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An Anti-Terrorism Court (ATC) on Saturday sentenced a man to death for sharing blasphemous content about Islam on social media, a government prosecutor said.

ATC Judge Shabir Ahmed announced the sentence for the 30-year-old accused in Bahawalpur, according to Shafiq Qureshi.

The Counter Terrorism Department (CTD) had arrested the accused, who belongs to the Shia community, last year in Bahawalpur.

The accused, who hails from Okara, had allegedly posted derogatory content about prominent Sunni religious figures and the Holy Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and his wives on Facebook.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1338684/first-death-sentence-handed-to-man-for-blasphemy-on-social-media

So what are we now? A new Saudi Arabia? Yeah what a country to follow.
 
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Very Sad. Horrible either ways.


No matter how much you get hurt by Blasphemy of Prophet Pbuh, companions RA, Caliphs RA or Wives RA still


Going by Islam there is No worldly punishment for Blasphemy. Allah has taken this in his own hand the subjects of Blasphemy and Apostasy.



There should be No punishment for Blasphemy. Unfortunately even if you do would have things like fine or some jail term than current atnosphere is so voilent that Mob justice won't allow him to Breath.


Can't say whether this person committed blasphemy or not but alot of cases are made basis on enmity, fake accounts etc.


On many Forums I have myself witnessed such blasphemous material being published in sectarian debates. I did mention this to Hadi bhai today. Now we will see more fights :'(


This would ignite alot of flame. May Allah keep Us All Safe.
 
No one considers Pakistan as a benchmark for anything good so I will say image of Pakistan is intact.
There is reason why such countries are left behind in last 300 years from Western Europe.
 
I am sure, this guy will not be hanged.
Pakistan is a weak country and cannot justify to world community.

Earlier today, premier of China snubbed Nawaz on the killing of two chinese teachers.
 
I am sure, this guy will not be hanged.
Pakistan is a weak country and cannot justify to world community.

Earlier today, premier of China snubbed Nawaz on the killing of two chinese teachers.

First of all, the guy will be hanged... hence the death sentence. If he's not then that's great news. And Pakistan is the last country on the planet who cares about justifying the things they do to the world community. Although this is not necessarily a good thing.

As for that last statement. It is false. Nawaz had 2 scheduled meeting with Xi. That doesn't mean we should think of this as a norm. We need to protect foreigners that are helping the country. But then again when you have things like this going on no wonder things are bad.
 
First of all, the guy will be hanged... hence the death sentence. If he's not then that's great news. And Pakistan is the last country on the planet who cares about justifying the things they do to the world community. Although this is not necessarily a good thing.

As for that last statement. It is false. Nawaz had 2 scheduled meeting with Xi. That doesn't mean we should think of this as a norm. We need to protect foreigners that are helping the country. But then again when you have things like this going on no wonder things are bad.

It's my assessment, the guy will not be hanged.
Let's track this case for next two years to see if if my assessment is right or not.

Regarding snub:
http://www.ndtv.com/world-news/xi-j...se-nationals-1710507?pfrom=home-lateststories
 
Yes. That's, as Trumpy would put it, FAKE NEWS. Read the actual schedule.
In such conferences, it's not unusual to setup ad-hoc meetings.
Article never claimed that a schedule meeting got scheduled so it's unjustified to call it fake.
Article says about customary meeting.
 
At least give the poor man a chance to explain. What exactly is considered as blasphemy like did he insult the Prophet's of Allah or Qur'an-e -Pak? It is a grey area that needs proper clarification. It could be that the accused simply chose to leave Islam that in Pak is considered blasphemy as well.
 
People need to be careful what they write or say these days. This is not west, but Pakistan, so why risk your life? It's not an ideal situation so please keep yourself safe first.
 
Lost for words. I'm scared now to put down my opinions for I don't know how that will be used against me. May the truth prevail.
 
First of all, the guy will be hanged... hence the death sentence. If he's not then that's great news. And Pakistan is the last country on the planet who cares about justifying the things they do to the world community. Although this is not necessarily a good thing.

As for that last statement. It is false. Nawaz had 2 scheduled meeting with Xi. That doesn't mean we should think of this as a norm. We need to protect foreigners that are helping the country. But then again when you have things like this going on no wonder things are bad.


We don't execute the punishment. The Poor Man will Rott in Jail forever. There are others who were given Death penalty and are in Jail for years. Aasiya Maseeh is one.


Than Bahawalpur University's Lecturer Junaid Hafeez is in Jail for years though verdict hasn't been announced yet.
 
Cant he pay blood money and get away?
Pathetic to execute people for some online post.

First Mashal was killed by mob and now someone else is killed by courts. I hope good sense prevails .
 
Pakistan isn't a safe place to live anymore. [MENTION=139075]Hadi Rizvi[/MENTION] check this out
 
I cannot explain my level of disgust. First of all, giving out death penalties so casually is the zenith of immorality. I used to have a lot of passion to serve the great country that was Pakistan but with all this extremism going on all the time, my love for the people of the nation seems to be fading. Each and every day we here of such things and I feel as though we live in medieval ages.

The Blasphemy Law is as prejudiced as a law can possibly be. First of all, there is no need for proof and the accused does not even have the right to justify himself or prove otherwise. Secondly, how casually the law is being used and how anyone can blame another of blasphemy so easily speaks of the dangerous times ahead that await us. Pakistan has become the perfect manifestation of extremism dwelling in every part of the community and the society. It paves the way for a fictional zombie apocalypse breathing reality and quite frankly, I have realized that Pakistan is the worst place to live is a minority. And lastly, the law is underhand - even if the accused is guilty of having committed blasphemy (which is mostly not the case), a death sentence is too harsh.

Not too long ago there was a thread on PP about whether you supported the capital punishment. And I said yes. Because I do, but only after trial, proper conduction of investigation, proof and evidence. And that too only for a particular set of crimes, like mass slaughter, terror or rape.

These sort of activities only give more confidence to and encourage terrorism. Difficult times await the citizens who will so adamantly support this ruling. It's about time we start calling ourselves Al-Bakistani's.
 
Cant he pay blood money and get away?
Pathetic to execute people for some online post.

First Mashal was killed by mob and now someone else is killed by courts. I hope good sense prevails .


