Did Mohammad Yousuf try to convert Australian players during the 2009/10 tour?

[GLORY OF '92]

According to this Dawn blog:

( http://www.dawn.com/news/1130051/ahmed-shehzad-the-traveling-evangelist )

Basically the point being made is that Yousuf to the detriment of his teams cricket, spent a lot of time preaching to the Australian players. Also this culture still seems to be around as can be seen from the Shehzad incident.

What do you make if it?

 

[Convict]

Well he was very generous to Hussey in Sydney

 

[Varun]

Nothing about M. Yousuf surprises me anymore.

 

[anakin]

According to this Dawn blog:

( http://www.dawn.com/news/1130051/ahmed-shehzad-the-traveling-evangelist )

Basically the point being made is that Yousuf to the detriment of his teams cricket, spent a lot of time preaching to the Australian players. Also this culture still seems to be around as can be seen from the Shehzad incident.

What do you make if it?

Its detrimental to the sports culture in Pakistan.. plain and simple.
If you think that somehow your religious identity makes you superior enough to preach others,
First: you plainly disrespect other cultures and societies (and ironically, look for the respect from other towards you)
People have their beliefs, respect the differences, if your beliefs has scant regard for others, others should very well have the right to diss you.
Second: Its a sports field, Religion, politics should not have any place on it (Ask the protesting black American medalists on the olympic podium). No matter how right you are (or in feel right in our crazed zealot minds)
This is not your sermon ground.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Running after Aussie players asking them to convert?

Hats off.

 

[junaid.ahmed]

Pathetic article

ok MoYo was busy in preaching then what other 10 were doing in that shameful white wash.

Every english writer in pakistan wanted to be N.F paracha to gain cheap publicity

 

[syedtumair]

they ( he and inzamam) also gave invitation to Lara in 06.

 

[yadunoe]

Its detrimental to the sports culture in Pakistan.. plain and simple.
If you think that somehow your religious identity makes you superior enough to preach others,
First: you plainly disrespect other cultures and societies (and ironically, look for the respect from other towards you)
People have their beliefs, respect the differences, if your beliefs has scant regard for others, others should very well have the right to diss you.
Second: Its a sports field, Religion, politics should not have any place on it (Ask the protesting black American medalists on the olympic podium). No matter how right you are (or in feel right in our crazed zealot minds)
This is not your sermon ground.

I agree religion has no place on the cricket field , bad stuff from shehzad and yousuf if someone comes up to you and asks about islam then it is our duty as muslims to inform him but one should not go after them and try to convince them if they do not wish to learn

 

[Sidilicious]

What is the Shehzad incident?

 

[Mir jibran]

shehzad should clear his aqeedah first
how come a guy will go to directly jannah ?? as he said whatever u do straight to heaven ?? shehzad KO darasgah bejo bai

 

[Madplayer]

its the most idiotic thing to do on a cricket field. what mindset are you going into the field with? convert players having other beliefs?
if u want to preach your beliefs then atleast have the sense of timing and place.

 

[Fastandfurious]

if this is true. What are Pak cricketers doing? Fix your damn selves first, getting caught in spot fixing all the time.

 

[DW44]

Pathetic article that by a lady writer

ok MoYo was busy in preaching then what other 10 were doing in that shameful white wash.

Every english writer in pakistan wanted to be N.F paracha to gain cheap publicity

Not pathetic at all. It states facts (as opposed to conjecture) and offers a pretty insightful opinion of those facts. What is, however, pathetic is the blatant sexism on display here.

As far as the rest of the team is concerned, you can't really go after them when the man you put in charge of them, their captain, is off playing Tariq Jamil instead of preparing for a series that was sure to stretch the team to the limits of their skill. In any case, quite a few players put in decent individual performances and poor captaincy had a much bigger role to play in our abject performance than anything else, Sydney being a prime example. The same thing happened in the previous series against NZ(1-1 draw against NZ, home or away, is almost as bad as a whitewash at the hands of Australia or RSA), a team we generally steamroll for fun, where the skipper was reportedly trying to convert the Kiwi players.

