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Current India T20I bowling versus Pakistan T20I bowling

gani999 said:
Don't take the OP too seriously.

He has had a bit of a credibility problem ever since he rated Robin Singh better than Hardik Pandya.

I'm sure that with Hardik doing what he did today both the OP and the likes of [MENTION=132715]Varun[/MENTION] are having problems digesting their dinners.

If some people need Burnol, others need Eno Salt :bhajji
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People who think Pandya is the best all rounder since Kapil Dev have no credibility at all.

I set a ladder for Hardik Pandya to climb Bangar, Robin, Irfan. I didn't just call him the best since Kapil without even him playing 10 international matches. Lol.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
People who think Pandya is the best all rounder since Kapil Dev have no credibility at all.

I set a ladder for Hardik Pandya to climb Bangar, Robin, Irfan. I didn't just call him the best since Kapil without even him playing 10 international matches. Lol.
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The ladder that Pandya should be climbing is that of Kapil Dev's and not the others who he as already left behind.

Bangar and Robin? Seriously?
 
Indian bowlers are not bad tbh. They are only slightly worse than Pakistani bowlers.
Pandya
Bhuvi
Kuldeep
Chahal
Bumrah
Yadav


Vs

Faheem
Shadab
Hasan
Amir
Shaheen.


Faheem=pandya
Shadab=kuldeep and chahal
Hasan>bumrah
Amir>>bhuvi
Shaheen=umesh


Overall close battle between bowlers imo.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Yea its a Aussie C team missing 5 regulars. Plus Chris Lynn.

Agenda isnt going through.
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Not sure if you’re looking at it objectively and instead with more of a bias here. Pakistan is a good t20 team and their ranking is rightfully deserved so. No shame in admitting that and India deserves to be a good number 2/3 in the rankings.

But anyone can see that Pakistan’s bowling is way ahead than India’s and Pakistan’s batting though not great is good enough to win games in t-20 especially with folks like Fakhar who are only going to get better with time and experience.

Obviously a head to head game would put it all to rest but don’t see that happening any time soon.
 
There is a reason why Pakistan are the number one T20I side, and that's because of their bowling. Be it the only T20I against England, series against WI or some other games, our bowlers were able to restrict the opposition to a even run a ball at times. When was the last time Indian bowlers did that in T20Is

I think Pak are the best T20I bowling side in the world, and India are not far behind as the 2nd best

PS: Please don't say that WI are minnows, we played full strength WI squad in 2 of the 3 series, and your bowlers were all at see against the same side.
 
I would say our bowling is better than the Indian’s .... but their batting is better than ours !!! Should be a treat to watch .... if it happens !!!!
 
cricketjoshila said:
Babar yes. Sharjeel is out for 2 years now.Isnt it?
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And Mitchell Starc has not played since September 2016.So he is clearly not in Australia's T20 plans.Hazlewood is also not a regular in T20Is.Smith has an okay record in T20Is,but nothing too spectacular.Lynn has done nothing in T20I's.Warner us the only one you can say that Australia missed but then again D'Arcy Short made 76 as the second opener.

I forgot to add that Imad Wasim is out as well.I dislike him but he's performed decently in T20Is.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Heard of Starc Cummins and Hazlewood?
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Read your own post again. You were talking about how our current bowling gave up 183 runs again Aus C and i pointed out only their 1 good batsmen wasn't playing, Warner. So you take out 1 batsmen and your batting goes to C? and yea Stac Cummins and Hazlewood wouldn't add anything to the batting.
 
A bowling lineup that consists of :

Bumrah
Bhuvi
Pandya
Kuldeep
Chahal

is not any weak at all. All of them are proven match-winners and why would anyone call this not a strong line-up?
 
interesting thread .
pak has always had good bowlers

india strength was good batters

however , india had unearthed a pack of 15 bowlers bowling 140 k of which two or three can bowl serious pace . its not as if one guy gets injured and u are gonna not be competitive .this particular aspect separates india from other teams - decent bowlers v good batters v good keepers
but excellent replacements available

w sunder and jayant yadav are good offspin allrounders besides gautham
jadeja axar krunal .. endless list of decent left arm spinners who can bat a bit
pandya , chahar , thakur , hell even binny are decent bowlers who can bat ok
keepers - dhoni karthick pant sampson kissan - all bat v well and keep ok
batters - endless
fast - mavi aaron rajasthan lad rajpoot- india is close to producing its own 155 k bowler
swing - bhuvi leads but kaul thakur etc replacements there
hit deck - sharma avesh and shami
legspinners - several decent ones besides chahal and pandya in each state team and ipl
the above players most walk into most odi t20 sides and even tests ..
u will see india remain consistently in top three in all formats

yes india will loose say a ct final but i think u will always find this team being the top 2 side across formats thanks to bench strength .
this is mainly cos indian bowling is 5 times better then i have seen ever ..

whats missing - a good captain . and a sober coach

last but not the least - dravid with ind a , ipl , ranji etc will ensure further third string devlopment
 
In which format shadab is equal to kuldeep. In test & t20 bhuvi better than amir,in t20 bumrah much better than hasan
 
India has Kuldeep and Bumrah who are world class.

