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Current Indian XI vs 90's Pakistan XI

Srinath, Prasad, Kumble & Bhajji had averages of 26, 31, 25 & 27 at home which is not a gazillion miles away than the current lot. I take on board that current indian bowling is the best that India has produced but their batting is overated. Wasim, Akhtar and Saqi will rip through them without any problem.

Bhajji debuted around 2000 so that's a different era altogether. In 1990s, we had Srinath, Kumble, Prasad and another guy called Kuruvilla at home. Basically, two excellent bowlers at home, Prasad was decent at best with 31 average at home and overall average of 35 and a nobody as 4th bowler. Tendulkar chipping few overs as 5th bowler also.

Here, we don't even need Bumrah to bowl. Also, Rohit and Mayank are beast at home.
 
For those who has seen the Pak bowlers of the 90s operating live, this is not even a contest.

The trio of Wasim, Waqar and Shoaib are a fear factor. Not to forget Saqlain and some of their battery of backup bowlers - Mohammad Zahir, Aquib Javed, Abdul Razzaq, Afridi and there is no weak link there.

For most part, this Indian team does not have the technique and temperament to negotiate their threat and for the better part will be bundled under 100. And I am not letting the 36/9 debacle to influence this opinion.

There is a huge gap of talent between the bowling teams. Pak batsmen beyond the top 4 will not be required to close matches.
 
Bhajji debuted around 2000 so that's a different era altogether. In 1990s, we had Srinath, Kumble, Prasad and another guy called Kuruvilla at home. Basically, two excellent bowlers at home, Prasad was decent at best with 31 average at home and overall average of 35 and a nobody as 4th bowler. Tendulkar chipping few overs as 5th bowler also.

Here, we don't even need Bumrah to bowl. Also, Rohit and Mayank are beast at home.

Bhajji played against Pak in the Kolkata test in 1999.
 
It is unfair comparison .u can’t compare a whole decade xi to one match xi.
Rohit
Mayank
Pujara
Kohli
Rahane
Jadeja
Pant
Ashwin
Ishant
Shami
Bumrah
This is best current indian xi .
 
“Everyone’s good is good. But how good is your bad?” - Tiger Woods

90’s Pakistan’s bad was really bad. They lost to Australia, Sri Lanka and Zimbabwe at home.

Sri Lanka was a good team then and Zimbabwe was a decent side, but if 90’s Pakistan was as strong as we claim to be, they wouldn’t have be been bested by these sides at home.

Australia in 1998 was not the Australia of 2000’s. They lost in India and Sri Lanka in 1996 and 1997. The only Asian team they beat away was, unsurprisingly, the overrated Pakistan of 90’s.

Kohli’s India’s worst performance in Asia was winning 2-1 vs Australia at home and winning 2-1 in Sri Lanka. That is how extraordinarily dominant they have been in Asia.

90’s Pakistan might compete really well against Kohli’s India outside Asia, but in Asia, they will get flogged.

When Woods was good and when he was bad, it was for sports reasons. On the other hand, this team was good or bad for so many off field reasons which I don't want to get into.

My problem is the same problem all Pakistanis lived through in the 90's. We just didn't know if the team was playing for the shirt. If they were, I will be certain to pick them to beat the very best teams.

Also, you can pick losing results but you can also pick spectacular away victories and cup runs and make the opposite case. Like you can pick an odd test loss to Sri Lanka in the 80's to build an argument and ignore the spectacular victories home and away.

I can make equal arguments against Man United, Lakers and Ferrari who have all lost many many matches to vastly inferior teams including League 3 sides but I don't like that line of reasoning one bit.
 
Could say the same about virat's India in Asia. When they are at their best they are absolutely unbeatable.

Even away they were quite good until this year. During losses as well it was mainly due to poor planning and prioritizing wrong formats at the wrong time.

Man for man, I think Pakistan will beat Virat's India. Like I think Australia and West Indies will beat 90's Pakistan - man for man.

But these things are entirely opinion based - very much like top 100 cricketer lists or whatever.

Shoulda, coulda, woulda has no place in sport.
 
When Woods was good and when he was bad, it was for sports reasons. On the other hand, this team was good or bad for so many off field reasons which I don't want to get into.

My problem is the same problem all Pakistanis lived through in the 90's. We just didn't know if the team was playing for the shirt. If they were, I will be certain to pick them to beat the very best teams.

