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Did Pakistan take the right decision to declare with a lead of just 475 on this pitch?

Did Pakistan take the right decision to declare with a lead of just 475 in the 2nd Test?

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475 is going to be a record chase, but not that difficult on this pitch and against this inexperienced attack

Was it right to declare with just 475 on the board and 150+ overs of play left?
 
Not really no. Should have batted for a few more overs and taken the lead to 550 or so. Then put fielders around the bat and have at it.

I fear they might go defensive if a long partnership develops.
 
Anything more than 380 was a very sensible decision
Scoreboard pressure also matters a lot,
Yasir shah will be treated like warne now
 
Syed1 said:
The highest 4th score ever chased is 418.
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I know, let me reiterate, on this pitch against this inexperienced attack.

It might be more than enough, but should’ve batted for half an hour more and declared at 550.

All Sl needs to do is score at 3.10 runs per over. On this pitch even if you block you’ll easily get 4 runs per over
 
It's a very bold and aggressive move.

The kind of cliche "aggression" PPers are always using.

And I'm super nervous. Misbah is a top tactician I understand but this is far too bold for my liking.

Of course this is also a way to get a result from this match.

Hope we're able to take 10 wickets. Bowlers a bit raw but hopeful.

All the best to the team. We haven't played this exciting cricket in YEARS!!
 
Hawkeye said:
It's a very bold and aggressive move.

The kind of cliche "aggression" PPers are always using.

And I'm super nervous. Misbah is a top tactician I understand but this is far too bold for my liking.

Of course this is also a way to get a result from this match.

Hope we're able to take 10 wickets. Bowlers a bit raw but hopeful.

All the best to the team. We haven't played this exciting cricket in YEARS!!
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Agree. This is a very bold decision and might backfire big time.

And, it’s very unlike Misbah too.
 
Hawkeye said:
It's a very bold and aggressive move.

The kind of cliche "aggression" PPers are always using.

And I'm super nervous. Misbah is a top tactician I understand but this is far too bold for my liking.

Of course this is also a way to get a result from this match.

Hope we're able to take 10 wickets. Bowlers a bit raw but hopeful.

All the best to the team. We haven't played this exciting cricket in YEARS!!
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Yaar ap tou rehnay dein....
 
Babar_Azam_fan said:
Agree. This is a very bold decision and might backfire big time.

And, it’s very unlike Misbah too.
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This is the only way to get a result from this flat pitch.

They want a win.

Can't blame them for being aggressive.
 
Hawkeye said:
It's a very bold and aggressive move.

The kind of cliche "aggression" PPers are always using.

And I'm super nervous. Misbah is a top tactician I understand but this is far too bold for my liking.

Of course this is also a way to get a result from this match.

Hope we're able to take 10 wickets. Bowlers a bit raw but hopeful.

All the best to the team. We haven't played this exciting cricket in YEARS!!
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HAHAHAHA the amount of propoganda in this post is astounding.

1) Misbah top tactican - since when? Please tell us one example to prove this? :)))
2) Very bold and aggressive - when the highest score been chases is 418, how is this bold and aggressive? This is safe.
3) We haven't played this exciting cricket in YEARS!! - Uhh, such as the the Champions Trophy success, or the exploits in England in test cricket???

Man, you never fail to give a great laugh. :)))
 
Hawkeye said:
This is the only way to get a result from this flat pitch.

They want a win.

Can't blame them for being aggressive.
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Half an hour more of batting wouldn’t have made any difference. But, the target could’ve been 550
 
gazza619 said:
If u cant defend 475 no matter what pitch, you don't deserve to win.
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Yeah

I'm nervous because the pitch is quite flat plus SL has took the bait and are going for it!

No wickets too
 
Hopeless Azhar and Shan easily scored 100s on this pitch. And recently our bowling has been terrible on flat tracks. For this reason, i wouldn't have mind if they batted aggressively for another half hour and then declared.
 
Never should have declared maybe 550 lead yes..should have batted quicker too
 
Too adventurous for my liking. Given our inexperienced bowling it would have been wise to play another 10 over at least.
 
If 475 is not safe then 525 isnt safe even. Both teams have the chance given the pitch , yasir will have to contribute.
 