That’s about it.

Chahal becomes a bundle of nerves every time he gets hit.

Kumar is overrated.
 
India’s T20 bowling being taken apart hun Kiwis. It’s a joke of a bowling line up. As if one Pandya wasn’t bad enough now we have two.
 
Pakistan gave 190+ runs to saffers in two consecutive matches and that too with their first choice bowling lineup.
Pak bowling is overrated.
Atleast we were without bumrah and kuli.
 
India has world class bowlers like Kuldeep, Chahal, Bumrah and Shami. Pakistan has garbage like Amir, Shadab and Hassan Ali.

No comparison. Pakistani bowling is the most toothless attack in world cricket.
 
In T20 every bowling line up can go for big runs any day.. On paper full strength Indian bowling line up is slightly better than Pakistani one but in T20s anything can happen.
 
big_gamer007 said:
In T20 every bowling line up can go for big runs any day.. On paper full strength Indian bowling line up is slightly better than Pakistani one but in T20s anything can happen.
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Let's compare their first choice bowling attacks in T20Is:

Mohammad Amir > Jasprit Bumrah
Shaheen Afridi > Bhuvneswhar Kumar
Shadab Khan < Kuldeep Yadav
Imad Wasim > Yuzvendra Chahal
Faheem Ashraf > Hardik Pandya
Mohammad Hafeez > Kedar Jadhav

Pakistan wins it 5-1.
 
Arsalan Pro said:
Let's compare their first choice bowling attacks in T20Is:

Mohammad Amir > Jasprit Bumrah
Shaheen Afridi > Bhuvneswhar Kumar
Shadab Khan < Kuldeep Yadav
Imad Wasim > Yuzvendra Chahal
Faheem Ashraf > Hardik Pandya
Mohammad Hafeez > Kedar Jadhav

Pakistan wins it 5-1.
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I would even say that Shadab and Kuldeep are equal as Shadab is more economical and has taken more wickets, but Kuldeep has a marginal better ave as well as being a rare type of bowler that most teams don't face.

so its 5-0.

Pakistan is the daddy of T20 bowling right now, hence why they are still No 1.
 
Arsalan Pro said:
Let's compare their first choice bowling attacks in T20Is:

Mohammad Amir > Jasprit Bumrah
Shaheen Afridi > Bhuvneswhar Kumar
Shadab Khan < Kuldeep Yadav
Imad Wasim > Yuzvendra Chahal
Faheem Ashraf > Hardik Pandya
Mohammad Hafeez > Kedar Jadhav

Pakistan wins it 5-1.
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Amir better than Bumrah??? On what world?
 
hadi123 said:
Amir better than Bumrah??? On what world?
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I don't know in which world do you live, but here on planet Earth, Amir is a better bowler than Bumrah in T20Is as evident by their respective statistics. In addition he has also won a T20 WC for his team, which Bumrah hasn't.
 
Pakistan's daddy bowling unit conceded 190+ runs back to back against a SA z team, although I don't care about t20s but I still somewhat understand the plight of Pak fans, their team is borderline minnows in the formats that matter so they have nothing left bar t20s to fall back upon. I am happy for my padosis for winning the dead rubber.
 
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big_gamer007 said:
In T20 every bowling line up can go for big runs any day.. On paper full strength Indian bowling line up is slightly better than Pakistani one but in T20s anything can happen.
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Actually this. Shinwari was MoM and within 3 days received his worst phanty ever. Even blind hacks of tailenders can ruined the stats of #1 bowler.
 
Arsalan Pro said:
I don't know in which world do you live, but here on planet Earth, Amir is a better bowler than Bumrah in T20Is as evident by their respective statistics. In addition he has also won a T20 WC for his team, which Bumrah hasn't.
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You're going by stats only? I don't think many would agree that Amir is better than Bumrah, who is one of the best fast bowlers in the world.
 