With regard to your last point, I don't see what's wrong with aspiring to excellence in your field which is precisely what Paracha represents as far as English journalism and social commentary in Pakistan is concerned.

 

[afzaal1988]

shehzad should clear his aqeedah first
how come a guy will go to directly jannah ?? as he said whatever u do straight to heaven ?? shehzad KO darasgah bejo bai

I thought if you revert to islam than all is forgiven and you start a new life? Offcourse if you still carry on doing sins than you wont go to jannah. That's what he meant as far as i know.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Bit of a nothing article IMO. The real issue with Anwar was that his cricket was being impacted by his focusing too much on religion. Who cares if he was trying to convert Australians? I doubt they cared much and just probably laughed him off as a bit of a loon. The Ahmed Shezad issue is similar. I'm sure a lot worse things have been said between international cricketers on the pitch.

Just do the job with bat or ball, then no one will give a toss about preaching. Just look at Moeen Ali and Amla for proof of that.

 

[cars112]

Bit of a nothing article IMO. The real issue with Anwar was that his cricket was being impacted by his focusing too much on religion. Who cares if he was trying to convert Australians? I doubt they cared much and just probably laughed him off as a bit of a loon. The Ahmed Shezad issue is similar. I'm sure a lot worse things have been said between international cricketers on the pitch.

I guess the issue is Rishwat whether Shezzy boy and Yousuf should be preaching to opponents. You are absolutely right in saying that its not like they were abusing anyone, what they were doing was actually noble but maybe they don't do it to opponents...

Somehow Shezzy saying "then be prepared for the fire" to an opponent doesn't sit right with me. Do you agree Rishwat?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I guess the issue is Rishwat whether Shezzy boy and Yousuf should be preaching to opponents. You are absolutely right in saying that its not like they were abusing anyone, what they were doing was actually noble but maybe they don't do it to opponents...

Somehow Shezzy saying "then be prepared for the fire" to an opponent doesn't sit right with me. Do you agree Rishwat?

I couldn't care less tbh. But as Dilshan still made a 50 looks like it didn't distract him much if that was the intention.

 

[MenInG]

Sorry but this is a big deal.

PCB doesnt pay players for religious sermons.

They need to keep their religion to themselves. For all we know they are also biased against players who dont believe in the same madhab that they do!

 

[Mir jibran]

I thought if you revert to islam than all is forgiven and you start a new life? Offcourse if you still carry on doing sins than you wont go to jannah. That's what he meant as far as i know.

he said if ua non Muslim u convert to Muslim no matter wat u do u ll be in heaven
as far as I have read this is not the way

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Sorry but this is a big deal.

PCB doesnt pay players for religious sermons.

They need to keep their religion to themselves. For all we know they are also biased against players who dont believe in the same madhab that they do!

You are right, PCB pays players to produce results, and as long as they do that then I don't think PCB will care what these players do as long as they are not breaking any ICC rules. Maybe the PCB should set up their own code of conduct regarding these issues if the ICC rules are too vague.

 

[Fastandfurious]

If the players want to teach their religion to others, then do it off the cricket field at least.

 

[Varun]

If the players want to teach their religion to others, then do it off the cricket field at least.

Out of curiosity, what would Yousuf or Shehzad or Inzamam or whoever else gain out of a conversion, if they're lucky enough to influence anybody? Is there a financial incentive behind all this, or what?

 

[Fastandfurious]

Out of curiosity, what would Yousuf or Shehzad or Inzamam or whoever else gain out of a conversion, if they're lucky enough to influence anybody? Is there a financial incentive behind all this, or what?

It's not even about converting, we as Muslims believe that we have the truth and want to share with others but sharing with others is done by invitation(da'wah). When you invite somebody, you don't tell them you're going to hell otherwise as Shehzad did. These guys lack wisdom. A Muslim's job is just to spread the message of Islam and whether the person will accept or not, we leave those matters to Allah(God).