The comments on this thread show how most of the people have no idea what they are talking about.
 
Hawkeye said:
It's a very bold and aggressive move.

The kind of cliche "aggression" PPers are always using.

And I'm super nervous. Misbah is a top tactician I understand but this is far too bold for my liking.

Of course this is also a way to get a result from this match.

Hope we're able to take 10 wickets. Bowlers a bit raw but hopeful.

All the best to the team. We haven't played this exciting cricket in YEARS!!
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I know you are a Misbah fan but this is way over the top, you are making it seem like they declared with a lead of 270. If Sri Lanka chase down 475 than it would be the highest chase in the entire history of test cricket. This was a good declaration but no where as bold as you are making it out to be.
 
Hawkeye said:
It's a very bold and aggressive move.

The kind of cliche "aggression" PPers are always using.

And I'm super nervous. Misbah is a top tactician I understand but this is far too bold for my liking.

Of course this is also a way to get a result from this match.

Hope we're able to take 10 wickets. Bowlers a bit raw but hopeful.

All the best to the team. We haven't played this exciting cricket in YEARS!!
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Nice trolling.
 
Professor said:
I know you are a Misbah fan but this is way over the top, you are making it seem like they declared with a lead of 270. If Sri Lanka chase down 475 than it would be the highest chase in the entire history of test cricket. This was a good declaration but no where as bold as you are making it out to be.
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If you think it was a huge target then you haven't watched the match, pitch and the remaining overs.
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]
 
Hawkeye said:
If you think it was a huge target then you haven't watched the match, pitch and the remaining overs.
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]
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You were wrong and it shows your cricketing knowledge. Dont need to say more.

As said before, this was a good and safe decision by the management.
 
Please observe a moment of silence for people who thought this was an aggressive decision. At the time of posting SL are 98/5
 
Most of the ppers like the op dont seem to have a clue ahout test cricket Considering the highest ever successful chase in history is 418 id say this rather than it being a risky declaration its actually more safe than necessary
 
Syed1 said:
Please observe a moment of silence for people who thought this was an aggressive decision. At the time of posting SL are 98/5
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They are 98/5 because it was achievable Einstein. A very bold.move and we were able bait them. So they went for it.
 
Hawkeye said:
They are 98/5 because it was achievable Einstein. A very bold.move and we were able bait them. So they went for it.
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Man, playing at home and declaring after a lead of 475 is not an aggressive or a bold move. That's just crazy thinking
 
uberkoen said:
Man, playing at home and declaring after a lead of 475 is not an aggressive or a bold move. That's just crazy thinking
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Hawkeye wanted to push the bold and aggressive narrative and failed spectacularly. :misbah
 
Hawkeye said:
It's a very bold and aggressive move.

The kind of cliche "aggression" PPers are always using.

And I'm super nervous. Misbah is a top tactician I understand but this is far too bold for my liking.

Of course this is also a way to get a result from this match.

Hope we're able to take 10 wickets. Bowlers a bit raw but hopeful.

All the best to the team. We haven't played this exciting cricket in YEARS!!
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What are you smoking? Bold decision? Lead of 475 is a bold decision?
 
I was a little bit worried because the wicket has become flat.Also Pakistan bowling side is not very experienced (except abbas).All bowlers bowled well except Yasir.A good off spinner may have done better.
 
There was no need to declare that early. Should have batted 5 more overs and taken it to 520.
As it stood at the time, if SL batted the full overs they would have made the runs, which is silly. It would only have happened 1 time out of 30 but why even leave that 2 or 3 per cent chance.
Especially when Yasir "4 an over" was gonna have to bowl half the overs.

If dickwellla had closed up shop to end of day, I'd be sitting here nervous!!!
 
Abdullah said:
There was no need to declare that early. Should have batted 5 more overs and taken it to 520.
As it stood at the time, if SL batted the full overs they would have made the runs, which is silly. It would only have happened 1 time out of 30 but why even leave that 2 or 3 per cent chance.
Especially when Yasir "4 an over" was gonna have to bowl half the overs.