Blood Money is for Murder. He did not kill anyone.
 
Oh my bad, still there should be a way out like repenting or asking for forgiveness.

If opinions, not action hurts you then you should be able to forgive them if they repent and admit their mistake.
 
This idiot knew the consequences of what he was doing, living in Pakistan. If he truly is guilty for what he did, I hope he gets roughed up real good and then released. Execution should only be for serious things.
 
This idiot knew the consequences of what he was doing, living in Pakistan. If he truly is guilty for what he did, I hope he gets roughed up real good and then released. Execution should only be for serious things.

What will you do if Canada enact a law about ''roughing up Muslims because they wear a hijab''?

I wonder if you would still support it or criticise it?

Another one of the idiots living in the free West supporting extremist garbage back home.
 
I cannot explain my level of disgust. First of all, giving out death penalties so casually is the zenith of immorality. I used to have a lot of passion to serve the great country that was Pakistan but with all this extremism going on all the time, my love for the people of the nation seems to be fading. Each and every day we here of such things and I feel as though we live in medieval ages.

The Blasphemy Law is as prejudiced as a law can possibly be. First of all, there is no need for proof and the accused does not even have the right to justify himself or prove otherwise.
Secondly, how casually the law is being used and how anyone can blame another of blasphemy so easily speaks of the dangerous times ahead that await us. Pakistan has become the perfect manifestation of extremism dwelling in every part of the community and the society. It paves the way for a fictional zombie apocalypse breathing reality and quite frankly, I have realized that Pakistan is the worst place to live is a minority. And lastly, the law is underhand - even if the accused is guilty of having committed blasphemy (which is mostly not the case), a death sentence is too harsh.

Not too long ago there was a thread on PP about whether you supported the capital punishment. And I said yes. Because I do, but only after trial, proper conduction of investigation, proof and evidence. And that too only for a particular set of crimes, like mass slaughter, terror or rape.

These sort of activities only give more confidence to and encourage terrorism. Difficult times await the citizens who will so adamantly support this ruling. It's about time we start calling ourselves Al-Bakistani's.



For Cases like Aasiya Maseeh witnesses have to be presented where they state on Oath that they heard or witnessed the person uttering blasphemous stuff. Here they can Lie and Yes people lie on Oath in Courts


But here it is a case of Online Posts being reported so what the state has to do ?


State has to confirm that the facebook account wasn't hacked and the IP adresses or the IT equipment were consistent and were used by the Users. So if the State proves that there was no hacking of account than the material posted is judged.



Now what Ahl e Sunnat consider as blasphemy of Caliphs & Wife of Prophet Pbuh is considered truth, facts & reality by Shia's and not blasphemy. So where will you draw the lines ?



Shia are the largest Minority of Pakistan in terms of numbers. They may not be in bigger numbers than Deobandi and Barelwi Sects but they are in bigger numbers than each of the remaining 69 or 70 Sects of Islam. Furthermore Pakistan Law calls you Muslim and even otherwise Yes you are Muslim indeed. So, the mistake you people did was that You people did not file a petition in Pakistan's Shariat Court and still you people don't but you should.


Your Ulema should file a case and say look Blasphemy is a very general thing. What you (Ahl e Sunnat) call blasphemy is not blasphemy for Us but reality and truth. Similarly what you claim or say about Our Shia Imam's and their actions is truth for you but lies and Blaspheny for Us. Plus their are other religions in Pakistan too. For example a Hindu is a Hindu because He believes Mohammad Pbuh is a Imposter Prophet and they await Mahamatt. If they believe Mohammad Pbuh was a true prophet than they wouldn't have remained Hindu at the first place and accepted Islam. But if a Hindu calls Mohammad Pbuh an impostor Lier in a video or infront of 4 Muslim witnesses than it will be considered a blasphemy and Law will take it's course. Same for Christians and others.


So since you cannot generalise or soecify Blasphemy hence this Law should be Abolished.



Another thing which you people don't state and should be part of the argument is that there is No worldly punishment of any sort prescribed in Quran for Blasphemy against Allah, Prophet's or anybody so since we Millions of Shia do not believe in Ahl e Sunnat defense from History of instances of Blasphemy and have our own narrations so this Law cannot stand when the thing Common amongst Us is Quran which has no punishment for this offence.




Since We are not considered Muslim by State so we cannot file this Petition. Only Constitutiinal Muslims can. Because it is claimed that this is a Islamic Law




Ultimately it will help all Minorities of Pakistan. Wrt Religious Orientation Shia are the 3rd Largest group in Pakistan in terms of numbers so they can't even be called Minority when they outweigh around 67-70 Sects of Islam and other religions. So they have got to Cash their Strength positively. Because nunbers matter.
 
I cannot explain my level of disgust. First of all, giving out death penalties so casually is the zenith of immorality. I used to have a lot of passion to serve the great country that was Pakistan but with all this extremism going on all the time, my love for the people of the nation seems to be fading. Each and every day we here of such things and I feel as though we live in medieval ages.

The Blasphemy Law is as prejudiced as a law can possibly be. First of all, there is no need for proof and the accused does not even have the right to justify himself or prove otherwise. Secondly, how casually the law is being used and how anyone can blame another of blasphemy so easily speaks of the dangerous times ahead that await us. Pakistan has become the perfect manifestation of extremism dwelling in every part of the community and the society. It paves the way for a fictional zombie apocalypse breathing reality and quite frankly, I have realized that Pakistan is the worst place to live is a minority. And lastly, the law is underhand - even if the accused is guilty of having committed blasphemy (which is mostly not the case), a death sentence is too harsh.

Not too long ago there was a thread on PP about whether you supported the capital punishment. And I said yes. Because I do, but only after trial, proper conduction of investigation, proof and evidence. And that too only for a particular set of crimes, like mass slaughter, terror or rape.

These sort of activities only give more confidence to and encourage terrorism. Difficult times await the citizens who will so adamantly support this ruling. It's about time we start calling ourselves Al-Bakistani's.

Sadly, as Bilal is an indication above, our country will continue to be in the dumps because of the idiotic mentalities, the diabolical justice system and the ridiculous application of laws.