Also, you can pick losing results but you can also pick spectacular away victories and cup runs and make the opposite case.

Like you can pick an odd test loss to Sri Lanka in the 80's to build an argument and ignore the spectacular victories home and away.

I can make equal arguments against Man United, Lakers and Ferrari who have all lost many many matches to vastly inferior teams including League 3 sides but I don't like that line of reasoning one bit.
There were so many spectacular away wins in the 1990's. Lords 92,
Oval 92, Hamilton 93, Sydney 95, Lords 96, Durban 98, Chennai 99, Kolkata 99. Which do you think was the best away win ?
 
Honestly, my memory of all games isn't that good. Sydney 95 was a dead rubber I think, NZ was an amazing victory but in those days we used to treat NZ the way they treat Pakistan now. Kolkata I remember for the run out more.

I do remember Chennai (Afridi, Saqlain, Tendulkar) and Duban (Azhar Mehmood) as special. Also the 1997 Carlton and United tri-nations victory - first ever by Pakistan in Australia - and Wasim Akram was an excellent captain then.

What a criminal waste of an abundance of talent that team was. To be so blessed with all kinds of cricketing gods and to chuck all that away so insanely.
 
Honestly, my memory of all games isn't that good. Sydney 95 was a dead rubber I think, NZ was an amazing victory but in those days we used to treat NZ the way they treat Pakistan now. Kolkata I remember for the run out more.

I do remember Chennai (Afridi, Saqlain, Tendulkar) and Duban (Azhar Mehmood) as special. Also the 1997 Carlton and United tri-nations victory - first ever by Pakistan in Australia - and Wasim Akram was an excellent captain then.

What a criminal waste of an abundance of talent that team was. To be so blessed with all kinds of cricketing gods and to chuck all that away so insanely.

Team output was actually less than the sum of all parts. It was a tragic waste. That's the reason for losses against SL/Zim at home. That's why I think it's hard to predict when it comes to Pakistan of 90s.

Having said that they were the third-best team in 90s. W/L was 1.5. I don't think the team should have lost 10 tests for even 15 wins in 90s. They should have done better.
 
Yes, but the likes of Shami, Ishant, Ashwin and Jadeja are no mugs at home either. Even Umesh Yadav is decent in Indian conditions. The current attack is easily better than the Indian attack from the 90s. Pakistani batting during the 90s was talented, but notoriously fragile.

Umesh is decent at home ROFL. That's an Understatement.

Umesh is a beast at home. He wrecked all Australian bowlers in home Condtions just like they do vs him in Australia.
 
aTG bowling of India would ruin your batsmen though. These players may struggle overseas but they will kill any bowler in Asia..that's the point.

You have a chance outside Asia. But in Asia there is only one king. That's virat's India at its best. They are extremely ruthless and very consistent. They are a killing machine.

This is all you need to know.

Current lot probably are better everywhere. Yea India had some batting talunts in 90s but that's all they were.

Talunts. Bowling was atrocious barring Srinath and Kumble.

Dravid was no where near his prime in 90s. He was a baby.
Laxman baby
Tenda was in physical prime but not in his absolute prime.

It was a very very weak Indian team in a weak era in 90s.

Current team would butcher your 90s guys in Asia at their best.

If you mean current current side now it would still be close but India wins again. Bowling is far too strong.
 
This is all you need to know.

Current lot probably are better everywhere. Yea India had some batting talunts in 90s but that's all they were.

Talunts. Bowling was atrocious barring Srinath and Kumble.

Dravid was no where near his prime in 90s. He was a baby.
Laxman baby
Tenda was in physical prime but not in his absolute prime.

It was a very very weak Indian team in a weak era in 90s.

Current team would butcher your 90s guys in Asia at their best.

If you mean current current side now it would still be close but India wins again. Bowling is far too strong.
I suggest you re-read your post as there is one person who has come across as a baby, no prize for guesses. What is your year of birth if I may ask?
 
When Woods was good and when he was bad, it was for sports reasons. On the other hand, this team was good or bad for so many off field reasons which I don't want to get into.

My problem is the same problem all Pakistanis lived through in the 90's. We just didn't know if the team was playing for the shirt. If they were, I will be certain to pick them to beat the very best teams.

Also, you can pick losing results but you can also pick spectacular away victories and cup runs and make the opposite case. Like you can pick an odd test loss to Sri Lanka in the 80's to build an argument and ignore the spectacular victories home and away.