Arsalan Pro said:
Let's compare their first choice bowling attacks in T20Is:

Mohammad Amir > Jasprit Bumrah
Shaheen Afridi > Bhuvneswhar Kumar
Shadab Khan < Kuldeep Yadav
Imad Wasim > Yuzvendra Chahal
Faheem Ashraf > Hardik Pandya
Mohammad Hafeez > Kedar Jadhav

Pakistan wins it 5-1.
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Since losing to Pakistan in the 2017 Champions Trophy final at The Oval, India have won ODI series in West Indies, Sri Lanka, South Africa, Australia and New Zealand. Along the

way, they have beaten Australia, New Zealand, Sri Lanka and West Indies at home as well, whilst also winning the 2018 Asia Cup in UAE where they trounced all opposition.
Only lost to England 2-1.That is a sum total of 10 ODI series' wins in what has been a nearly two-year period.

Compare that to wins by Pakistan in same period. Obviously team with better bowlers wins, isnt that the generally accepted concept?
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Inspired from the batting comparison thread I created this thread.

Clearly indian bowlers are nowhere near Pakistani bowlers in this format. What is IPL doing? Why isn't it creating bowlers that can bowl well for india? Rather its creating a pool of shameless bowlers who are ready to get a phainty anytime, anywhere and from anyone.

I was told by IPL fans money enhances their talent and skills. But I see no difference between these guys and yesteryear guys like Mohanty, Harvinder Singh, Doda Ganesh.
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You obviously do not believe in capitalism (pay for performance incentives). You probably want to take India back to the good old socialist decades from 1950s to 1990s when the poverty rate was 51%.

As for T20Is, India has gone undefeated in the last 10 series, its bowling can't be that bad.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/team/series_results.html?class=3;id=6;type=team

T20s results are anyway quite random, Tests and ODIs are true measures. India is #1 in Tests and after WI finish thrashing England in Tests and move on to thrashing them in ODIs, India will be #1 in ODIs too.

Not surprising you latch on to T20s to bad mouth India given that things are looking quite bleak for you in Tests and ODIs :)
 
mp812rediff said:
Since losing to Pakistan in the 2017 Champions Trophy final at The Oval, India have won ODI series in West Indies, Sri Lanka, South Africa, Australia and New Zealand. Along the

way, they have beaten Australia, New Zealand, Sri Lanka and West Indies at home as well, whilst also winning the 2018 Asia Cup in UAE where they trounced all opposition.
Only lost to England 2-1.That is a sum total of 10 ODI series' wins in what has been a nearly two-year period.

Compare that to wins by Pakistan in same period. Obviously team with better bowlers wins, isnt that the generally accepted concept?
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Where and when did I talk about ODIs?

It is a thread about T20I only and I also mentioned it, Pakistan did win 11 consecutive series before this one and would have won this one too, had Amir played earlier instead of Hasan or Shinwari. We are the Number 1 side currently by some margin.
 
King Khan said:
I would even say that Shadab and Kuldeep are equal as Shadab is more economical and has taken more wickets, but Kuldeep has a marginal better ave as well as being a rare type of bowler that most teams don't face.

so its 5-0.

Pakistan is the daddy of T20 bowling right now, hence why they are still No 1.
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Not 5-0, but 6-0 and congratulations, we should be grateful that Indian bowlers are even being compared to Pakistani T20 greats.
 
Arsalan Pro said:
I don't know in which world do you live, but here on planet Earth, Amir is a better bowler than Bumrah in T20Is as evident by their respective statistics. In addition he has also won a T20 WC for his team, which Bumrah hasn't.
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Joginder Sharma who is now a police inspector has won a T20 WC by his last over in a WC final.
Thanks for that that anyway.
 
JaDed said:
Not 5-0, but 6-0 and congratulations, we should be grateful that Indian bowlers are even being compared to Pakistani T20 greats.
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Indeed. Pakistan is way ahead of everyone else, no wonder they decimated the Saffers. The most "talented" side indeed.
 
ravisurya said:
Indeed. Pakistan is way ahead of everyone else, no wonder they decimated the Saffers. The most "talented" side indeed.
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Indeed and mind you this is one of the strongest SA team ever assembled with mighty Dala, Sipamala and Janeman frontlining the squad.:broad
 
JaDed said:
Wait are you saying RP Singh wipes the floor with Amir in T20 now?
Coz if it's stats the goal post..Soo...
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Players can be only judged on some minimum requirement of matches and wickets, otherwise M Yousuf is the greatest ever bowler.
 
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Arsalan Pro said:
Players can be only judged on some minimum requirement of matches and wickets, otherwise M Yousaf is the greatest ever bowler.
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Yeah but the didn't stop you guys from putting Shaheen Shah there..so lol and again RP Singh has a T20 WC :) which Yousaf can dream about, sorry for killing you logic mate .
 