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Does anyone really believe that Shezad was trying to convert Dilshan while he was batting? Does that sound likely to people here? Or how about this: maybe he was trying to distract him and get under his skin? Make him lose concentration while batting.

 

[Hawkeye]

This issue is pretty non-existent under Misbah. That's why the stability, zero controversies, united team.

Afridi had that "I don't care attitude" and Shehzad seems to be a bit mindless as well, remember he's a big follower of Afridi and probably wants to be a superstar. His attention-seeking and weird habits are evident from his Twitter profile as well.

Regardless, I don't think Shehzad was trying to convert Dilshan, don't know how the conversation started as both of them were looking just fine.

 

[afzaal1988]

he said if ua non Muslim u convert to Muslim no matter wat u do u ll be in heaven
as far as I have read this is not the way

He probably meant if ua non Muslim u convert to Muslim no matter wat u have done u ll be in heaven.(if he was to die, otherwise he would be judged like any other muslim)
He doesnt speak english as first language. i dont think he is that stupid and says if you convert than you can do anything and still go to heaven.

 

[Junaids]

Well he was very generous to Hussey in Sydney

Exactly!

Don't focus on the beard. Just ask yourself what on earth was going on at Sydney.

I am aware that Amir missed that Test, but between the tour to Sri Lanka and the tour to Australia, no wonder he grew accustomed to fixing as a way of life.

 

[Bosch]

Out of curiosity, what would Yousuf or Shehzad or Inzamam or whoever else gain out of a conversion, if they're lucky enough to influence anybody? Is there a financial incentive behind all this, or what?

Money money money how do you guys sleep at night[emoji33]


Sent from my iPhone!

 

[Bosch]

Does anyone really believe that Shezad was trying to convert Dilshan while he was batting? Does that sound likely to people here? Or how about this: maybe he was trying to distract him and get under his skin? Make him lose concentration while batting.

No I think conversation didn't just come out on the field it probably was a continuation of one of the previous conversations he had with him.


Sent from my iPhone!

 

[rohityadav]

pakistan cricketers need modern education.

 

[dashing_man]

Sorry but this is a big deal.

PCB doesnt pay players for religious sermons.

They need to keep their religion to themselves. For all we know they are also biased against players who dont believe in the same madhab that they do!

Exactly, there should've have been action against it IF it was done on the field. OFF THE FIELD is no issue for me and shouldn't be to anyone

 

[Mir jibran]

He probably meant if ua non Muslim u convert to Muslim no matter wat u have done u ll be in heaven.(if he was to die, otherwise he would be judged like any other muslim)
He doesnt speak english as first language. i dont think he is that stupid and says if you convert than you can do anything and still go to heaven.

Shehzad was heard advising Dilshan as the two
were walking back to the dressing room after the
third ODI in Dambulla. The Pakistani batsman was
caught on camera telling Dilshan “if you are a non-
Muslim and you turn Muslim, no matter whatever
you do in your life, (you will go) straight to
heaven.”

 

[afzaal1988]

Shehzad was heard advising Dilshan as the two
were walking back to the dressing room after the
third ODI in Dambulla. The Pakistani batsman was
caught on camera telling Dilshan “if you are a non-
Muslim and you turn Muslim, no matter whatever
you do in your life, (you will go) straight to
heaven.”

read my post again mate i have seen that video

 

[Mir jibran]

read my post again mate i have seen that video

I know bro I understood
I just posted

 

[Zanjeer]

I love these words...." straight to heaven" :hysterical:

 

[Wristy_Shuffler]

Putting everything else aside, does anyone else find it funny that the PCB has set up a three-member committee to investigate this?

 

[Chickenkorma]

Pretty soon Pak team will be doing sajda after every dotball and boundary...

 

[AZulfi]

I won't be surprised if this is true or if Inzi and 'Mullah' Saeed Anwar did this too

 

[leatherface58]

Maybe Misbah refused to grow a beard hence Moyo's dislike for him?