I can make equal arguments against Man United, Lakers and Ferrari who have all lost many many matches to vastly inferior teams including League 3 sides but I don't like that line of reasoning one bit.

Everyone is aware of the match-fixing that was going on within the team during the 90’s. However, it is not anyone’s problem.

No asked them to be fixers and thus they cannot be excused for losing home series to Australia, Sri Lanka, Zimbabwe and South Africa.

Strong teams do not lose multiple home series like 90’s Pakistan did.

Also, the match-fixing has given a very convenient excuse to Pakistani fans.

Every series that the 90’s Pakistan lost is brushed under the carpet as “fixed”, while every series win is down to their talent and brilliance as a team.

90’s Pakistan is an overrated side with a brittle batting lineup. India of 2010 is a superior winning machine. They don’t have any bowler of Wasim’s talent but they are well-oiled machine who will out-power 90’s Pakistan especially in Asian conditions.
 
90’s Pakistan is an overrated side with a brittle batting lineup. India of 2010 is a superior winning machine.

This thread was never about 1990s Pakistan vs 2010s Indian side. This is about 1990s Pakistan vs the current Indian side. Who wins the battle?

I honestly dont know how the Shaws, Viharis, Agarwal, Rahane and Saha of this world stand any chance in front of Wasim, Waqar, Akhtar & Saqi. I can only see one a half batsmen in the Indian side.

Indian bowling is strong no doubt but Pakistan batting is resilient enough to pose a score of 350+ which will be more than enough.
 
I suggest you re-read your post as there is one person who has come across as a baby, no prize for guesses. What is your year of birth if I may ask?

I suggest you look at the bowling. Lineup of India in 90s and you guys still struggled to trounce them.

Current lineup is far too strong in Asian condtions. Look at their numbers. They will wreck Pakistan with ease.

Our batting sucks yes. But only outside Asia. We are far too good in batting at Asian Condtions.

It's good to know you guys beat a fodder team with kuruvilla, Prasad, and other trundlers except Srinath who was good. Kumble that's it.

What you fail to understand is that the technique Indian batsmen utilize at the moment would work perfectly in Asia. They are suited to those Condtions and with India's bowling attack it would be a mismatch in Asia. They are the true behemoths of Asia. You don't win 29 out of 31 games and not be a great home track bully. Just think about it logically.

Even in 90# you guys were wildly inconsistent. Losing to Aussies and saffers at home etc. Drawing vs Lanka or losing. Can't remember.

Virat's team peaked in 2018-19. That team would beat Pakistan's best version of 90s.
 
This thread was never about 1990s Pakistan vs 2010s Indian side. This is about 1990s Pakistan vs the current Indian side. Who wins the battle?

I honestly dont know how the Shaws, Viharis, Agarwal, Rahane and Saha of this world stand any chance in front of Wasim, Waqar, Akhtar & Saqi. I can only see one a half batsmen in the Indian side.

Indian bowling is strong no doubt but Pakistan batting is resilient enough to pose a score of 350+ which will be more than enough.

Oh my god. Even the current side is ridiculously good in HOME CONDTIONS.

HOME ASIAN CONDTIONS.
just because they were rubbish in pink ball doesn't mean they suck in Asia lol. It's really not hard to understand. This is a post peak version of virat's team at the moment and I am certain even the young ins would cause serious problems for the paks of 90s.
 
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This thread was never about 1990s Pakistan vs 2010s Indian side. This is about 1990s Pakistan vs the current Indian side. Who wins the battle?

I honestly dont know how the Shaws, Viharis, Agarwal, Rahane and Saha of this world stand any chance in front of Wasim, Waqar, Akhtar & Saqi. I can only see one a half batsmen in the Indian side.

Indian bowling is strong no doubt but Pakistan batting is resilient enough to pose a score of 350+ which will be more than enough.

How would you define “current”? The lineup that India played in the 1st Test or the best possible lineup that India can field today if everyone is available?

If it is the former I would agree that 90’s would probably win, but if it is the latter than India still have more than enough resources to beat an overhyped team that lost to Australia, South Africa, Sri Lanka and Zimbabwe at home in successive years.

None of those 4 sides would have any shot at winning a series in India today.
 
How would you define “current”? The lineup that India played in the 1st Test or the best possible lineup that India can field today if everyone is available?

