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Danish Aziz - First Impressions in International Cricket

Saeed Anwar scored a pair in his test debut, it would have been interesting to see what comments would have been like if the internet was around then.

Obviously not comparing Aziz to Anwar but just pointing out that it’s childish to write someone off after a single game.

Two games and dropped. The dude's technique is awful, look at the second ODI the ball that got him out he ends up crouching in his stance before the ball, on bouncy pitches you can't do that as it takes time to cover the bounce hence why he kept getting out to bouncers.
 
T20I debut for Danish Aziz vs Zimbabwe today

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T20I debut for Danish Aziz vs Zimbabwe today

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FC avg of 19 and you expect him to perform at international level i can name 100+ players in domestic with 40+ fc avg right now
 
FC avg of 19 and you expect him to perform at international level i can name 100+ players in domestic with 40+ fc avg right now

let's look at t20 and not first class. He did better than Haider in my view, let's see what he does on Friday deserves a full chance and to be honest might as well.
 
Haider, Khusdil and Danish all are rubbish and have no future. We should look for better batsman rather than these hacks.
Also need to get rid of con coaches like Waqar, Younis and Misbah. No decent player can develop under them.
 
One of the worst player ever.He is in the league of great Asif Ali iftikhar Ahmed khushdil Shah and Hussain talat.He is awful.
 
Danish does not deserve to play for Pakistan.He should not have been selected.Time is running out for Haider.May be give him one more chance.Nawaz can not bat.He is not an all rounder.A specialist spinner or a spinner who can bat should replace him.
 
Going forward Pakistan should set a benchmark of 45+ domestic average with minimum 50 List A game and 40 FC games.
 
He is pathetic player just like Asif Ali iftikhar Ahmed khushdil Shah.I hope I never see him in Pakistan jersey again.
 
Garbage mediocre player who should be booted out permanently ....
 
He is pathetic player just like Asif Ali iftikhar Ahmed khushdil Shah.I hope I never see him in Pakistan jersey again.

Khushdil won the match last time in Pakistan against Zim with couple of hits so means Danish and Asil are not even FC level players should be demoted to grade 2
 
An atrocious and embarrassing innings. I would only be content if he never played another game for Pakistan again.
 
Genuine question. On what basis has this guy been selected?
I don't even recall him in the PSL not that is enough for a call up

His innings was atrocious - never looked like hitting a boundary. The only 1 he hit was a full toss that just about made it past the rope. Abysmal
 
He is motivation to every pathetic looser.. If this guy can get into an international team then anyone can achieve anything in life...
 
One of the worst cricketer played for Pakistan. I have said this during South Africa series as well that he isn't an international cricketer. Don't need to see more of him to judge that.
 
He is in the same league as Khushdil, Asif and Cha Cha Ifti. There is zero talent in Pakistan!
 
He is just like 99% of the batsman in Pakistan – he has no talent, skill and intelligence to perform at the highest level.
 
Another misfit. He is not good enough for International cricket. He only played a few decent innings in domestic and he has poor numbers overall. It was predictable that he would fail.
 
Not if this is how he will play! Absolutely made a meal of the run chase

Still would give him the last game atleast then he had a reasonable amount of games to prove himself and that no one can complain that he wasn't given sufficient chances.
 
Another misfit. He is not good enough for International cricket. He only played a few decent innings in domestic and he has poor numbers overall. It was predictable that he would fail.

Honestly, totally threw away the chance to be a regular. He had good performances in domestic and it's not as if he can't bat but i'm deeply saddened and disappointed by his personal performances.
 
Not impressed at all. Seems timid at the crease and doesn’t seem to have much batting awareness at the crease.
 
I’m all for giving youngsters a chance , but come on they shouldn’t make it so cheap and easy to get to play international cricket for the Pakistan national team.

Danish Aziz’s batting stats if I’m looking at the right profile show that he’s scored a total of 3 scores of 50 in his entire T20 career, at domestic level. He has scored one 100 in his entire one-day career in domestic cricket , yes that’s right - and he’s averaging 30 odd in all forms.

Wow , he clearly must have impressed someone ..

This is insane , you need players to at least do something ‘special’ at some level in domestic cricket or youth level before you select them for the national team ?
 
Never expected much from these guys, my biggest worry is if Abdulla Shafiq is as poor as these modern day legends.
 
I wish the lad well, but on what basis has he been picked to play international cricket?

His stats are mediocre at best in domestic cricket and I would be concerned about the credentials of a batsman who averages 19 in First-class cricket.
 
It is not just the low scores — a quality player can have a string of low scores but he will still look like a good player, but this guy seems to have virtually no ability to perform at this level.

He is yet to time a single shot and is always late on the ball. Has no power game either.

A complete dud. He is even worse than Asif Ali who can fluke a few big hits every now and then.
 
I wish the lad well, but on what basis has he been picked to play international cricket?

His stats are mediocre at best in domestic cricket and I would be concerned about the credentials of a batsman who averages 19 in First-class cricket.

I'm pretty sure you wanted him tried at one point though.
 
Not surprised he failed.

Another very, very poor batsman selected with an atrocious FC record based on some T20 performances, where he mainly hit the spinners.

Said it after his first impressions and proved to be correct.

Abysmal batsman.
 
Trying Danish did make sense because he had a decent domestic season and the cupboard is bare. Atleast he has an offside game, unlike the guy he replaced.
 
I'm pretty sure you wanted him tried at one point though.

Well if he's in a squad then they may as well play him, or are we picking players nowadays as specialist drinks and towel carriers?

The same goes for Abdullah Shafiq, they are including him in squads and not playing him. What's the point of that.

Either don't pick a player, or if you do, give him a chance.

It's obvious isn't it.
 
He is simply not good enough. There is no talent in his batting

Glen Maxwell averages 40+ in FC and he is a white ball specialist. We have players averaging 19 and 24 in FC playing international cricket
 
Absolutely no footwork and absolutely no balance in the batting posture.
And absolutely no idea that a concept of “driving the ball on the front foot” could possibly exist in batting.

He knows only one way to make a contact with the ball.

He will stretch his arms where the bat’s face is towards midwicket, and bat’s toe is towards the umpire in line of the off the middle stump.

And when the ball comes close to the bat’s range, he will pull the bat’s handle towards his tummy as if he wants to put some sorta side spin on the ball making sure it won’t go away more than 5 feet.
 
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Don't ever want to see him in Pakistan colors again. Just like I don't ever want to see Husain Talat or Asif Ali in Pakistan colors again.
 
Don't ever want to see him in Pakistan colors again. Just like I don't ever want to see Husain Talat or Asif Ali in Pakistan colors again.

Players take time to develop, Be patient. What if Danish Aziz learns from this experience, works on his weaknesses, and then becomes the top performer in domestic cricket for the next 3-4 years?
Do you remember Rizwan when he first debut? He was so out of sorts but worked on his game and came back a stronger player.
 
Said it after his first impressions and proved to be correct.

Abysmal batsman.

I still can’t get my head around it after seeing him play for five minutes.

How in the hell, can such third class batting posture, impress the selectors to a point that he is interjected into the Natuonal squad?

Totally disappointed by Muhammad Wasim.
 
Players take time to develop, Be patient. What if Danish Aziz learns from this experience, works on his weaknesses, and then becomes the top performer in domestic cricket for the next 3-4 years?
Do you remember Rizwan when he first debut? He was so out of sorts but worked on his game and came back a stronger player.

Watching his innings in the 2nd T20 was an ugly and unpleasant experience that I just never want to willingly go through again. It was one of those things you just can't unsee, once you see it.

Does he have a chance of improving? Maybe. It's probable. But based on what I saw in South Africa and especially in that match; I wouldn't bet on it. And I would simply be a happier man if I never have to go through the experience of watching him bat for Pakistan again. But hey, maybe that's just me.
 
I still can’t get my head around it after seeing him play for five minutes.

How in the hell, can such third class batting posture, impress the selectors to a point that he is interjected into the Natuonal squad?

Totally disappointed by Muhammad Wasim.

As much as I want to agree with you because of my distaste for Mohammad Wasim, I don't think its valid in this case.

What's actually concerning is that this guy was doing quite well in domestic cricket. He averaged over 70 in the last editions of Pakistan Cup and the NT20 Cup. In both tournaments he excelled in the role of the finisher and also performed with the ball. This is concerning because it speaks volumes about our domestic system. Guys like these who are star performers literally melt under the pressure against an inexperienced minnow bowling-attack of medium-pacers.
 
Watching his innings in the 2nd T20 was an ugly and unpleasant experience that I just never want to willingly go through again. It was one of those things you just can't unsee, once you see it.

Does he have a chance of improving? Maybe. It's probable. But based on what I saw in South Africa and especially in that match; I wouldn't bet on it. And I would simply be a happier man if I never have to go through the experience of watching him bat for Pakistan again. But hey, maybe that's just me.

How did the “experienced” Hafeez look on that wicket? Whose experience is as much as the age of the kid lol What about the “world no 1 batsman”? How was he doing on that pitch?
The whole team failed to time the ball on that wicket, Danish is being used a scapegoat. The guy is on debut and actually was the 2nd best scorer when he should be the one carried
 
As much as I want to agree with you because of my distaste for Mohammad Wasim, I don't think its valid in this case.

What's actually concerning is that this guy was doing quite well in domestic cricket. He averaged over 70 in the last editions of Pakistan Cup and the NT20 Cup. In both tournaments he excelled in the role of the finisher and also performed with the ball. This is concerning because it speaks volumes about our domestic system. Guys like these who are star performers literally melt under the pressure against an inexperienced minnow bowling-attack of medium-pacers.

If I was a selector, I would perhaps adhere to a philosophy that domestic scorecards are not THE ONLY criteria for selection.

We have already seen this many, many times that a player breaks into the national team because selectors can’t see beyond domestic scorecards.
The player miserably fails in the international arena; is pushed back into domestic where he piles tons upon tons of runs again, gets back into the national squad, fails again, is moved into domestic, and process repeats, cycle continues.

Selectors MUST have an eye to identify the natural talent that may not necessarily be captured in the domestic scorecards. There is always that needle in the hay stack, and selectors MUST be able to find it.

Yes, domestic chart toppers is a very strong factor but looks like we have a set of blind selector who use brail to read the domestic scorecards and pick the players.
 
When players like Danish are topping domestic charts, it simply shows that there is no talent in the country.

When talentless players compete, someone will shine. It is the same situation here.

The reality is that 99% of the players in Pakistan are completely rubbish no matter how much our fans hype them and how many Talent Spotter threads we create for them on PP.

Our domestic cricket and our domestic players are basically associate level, and this drama of reducing the number of teams will not make a difference when the talent is not there.

India is a beast of a cricket team with 38 teams, and yes they have 1.3 billion people, but if less teams = greater quality, imagine how great the Indian players would have to be to break into domestic cricket if there are only 12 teams (instead of 38) to cater to 1.3 billion people.

However, it clearly doesn’t work that way. Pakistan can reduce teams all the want, players like Danish will still come through the system because this is the talent and quality that we have.
 
When players like Danish are topping domestic charts, it simply shows that there is no talent in the country.

When talentless players compete, someone will shine. It is the same situation here.

The reality is that 99% of the players in Pakistan are completely rubbish no matter how much our fans hype them and how many Talent Spotter threads we create for them on PP.

Our domestic cricket and our domestic players are basically associate level, and this drama of reducing the number of teams will not make a difference when the talent is not there.

India is a beast of a cricket team with 38 teams, and yes they have 1.3 billion people, but if less teams = greater quality, imagine how great the Indian players would have to be to break into domestic cricket if there are only 12 teams (instead of 38) to cater to 1.3 billion people.

However, it clearly doesn’t work that way. Pakistan can reduce teams all the want, players like Danish will still come through the system because this is the talent and quality that we have.
More teams means more rubbish players. We are already struggling to get some decent players why not bar those players who don’t have any future. Instead we should keep trying and introduce new players preferably from U19/23 with better coaching system. We may find few decent players.
 