JaDed said:
Yeah but the didn't stop you guys from putting Shaheen Shah there..so lol and again RP Singh has a T20 WC :) which Yousaf can dream about, sorry for killing you logic mate .
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Ok, Inzamam is better than most Indian bowlers and he has a WC to his name. We were talking about current full choice attack which he makes, so no other option.
 
Hyperion66 said:
Indeed and mind you this is one of the strongest SA team ever assembled with mighty Dala, Sipamala and Janeman frontlining the squad.:broad
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Definitely, they rested all the mediocre players like QDK and Duplessis because they wouldnt survive this Bowling attack.
 
Minnowbasher said:
Indian bowlers are not bad tbh. They are only slightly worse than Pakistani bowlers.
Pandya
Bhuvi
Kuldeep
Chahal
Bumrah
Yadav


Vs

Faheem
Shadab
Hasan
Amir
Shaheen.


Faheem=pandya
Shadab=kuldeep and chahal
Hasan>bumrah
Amir>>bhuvi
Shaheen=umesh


Overall close battle between bowlers imo.
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Nice joke. Tell us more.
 
Arsalan Pro said:
Let's compare their first choice bowling attacks in T20Is:

Mohammad Amir > Jasprit Bumrah
Shaheen Afridi > Bhuvneswhar Kumar
Shadab Khan < Kuldeep Yadav
Imad Wasim > Yuzvendra Chahal
Faheem Ashraf > Hardik Pandya
Mohammad Hafeez > Kedar Jadhav

Pakistan wins it 5-1.
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Lol if that helps you sleep better then sure believe that :).. Pakistan and India both have a strong attack in T20, on some days Pakistan attack will look better on others Indian attack that's the nature of T20s..
 
big_gamer007 said:
Lol if that helps you sleep better then sure believe that :).. Pakistan and India both have a strong attack in T20, on some days Pakistan attack will look better on others Indian attack that's the nature of T20s..
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I presume u're angry because he said amir is better than bumrah in t20is.
Well go look at the stats, they show Amir is better.
 
India has used same set of bowlers rarely. So can't really read much into any kind of opinion here. Let us wait for world T20. We will know who has the best bowling
 
JaDed said:
Joginder Sharma who is now a police inspector has won a T20 WC by his last over in a WC final.
Thanks for that that anyway.
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He didn't exactly win it for India, Misbah played a bigger role in India's victory.
 
Bumrah>>>Amir/Shaheen
Bhuvi=Hassan
Chahal>>Shadab
Pandya >>Fahim
Kuldeep>>>Imam

It is a no contest, Indian bowling is far better Pakistan not just in T20s but in all formats.
 
CadPakFan said:
He didn't exactly win it for India, Misbah played a bigger role in India's victory.
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Misbah was India's 12th man in white ball cricket and he sure did turn up in Mohali and 2007 T20 Final.
 
Kohli said:
Pakistan have 2 bowlers in top 12, and we've just 1 in top 20. How do we have a better bowling line up?
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T20 rankings hold very little meaning. Overall I think Pakistan has a better T20 bowling attack but India is not far behind.
 
With Rumman Raees in the side Pakistani bowling attack is much better. I honestly think he's very underrated. He has the best economy in the world in the power-play overs in T20s. He can dial it up to 140, bowl cutters, yorkers, terrific slow balls and I love his attitude. Hope he returns from injury soon. Pakistan need someone like him in the side for ODIs too. Him and Imad Wasim are two players whose skills are tailor-made for T20 cricket
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
With Rumman Raees in the side Pakistani bowling attack is much better. I honestly think he's very underrated. He has the best economy in the world in the power-play overs in T20s. He can dial it up to 140, bowl cutters, yorkers, terrific slow balls and I love his attitude. Hope he returns from injury soon. Pakistan need someone like him in the side for ODIs too. Him and Imad Wasim are two players whose skills are tailor-made for T20 cricket
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Can you kindly provide a source for that? I see even Bhuvi has a better overall economy than Raees.
 
a_tahir said:
I presume u're angry because he said amir is better than bumrah in t20is.
Well go look at the stats, they show Amir is better.
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Not angry at all I hardly watch much cricket anymore but one to one comparison like that never works.. it's about the entire bowling unit moreover Pakistan plays a lot of matches against not so strong teams while they themselves play their full strength in T20s.

Like I mentioned T20s are extremely volatile anything can happen, if stats show Pakistani bowling attack is slightly better in theory then that's fine.. They have been a good T20 side for a while and should aim to win the next T20 WC.


I don't know if amir is better in T20 or not but if he doing well then good for him, always loved his spells back in 2010 and still love watching old videos of him.. If he can replicate such form again it would be great for the game..
 
Just look at the variety and talent in the Pakistani bowling attack....wow, no wonder they are the best in business.
 
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