We have an epidemic of corruption, nepotism, gun-crime sweeping our nation and these courts are chasing people on Facebook posts. :))
 
For Cases like Aasiya Maseeh witnesses have to be presented where they state on Oath that they heard or witnessed the person uttering blasphemous stuff. Here they can Lie and Yes people lie on Oath in Courts


But here it is a case of Online Posts being reported so what the state has to do ?


State has to confirm that the facebook account wasn't hacked and the IP adresses or the IT equipment were consistent and were used by the Users. So if the State proves that there was no hacking of account than the material posted is judged.



Now what Ahl e Sunnat consider as blasphemy of Caliphs & Wife of Prophet Pbuh is considered truth, facts & reality by Shia's and not blasphemy. So where will you draw the lines ?



Shia are the largest Minority of Pakistan in terms of numbers. They may not be in bigger numbers than Deobandi and Barelwi Sects but they are in bigger numbers than each of the remaining 69 or 70 Sects of Islam. Furthermore Pakistan Law calls you Muslim and even otherwise Yes you are Muslim indeed. So, the mistake you people did was that You people did not file a petition in Pakistan's Shariat Court and still you people don't but you should.


Your Ulema should file a case and say look Blasphemy is a very general thing. What you (Ahl e Sunnat) call blasphemy is not blasphemy for Us but reality and truth. Similarly what you claim or say about Our Shia Imam's and their actions is truth for you but lies and Blaspheny for Us. Plus their are other religions in Pakistan too. For example a Hindu is a Hindu because He believes Mohammad Pbuh is a Imposter Prophet and they await Mahamatt. If they believe Mohammad Pbuh was a true prophet than they wouldn't have remained Hindu at the first place and accepted Islam. But if a Hindu calls Mohammad Pbuh an impostor Lier in a video or infront of 4 Muslim witnesses than it will be considered a blasphemy and Law will take it's course. Same for Christians and others.


So since you cannot generalise or soecify Blasphemy hence this Law should be Abolished.



Another thing which you people don't state and should be part of the argument is that there is No worldly punishment of any sort prescribed in Quran for Blasphemy against Allah, Prophet's or anybody so since we Millions of Shia do not believe in Ahl e Sunnat defense from History of instances of Blasphemy and have our own narrations so this Law cannot stand when the thing Common amongst Us is Quran which has no punishment for this offence.




Since We are not considered Muslim by State so we cannot file this Petition. Only Constitutiinal Muslims can. Because it is claimed that this is a Islamic Law




Ultimately it will help all Minorities of Pakistan. Wrt Religious Orientation Shia are the 3rd Largest group in Pakistan in terms of numbers so they can't even be called Minority when they outweigh around 67-70 Sects of Islam and other religions. So they have got to Cash their Strength positively. Because nunbers matter.

I understand everything bro and thanks for the insight but what do you mean by this? With all due respect, are you referring Ahmedi Muslims?
 
I understand everything bro and thanks for the insight but what do you mean by this? With all due respect, are you referring Ahmedi Muslims?


Yes we are not recognised as Muslims by the State since 1974 and this is No Secret.
 
For Cases like Aasiya Maseeh witnesses have to be presented where they state on Oath that they heard or witnessed the person uttering blasphemous stuff. Here they can Lie and Yes people lie on Oath in Courts


But here it is a case of Online Posts being reported so what the state has to do ?


State has to confirm that the facebook account wasn't hacked and the IP adresses or the IT equipment were consistent and were used by the Users. So if the State proves that there was no hacking of account than the material posted is judged.



Now what Ahl e Sunnat consider as blasphemy of Caliphs & Wife of Prophet Pbuh is considered truth, facts & reality by Shia's and not blasphemy. So where will you draw the lines ?



Shia are the largest Minority of Pakistan in terms of numbers. They may not be in bigger numbers than Deobandi and Barelwi Sects but they are in bigger numbers than each of the remaining 69 or 70 Sects of Islam. Furthermore Pakistan Law calls you Muslim and even otherwise Yes you are Muslim indeed. So, the mistake you people did was that You people did not file a petition in Pakistan's Shariat Court and still you people don't but you should.


Your Ulema should file a case and say look Blasphemy is a very general thing. What you (Ahl e Sunnat) call blasphemy is not blasphemy for Us but reality and truth. Similarly what you claim or say about Our Shia Imam's and their actions is truth for you but lies and Blaspheny for Us. Plus their are other religions in Pakistan too. For example a Hindu is a Hindu because He believes Mohammad Pbuh is a Imposter Prophet and they await Mahamatt. If they believe Mohammad Pbuh was a true prophet than they wouldn't have remained Hindu at the first place and accepted Islam. But if a Hindu calls Mohammad Pbuh an impostor Lier in a video or infront of 4 Muslim witnesses than it will be considered a blasphemy and Law will take it's course. Same for Christians and others.


So since you cannot generalise or soecify Blasphemy hence this Law should be Abolished.



Another thing which you people don't state and should be part of the argument is that there is No worldly punishment of any sort prescribed in Quran for Blasphemy against Allah, Prophet's or anybody so since we Millions of Shia do not believe in Ahl e Sunnat defense from History of instances of Blasphemy and have our own narrations so this Law cannot stand when the thing Common amongst Us is Quran which has no punishment for this offence.




Since We are not considered Muslim by State so we cannot file this Petition. Only Constitutiinal Muslims can. Because it is claimed that this is a Islamic Law




Ultimately it will help all Minorities of Pakistan. Wrt Religious Orientation Shia are the 3rd Largest group in Pakistan in terms of numbers so they can't even be called Minority when they outweigh around 67-70 Sects of Islam and other religions. So they have got to Cash their Strength positively. Because nunbers matter.
Religion has no role in politics so ulema of any sect should not do anything. Or parliament should be making religious fatway.

Pakistan should be a secular country.

If it does not become a secular country then it will simply disintegrate.
There will be a time, when west would decide and then there are several reasons to break this country.
 
Sadly, as Bilal is an indication above, our country will continue to be in the dumps because of the idiotic mentalities, the diabolical justice system and the ridiculous application of laws.

We have an epidemic of corruption, nepotism, gun-crime sweeping our nation and these courts are chasing people on Facebook posts. :))

It is a travesty. Really. I feel so betrayed by our government because they're promoting radicals. I wonder where this online police disappears when other matters are involved.