More teams means more rubbish players. We are already struggling to get some decent players why not bar those players who don’t have any future. Instead we should keep trying and introduce new players preferably from U19/23 with better coaching system. We may find few decent players.

More teams means more opportunities for new players.

It is important to understand that most domestic teams continue to pick players who perform in domestic cricket even though they have nothing to offer in international cricket.

In every domestic system around the world, you will find many domestic legends who are international failures, and they continue to hog places in domestic cricket because they perform at that level.

Danish Aziz is not good enough for international level, but as long as he performs in domestic cricket, he will get picked.

In all 6 teams, you will find 2-3 such players if not more. They have no utility for Pakistan and they could potentially keep out the potential players in the 1% bracket that could be international class.

When there is a talent crisis in the country, reducing number of teams and that too to such an extreme level considering our population is counterproductive.
 
If I was a selector, I would perhaps adhere to a philosophy that domestic scorecards are not THE ONLY criteria for selection.

We have already seen this many, many times that a player breaks into the national team because selectors can’t see beyond domestic scorecards.
The player miserably fails in the international arena; is pushed back into domestic where he piles tons upon tons of runs again, gets back into the national squad, fails again, is moved into domestic, and process repeats, cycle continues.

Selectors MUST have an eye to identify the natural talent that may not necessarily be captured in the domestic scorecards. There is always that needle in the hay stack, and selectors MUST be able to find it.

Yes, domestic chart toppers is a very strong factor but looks like we have a set of blind selector who use brail to read the domestic scorecards and pick the players.

I see what you mean. Selectors should have a natural eye for spotting talent. But another criteria in my opinion should be not selecting players after one good season.

We see this way too often that a player has one good season and is propelled into the national team only for him to fall flat on the international stage. Imran Butt is the last example of this. The alternative is to let guys perform consistently over a period of time and then select them.
 
How did the “experienced” Hafeez look on that wicket? Whose experience is as much as the age of the kid lol What about the “world no 1 batsman”? How was he doing on that pitch?
The whole team failed to time the ball on that wicket, Danish is being used a scapegoat. The guy is on debut and actually was the 2nd best scorer when he should be the one carried

Experienced Hafeez has been Pakistan's best T20 batsman over the last year. What has Danish accomplished?

And the problem is not that he didn't win us the game. If he had gotten out after a couple of balls there would likely be less anger directed towards him. The fact that he played so many balls and batted as miserably as he did is the problem. He thoroughly exposed himself as being mentally weak and the fact that you are doing cartwheels to defend his atrocious innings is very low on your part. There is absolutely no justification for that horrendous innings.
 
Experienced Hafeez has been Pakistan's best T20 batsman over the last year. What has Danish accomplished?

And the problem is not that he didn't win us the game. If he had gotten out after a couple of balls there would likely be less anger directed towards him. The fact that he played so many balls and batted as miserably as he did is the problem. He thoroughly exposed himself as being mentally weak and the fact that you are doing cartwheels to defend his atrocious innings is very low on your part. There is absolutely no justification for that horrendous innings.

Yes, a kid on debut was supposed to outperform the uncle whose "Pakistan's best batsman"! lol
On double-paced wickets where all the "experienced" batsmen were struggling and batting atrociously, it is totally unfair to judge a debutant. Whether Danish is a world class talent or not, I don't think this series was conclusive either way. Fans need to be patient with new talent as they find their feet.
 
The reality is that 99% of the players in Pakistan are completely rubbish no matter how much our fans hype them and how many Talent Spotter threads we create for them on PP.

I don't think we say anywhere in our Talent Spotters that the player will go on to be a cricketing legend.
 
I see what you mean. Selectors should have a natural eye for spotting talent. But another criteria in my opinion should be not selecting players after one good season.

We see this way too often that a player has one good season and is propelled into the national team only for him to fall flat on the international stage. Imran Butt is the last example of this. The alternative is to let guys perform consistently over a period of time and then select them.