If it is the former I would agree that 90’s would probably win, but if it is the latter than India still have more than enough resources to beat an overhyped team that lost to Australia, South Africa, Sri Lanka and Zimbabwe at home in successive years.

None of those 4 sides would have any shot at winning a series in India today.

Pakistan's home record since the mid-nineties:

1995 - lost 2-1 to Sri Lanka
1996 - Drew 1-1 with New Zealand and beat Zimbabwe by the skin of their teeth
1997 - Lost 1-0 to South Africa and hammered a woeful West Indies 3-0
1998 - Lost 1-0 to Australia and Zimbabwe respectively
2000 - Lost 2-1 to Sri Lanka and 1-0 to England

Those are not enviable records, people have funny memories.
 
Pakistan's home record since the mid-nineties:

1995 - lost 2-1 to Sri Lanka
1996 - Drew 1-1 with New Zealand and beat Zimbabwe by the skin of their teeth
1997 - Lost 1-0 to South Africa and hammered a woeful West Indies 3-0
1998 - Lost 1-0 to Australia and Zimbabwe respectively
2000 - Lost 2-1 to Sri Lanka and 1-0 to England

Those are not enviable records, people have funny memories.

Lol. None of these sides would get close to beating Kohli’s India in India.

Also notice the convenient excuse of match-fixing. Every series that the 90’s Pakistan lost is being brushed under the carpet because it was “fixed”, as if it is anyone’s problem.

90’s Pakistan gets overhyped mainly because we won the 1992 World Cup and because of Wasim and Waqar, but other than that the team was nothing flash. No wonder they were so easy to beat at home.

Also, people will get angry at this, but Waqar was a big beneficiary of the era that he played in and because of certain other “reasons” that are best mentioned implicitly.

In today’s era with the level of scrutiny that happens today, he wouldn’t have been the devastating bowler he was back then.
 
Pakistan's home record since the mid-nineties:

1995 - lost 2-1 to Sri Lanka
1996 - Drew 1-1 with New Zealand and beat Zimbabwe by the skin of their teeth
1997 - Lost 1-0 to South Africa and hammered a woeful West Indies 3-0
1998 - Lost 1-0 to Australia and Zimbabwe respectively
2000 - Lost 2-1 to Sri Lanka and 1-0 to England

Those are not enviable records, people have funny memories.

Wasim Akram wasn't captain in any of the home series losses. Ramiz Raja captained against SL in 1995, Saeed Anwar captained against SA in 1997 and Aamer Sohail against Aus and Zim in 1998. Pakistan played their best cricket in the 90's under Wasim Akram as evidenced by the fact that they thrashed West Indies in 1997, when Wasim was the skipper. But the problem for Pakistan in the the 90's was that there was so much infighting going on that captains were changing every series and thats what hampered their performances at home.
 
Wasim Akram wasn't captain in any of the home series losses. Ramiz Raja captained against SL in 1995, Saeed Anwar captained against SA in 1997 and Aamer Sohail against Aus and Zim in 1998. Pakistan played their best cricket in the 90's under Wasim Akram as evidenced by the fact that they thrashed West Indies in 1997, when Wasim was the skipper. But the problem for Pakistan in the the 90's was that there was so much infighting going on that captains were changing every series and thats what hampered their performances at home.

In addition to infighting, captaincy instability, there were also deliberate under-performances and the post mid-90’s era chosen for that post is the worst set of 5 years in history for match fixing in cricket. Many of these same matches are listed in the Qayyum report, and there is clear evidence of rings within the team answering to underworld betting mafias.

If that is your definition of the peak 90’s team, then they would definitely lose to the current India Test side both home or away. They’d all end up millionaires and no one would bat an eye.

However, if you are more interested in a man to man comparison and assume full effort on behalf of all parties involved, there is no match for that 90’s side except for the 80’s Windies side and 00’s Australia.
 
Wasim Akram wasn't captain in any of the home series losses. Ramiz Raja captained against SL in 1995, Saeed Anwar captained against SA in 1997 and Aamer Sohail against Aus and Zim in 1998. Pakistan played their best cricket in the 90's under Wasim Akram as evidenced by the fact that they thrashed West Indies in 1997, when Wasim was the skipper. But the problem for Pakistan in the the 90's was that there was so much infighting going on that captains were changing every series and thats what hampered their performances at home.