 

[Mamoon]

Any cricketer who attempts to preach internally or externally should be shown the door and I dare say this sajdah business after every milestone is getting a little out of hand too.

 

[Buffet]

Out of curiosity, what would Yousuf or Shehzad or Inzamam or whoever else gain out of a conversion, if they're lucky enough to influence anybody? Is there a financial incentive behind all this, or what?

As far as I know, you get plenty of extra brownie points and that's why this urge to convert others in religions. Some one can talk about Islam specifically but I think it will be something similar.

 

[Varun]

Any cricketer who attempts to preach internally or externally should be shown the door and I dare say this sajdah business after every milestone is getting a little out of hand too.

True, and it doesn't seem to have anything to do with Islam either, it only seems to be a Pakistani thing. Mentioned this on another thread as well - I can't recall say, the Bangladeshi players or Amla or Moeen Ali after he took a 5-fer against us do any kind of sajdah, they just get on with the game.

 

[nobull]

As far as I know, you get plenty of extra brownie points and that's why this urge to convert others in religions. Some one can talk about Islam specifically but I think it will be something similar.

Social cache only or extra perks upstairs?

 

[EarthBoltX]

Any cricketer who attempts to preach internally or externally should be shown the door and I dare say this sajdah business after every milestone is getting a little out of hand too.

Absolutely, we can't have this kind of radical extremism in our lovely sport, am I right..
Pakistanis discussing religion, eh. Not usually a pretty picture.

Whether by these cricketers or on a forum.
Though it's true, that these guys probably have a lot more deep-seated issues to worry about, and should worry about them instead of focusing on their sajdah on a cricket field.

 

[Buffet]

Sorry but this is a big deal.

PCB doesnt pay players for religious sermons.

They need to keep their religion to themselves. For all we know they are also biased against players who dont believe in the same madhab that they do!

Golden words. Imagine how a Pakistani player will feel inside the dug out if he doesn't believe in the words of these preachers. He will be bombarded with the talk of hell fire and situation will be very suffocating. I know for few folks it's hard to imagine. Reverse the role and imagine that you are a part of an international team and getting bombarded with talks of hell fire if you don't leave Islam.

If few players can do it to opposition players then I can only imagine the situation when dressing rooms are shared. Didn't Akhtar give some statement about it's going out of hands during his time? I remember reading something about it.

 

[steelo green]

True, and it doesn't seem to have anything to do with Islam either, it only seems to be a Pakistani thing. Mentioned this on another thread as well - I can't recall say, the Bangladeshi players or Amla or Moeen Ali after he took a 5-fer against us do any kind of sajdah, they just get on with the game.

I agree with the preaching of religion and trying to convert on the field as ridiculous but sajda? First of all, I can't recall a bowler giving a sajda after a 5er. 50s and centuries yes, but in all sports players thank god for performances. If they're trying to preach to others, definitely not, but thank God for their success then I don't think we should call foul.

How many people touch the ground when they walk on the field? Many. And I don't see anything wrong with it. If you're doing it personally then go ahead, pushing on others and there's a problem to me.

 

[Buffet]

Social cache only or extra perks upstairs?

As far as I know, it's extra perks upstairs. Incentive is a huge factor in shaping our behavior.

 

[Varun]

First of all, I can't recall a bowler giving a sajda after a 5er.

Wahab Riaz in Mohali would be a pertinent example.

 

[speed]

Tableeges giving dawah to non mulims lol that's a first, they only seem concerned with giving dawah to muslims, knocking on peoples door for gasht and disrupting cricket matches.

 

[Saj]

I'm not sure about the religious angle of this but I've spoken with Yousuf about the captaincy angle a few times.

This is what Yousuf said :-

"The Pakistan captaincy is not something that I have craved over the years. I didn’t know when I was going to be captain and when I was not going to be captain, it’s all in the Almighty’s hands. It’s not something that I have been desperate for or indeed aimed to do, I have just preferred to look to perform to the best of my ability over the years."