Yes, that's a pretty fair and valid point.
Also, as Inzi recently stated that perhaps you can fast track an extra talented BOWLER from domestic to the international arena. But this should not be done with the BATSMEN.

Batsmen must go through the grind of domestic (and ideally in Jr. Level international games) so that they are well seasoned, and only then, you can start their transition into the national team.
 
It was a poor selection in the first place. He has no domestic record to speak of except domestic t20 which means almost nothing with the existence of PSL where the best Pakistani players play (as well as some international level cricketers) he’s not facing strong bowling. The next step really should have been drafted into the PSL, perform there and then could be considered for selection. Psl should have been the next step for him not internationals.
 
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Yes, a kid on debut was supposed to outperform the uncle whose "Pakistan's best batsman"! lol
On double-paced wickets where all the "experienced" batsmen were struggling and batting atrociously, it is totally unfair to judge a debutant. Whether Danish is a world class talent or not, I don't think this series was conclusive either way. Fans need to be patient with new talent as they find their feet.

It is absolutely fair to judge a debutant when he goes out and embarrasses himself the way that Danish Aziz did. Its not like he was playing cricket for the first time (eventhough it may have looked like it). He has been playing professional cricket for years.

And you need to understand that not everyone is going to share your love for mentally weak players who have no business playing for Pakistan.
 
Pakistan need a big hitter No.6/7 in the team. So whoever in domestic cricket or PSL has a good innings or couple of innings, Pakistan will bring him in. Pakistan have tried sooooo many as hitters that they will take whoever is available. From Khushdil to Asif to Ifti to now to Danish.

Now Danish and Khushdil have time and need proper good coaching to power hitters or aggressive batsman for the team. But the way they have played in tntl. cricket makes you hope and pray they do improve.
 
Yes, that's a pretty fair and valid point.
Also, as Inzi recently stated that perhaps you can fast track an extra talented BOWLER from domestic to the international arena. But this should not be done with the BATSMEN.

Batsmen must go through the grind of domestic (and ideally in Jr. Level international games) so that they are well seasoned, and only then, you can start their transition into the national team.

Yeah I agree with all that wholeheartedly, especially the part about batsmen. I would even say that A team cricket is a must before selecting guys for international cricket since its the closest thing to international cricket. But unfortunately our cash-strapped board doesn't have the money to arrange regular A team tours.
 
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It is absolutely fair to judge a debutant when he goes out and embarrasses himself the way that Danish Aziz did. Its not like he was playing cricket for the first time (eventhough it may have looked like it). He has been playing professional cricket for years.

And you need to understand that not everyone is going to share your love for mentally weak players who have no business playing for Pakistan.

I thought the whole team’s batting was embarrassing, and there wasn’t anything about Danish’s batting that stood out where all the batsmen looked miserable.

It’s too soon to judge whether Danish is mentally weak or strong. Time will tell. These type of premature comments are made about many debutants including about Rizwan.
 
Yeah I agree with all that wholeheartedly, especially the part about batsmen. I would even say that A team cricket is a must before selecting guys for international cricket since its the closest thing to international cricket. But unfortunately our cash-strapped board doesn't have the money to arrange regular A team tours.

+1 they really need some benchmarks such as minimum number of List A matches and average to be eligible for selection. Guys like Danish and Haider were selected way to early.
 
I thought the whole team’s batting was embarrassing, and there wasn’t anything about Danish’s batting that stood out where all the batsmen looked miserable.

It’s too soon to judge whether Danish is mentally weak or strong. Time will tell. These type of premature comments are made about many debutants including about Rizwan.

Except it did. It stuck out like a sore thumb.

I may be wrong, only time will tell. But I am willing to NOT give him the benefit of the doubt simply because of how much that innings angered me.
 
He has a poor first class record, it’s also worrying how at the age of 25 he plays like a teenager. Just sums up how we develop a majority of players.
 
If your technique isn’t good only your good temperament can save you. However if you have neither of them then you must be God’s favourite to survive. So this 25 year old( or is he?) has either of these qualities? What surprises me is that these guys have no one to inspire them. They should look at their Indian contemporaries, who are a zillion miles ahead .
 