Infighting and unprofessional players is no reason to celebrate though. These guys might have had talent but at the end of the day they achieved less than Inzamam or Misbah's test teams.
 
However, if you are more interested in a man to man comparison and assume full effort on behalf of all parties involved, there is no match for that 90’s side except for the 80’s Windies side and 00’s Australia.

In the real world, that would rarely happen. In any case, man to man comparisons are meaningless if those men don't get along well as part of a team.

Matchfixing and infighting are very convenient excuses used by most Pakistani fans to brush over the fact that these guys were highly inconsistent and mentally weak under pressure. It's utter lunacy to think all high profile Pakistani defeats in the 90s were down to matchfixing.
 
In addition to infighting, captaincy instability, there were also deliberate under-performances and the post mid-90’s era chosen for that post is the worst set of 5 years in history for match fixing in cricket. Many of these same matches are listed in the Qayyum report, and there is clear evidence of rings within the team answering to underworld betting mafias.

If that is your definition of the peak 90’s team, then they would definitely lose to the current India Test side both home or away. They’d all end up millionaires and no one would bat an eye.

However, if you are more interested in a man to man comparison and assume full effort on behalf of all parties involved, there is no match for that 90’s side except for the 80’s Windies side and 00’s Australia.

Man to man
Body to body
Cell to cell.
Makes no difference.

That Pakistan team wasn't good enough. Won't beat India in India when virat's India are at their best.
In u.a.e or Pakistan perhaps it will be a lot closer.
 
In the real world, that would rarely happen. In any case, man to man comparisons are meaningless if those men don't get along well as part of a team.

Matchfixing and infighting are very convenient excuses used by most Pakistani fans to brush over the fact that these guys were highly inconsistent and mentally weak under pressure. It's utter lunacy to think all high profile Pakistani defeats in the 90s were down to matchfixing.

It’s a hypothetical though. We see all-time XIs being made all the time, with Bradman sitting next to Ponting and Tendulkar even though these men do not know each other. Put Vaas in the same team as Akram in ‘92, before he learned English, and they will fail to communicate effectively about the batsman’s weaknesses.

Further, generally speaking, we always consider players at their peaks when doing such comparisons - when I list Waqar Younis in a team, I am not referring to the Waqar of 2003.

Similarly, we consider the team at peak unity within the team, comradery, and with everyone giving in their 100%. If we are not, then I am on the same side as you — the team would lose, simply because it relies on the weight of individual performances while Virat’s unit works as a unit, and while some of those individual performances come under the scanner.

However, that changes the entire gist of the thread. It is no longer “would Virat’s India have beat Pakistan’s 90’s team” but rather “would Virat’s India have beat Pakistan’s 90’s team including the possibility that Wasim Akram feigns injury one day into the match with varying reports of multiple men up to replace him as captain.”

I doubt anyone sides with Pakistan in that narrative. Instead, my comparison is with the imaginary 90’s team that always performed to the best of its ability and gelled as a unit.

I don’t think infighting is a convenient excuse for Pakistani fans, but rather a very inconvenient one because it opens a Pandora’s box of what-ifs which can be very painful to contemplate.

Not all high profile defeats in the 90s were down to match fixing, but it is likely that many were. I don’t think it’s fair to entertain any other possibility.

There is no comparison where Virat’s India stands a chance against that team, which goes toe to toe with 00’s Australia and 80’s Windies.

Lastly, a Test team’s overseas record always tells us more than its home record (a 50/50 record home and away is better than an 80/20 and a 20/80 split home and away).
 
It’s a hypothetical though. We see all-time XIs being made all the time, with Bradman sitting next to Ponting and Tendulkar even though these men do not know each other. Put Vaas in the same team as Akram in ‘92, before he learned English, and they will fail to communicate effectively about the batsman’s weaknesses.

Further, generally speaking, we always consider players at their peaks when doing such comparisons - when I list Waqar Younis in a team, I am not referring to the Waqar of 2003.

Similarly, we consider the team at peak unity within the team, comradery, and with everyone giving in their 100%. If we are not, then I am on the same side as you — the team would lose, simply because it relies on the weight of individual performances while Virat’s unit works as a unit, and while some of those individual performances come under the scanner.

