bowler who can bowl three consecutive deliveries with speed over 150 hhahhahahha
 
MajidBhuta-AamirFan said:
in 200 years of cricket, still India couldn't produce single fast bowler.. haahhhahhaha

I mean a bowler who can bowl three consecutive deliveries with speed over 150 hhahhahahha
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It's funny seeing PCT fans laughing at others teams for whatsoever reason..! But this guy has a point.

Hardly a worry, though, given that while bowling phaaaast may give clueless fans a boner or two once in awhile, it's not a must-have quality to win matches.
 
In 2003 world cup, Pakistan had Shoaib Akhtar bowling lots of 150 kmph deliveries, but Pakistan lost most of their matches and got eliminated in the group stage itself. Batsmen like Tendulkar, Sehwag, Symonds etc feasted on his 150 kmph deliveries.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
Average speed 130.3 kph

Fastest speed 138.9 kph
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Thanks, A bit Suprised at his average speed. I thought he was gaining more pace since his debut Versus the West Indies. I hope it's just lack of Match practise.

What do u think, Should he keep his place for the final?
 
MajidBhuta-AamirFan said:
in 200 years of cricket, still India couldn't produce single fast bowler.. haahhhahhaha

I mean a bowler who can bowl three consecutive deliveries with speed over 150 hhahhahahha
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Actually Varun Aaron bowls over 150 quite consistently. However, who cares when India thrashes Pakistan regularly in the biggest games, 11-0 in the ICC World Cups currently.

And your fastest bowler Riaz "retired hurt" after being thrashed by Indian batsment recently.
 
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Finisher said:
Thanks, A bit Suprised at his average speed. I thought he was gaining more pace since his debut Versus the West Indies. I hope it's just lack of Match practise.

What do u think, Should he keep his place for the final?
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Its down because of slower balls.


Depends on wicket. Amir would most likely replace him which will be fair move.
 
Hamza_ said:
[MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] Do you think Rumman can clock 140-145?
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ill answer to this too

and yes he can reach 140 but he shouldn't actually strive for pace. his quality is his ability to read the game and stay one step ahead of the batsman.

he is a street smart bowler who can become a death overs specialist and that is what he should be working on.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
Its down because of slower balls.


Depends on wicket. Amir would most likely replace him which will be fair move.
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If he increases his pace then his slower deliveries will be more dangerous.
From Cricinfo-His last game was 48-49 days ago.
 
Fit Wahab Riaz would have easily crossed 150 atleast twice per match on these pitches. He was also the FASTEST bowler in WC 2015 with his 154.5 kph he bowled to dhoni followed by ~ 153 kph in QF. Wahab Riaz also bowled around 95 mph in England tour. Followed by Zahid, Shoaib, Sami, he is the fastest bowler pakistan has ever produced (Waqar was same in his youth in terms of pace).

may be someone else may have noticed that too but after his fathers death and constant injuries, lack of form ... wahab has become a changed person as it seems to me. The passionate hostile boy that he used to be is now replaced by a weak smiling broken man on decline. Rise of Hasan ali and return of Junaid may also have affected him mentally which was bound to happen because minus the pace he never was technically comparable to any of the Amir, Junaid and Hasan trio.

On the other hand, Junaid is back to being Junaid except his pace has dropped 5 kph atleast.

I think from Pakistan tournaments fastest is still Wahab at 149.6 followed by Hasan Ali at 146.3 kph. What has been injury carrying Amirs fastest pace so far in CT ?

Rumman Raees reminds me of jade dernbach from England. He can bowl fast but wont. He likes to mix it up.

It was nice to see Faheem Ashraf keeping it on 86 mph against Lanka. A side on straight wrist 4th seamer allrounder who can bowl fast is a blessing in disguise for pakistan.
 
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TalentSpotterPk said:
Umesh Yadav 148.1

Bumrah 147.6
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With Wahab out, these two will be the fastest two bowlers in the final.

The next group in terms of speed will be Amir, Ali, Bhuvi and Pandya. I think Junaid will be a bit slower than these 4.
 
Bumrah is next big thing for India.

Always thought he was some middling trundler judging from his weak body language, but that is serious pace. Good for him, looks like a well behaved kid, wish him all the best.
 