 

[Bilal7]

Later on, a number of tales came up. One of these described Yousuf as having spent the better part of his time running after Australian cricketers to preach to them the virtues of embracing Islam...

Joke of a thread this. Nowhere was there any proof provided that showed Yousuf doing any preaching. He wasn't fluent in English and I find it really hard to believe that he would go have such a deep conversation with the Aussie players when there haven't even been any reports of him approaching the Indian players and asking them to convert, players with whom he shares a native tongue.

This is all speculation and conspiracy theories. The real problem was that we played some pathetic cricket in that series and the ongoing spat between Younis and Yousuf which had almost nothing to do with religion.

Out of curiosity, what would Yousuf or Shehzad or Inzamam or whoever else gain out of a conversion, if they're lucky enough to influence anybody? Is there a financial incentive behind all this, or what?

No financial incentive, only sawab in the hereafter.

True, and it doesn't seem to have anything to do with Islam either, it only seems to be a Pakistani thing. Mentioned this on another thread as well - I can't recall say, the Bangladeshi players or Amla or Moeen Ali after he took a 5-fer against us do any kind of sajdah, they just get on with the game.

This does seem to be a Pakistani thing but I'm not one to doubt their intentions. Maybe they are genuinely thanking Allah (swt).

 

[Mamoon]

True, and it doesn't seem to have anything to do with Islam either, it only seems to be a Pakistani thing. Mentioned this on another thread as well - I can't recall say, the Bangladeshi players or Amla or Moeen Ali after he took a 5-fer against us do any kind of sajdah, they just get on with the game.

Absolutely, we can't have this kind of radical extremism in our lovely sport, am I right..
Pakistanis discussing religion, eh. Not usually a pretty picture.

Whether by these cricketers or on a forum.
Though it's true, that these guys probably have a lot more deep-seated issues to worry about, and should worry about them instead of focusing on their sajdah on a cricket field.

It almost feels mechanical now and something that are supposed to do along with thanking God afterwards. I doubt if most of our players are more practicing then Amla but you won't see him do this stuff.

Seems like a part of the team culture which they are forced to practice.

Nothing wrong in thanking God but there seems to be less emotions and more traditions involved.

 

[GenericBrand]

Wonder how Kaneria felt being in the team.

 

[123]

Probably there is some belief that if you get someone to convert then you also go to heaven.

Its amazing how much time and energy people spend/waste on an imagined thing. I find it weird that god put us all on this world so we pray all the time to him and then he lets us into a pleasant place. Kind of weird process.

 

[Bilal7]

Wonder how Kaneria felt being in the team.

Not to bad, I presume since he wasn't forced to convert and instead had the full backing of his captain, Inzi. He is proof that this whole Inzi/Yousuf/Anwar demonizing business is garbage.

 

[SM1989]

Where is the proof that Yousuf was preaching to the Aussies? The entire team played poor cricket during that horrible series.

Secondly it seems the author is a Nadeem Paracha wannabe. Using a small insignificant incident to push her own liberal agenda. This article was pretty rubbish to be honest and extremely biased.

 

[AZulfi]

Maybe Misbah refused to grow a beard hence Moyo's dislike for him?

plausible

 

[steelo green]

Wahab Riaz in Mohali would be a pertinent example.

Okay, one example, IE the exception, not the rule.

Regardless, you missed the actual point of the post and grasped at straws to try and rebut what was said.

 

[Amir]

How come Aussie players never said anything about this....


...probably because it is not true.

 

[saadibaba]

Mohammad Yousuf got preached on by fellow players...that is how he became Mohammad Yousuf from Yousuf Yohanna. I won't be surprised if this is true. Maybe the preaching was more underhanded and off the field.

 

[Mamoon]

Well it's safe to say that he did a miserable job.

 

[Buffet]

How come Aussie players never said anything about this....


...probably because it is not true.

The odds of MoYo trying to preach Australian cricketers, when playing cricket there, is very high. See below, he did the same with NZ players. He has been directly quoted. I just Googled it and it came up.