I thought the whole team’s batting was embarrassing, and there wasn’t anything about Danish’s batting that stood out where all the batsmen looked miserable.

It’s too soon to judge whether Danish is mentally weak or strong. Time will tell. These type of premature comments are made about many debutants including about Rizwan.


lol, are you kidding with me?
Seriously, even a blind man could see that his batting is not even galli mohallah quality.
His batting has angered me so much that I would never want to see him again in Pak colors.
 
lol, are you kidding with me?
Seriously, even a blind man could see that his batting is not even galli mohallah quality.
His batting has angered me so much that I would never want to see him again in Pak colors.

The entire line-up looked galli mohallah quality on that day
 
It's Pakistan team and the best 11 should play as determined by performance. Doesn't matter if the name is Fawad Alam or Danish Aziz.

Yeah and Danish Aziz isn't even in the best 50 so please stop your cheerleading. I don't think I have conversed with anyone here who celebrates failure quite like you. Its simply unending.
 
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Yeah and Danish Aziz isn't even in the best 50 so please stop your cheerleading. I don't think I have conversed with anyone here who celebrates failure quite like you. Its simply unending.

Whether the kid is bottom 50 or top 50, it’s too soon to tell.
He could be anyone - world champion or nowhere in next 5-10 years, only time will tell.
I hope Danish Aziz learns from these failure, works hard and proves his critics wrong.
Saeed Anwar got a pair on test debut, what’s more atrocious than that?
Does anyone remember Muhammad Asif’s painful debut or Aqib Javed’s lol This list is endless with weak debutants going on to build illustrious careers.
 
Whether the kid is bottom 50 or top 50, it’s too soon to tell.
He could be anyone - world champion or nowhere in next 5-10 years, only time will tell.
I hope Danish Aziz learns from these failure, works hard and proves his critics wrong.
Saeed Anwar got a pair on test debut, what’s more atrocious than that?
Does anyone remember Muhammad Asif’s painful debut or Aqib Javed’s lol This list is endless with weak debutants going on to build illustrious careers.

Sure bro. Just keep celebrating failure
 
Whether the kid is bottom 50 or top 50, it’s too soon to tell.
He could be anyone - world champion or nowhere in next 5-10 years, only time will tell.
I hope Danish Aziz learns from these failure, works hard and proves his critics wrong.
Saeed Anwar got a pair on test debut, what’s more atrocious than that?
Does anyone remember Muhammad Asif’s painful debut or Aqib Javed’s lol This list is endless with weak debutants going on to build illustrious careers.

They had some domestic record behind them, stop living in a fantasy land. This Danish guy is not a solution.
 
I agree with the opinions that a player shouldnt be selected after one good season and process should improve. Problem is that guys like Khushdil Shah and Iftikhar Ahmed have unearthly List A records based upon consistent performances but, unfortunately they also couldn’t click. Surprisingly it wasnt like they got exposed by extraordinary research of opposition, they just couldn’t even hit balls in their arcs which they would dispatch 9/10 times in domestic cricket and sometimes even against better bowlers as well in comparison to some they faced.

The criteria mentioned regarding not getting player in after one good season still stands and should be implemented to get the process right. However, at the same time the issue with even some consistent performers is that they are mentally struggling to adapt to international level so that is something to be worked upon. Whenever a player is going to come at no 5 or 6 in T20 cricket or sometime even in ODI cricket the pressure is going to be on, so that mental block of some players needs to be worked upon as the way they have been lacking confidence and their overall poor body language is not going to work.
 
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They had some domestic record behind them, stop living in a fantasy land. This Danish guy is not a solution.


No one is suggesting Danish to be the solution nor does Danish have good domestic stats. He just has 1 good season and should not have been in the team in the first-place.
That being said, it’s too soon to write off ANY player after a few bad performances. Players work hard, develop themselves and everyone is capable of transforming themselves.
Imran Khan is the greatest example who started as a below-average player, worked hard and TRANSFORMED into a world-class player.
You can’t right off a 25 year debutant who might come back stronger and I hope so.
 
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