MesonK said:
Fit Wahab Riaz would have easily crossed 150 atleast twice per match on these pitches. He was also the FASTEST bowler in WC 2015 with his 154.5 kph he bowled to dhoni followed by ~ 153 kph in QF. Wahab Riaz also bowled around 95 mph in England tour. Followed by Zahid, Shoaib, Sami, he is the fastest bowler pakistan has ever produced (Waqar was same in his youth in terms of pace).

may be someone else may have noticed that too but after his fathers death and constant injuries, lack of form ... wahab has become a changed person as it seems to me. The passionate hostile boy that he used to be is now replaced by a weak smiling broken man on decline. Rise of Hasan ali and return of Junaid may also have affected him mentally which was bound to happen because minus the pace he never was technically comparable to any of the Amir, Junaid and Hasan trio.

On the other hand, Junaid is back to being Junaid except his pace has dropped 5 kph atleast.

I think from Pakistan tournaments fastest is still Wahab at 149.6 followed by Hasan Ali at 146.3 kph. What has been injury carrying Amirs fastest pace so far in CT ?

Rumman Raees reminds me of jade dernbach from England. He can bowl fast but wont. He likes to mix it up.

It was nice to see Faheem Ashraf keeping it on 86 mph against Lanka. A side on straight wrist 4th seamer allrounder who can bowl fast is a blessing in disguise for pakistan.
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Yet for all his pace, the Wabster is still treated like a bowling machine.

On the other hand bechara Hasan Ali was getting criticized before the tournament and even in his first few games in internationals as being too short, too slow, too friendly, yet he is bowler of the tournament. "He will get smashed", "with his height he needs to average 40 with the bat"

But pace is pace, yaar. Only few posters stuck by him like yours truly and [MENTION=141557]Chief Destroyer[/MENTION].
 
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MesonK said:
Fit Wahab Riaz would have easily crossed 150 atleast twice per match on these pitches. He was also the FASTEST bowler in WC 2015 with his 154.5 kph he bowled to dhoni followed by ~ 153 kph in QF. Wahab Riaz also bowled around 95 mph in England tour. Followed by Zahid, Shoaib, Sami, he is the fastest bowler pakistan has ever produced (Waqar was same in his youth in terms of pace).

may be someone else may have noticed that too but after his fathers death and constant injuries, lack of form ... wahab has become a changed person as it seems to me. The passionate hostile boy that he used to be is now replaced by a weak smiling broken man on decline. Rise of Hasan ali and return of Junaid may also have affected him mentally which was bound to happen because minus the pace he never was technically comparable to any of the Amir, Junaid and Hasan trio.

On the other hand, Junaid is back to being Junaid except his pace has dropped 5 kph atleast.

I think from Pakistan tournaments fastest is still Wahab at 149.6 followed by Hasan Ali at 146.3 kph. What has been injury carrying Amirs fastest pace so far in CT ?

Rumman Raees reminds me of jade dernbach from England. He can bowl fast but wont. He likes to mix it up.

It was nice to see Faheem Ashraf keeping it on 86 mph against Lanka. A side on straight wrist 4th seamer allrounder who can bowl fast is a blessing in disguise for pakistan.
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Amir's fastest bowl has been 145.7 KM/h but he has averaged ~ 140 KM/h every game.
 
Expecting Amir to break the 150 KPH barrier in the final and hopefully Hasan Ali can crank it up to somewhere close too. Maybe Bumrah can come close to 150 too.
 
shebimalik said:
Amir coming back from injury should not look to break any barrier
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Perhaps but it was only a back spasm and not a shoulder injury and anyway, he's going to get a long, long break from cricket after this match. He can rest, work on his fitness and pace as much as he wants to.
 
ExpressPacer said:
Perhaps but it was only a back spasm and not a shoulder injury and anyway, he's going to get a long, long break from cricket after this match. He can rest, work on his fitness and pace as much as he wants to.
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He was supposed to play county cricket after CT?
 
ExpressPacer said:
Expecting Amir to break the 150 KPH barrier in the final and hopefully Hasan Ali can crank it up to somewhere close too. Maybe Bumrah can come close to 150 too.
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Tell me exactly why would someone experiment and try to bowl faster when all throughout, he has been getting wickets at around 135-140? Why would any bowler with sense try to experiment in the finals?
 
Rightarmfast said:
Tell me exactly why would someone experiment and try to bowl faster when all throughout, he has been getting wickets at around 135-140? Why would any bowler with sense try to experiment in the finals?
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Amir has been consistently bowling at 140 with the odd ball reaching 145. I don't think it's wrong to expect him to try and bowl faster in a more important game.
 