If dickwellla had closed up shop to end of day, I'd be sitting here nervous!!!
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At the same time I wouldn't call it a brave declaration though
 
Zaz said:
Most of the ppers like the op dont seem to have a clue ahout test cricket Considering the highest ever successful chase in history is 418 id say this rather than it being a risky declaration its actually more safe than necessary
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It wasn't . If you think that you need 150 overs to get them out, they could be quite close to the score by the time it gets to the 145th.
Why do that? It makes little sense
 
yeah was a really good decision
azhar pleasantly surprised me, was expecting him to declare way later . which would be ridiculously stupid of course because sri lanka came into this game with hardly any bowlers and were always playing for the draw I reckon ' , , but that's what i expected from him , to actually be fearful of sri lanka winning in karachi
 
Sri Lanka have lost 7 wickets for 212 runs.

Pakistan have an entire day to get 3 wickets and win the game easily.

Sri Lanka not only have to score 250+ runs with just 3 wickets in hand if they want to win, their tailenders also have to bat out 90 overs to even hope for a draw.

We will win easily from this situation. And if we don't, then we simply don't deserve to play Tests
 
In hindsight, not a good declaration in the first innings.
 
Hikaru said:
Pakistan declared because in their minds they are a big team with superstars playing at home against minnow Bangladesh. Lack of respect for the opposition played a big part here.
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Pakistan at one stage had Bangladesh 200/5 with a first innings score of 448. They allowed the last 5 Bangladesh wickets to add 365 which is criminal.

And no the pitch is not entirely flat. The reality is that the majority of Pakistani pacers do not have the fitness to sustain test cricket, their speeds, intensity drop dramatically in their third spells onwards and then they look to bowl well within themselves and preserve themselves for T20 leagues.

The PCB needs to ban T20 Nocs for Pakistani pacers and direct them to play first class cricket so that they get used to bowling long spells in test cricket again.
 
Pakistan should have batted on in the first inning to score 550 something
 
Hikaru said:
Pakistan declared because in their minds they are a big team with superstars playing at home against minnow Bangladesh. Lack of respect for the opposition played a big part here.
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Did you think this at the time?

I think most posters were happy with the declaration. In a rain-affected game, it was a somewhat positive move and definitely not disrespectful to the Bangladeshis. In the context of the game it made complete sense to declare and then have a quick burst with the ball before the close for the day.
However, we lost the plot with the ball and then capitulated with the bat in the second innings.

Attributing this loss to the declaration is letting the players off the hook for a shambolic performance, where Bangladesh completely out played them.
 
Turns out, shan masood is also a social media captain.

@deadly remember when same lot of fans would want misbah to declare such scores in UAE. Lol
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Did you think this at the time?

I think most posters were happy with the declaration. In a rain-affected game, it was a somewhat positive move and definitely not disrespectful to the Bangladeshis. In the context of the game it made complete sense to declare and then have a quick burst with the ball before the close for the day.
However, we lost the plot with the ball and then capitulated with the bat in the second innings.

Attributing this loss to the declaration is letting the players off the hook for a shambolic performance, where Bangladesh completely out played them.
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Fine, my observation may have had a hindsight bias, I'll agree. But I still see some underestimation in that decision. Babar and company never expected Bangladeshi bowlers to be a worry.
 
Major said:
Turns out, shan masood is also a social media captain.

@deadly remember when same lot of fans would want misbah to declare such scores in UAE. Lol
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Misbah bhai lead Pakistan to #1 rank and let them hold the made for a while.

This team has lost a test match to Bangladesh at home. Its so humiliating.
 
It was the right declaration.
Nobody asked PAK to collapse in the 2nd innings.

It's also what happens when both fans and TM trust a hilariously overrated bowling attack to defend anything.
 
Major said:
Turns out, shan masood is also a social media captain.

@deadly remember when same lot of fans would want misbah to declare such scores in UAE. Lol
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This has nothing to do with Pakistan declaring early. Batting longer would have led to a draw anyway and it's the bare bones definition of loser mentality.

It was a horrific collapse in the 2nd that cost pakistan.

As for Misbah, He's declared at 400 in the past lol and still won games.

As I said it has nothing to do with declaration. