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Did Mohammad Amir deserve to be dropped?

Did Mohammad Amir deserve to be dropped?

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He bowled decently against India, but I think this is the right call due to his lack of wickets. 'Bowling well' can only be an excuse for so long, the strike-bowler needs to be delivering wickets.
 
Yes he was pefmroming like a freeloader and taking his place in the team for granted, needed to give him a reminder that other players will get a chance if he won't perform.
 
I dont usually use the full site of PP on mobile but i used it this time just to vote "Yes" in this poll :sanga
 
You guys deserve the likes of Shinwari.

Aamir should be rested yes, he's our best, premier bowler.


Those against him well deserve a poor man's Umar Gul/Junaid, aka Usman Shinwari.

Poor bowler.
 
Shinwari wasn't very impressive in the last game also. In UAE conditions he looks a pretty ordinary.
 
You have to have the same scale to judge all the players. He's a better ODI bowler than Shinwari and Hassan (of late). So, no he doesn't deserve to be dropped.
 
BlackShadow said:
Better ODI bowler than Shinwari any day.
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Ozeirk said:
Shinwari wasn't very impressive in the last game also. In UAE conditions he looks a pretty ordinary.
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Snowflake said:
You have to have the same scale to judge all the players. He's a better ODI bowler than Shinwari and Hassan (of late). So, no he doesn't deserve to be dropped.
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This.

Look, Pakistani fans have their own favorites and biases. It's a thankless bunch of people.

We have a guy like Amir who is being hated on by a segment.

And that same segment is mute, ignorant about the pathetic bowlers we have like Usman Shinwari.

Aamir, our best bowler deserves to be dropped. But not bowlers who are levels below. Haha.
 
wasimjunior said:
Shinwari averages 13 in since jan17.

Men lie, women lie, numbers don’t
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How many matches against Hong Kong, Zimbabwe, Afganistan and Sri Lanka?

I caught the highlights of him against India, and Amir is way better even if he is not getting wickets.
 
Hawkeye said:
This.

Look, Pakistani fans have their own favorites and biases. It's a thankless bunch of people.

We have a guy like Amir who is being hated on by a segment.

And that same segment is mute, ignorant about the pathetic bowlers we have like Usman Shinwari.

Aamir, our best bowler deserves to be dropped. But not bowlers who are levels below. Haha.
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Not even the dropping of Amir it is a horrible XI altogether. Playing only three bowlers and three part-timers, too many accumulators as batsmen.

I'm not watching this garbage team today. I hope Afghanistan win honestly. Pakistan better be ready for India next time cause they look a lot better than us in bowling which is a disgrace.
 
There is no need to discuss his past or character. Stick to cricket alone.
 
Hawkeye said:
You guys deserve the likes of Shinwari.

Aamir should be rested yes, he's our best, premier bowler.


Those against him well deserve a poor man's Umar Gul/Junaid, aka Usman Shinwari.

Poor bowler.
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Shinwari is a thousand times better than him.
 
I think it's high time isn't it? The guy has been a passenger seems to be running through the motions.
 
Nothing in it for the fast bowlers this Asia cup so won't blame him for that.

But he does need to get his swing back. At the moment Pak is at an amateurish level with the new ball.
 
A kick in the backside will do him good in the long run, no matter how good you are can't take a spot in the XI for granted.
 
With an insipid performance against India, he should have seen it coming and this should be a wakeup call . Unfortunately, his performance since the CT final has been been below par and if dropping him motivates him to perform, I am all for it.

We should be able to beat Afg so this would also be a good time to rest him out against the next match with India. Hoping to see a more exciting game than the one-sided crap in the opener
 
Abdul said:
Shinwari is a thousand times better than him.
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You're biased against Amir, so the likes of Ashok Dinda, Vinay and Shinwari will look good to you.

They're below average quality.
 
Hawkeye said:
You're biased against Amir, so the likes of Ashok Dinda, Vinay and Shinwari will look good to you.

They're below average quality.
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You're Amir's fan boy, so he will look like a God to you.

He is mediocre.
 
Yes he deserved to be dropped. He has been given plenty of chances and hasn't performed.
 
For today's match I think he should've played in place for Usman Shinwari. In my opinion he would've been handy today.
 
Aamir should have been dropped to let some people know that even if he doesnt get wickets.. how much runs he saves by not giving free boundaries. Every time his eco is under 3 in his first spell. Anyways he shouldnt play till he really wants to play.
 
I'm saying again after reading all the comments as I said before we missed a trick by not selecting him today. As Usman was not reliable we saw that in Indian Game as well.

I agree Amir is below par but sometimes we've to go according to the situation as well.
 
It was the right call before the match. But now after Afghan batting you do wonder whether Amir would have performed better than Usman. It is hind-sight 20/20.
 
I wouldn't play him on sunday either bowling for sunday should be Faheem, Nawaz, Shadab, Shaheen.(Harris,malik,fakhar for 10 overs). Shinwari needs to be benched too
 
Busy with drinks duty now. Needs an extended stint.