However, that changes the entire gist of the thread. It is no longer “would Virat’s India have beat Pakistan’s 90’s team” but rather “would Virat’s India have beat Pakistan’s 90’s team including the possibility that Wasim Akram feigns injury one day into the match with varying reports of multiple men up to replace him as captain.”

I doubt anyone sides with Pakistan in that narrative. Instead, my comparison is with the imaginary 90’s team that always performed to the best of its ability and gelled as a unit.

I don’t think infighting is a convenient excuse for Pakistani fans, but rather a very inconvenient one because it opens a Pandora’s box of what-ifs which can be very painful to contemplate.

Not all high profile defeats in the 90s were down to match fixing, but it is likely that many were. I don’t think it’s fair to entertain any other possibility.

There is no comparison where Virat’s India stands a chance against that team, which goes toe to toe with 00’s Australia and 80’s Windies.

Lastly, a Test team’s overseas record always tells us more than its home record (a 50/50 record home and away is better than an 80/20 and a 20/80 split home and away).

No
Home record matters just as much as away.
Varat kohlis team has a major chance to thrash 90s Pakistan in India. Would be a good fight in u.a.e/Pakistan. That's about it.

At their best, virats India just looks better overall. Pakistan's 90s team had tough fights vs weak 90s India team.

So that should tell you a good story.
 
Not all high profile defeats in the 90s were down to match fixing, but it is likely that many were. I don’t think it’s fair to entertain any other possibility.

I don't really agree, many of the [bad] traits of Pakistan teams not being able to handle pressure during the last decade were also present during the 90s (apart from when they were playing meaningless tournaments in Sharjah).

I'd argue that the three most high-profile away series during the decade were Australia in 1995, South Africa in 1998, and India in 1999.

We lost the series in Australia in 95 because their batting was so much superior and Wasim/Waqar couldn't make up the difference alone.

The South African tour in 98 was one where we should have won the test series, but we let them off the hook at Port Elizabeth despite having them 5/120 on Day 1. That attack comprised Shoaib, Wasim, Waqar, and Mushtaq (i.e. arguably the strongest during that decade). They simply choked.

The Indian tour is celebrated for our victories in Chennai and Kolkata (which was not officially part of the test series), but we forget how abject we were with both bat and ball in Delhi when the onus was on Pakistan to win the series.

It's an utter myth that we were the best test team during the decade based on individual talent, when many of those individuals were highly inconsistent.

In white ball cricket, people might have a point, but it certainly wasn't the case with the red ball. If this thread was about ODI cricket, I'd back Pakistan of the 90s to win on most occasions against Kohli's team, but not at test cricket.
 
It’s a hypothetical though. We see all-time XIs being made all the time, with Bradman sitting next to Ponting and Tendulkar even though these men do not know each other. Put Vaas in the same team as Akram in ‘92, before he learned English, and they will fail to communicate effectively about the batsman’s weaknesses.

Further, generally speaking, we always consider players at their peaks when doing such comparisons - when I list Waqar Younis in a team, I am not referring to the Waqar of 2003.

Similarly, we consider the team at peak unity within the team, comradery, and with everyone giving in their 100%. If we are not, then I am on the same side as you — the team would lose, simply because it relies on the weight of individual performances while Virat’s unit works as a unit, and while some of those individual performances come under the scanner.

However, that changes the entire gist of the thread. It is no longer “would Virat’s India have beat Pakistan’s 90’s team” but rather “would Virat’s India have beat Pakistan’s 90’s team including the possibility that Wasim Akram feigns injury one day into the match with varying reports of multiple men up to replace him as captain.”

I doubt anyone sides with Pakistan in that narrative. Instead, my comparison is with the imaginary 90’s team that always performed to the best of its ability and gelled as a unit.

I don’t think infighting is a convenient excuse for Pakistani fans, but rather a very inconvenient one because it opens a Pandora’s box of what-ifs which can be very painful to contemplate.

Not all high profile defeats in the 90s were down to match fixing, but it is likely that many were. I don’t think it’s fair to entertain any other possibility.

There is no comparison where Virat’s India stands a chance against that team, which goes toe to toe with 00’s Australia and 80’s Windies.

Lastly, a Test team’s overseas record always tells us more than its home record (a 50/50 record home and away is better than an 80/20 and a 20/80 split home and away).

90's Pakistan has the best away record (Away W/L ratio of 1.2) alongside Australia in that decade.
 