Not too long ago, a very good friend of mine commit suicide in Pakistan over some personal pictures being leaked by her Ex boyfriend. The family contacted the police and the cyber crime department but they said they could not do anything because it was leaked through a fake account and the IP address cannot be tracked.

This is how lazy and corrupt they are. Everything works perfectly fine when their own interests are in consideration.
 
Yes we are not recognised as Muslims by the State since 1974 and this is No Secret.

Oh. I had no idea you were Qadiyani bro.
As you may have earlier noticed, I am very vocal about my disgust with regards to this law. It is very sad that Pakistan has lived to see such a day where people are told who they are.

I am hopeful this law will change sometime in the future and Qadiyani's will be recognized as Muslims. Qadiyani's have done great things for Pakistan.

After learning of a particular hospital in Rabwah, which is probably one of the best hospitals in Asia and gives free treatment to the poor - of whatever religion - my respect for Qadiyani Muslim brothers increased massively!
 
What will you do if Canada enact a law about ''roughing up Muslims because they wear a hijab''?

I wonder if you would still support it or criticise it?

Another one of the idiots living in the free West supporting extremist garbage back home.

Canada never will, Alhamdulliah. Did you understand my comment at all or are you another jazbati Pakistani who has ruined your country because of your intolerance and simple-mindedness? I am hoping for the best case scenario in this blasphemy case which would be that the guilty party is released after a little dhulayi.
 
Religion has no role in politics so ulema of any sect should not do anything. Or parliament should be making religious fatway.

Pakistan should be a secular country.

If it does not become a secular country then it will simply disintegrate.
There will be a time, when west would decide and then there are several reasons to break this country.


I agree with you that State & Religion have no business with each other and need to be seperated. But


Look at ground realities.


Currently there is a strong marriage of religion and state in Pakistan and the Majority is happy with it. Heck on online polls they the Majority vouch for Sharia & Sword to be in place.


So Yes Pakistan shluld be a Liberal, Secular & Progressive State No doubt about it. But Live in present.



Currently the Issue is Blasphemy Law and How to get rid off it.


That's what my post was centred at.



Things won't improve via online Posts.


Those who are in Millions need to take Practical Steps. When the Law was being enacted even than It was a time to Stop it. But its never too Late. For this you need Unity and Leadership.
 
Canada never will, Alhamdulliah. Did you understand my comment at all or are you another jazbati Pakistani who has ruined your country because of your intolerance and simple-mindedness? I am hoping for the best case scenario in this blasphemy case which would be that the guilty party is released after a little dhulayi.

You support jailing people and beating them up because of their personal views and I am the narrow minded person?

:))
 
Canada never will, Alhamdulliah. Did you understand my comment at all or are you another jazbati Pakistani who has ruined your country because of your intolerance and simple-mindedness? I am hoping for the best case scenario in this blasphemy case which would be that the guilty party is released after a little dhulayi.
[MENTION=21699]Pakpak[/MENTION] the Parhay Likhay jaahils who like to call themselves Pakistani's have met new heights and gladly, they never disappoint me.
 
Canada never will, Alhamdulliah. Did you understand my comment at all or are you another jazbati Pakistani who has ruined your country because of your intolerance and simple-mindedness? I am hoping for the best case scenario in this blasphemy case which would be that the guilty party is released after a little dhulayi.


This Dhulayi cannot be substantiated from Holy Quran & Law of Pakistan states Death Penalty so either way your wishes do not fit anywhere.


And Keep it in mind that what is deemed blasphemy for you is facts, reality, truth for the other and not blasphemy. So where would you draw the line ?
 
[MENTION=21699]Pakpak[/MENTION] the Parhay Likhay jaahils who like to call themselves Pakistani's have met new heights and gladly, they never disappoint me.

He's calling me intolerant, while supporting beating people up because they post something on Facebook. Then he is preaching all pyar and mohabat when Americans were being racist to Muslims in US. You couldn't make this up.

:))
 
You support jailing people and beating them up because of their personal views and I am the narrow minded person?

:))

Not only are you narrow-minded, you are also simple-minded. The best case scenario for that person is to be beaten up and released. Would you prefer he be hanged?
 
Not only are you narrow-minded, you are also simple-minded. The best case scenario for that person is to be beaten up and released. Would you prefer he be hanged?

I prefer him to be released without being beaten up.

You prefer him to be released after being beaten up.

Which out of these two is the ''best case scenario''?

Who is the narrow minded person here, me or you? Looks like you don't know the definition of the word ''narrow minded'', so perhaps out of the two of us the simpleton is you. Not me. :))
 
He's calling me intolerant, while supporting beating people up because they post something on Facebook. Then he is preaching all pyar and mohabat when Americans were being racist to Muslims in US. You couldn't make this up.

:))

Hypocrisy, man. Hypocrisy. I have come across so many such people now that I just find comedy in their views. Using big words to sound philosophical. Nothing but pretentious guys who just want to talk about politics and current affairs without having a peanut's worth of knowledge.
 
This Dhulayi cannot be substantiated from Holy Quran & Law of Pakistan states Death Penalty so either way your wishes do not fit anywhere.


And Keep it in mind that what is deemed blasphemy for you is facts, reality, truth for the other and not blasphemy. So where would you draw the line ?

Pakistan is a nearly failed state that is neither here nor there. A mixture of secularism and Islamic laws has not worked. If you are wishing for that person to be released without any punishment, then you're being naive. I just hope he doesn't get executed and has the sense to repent in order to save his life.
 
I prefer him to be released without being beaten up.

You prefer him to be released after being beaten up.

Which out of these two is the ''best case scenario''?

Who is the narrow minded person here, me or you? Looks like you don't know the definition of the word ''narrow minded'', so perhaps out of the two of us the simpleton is you. Not me. :))

Your best case scenario is not realistic. The guy will not simply be released after being arrested for breaking the blasphemy law. However, you've made good progress on understanding a simply concept. Keep going and you'll get there within the next few posts.
 
Canada never will, Alhamdulliah. Did you understand my comment at all or are you another jazbati Pakistani who has ruined your country because of your intolerance and simple-mindedness? I am hoping for the best case scenario in this blasphemy case which would be that the guilty party is released after a little dhulayi.