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Hopefully he’s dropped from the Test squad too. Won’t be any use in UAE testsz
 
The ones that were saying amir should’ve been dropped are now saying faheem, usman and hasan ali should be dropped!
 
Sirris said:
It was the right call before the match. But now after Afghan batting you do wonder whether Amir would have performed better than Usman. It is hind-sight 20/20.
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No honestly speaking I had same thoughts when I saw Usman bowling against India.
 
ritzy_123 said:
No honestly speaking I had same thoughts when I saw Usman bowling against India.
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Ok I believe you. But for me it was the right call. The match against India was finally a big enough stage for Amir to be motivated and get some wickets.
 
Abdullah719 said:
Busy with drinks duty now. Needs an extended stint.

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This video just made my day. :))
 
Amir needs to come back in the next game. Shinwari for all his bouncers and pace was largely ineffective today and he simply cannot bowl at the death -- doesn't have a single good yorker in his arsenal. Shinwari himself has been wicketless in both games and Amir despite his lack of form possesses more of a threat to the Indian batsmen than Shinwari
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Amir needs to come back in the next game. Shinwari for all his bouncers and pace was largely ineffective today and he simply cannot bowl at the death -- doesn't have a single good yorker in his arsenal. Shinwari himself has been wicketless in both games and Amir despite his lack of form possesses more of a threat to the Indian batsmen than Shinwari
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Yeah we definitely need Amir in place of Shinwari and Shadab for Haris/Asif (it will be a tough decision)
 
Lol, others deserve the same leeway that Amir got for the last 2 years, they do not deserve to be dropped on the basis of one bad game or even series.
 
ritzy_123 said:
No honestly speaking I had same thoughts when I saw Usman bowling against India.
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Usman bowled quite against India I thought, was unlucky, and his recent form is far superior to Amir's, against any opposition. He went into this tournament averaging 11 or something, compared to 71 for Amir in the same period.
 
Just to shake him up, should be brought back against India at the cost of shinwani.
 
I think it was a good idea to drop him. He needs a rest more than anything and if so maybe retire from T20I cricket.
 
ritzy_123 said:
Yeah we definitely need Amir in place of Shinwari and Shadab for Haris/Asif (it will be a tough decision)
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I would drop Haris. Asif hasn't gotten going in this tournament but he is one of the few players in the side who possesses genuine power-hitting prowess. Just needs to use his brain a bit more and bat according to the situation.
 
Huge fan of Amir here, but yes he needs a kick up the backside. A little time away from the action might put things in perspective.
 
Yes he did. Has not been taking wickets recently. Can't be guaranteed a place in the side.
 
Based on what we saw of Shaheen today - absolutely. Kid has clearly been impressing in the nets.
 
Love watching Amir play. But he needs to some time off so he can focus on coming back better than ever
 
Hawkeye said:
This.

Look, Pakistani fans have their own favorites and biases. It's a thankless bunch of people.

We have a guy like Amir who is being hated on by a segment.

And that same segment is mute, ignorant about the pathetic bowlers we have like Usman Shinwari.

Aamir, our best bowler deserves to be dropped. But not bowlers who are levels below. Haha.
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Amir might be more skill full then the competition but if he isn't performing why should we just keep selecting him? am not denying there are many factors at play but this isn't a decision which one can criticise based on his out put. Others who are least skill full but more hungry / fresh then they should be given a chance to deliver consistent performances for Pakistan, now their skill levels may be below Amir but that doesn't mean they can not produce better results then an out of form Amir who desperately needs a break and someone to light a fire up his behind.
 
Amir doesn't DESERVE to be dropped, he needs to be dropped, because he needs rest and some self evaluation. I find he keeps dropping away in his action, decelerating at the crease, his runup is not as smooth as it used to be and he has become a little predicatable (against India he tried the same 1-2 trick of inswing, inswing and outswing). Batsmen have also gotten used to his attack and a little time away would help him
 
I hope he takes it in the right spirit. He’s not on top of his game at the moment. Having said that, I would have preferred to see Junaid Khan in action.
 
I think, he deserved to be dropped, but he should be 1st name among pacers on Sunday.

Reason : his alternates Hasan & Shinwari.
 
Hawkeye said:
You guys deserve the likes of Shinwari.

Aamir should be rested yes, he's our best, premier bowler.


Those against him well deserve a poor man's Umar Gul/Junaid, aka Usman Shinwari.

Poor bowler.
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Rest from what? The 3 month rest he already had?....
 
He shouldn't be dropped for the long term, but I think he definitely needs to be benched to knock some sense into him. Amir takes his place in the team for granted, he needs to realize that he is not an automatic pick.
 
shaz619 said:
Amir might be more skill full then the competition but if he isn't performing why should we just keep selecting him? am not denying there are many factors at play but this isn't a decision which one can criticise based on his out put. Others who are least skill full but more hungry / fresh then they should be given a chance to deliver consistent performances for Pakistan, now their skill levels may be below Amir but that doesn't mean they can not produce better results then an out of form Amir who desperately needs a break and someone to light a fire up his behind.
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It's fair and okay if he's dropped for a game or two to get him to realize what's going wrong. I agree. He's certainly not at his best. Need to improve.