Let me make the equation simple. Which Saleem Malik are we expecting to play, from the original teams posted in the OP?

Which Wasim? Which Waqar? Which Ijaz Ahmed? Which Moin Khan?
 
Everyone is aware of the match-fixing that was going on within the team during the 90’s. However, it is not anyone’s problem.

No asked them to be fixers and thus they cannot be excused for losing home series to Australia, Sri Lanka, Zimbabwe and South Africa.

Strong teams do not lose multiple home series like 90’s Pakistan did.

Also, the match-fixing has given a very convenient excuse to Pakistani fans.

Every series that the 90’s Pakistan lost is brushed under the carpet as “fixed”, while every series win is down to their talent and brilliance as a team.

90’s Pakistan is an overrated side with a brittle batting lineup. India of 2010 is a superior winning machine. They don’t have any bowler of Wasim’s talent but they are well-oiled machine who will out-power 90’s Pakistan especially in Asian conditions.

Match fixing is not a convenient excuse - it is the ultimate reality of the decade Pakistani fans like myself lived through.

Team disunity, conspiracies against captains, mutinies and factions are also realities of that decade. This is a team that severely underperformed because it was really not a team - but a collection of brilliantly gifted charlatans.

I'd argue they can be excused for losing against any opposition.

They cannot be excused for fixing matches - which is what happened and set Pakistan cricket back.

Therefore the comparisons to a stable Indian team in 2010s just doesn't work.

I'd also like to point out that the Indian team from Jan 2010 to Dec 31, 2019 played 37 away matches to SENA countries - winning 6 and losing a whopping 23 games; 8 series lost and only 1 won, that too against a severely depleted side. Hardly a team to be feared, unless playing at home or weak opposition and nowhere near a credible top tier team. There is just no way one can argue with this dismal record that this team is guaranteed to beat any good team (unless playing at home.)

Pakistan is 10 and 10 away to SENA in the 90's despite all that plagued the team, and that too because of 6 matches lost against Australia - where the team is poor no matter which decade. You will conveniently bring in the fact that England and NZ were weak at the time but will ignore the fact the Pakistani team was utterly compromised, morally and as a unit.

Apart from West Indies team of the 70's/80s and the Australian team of 90's/00's, cricket has not seen a tier 1 team. it's a fact borne out by numbers

Both 90's Pakistan and 2010's India are Tier 2 teams - very good but deeply flawed and ultimately less impactful in many ways.
 
Let me make the equation simple. Which Saleem Malik are we expecting to play, from the original teams posted in the OP?

Which Wasim? Which Waqar? Which Ijaz Ahmed? Which Moin Khan?

Can say the same about every team. Which players will be picked by bewda salah Kohli and Shastri.

India still haven't picked their best team possible.

Virat's India with the correct selections means major trouble for 90s Pakistan even if they are at their best especially in Asia.

Outside Asia in swinging conditions I will give the edge to Pakistan of 90s. In bouncy wIckets I would give the edge to India again.
 
Can say the same about every team. Which players will be picked by bewda salah Kohli and Shastri.

India still haven't picked their best team possible.

Virat's India with the correct selections means major trouble for 90s Pakistan even if they are at their best especially in Asia.

Outside Asia in swinging conditions I will give the edge to Pakistan of 90s. In bouncy wIckets I would give the edge to India again.

Bro pick your best team. I’m not asking you to do so otherwise.

My argument is that our best team is captained by Wasim Akram, an all but convicted match fixer, rounded out by Saleem Malik, a convicted match fixer, Ijaz Ahmed and Moin Khan, well known to be serial betters and gamblers, and Akhtar, who is more likely to fail a drug test before the match than to show up fully fit.

There’s a big difference in making excuses about selection (and I’ll give you whatever current India team combo you want, trust me) and simply not knowing whether your team that has a GOAT record in away conditions, comparable to Australia of the 00’s, is paid off not to perform on a given day. Go read the Qayyum report, many of these same home tests you’re pointing to are mentioned in that.

If we assume everyone is morally honest, there’s just no comparison.

This Indian team lost to a non-peak Australia in India. This batting order doesn’t stand a chance against the two best exponents of reverse swing of all time, plus the express pacer who made Sachin, Dravid, VVS, Ponting, Lara look like chickens.
 
Bro pick your best team. I’m not asking you to do so otherwise.