Liberal and NDP would not.
But conservative certainly can.

I will next vote for them and pass your suggestions that just as a precaution do a little dhulaiye to every muslim.
 
Liberal and NDP would not.
But conservative certainly can.

I will next vote for them and pass your suggestions that just as a precaution do a little dhulaiye to every muslim.

He could have easily said ''the person is stupid making such comments in a sensitive nation like Pakistan'' and left it at that. His beating up comment simply shows his absolute intolerance and bigotry. And combined with his posts in the billboard thread, it shows him up as a massive hypocrite.
 
The Blaspheme cases in Pakistan should be investigated properly , and if someone is found guilty of insulting the prophet , then he should be given adequate punishment .

It is a matter of shame that in a so called Muslim country , someone insults prophet and gets away with that.
 
what exactly did he post ?

It should not matter but no details about the contents.
nature is described in article, though.
However it does not make sense as he is also accused of writing derogatory remarks against prophet, considering he is a shia.
 
The Blaspheme cases in Pakistan should be investigated properly , and if someone is found guilty of insulting the prophet , then he should be given adequate punishment .

It is a matter of shame that in a so called Muslim country , someone insults prophet and gets away with that.

Why does this matter? If someone insults the 'prophet' (especially considering it is his POV) then shouldn't it be between him and 'God'? The state should have no say in this. The extremist mindset continues.
 
Oh. I had no idea you were Qadiyani bro.
As you may have earlier noticed, I am very vocal about my disgust with regards to this law. It is very sad that Pakistan has lived to see such a day where people are told who they are.

I am hopeful this law will change sometime in the future and Qadiyani's will be recognized as Muslims. Qadiyani's have done great things for Pakistan.

After learning of a particular hospital in Rabwah, which is probably one of the best hospitals in Asia and gives free treatment to the poor - of whatever religion - my respect for Qadiyani Muslim brothers increased massively!


To serve Humanity is a Compulsion on Us and we will keep striving for it because for that we will be answerable to Allah.


That decision was destiny aswell and that will never change. Religion is a personal matter between Allah and mankind so we are worried about Allah's register and what He counts Us. Laws are manmade and people are entitled to their opinion and beliefs about Us.


I am all for security, happiness and success in life but I advice you not to call Ahmadi Muslims as " Muslim " amingst your friends or on Twitter, Facebook etc. Because you would not be safe from Radicalists, fundamentalists, extremists plus the Lae of Pakistan does not permit you to call Us Muslims so keep it to your family and your heart only.

I & we do not want to lose out a liberal, secular, progressive mind like you. (Very few voices) plus we don't want you to be harmed because of your support for Us.


We are putting our hand in Humanity First multiple Projects in Interior Punjab & Sindh so Pray for it's success and safety of our workforce.


Our State has to Act as our Father. State cannot differenciate amongst it's citizens based on their skin colour, language, race or religion. I feel embarassed aswell as Sorry for Shia Muslims persecution in Pakistan especially the Hazaara Community. Terrible and Height of Cruelty & Barbarism. State can Crush those groups which are behind it if we don't see them as Assets and rather see them as Animals & terrorists of Worst kind.


I hope this incidence stirs the Pot upside down and this Inhumane Unislamic Law is Crushed only than 10-20 years later Mob justice will end too. But for this Federal Sharia Court has to be knocked.


I have very dear couple of friends on this forum and a bright man, dreamer Lecturer Junaid Hafeez who is just like them is behind the Bars for Blasphemy charges. Just feel for his mother, father & siblings. Rotting in Jail when He was building our future.
 
The Blaspheme cases in Pakistan should be investigated properly , and if someone is found guilty of insulting the prophet , then he should be given adequate punishment .

It is a matter of shame that in a so called Muslim country , someone insults prophet and gets away with that.

Pakistan was never supposed to be a Muslim country in the first place. It was a country for Muslims, not an Islamic country. I don't understand why people have this confusion.

However, I wish it were an actual Islamic country and not a country run by extremists who casually use Islam as a means of spreading their fundamentalism and terror.

And since it is practically impossible for the blasphemy law to investigated properly even with the modern technology that we have, it needs to be abolished.
 
Pakistan is a nearly failed state that is neither here nor there. A mixture of secularism and Islamic laws has not worked. If you are wishing for that person to be released without any punishment, then you're being naive. I just hope he doesn't get executed and has the sense to repent in order to save his life.


My wishes revolve around Mohammad Pbuh and his Companions practices of firgiveness and zero nil.worldly punishment.

If you would post narrations conflicting others than I will do their post mortem.


There is No Worldly Punishment Prescribed for Blasphemy in Islam
 
It should not matter but no details about the contents.
nature is described in article, though.
However it does not make sense as he is also accused of writing derogatory remarks against prophet, considering he is a shia.

If someone is making a derogatory remarks about prophet he is not a Muslim . I also wanted to know what exactly he wrote , he should be asked to explain about that , before being punished. May be his mental level was not right. That is why complete investigation has to be done.
 
The Blaspheme cases in Pakistan should be investigated properly , and if someone is found guilty of insulting the prophet , then he should be given adequate punishment .

It is a matter of shame that in a so called Muslim country , someone insults prophet and gets away with that.


Calm down and fasten your Horse.


Hazrat Mohammed Pbuh, Khatam an Nabee-een, Rehmat ul Lil Aalameen, Mohsin e Insaaniat, Sarwarr e Dou Jahaan forgave each and every blasphemer in the Islamic State of Medina under Sharia Law being enforced.


You are most welcome to Post conflicting, contradicting narrations but I am well equipped to counter them.
 
The Blaspheme cases in Pakistan should be investigated properly , and if someone is found guilty of insulting the prophet , then he should be given adequate punishment .

It is a matter of shame that in a so called Muslim country , someone insults prophet and gets away with that.

Blasphemy law also states that insulting companions is also a punishable crime.
What should shia muslims do in a sunni majority pakistan? Takiya?

And what about the everyday insults are showered at the Prophet of Ahmadis in Pakistan, do not the Ahmadis feel hurt?

Point is that blasphemy laws got no place in the civilized world. These laws need to go.
 
Why does this matter? If someone insults the 'prophet' (especially considering it is his POV) then shouldn't it be between him and 'God'? The state should have no say in this. The extremist mindset continues.