---------------------------------------

SYDNEY: Most of Pakistan’s cricketers chose to stay at their hotel right next to the Sydney Harbour on New Year’s Eve waiting to see ane explosion of colour that marked the start of 2010 here.

But their captain Mohammad Yousuf had different plans. Yousuf spent his New Year’s Eve at the grand mosque in West Sydney where hundreds of people, mostly Pakistanis, turned up to meet him.

Yousuf had accepted an invitation to go to the Rootey Hill Mosque and told its management that he will also try to bring along some of his other teammates.

But in the end, he was the only one to turn up at the mosque.

Yousuf told people there that he tries to preach Islam on his cricket tours abroad, saying that he invited top cricketers like West Indian great Brian Lara and New Zealand captain Daniel Vettori in a bid to provide them with a better understanding of Islam.

“We had a session with Brian Lara when he came to Pakistan and told him things about Islam he didn’t know,” said the Pakistan captain, who began his cicketing career as a Christian but converted to Islam in 2005 changing his name from Yousuf Youhana to Mohammad Yousuf.

“When we were in New Zealand last month, I invited Vettori for a similar session,” he said.



http://www.thenews.com.pk/TodaysPrintDetail.aspx?ID=216337&Cat=10&dt=12/27/2009

---------------------------

 

[Dr_Bassim]

I have no problem preaching Islam off the field if it doesn't impact their own cricket performances.

But when it becomes a primary ... instead of a secondary it's a problem...

When cricket is used as a means to spread the message then it's a deep problem...

Where to draw the line? It's hard and hence I feel sports and religion should be entirely separate things because one can always go to far when delivering his "Aqeedah"


However, as far as "Sajda" is concerned... When a Christian footballer makes a cross ... no one complains.. then why is it then when Muslims show their thankfulness the matter is blown out of proportion. Seems to me you can' t do "Sajdah" to thank the Lord but you can raise the cross ... to thank Jesus... Totally unfair and double standards.

There should be no problem thanking the Lord whether you bow down ... or erupt in glee or raise a cross. It's just that .. a way of gratitude.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Mohammad Yousuf got preached on by fellow players...that is how he became Mohammad Yousuf from Yousuf Yohanna. I won't be surprised if this is true. Maybe the preaching was more underhanded and off the field.

Maybe he was hypnotised or brainwashed into deciding his own mind? That would be a tragedy.

 

[dashing_man]

Maybe Misbah refused to grow a beard hence Moyo's dislike for him?

That's a possibility cuz misbah have said before why wasn't comfortable with him before

 

[Adil_94]

This tableeghi jamat shouldnt be mixed with cricket. Akhtar previously has said that Inzi in the 2006 tour of England used to knock on every players door asking them to pray Fajr. I think Sajda is fine though a lot of Christian players do the sign of the cross. But preaching on the field is just wrong

 

[Straight_Drive]

Even afridi is part of this tableegi stuff......he arranged a meeting between Amir khan and some mullah who tried to persuade Amir to leave Bollywood and other things and become a sachha musalman...Moyo,Inzi,anwar,afridi,shehzad all are into this so it is not surprising

 

[QazzarFan]

Instead of showboating Islam through token visible appearances, religious gestures and evangelism, may be if the team exhibited and practiced the virtues of Islam through their character as oppose to vices like bringing scandals & corruption to the game thus maligning the image of their country, then perhaps the strength of their faith would've been more visible on field and off.

 

[Bilal7]

Instead of showboating Islam through token visible appearances, religious gestures and evangelism, may be if the team exhibited and practiced the virtues of Islam through their character as oppose to vices like bringing scandals & corruption to the game thus maligning the image of their country, then perhaps the strength of their faith would've been more visible on field and off.

Good post.

 

[Random Aussie]

Errr OK mate. If he did I doubt he had much success.

 

[Bilal7]

This tableeghi jamat shouldnt be mixed with cricket. Akhtar previously has said that Inzi in the 2006 tour of England used to knock on every players door asking them to pray Fajr. I think Sajda is fine though a lot of Christian players do the sign of the cross. But preaching on the field is just wrong

Don't see what is wrong with this? Is Fajr not Farz on every Muslim adult?

 

[Adil_94]

Don't see what is wrong with this? Is Fajr not Farz on every Muslim adult?

It is Farz but its still a choice if you want to read it. You shouldnt force anyone to read namaz. Akhtar himself wasnt a particularly religious person he should be allowed to make his own choices. Plus they should keep religion out of the team. Thats one thing i admire about Misbah. He has curbed the Mullahs.

 

[Bilal7]

It is Farz but its still a choice if you want to read it. You shouldnt force anyone to read namaz. Akhtar himself wasnt a particularly religious person he should be allowed to make his own choices. Plus they should keep religion out of the team. Thats one thing i admire about Misbah. He has curbed the Mullahs.

Nothing wrong if you're reminding others that they should be performing it. You can't put your Islam on hold when you're out playing cricket. Praying Salaah doesn't interfere with their cricket at all so I don't know why you would have anything against this. You already said that they can do whatever they want off the field but that doesn't seem sonsistent with what you're saying here. Akhtar has changed for the better since he has started spending time with the Jamaat brothers.

 

[Adil_94]

Nothing wrong if you're reminding others that they should be performing it. You can't put your Islam on hold when you're out playing cricket. Praying Salaah doesn't interfere with their cricket at all so I don't know why you would have anything against this. You already said that they can do whatever they want off the field but that doesn't seem sonsistent with what you're saying here. Akhtar has changed for the better since he has started spending time with the Jamaat brothers.

When you start harrasing players to become religious read namaz then it becomes a problem. There were reports of Inzi and Woolmer arguing because Inzi kept saying to him how can you be an atheist. That is disrupting the team. Fact is when a lot of people become religious they become intolerant of other view points and think their way of life is the only way. Just growing a beard and praying doesnt make you a good person. Anyone can be a good person. Look at Amla he is religious but he is sincere from what i can see. All his team mates praise him for being a calming influence. But look at Moyo he has grown a beard but still has a Ghatiya personality. If you dont change your inner self doesnt matter what you do on the outside that change is purely cosmetic. But a lot of Pakistanis automatically assume that a bearded guy is somehow pious and a good person.

 

[Adil_94]

Nothing wrong if you're reminding others that they should be performing it. You can't put your Islam on hold when you're out playing cricket. Praying Salaah doesn't interfere with their cricket at all so I don't know why you would have anything against this. You already said that they can do whatever they want off the field but that doesn't seem sonsistent with what you're saying here. Akhtar has changed for the better since he has started spending time with the Jamaat brothers.

When a player himself doesnt want to read namaz or pray. You shouldnt keep trying to force him. Its like if you dont drink and everyday someone kept saying have a drink it would annoy you and create animosity between you and that person.

 

[Bilal7]

When you start harrasing players to become religious read namaz then it becomes a problem. There were reports of Inzi and Woolmer arguing because Inzi kept saying to him how can you be an atheist. That is disrupting the team. Fact is when a lot of people become religious they become intolerant of other view points and think their way of life is the only way. Just growing a beard and praying doesnt make you a good person. Anyone can be a good person. Look at Amla he is religious but he is sincere from what i can see. All his team mates praise him for being a calming influence. But look at Moyo he has grown a beard but still has a Ghatiya personality. If you dont change your inner self doesnt matter what you do on the outside that change is purely cosmetic. But a lot of Pakistanis automatically assume that a bearded guy is somehow pious and a good person.

Don't make up stories. How was Inzi harassing them? And these stories about Inzi/Yousuf are mostly false but treated as fact by the secular brigade who can't stand the Deen. This thread itself is proof of that.

No, when people do become proper Muslims, they have good akhlaq and become more tolerant of other people. You mentioned Amla yet by your logic he must be the most intolerant person playing cricket, currently. Yousuf had his flaws, so did Inzi but I'll take them over some of the other players that we've had.