My argument is that our best team is captained by Wasim Akram, an all but convicted match fixer, rounded out by Saleem Malik, a convicted match fixer, Ijaz Ahmed and Moin Khan, well known to be serial betters and gamblers, and Akhtar, who is more likely to fail a drug test before the match than to show up fully fit.

There’s a big difference in making excuses about selection (and I’ll give you whatever current India team combo you want, trust me) and simply not knowing whether your team that has a GOAT record in away conditions, comparable to Australia of the 00’s, is paid off not to perform on a given day. Go read the Qayyum report, many of these same home tests you’re pointing to are mentioned in that.

If we assume everyone is morally honest, there’s just no comparison.

This Indian team lost to a non-peak Australia in India. This batting order doesn’t stand a chance against the two best exponents of reverse swing of all time, plus the express pacer who made Sachin, Dravid, VVS, Ponting, Lara look like chickens.

The one that travelled to India was Australia's best team this decade. They lost the series to India when Kohli was in the worst form of his life.
I just don't buy it. Look at Indias record in India and India now have to play t20 and odi unlike Pakistan of 90s. All these have to be accounted for. I don't see Pakistan of 90s who were wildly inconsistent beating India in Asia. I am sorry. Just don't see it.

Your bowling is good. So is India's. Pakistan couldn't dominate a weak India of 90s or Sri Lanka. So I don't see them winning vs virat's peak Indian side.

What express Pacer? Shoaib? Current players play pace better than past era's. It's swing that India has trouble with and that's due to no county experience. Give these players some county experience and they would dominate even in swing conditions.

It's all conjecture. Judging by your performances in 90s overall even after accounting for fixing, you guys just weren't a complete enough team to beat India in Asia.
Virat's peak version is the best Asian team in Asian Condtions.

Yes now they are rebuilding again but at their best they were simply phenomenal.
 
You really think the team consisting of the Jokers Shaw, Agarwal and Vihari are better than the team Ganguly captained.
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Ganguly's team was much better than this overrated bunch of pseudo Agro boys which had Tendu, Dravid, Laxman, Sadagoppan Ramesh than came sehwag. Hell even Wasim Jaffer was so much better than this overrated boys. Srinath, Kumble, Agarkar, Zaheer, Nehra, Harbhajan are criminally very underrated.

Please be subtle in trolling and don't behave like Rakhi Sawant for seeking attention.

Ok this made me laugh!
 
The one that travelled to India was Australia's best team this decade. They lost the series to India when Kohli was in the worst form of his life.
I just don't buy it. Look at Indias record in India and India now have to play t20 and odi unlike Pakistan of 90s. All these have to be accounted for. I don't see Pakistan of 90s who were wildly inconsistent beating India in Asia. I am sorry. Just don't see it.

Your bowling is good. So is India's. Pakistan couldn't dominate a weak India of 90s or Sri Lanka. So I don't see them winning vs virat's peak Indian side.

What express Pacer? Shoaib? Current players play pace better than past era's. It's swing that India has trouble with and that's due to no county experience. Give these players some county experience and they would dominate even in swing conditions.

It's all conjecture. Judging by your performances in 90s overall even after accounting for fixing, you guys just weren't a complete enough team to beat India in Asia.
Virat's peak version is the best Asian team in Asian Condtions.

Yes now they are rebuilding again but at their best they were simply phenomenal.

So you admit the current players have trouble with swing but you also say they would dominate Wasim and Waqar?
 
So you admit the current players have trouble with swing but you also say they would dominate Wasim and Waqar?

Check waqara record vs India. :apology.

We are talking about Asian Condtions bro.

It will be extremely hard for Pakistan or 90s to beat India. It will be competitive.

Current current team or peak virat's team of 2017-2018. If it's the best version then India wins in India. It will be a close battle in u.a.e.

Current players will be a tough one. Many of them lack county experience because they make too much cash via IPL and sponsorships plus endorsements etc. Motivation is a factor too.

I still think current India can win at home and will lose in Pakistan or draw. Banana swi g won't work in U.a.e
 
I reckon the Pakistan XI of the 1990s would have given the current Kiwis a run for their money in the test championship final rather than getting smashed like India.

The likes of Anwar, Inzi, Wasim, Waqar, Akhtar, Saqi, Moin, Mehmood, Razzler would have brought their A+ game to the table without a shadow of doubt!

Utterly disappointing stuff by India!!!
 
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