But we should also acknowledge he's the best we have and alternatives are not better. So he eventually will be needed especially in big matches.

MMHS said:
I think, he deserved to be dropped, but he should be 1st name among pacers on Sunday.

Reason : his alternates Hasan & Shinwari.
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This! Agreed.
 
Should be back vs india inplace of shinwari.. Such a useless bowler
 
Deewana said:
If amir was playinh we wpuld have been chasing about 240
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Yes, he deserved to be dropped.
But then slamming every other bowler like Usman, Amir and others is not logical. Conditions in UAE atm are not for fast bowlers. Unless, batsman themselves giving wickets away[just what happened against India game].
You can not expect anything from 140+ kph fast bowlers in these hostile conditions. Its unwarranted.

What really pakistan missed is, they did not carry spinners. Yasir was and will be sorely missed. Same goes for Imad as well (although both unfit). Teams are making spinners play a major role here by giving then 30-40 overs.

Malik is a decentish spinner, but you cant rely on him to take wickets. Haris Sohail is no longer a good spinning AR which he used to be. And I have to say this, Pak will miss Hafeez in this series.

No matter he is rubbish against good teams and outside subcontinent, but he is very good player against spin bowling.
 
iniqbal223 said:
Yes, he deserved to be dropped.
But then slamming every other bowler like Usman, Amir and others is not logical. Conditions in UAE atm are not for fast bowlers. Unless, batsman themselves giving wickets away[just what happened against India game].
You can not expect anything from 140+ kph fast bowlers in these hostile conditions. Its unwarranted.

What really pakistan missed is, they did not carry spinners. Yasir was and will be sorely missed. Same goes for Imad as well (although both unfit). Teams are making spinners play a major role here by giving then 30-40 overs.

Malik is a decentish spinner, but you cant rely on him to take wickets. Haris Sohail is no longer a good spinning AR which he used to be. And I have to say this, Pak will miss Hafeez in this series.

No matter he is rubbish against good teams and outside subcontinent, but he is very good player against spin bowling.
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Exactly that showed what our Selectors missed in desperation of going after just fitness levels. At least they could've selected Imad his score wasn't that bad.
 
hussain.r97 said:
He shouldn't be dropped for the long term, but I think he definitely needs to be benched to knock some sense into him. Amir takes his place in the team for granted, he needs to realize that he is not an automatic pick.
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Plus he needs to play Domestic cricket especially the longer format to judge his “bowling fitness” and ability if can take wickets at every phase of game
 
don't think he should play another game hope Junaid Khans plays tomorrow someone who can take early wickets
 
Hawkeye said:
It's fair and okay if he's dropped for a game or two to get him to realize what's going wrong. I agree. He's certainly not at his best. Need to improve.

But we should also acknowledge he's the best we have and alternatives are not better. So he eventually will be needed especially in big matches.



This! Agreed.
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With his out put as of late, if he is out a lot longer then that I can't see anyone refute that. He clearly needs to improve and a way back into the team should not be any different for Amir compared to other talents, you earn the right to put on your green shirt. Playing for Pak is an honour not a privilege. If you put all your eggs in one basket then you will never see an alternative which is better, however we have seen in our sport that natural ability is not everything and if inferior bowlers are willing to work hard and deliver consistent performances in comparison to someone out of form for various reasons then there's no reason why they should not be given a long rope.

Amir should obviously be kept around, he remains our best pacer we see that but moving forward the team needs to get the best out of him and keeping him out of the team may actually be more productive to achieve that regardless of how many games that is for, short or long period. Plus there's no reason why others shouldn't be given an oppourtunity during this time, Amir has been around long enough and shown such faith; others who show potential should also be given a similar level of faith, it's the way to move forward and develop a good pace battery, so if one is not showing any heart or courage then we can easily replace them instead of selecting them based on "Oh he's the best we have" hence an average close to 40 is justified, that's just a bit silly mate.
 
Although he is not taking wickets but he is still the best depth bowler against afghanistan we got exposed in end and our bowlers gave atleast 25 to 30 runs extraa
 
Amir mufta should be dropped if he fails today. Junaid has been warming the bench for a while now its better to give him chances instead of amir.
 
He has been a freerider for a long time. He is a joke of a bowler. Kick him out.
 
he only performs in big matches. Guess this micky mouse tournament is too small for the great swing bowler. Couldn't swing it an inch.
 
We need to send the message to team If you are not performing you Will not be selected. Drop him vs aus We should try others bowlers
 
Is the absence of Kohli the reason behind lack of motivation of Amir?

Two Best players of their respective sides and one of the thrilling individual contests on offer.

Could it be the reason that absence of Star Player Kohli has resulted in lack of motivation for Amir to give his 100% against India in these matches?

Amir is one of the players who brings his best game against best teams and best opponents . I mean even if he gives a top performance and wins the match , Indians will point towards absence of Kohli for India's defeat. There is not much incentive on offer for Ace players to performan against teams missing their most important player.
 
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