You do change your inner-self when you start praying five times a day with proper concentration and devotion, it is a hadith of RasulAllah (saw).

Yes, many do but most of the time, the Muslims who do take the wajibaat of our Deen seriously, are pious and good people.

When a player himself doesnt want to read namaz or pray. You shouldnt keep trying to force him. Its like if you dont drink and everyday someone kept saying have a drink it would annoy you and create animosity between you and that person.

No one was/is forcing them.

 

[Adil_94]

Don't make up stories. How was Inzi harassing them? And these stories about Inzi/Yousuf are mostly false but treated as fact by the secular brigade who can't stand the Deen. This thread itself is proof of that.

No, when people do become proper Muslims, they have good akhlaq and become more tolerant of other people. You mentioned Amla yet by your logic he must be the most intolerant person playing cricket, currently. Yousuf had his flaws, so did Inzi but I'll take them over some of the other players that we've had.

You do change your inner-self when you start praying five times a day with proper concentration and devotion, it is a hadith of RasulAllah (saw).

Yes, many do but most of the time, the Muslims who do take the wajibaat of our Deen seriously, are pious and good people.

You are being naive if you dont think Inzi was harrassing players. Also Moyo himself trying to convert Aussies when we are getting smashed all over the place in Australia is interfering with our teams performance. have you ever heard of Amla trying to enforce his religion on anyone. Having religous discussions on the field saying you will go to the fire. Even when Dean Jones called him a terrorist he forgave him. he is a genuine good guy from all accounts. Its because thr vast majority of Pakistanis are uneducated and intolerant of other views. I have seen a lot of people they will mock another religion or faith but as soon as someone does that to Islam they start crying about it . And in the Pakistani community i have seen too many people using the beard as a mask when inside they are still bad people. You should better yourself as a person thats the most important thing in my eyes. Prayer means nothing if you are still a bad person.

 

[DW44]

That's a possibility cuz misbah have said before why wasn't comfortable with him before

He did? When? Akhtar and Shahryar Khan mentioned in their books that Inzamam and his friends were not too keen on having Misbah in the team on sectarian grounds but I've never come across any mention of Misbah himself addressing the issue. Any links?

 

[Bilal7]

You are being naive if you dont think Inzi was harrassing players. Also Moyo himself trying to convert Aussies when we are getting smashed all over the place in Australia is interfering with our teams performance. have you ever heard of Amla trying to enforce his religion on anyone. Having religous discussions on the field saying you will go to the fire. Even when Dean Jones called him a terrorist he forgave him. he is a genuine good guy from all accounts. Its because thr vast majority of Pakistanis are uneducated and intolerant of other views. I have seen a lot of people they will mock another religion or faith but as soon as someone does that to Islam they start crying about it . And in the Pakistani community i have seen too many people using the beard as a mask when inside they are still bad people. You should better yourself as a person thats the most important thing in my eyes. Prayer means nothing if you are still a bad person.

No, I'm not. You're backbiting Inzi withut proof and FYI, that Yousuf thing is just a rumour and its sad that you're treating it as fact. Validates what I said in my previous post.

Like I said, you keep talking about Amla but then say that people become intolerant and rude when they become religious which is just not true. Its completely the opposite from what I've expereinced in all my life, you actually have to be around the religious elders and scholars to observe this. Reading blogs on Dawn won't show you this.

There are exeptions obviously but I've seen a lot worse from clean shaven, secular "Muslims".

90% of the Mullahs don't have good akhlaq or social skills and come across as highly obnoxious.

I would like you to forward me the criteria and background research that you used to conduct this survey, as well as the names of the professors who validated your query.

You get on my case when I use the word "fact" but are blatantly lying here.

 

[dashing_man]

He did? When? Akhtar and Shahryar Khan mentioned in their books that Inzamam and his friends were not too keen on having Misbah in the team on sectarian grounds but I've never come across any mention of Misbah himself addressing the issue. Any links?

I know I've heard it, probably from one of Misbah's interview from last year