You need to know that status of any prophet is not like ordinary person in Islamic world. Its a grave offence to insult prophets , and punishment is going to be exemplary.

Moreover , what was his reason to make such remarks , in a community where he knows that would create chaos ?
 
To serve Humanity is a Compulsion on Us and we will keep striving for it because for that we will be answerable to Allah.


That decision was destiny aswell and that will never change. Religion is a personal matter between Allah and mankind so we are worried about Allah's register and what He counts Us. Laws are manmade and people are entitled to their opinion and beliefs about Us.


I am all for security, happiness and success in life but I advice you not to call Ahmadi Muslims as " Muslim " amingst your friends or on Twitter, Facebook etc. Because you would not be safe from Radicalists, fundamentalists, extremists plus the Lae of Pakistan does not permit you to call Us Muslims so keep it to your family and your heart only.

I & we do not want to lose out a liberal, secular, progressive mind like you. (Very few voices) plus we don't want you to be harmed because of your support for Us.


We are putting our hand in Humanity First multiple Projects in Interior Punjab & Sindh so Pray for it's success and safety of our workforce.


Our State has to Act as our Father. State cannot differenciate amongst it's citizens based on their skin colour, language, race or religion. I feel embarassed aswell as Sorry for Shia Muslims persecution in Pakistan especially the Hazaara Community. Terrible and Height of Cruelty & Barbarism. State can Crush those groups which are behind it if we don't see them as Assets and rather see them as Animals & terrorists of Worst kind.


I hope this incidence stirs the Pot upside down and this Inhumane Unislamic Law is Crushed only than 10-20 years later Mob justice will end too. But for this Federal Sharia Court has to be knocked.


I have very dear couple of friends on this forum and a bright man, dreamer Lecturer Junaid Hafeez who is just like them is behind the Bars for Blasphemy charges. Just feel for his mother, father & siblings. Rotting in Jail when He was building our future.

You're right. The world is a very vile and scary place to live in and this reminds of a quote from one of my favourite films, "You thought we could be decent men in an indecent time! But you were wrong. The world is cruel.".

Being unorthodox in an indecent time only leads you to persecution. But you have to stand up for what you believe in because as the Late Mahatma Gandhi said, "Be the change you want to see in the world..".
 
My wishes revolve around Mohammad Pbuh and his Companions practices of firgiveness and zero nil.worldly punishment.

If you would post narrations conflicting others than I will do their post mortem.


There is No Worldly Punishment Prescribed for Blasphemy in Islam

True, unfortunately Pakistan is not an ideal Islamic state. That is why such a law exists and is poorly implemented in Pakistan and people need to be careful with what they say, and now, post on social-media.
 
Calm down and fasten your Horse.


Hazrat Mohammed Pbuh, Khatam an Nabee-een, Rehmat ul Lil Aalameen, Mohsin e Insaaniat, Sarwarr e Dou Jahaan forgave each and every blasphemer in the Islamic State of Medina under Sharia Law being enforced.


You are most welcome to Post conflicting, contradicting narrations but I am well equipped to counter them.
I can post so many contradicting incidents and you most certainly is not equipped to counter them, except denying the incidents. But my suggestion is not to derail the thread by challenges.
 
Blasphemy law also states that insulting companions is also a punishable crime.
What should shia muslims do in a sunni majority pakistan? Takiya?

And what about the everyday insults are showered at the Prophet of Ahmadis in Pakistan, do not the Ahmadis feel hurt?

Point is that blasphemy laws got no place in the civilized world. These laws need to go.

Brother I am not a spokesperson for Pakistan . I am talking about Islam , not what Pakistan does. Pakistan is not an Islamic state. It does several things that are against Islam.

Insulting companions does not make anyone disbeliever , there is a huge difference between companions and prophet.

I am not in favour of insulting Mirza Ghulam Ahmed , you talk with knowledge and prove them wrong , no point is abusing or insulting. You do not have to resort to abuse to prove yourself.
 
You need to know that status of any prophet is not like ordinary person in Islamic world. Its a grave offence to insult prophets , and punishment is going to be exemplary.

Moreover , what was his reason to make such remarks , in a community where he knows that would create chaos ?

Yes there's a lot of things in the Islamic world that are given significance for no reason. This being one of them. Irrelevant matters that take the country more into barbarity rather than civility. I do find it funny that this is offensive enough to have exemplary punishment whilst other grave matters in the country are turned a blind eye.

And his prerogative is irrelevant. He does not deserve capital punishment for sharing his thought on Social Media for crying out loud. Only radicals have an issue with these things. Grow a set.
 
True, unfortunately Pakistan is not an ideal Islamic state. That is why such a law exists and is poorly implemented in Pakistan and people need to be careful with what they say, and now, post on social-media.

Hopefully it never will be. Geez. What an idea to inspire to!
 
Blasphemy law also states that insulting companions is also a punishable crime.
What should shia muslims do in a sunni majority pakistan? Takiya?

And what about the everyday insults are showered at the Prophet of Ahmadis in Pakistan, do not the Ahmadis feel hurt?

Point is that blasphemy laws got no place in the civilized world. These laws need to go.

Regrettably, that is the only option they have. In Balochistan and parts of KPK, people are butchered simply on the basis of their names. Shia's are the most targeted community throughout Pakistan and even in other countries like Iraq and Syria - but that's not the point.

Despite the Government not providing any sort of assistance or security to its Shia citizens, you can still excuse them as they are not directly involved on paper. However, a Death sentence for a Shia Muslim only gives more confidence and encouragement to the extremists, religious fundamentalists and terrorists.

When you train a dog, you only give him a treat when he does something right. Because then the dog learns that he will only get his way if he does what the authority (the owner) wants.

In a time where mob killings and taking the law into your own hand is the norm, giving this death sentence is playing into the hands of the extremists. Mind you, a whole new crusade and holocaust of Shia Muslims has just begun. Daunting times approach...
 
If someone is making a derogatory remarks about prophet he is not a Muslim . I also wanted to know what exactly he wrote , he should be asked to explain about that , before being punished. May be his mental level was not right. That is why complete investigation has to be done.