Speed is Useless... unless the bowler can bowl with control and is intelligent.

Varun Aaron still doesn't find a place in Team India
 
Rightarmfast said:
Tell me exactly why would someone experiment and try to bowl faster when all throughout, he has been getting wickets at around 135-140? Why would any bowler with sense try to experiment in the finals?
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Amir has not picked many wickets bowling at 140 in this tournament so it make sense to bowl your heart out.
 
shebimalik said:
He has not increased his a bit since England tour. He should be bowling faster than this.
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Given that Amir's injuries are getting more frequent, he is already bowling faster than his body can sustain.

He is not well built like Wahab, Akhtar or Yadav to bowl at these speeds for long.
 
Amir should not risk his career by trying to bowl at 150 kph. He has got pace, we know that, 17-18 years old amir bowled at ~152 kph (94.5 MPH) in 2009. He can easily break to 92 mph at will even now with injuries but I dont want that as a fan, I want him focusing on his strengths like line an length along with lateral movement at a decent pace of 87-90 mph. He has maintained that in this tournament and has bowled superbly.

Hasan Ali seems to be soon crossing 150 kph barrier. Since WI tour He has reached 147 kph like regularly with such smoothness. He has lots more pace despite a thin body because of a mechanically efficient action. With wahabs decline, pakistani pace battery needs his replacement but with more control. Someone who can break through 150 kp on will in every match and has better control.
 
Napa said:
Given that Amir's injuries are getting more frequent, he is already bowling faster than his body can sustain.

He is not well built like Wahab, Akhtar or Yadav to bowl at these speeds for long.
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MesonK said:
Amir should not risk his career by trying to bowl at 150 kph. He has got pace, we know that, 17-18 years old amir bowled at ~152 kph (94.5 MPH) in 2009. He can easily break to 92 mph at will even now with injuries but I dont want that as a fan, I want him focusing on his strengths like line an length along with lateral movement at a decent pace of 87-90 mph. He has maintained that in this tournament and has bowled superbly.

Hasan Ali seems to be soon crossing 150 kph barrier. Since WI tour He has reached 147 kph like regularly with such smoothness. He has lots more pace despite a thin body because of a mechanically efficient action. With wahabs decline, pakistani pace battery needs his replacement but with more control. Someone who can break through 150 kp on will in every match and has better control.
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I respect your opinions but i think to succeed on flat tracks he has to increase his pace. The ball is not swinging in England under cloud cover so I don't think it will swing anywhere else.
 
I am seeing a future groin stress injury for amir, his right hip/thigh is again collapsing while taking action and he is again moving a bit on the side on follow through after delivery. He has a very mechanically efficient action so he can get to speeds like 145-147 kph very easily but that doesn't mean he is physically producing that pace because of fitness of his body. I think bishop or someone mentioned that as well in WI tour that he starts collapsing on his right foot during action that puts extra stress on his thigh and this results in injury. When he does that he also starts to jump a bit more away from stumps. I think this is because he tries to create an angle otherwise what could be the reason ?
 
MesonK said:
I am seeing a future groin stress injury for amir, his right hip/thigh is again collapsing while taking action and he is again moving a bit on the side on follow through after delivery. He has a very mechanically efficient action so he can get to speeds like 145-147 kph very easily but that doesn't mean he is physically producing that pace because of fitness of his body. I think bishop or someone mentioned that as well in WI tour that he starts collapsing on his right foot during action that puts extra stress on his thigh and this results in injury. When he does that he also starts to jump a bit more away from stumps. I think this is because he tries to create an angle otherwise what could be the reason ?
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[MENTION=141557]Chief Destroyer[/MENTION]
 
Napa said:
Given that Amir's injuries are getting more frequent, he is already bowling faster than his body can sustain.

He is not well built like Wahab, Akhtar or Yadav to bowl at these speeds for long.
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Once again, too generous. Yadav and Bumrah are a level above Wahab and Akhtar. Whats with Indians being too nice to us these past few days leading up to the final?
 
Usman Chadda said:
Once again, too generous. Yadav and Bumrah are a level above Wahab and Akhtar. Whats with Indians being too nice to us these past few days leading up to the final?
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Growing up, it was part of our culture to be considerate and polite to our neighbors.
 
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