First of all you are neither God or appointed by God to Judge Muslimness or who is Muslim and who is not ? So let this remain with Allah.


When a Mother Gets really angry with his children She says She is not their Mother. This doesn't mean that they are not her biological children.


First of all it is not established whether He posfed derogatory stuff or not. Even if He did He did a hugeeeee Sin under whatever emotions or mood influence. But doing a Sin does not make anyone not being part of that religion. Allah will reward him for his Sins.



Holy Quran is not a small few page book. It is a book of 30 chapters. A divine Code of life till Qayamatt.



Holy Quran prescribes worldly punishments for these major Offences :


1. Murder
2. Stealing
3. Adultery
4. Traitors/Terrorists



On Maududi sahib's wish Allah could have added two more verses for Blasphemy, Apostasy to mention punishments for these but why Allah did not ? Why he kept it to himself only without prescribing any worldly punishment ?


 
Brother I am not a spokesperson for Pakistan . I am talking about Islam , not what Pakistan does. Pakistan is not an Islamic state. It does several things that are against Islam.

Insulting companions does not make anyone disbeliever , there is a huge difference between companions and prophet.

I am not in favour of insulting Mirza Ghulam Ahmed , you talk with knowledge and prove them wrong , no point is abusing or insulting. You do not have to resort to abuse to prove yourself.

Blasphemy law of Pakistan shields prophet, ahle bait and companions and this was agreed by shia sunni scholars.

Good that you are personally not in favor of insulting Ahmadis prophet, but ground reality is that it's very common in Pakistan.

Do not you think it would be good idea to get rid of this law?
 
Regrettably, that is the only option they have. In Balochistan and parts of KPK, people are butchered simply on the basis of their names. Shia's are the most targeted community throughout Pakistan and even in other countries like Iraq and Syria - but that's not the point.

Despite the Government not providing any sort of assistance or security to its Shia citizens, you can still excuse them as they are not directly involved on paper. However, a Death sentence for a Shia Muslim only gives more confidence and encouragement to the extremists, religious fundamentalists and terrorists.

When you train a dog, you only give him a treat when he does something right. Because then the dog learns that he will only get his way if he does what the authority (the owner) wants.

In a time where mob killings and taking the law into your own hand is the norm, giving this death sentence is playing into the hands of the extremists. Mind you, a whole new crusade and holocaust of Shia Muslims has just begun. Daunting times approach...

Pakistan state do not need blashmy laws to marginalize minorities.
Politicians, police, judiciary, etc. are in bed regarding the continuous genocide of shias in Pakistan.
 
I can post so many contradicting incidents and you most certainly is not equipped to counter them, except denying the incidents. But my suggestion is not to derail the thread by challenges.


I am 100 % ready and equipped. I suggest you do it on your own risk with thread getting closed.


I knkw each and every Hadith you are going to throw at me. Be it be Kaab Bin Ashraf, Maqees, Ibn e Hatal, Ibn e Hababa or others


If those who renounce Islam, commit blasphemy join enemies fight you physically are given death sentence than they are given punishment for being a traitor who jumped the ship and became anti State. Not for blasphemy.


Similarly if Mass murderers also commit blasphemy and are given death penalty for them commiting murders than it does not mean that they were punished for blasphemy.


And there are plenty of narrations of He Pbuh forgiving his Blasphemers. He Pbuh was consistent in what He did. He had same barrometer to judge all. This goes against his nature of forgiving many for same offence while killing others.
 
I am 100 % ready and equipped. I suggest you do it on your own risk with thread getting closed.


I knkw each and every Hadith you are going to throw at me. Be it be Kaab Bin Ashraf, Maqees, Ibn e Hatal, Ibn e Hababa or others


If those who renounce Islam, commit blasphemy join enemies fight you physically are given death sentence than they are given punishment for being a traitor who jumped the ship and became anti State. Not for blasphemy.


Similarly if Mass murderers also commit blasphemy and are given death penalty for them commiting murders than it does not mean that they were punished for blasphemy.


And there are plenty of narrations of He Pbuh forgiving his Blasphemers. He Pbuh was consistent in what He did. He had same barrometer to judge all. This goes against his nature of forgiving many for same offence while killing others.

When pakistani police arrest you they put several sections in fir, hoping for one might stick in the court
These lame worthless excuses, blaming the victims, may give comfort to muslim apologists, but from neutral perspective these will bring more shame to islam in this era,
 
Very Sad. Horrible either ways.


No matter how much you get hurt by Blasphemy of Prophet Pbuh, companions RA, Caliphs RA or Wives RA still


Going by Islam there is No worldly punishment for Blasphemy. Allah has taken this in his own hand the subjects of Blasphemy and Apostasy.



There should be No punishment for Blasphemy. Unfortunately even if you do would have things like fine or some jail term than current atnosphere is so voilent that Mob justice won't allow him to Breath.


Can't say whether this person committed blasphemy or not but alot of cases are made basis on enmity, fake accounts etc.


On many Forums I have myself witnessed such blasphemous material being published in sectarian debates. I did mention this to Hadi bhai today. Now we will see more fights :'(


This would ignite alot of flame. May Allah keep Us All Safe.

We're done with religious debates for now.

I won't reply to THOSE threads for a month atleast.

Sorry if I hurt anyone, I seek repentance from you guys and Allah if I did anything wrong.
 
We're done with religious debates for now.

I won't reply to THOSE threads for a month atleast.

Sorry if I hurt anyone, I seek repentance from you guys and Allah if I did anything wrong.


Hadi Bhaee. Don't get Jazbaati. You are a Young Brother of mine. Love You.


Read All my posts im this thread to see my POV and I hope you won't have any issue.


I Appologise if I hurt your religious sentiments. You forgive me mujhay maaf ker dou :hug
 
When pakistani police arrest you they put several sections in fir, hoping for one might stick in the court
These lame worthless excuses, blaming the victims, may give comfort to muslim apologists, but from neutral perspective these will bring more shame to islam in this era,


Don't mix up things.

I don't have issue if you count mass murderers as Innocent Angels.

Let's agree to disagree respectfully.
 
Pakistan isn't a safe place to live anymore. [MENTION=139075]Hadi Rizvi[/MENTION] check this out

Broooooo!!!

I don't have words.

Yeh din dekhna baaqi tha.

Death Sentence on an FB post :facepalm:

It hurts soooo much cuz I'm such a hopeless patriot and optimist.
 
Hadi Bhaee. Don't get Jazbaati. You are a Young Brother of mine. Love You.


Read All my posts im this thread to see my POV and I hope you won't have any issue.


I Appologise if I hurt your religious sentiments. You forgive me mujhay maaf ker dou :hug

Love ya too bro.

Yaar bass kya karoon. I literally don't have words. Somedays I meet the worst of ppl and other days its the complete opposite.

Pakistan was not based on this.

WTH is wrong with us.

Mohammad Ali Jinnah humain maaf kardo
 
Love ya too bro.

Yaar bass kya karoon. I literally don't have words. Somedays I meet the worst of ppl and other days its the complete opposite.

Pakistan was not based on this.

WTH is wrong with us.

Mohammad Ali Jinnah humain maaf kardo


Very very unfortunate indeed. Yes it wasn't meant to be such a State.
 
We're done with religious debates for now.

I won't reply to THOSE threads for a month atleast.

Sorry if I hurt anyone, I seek repentance from you guys and Allah if I did anything wrong.

Exactly. Enough of you doing this. I considered myself as someone who was very vocal on these topics but you are on another extreme. I have lost all hope. It is in your best interest to keep you opinions to yourself. Pakistan has become an extremely intolerant country and with the government supporting such kind of extremism, we would be only be making problems for ourselves. Al-Bakistani laws..
 
I cannot explain my level of disgust. First of all, giving out death penalties so casually is the zenith of immorality. I used to have a lot of passion to serve the great country that was Pakistan but with all this extremism going on all the time, my love for the people of the nation seems to be fading. Each and every day we here of such things and I feel as though we live in medieval ages.

The Blasphemy Law is as prejudiced as a law can possibly be. First of all, there is no need for proof and the accused does not even have the right to justify himself or prove otherwise. Secondly, how casually the law is being used and how anyone can blame another of blasphemy so easily speaks of the dangerous times ahead that await us. Pakistan has become the perfect manifestation of extremism dwelling in every part of the community and the society. It paves the way for a fictional zombie apocalypse breathing reality and quite frankly, I have realized that Pakistan is the worst place to live is a minority. And lastly, the law is underhand - even if the accused is guilty of having committed blasphemy (which is mostly not the case), a death sentence is too harsh.

Not too long ago there was a thread on PP about whether you supported the capital punishment. And I said yes. Because I do, but only after trial, proper conduction of investigation, proof and evidence. And that too only for a particular set of crimes, like mass slaughter, terror or rape.

These sort of activities only give more confidence to and encourage terrorism. Difficult times await the citizens who will so adamantly support this ruling. It's about time we start calling ourselves Al-Bakistani's.

Doom and gloom but truth nonetheless.

It's like the worst case scenario for a patriot and optimist like me. Hurts so much that our immediate future in this regard looks bleak.
 
Doom and gloom but truth nonetheless.

It's like the worst case scenario for a patriot and optimist like me. Hurts so much that our immediate future in this regard looks bleak.

Exactly. As I have mentioned in my post, I consider myself to have an undying love for Pakistan but all that said, I am also a realist. While I do intend on living in Pakistan because this is where my homeland is, i'm extremely disappointed by what's become of the country. It's hurtful.
 
Exactly. Enough of you doing this. I considered myself as someone who was very vocal on these topics but you are on another extreme. I have lost all hope. It is in your best interest to keep you opinions to yourself. Pakistan has become an extremely intolerant country and with the government supporting such kind of extremism, we would be only be making problems for ourselves. Al-Bakistani laws..

It makes my blood boil whenever I see Rana Sanaullah mentioned as Law Minister of Punjab.

I mean just imagine the irony of this scenario.

The guy has connections with terrorist outfits yet he holds that very position :facepalm:

I have no idea where we're headed :(
 
Don't mix up things.

I don't have issue if you count mass murderers as Innocent Angels.

Let's agree to disagree respectfully.

Okay then I also trust those guys who blame ahmadis for 1974 riots.
And I also trust those people who say that shias are responsible for shia genocide in pakistan
And I also trust the wolf that evil lamb was making the water dirty.
 
Okay then I also trust those guys who blame ahmadis for 1974 riots.
And I also trust those people who say that shias are responsible for shia genocide in pakistan
And I also trust the wolf that evil lamb was making the water dirty.

You have the right to trust whatever seems Truthworthy.


2 centuries later there might emerge Barelwis who will say that Mumtaz Qadri was divinely and He was murdered for his claims narrations will be built up too. So even than they will be people who would trust this while others will have other views.


In Religion the biggest issue with time is adulterations and oroginal message gets distorted this is why Allah has a Divine mechanism in place for cleansing and revival of true faith in its original form which has its effects on actions too.



Since Quran had prescribed some punishments so they had to be given to those who did those Crimes. Now Islamophobes will make each one of them as Angels and Legends of Jews and Christians to prove that Mohammad Pbuh was Barbarian. Proving him to be impostor suits them.

Unfortunately we had the Kharjeez and Gusshbetheeay in our ranks who polluted our History with such narrations. This is why Counter Narrations of those times help to change perceptions and solve misunderstandings.


Read Qasim Rashid, Haris Zafar, Kashif Chaudhry, Umar Nasser, Tahir Nasser articles. Alot of former Anti Islam people have accepted that there understanding about Islam has changed after that. May accepted Islam too.
 
to see those living in the West supporting beating up alleged blasphemers shows how far the cancer has spread. The same hypocrites who cry about islamophobia and freedom of religion at every level and discrimination against Muslims.

These Sharia warriors should be deported to any Islamic country of their choice. Maybe the Dawla to see what Sharia is like while they reap the benefits of living in a secular liberal country .
 
Pakistan was never supposed to be a Muslim country in the first place. It was a country for Muslims, not an Islamic country. I don't understand why people have this confusion.

However, I wish it were an actual Islamic country and not a country run by extremists who casually use Islam as a means of spreading their fundamentalism and terror.

And since it is practically impossible for the blasphemy law to investigated properly even with the modern technology that we have, it needs to be abolished.

Why is it difficult to establish ?
 
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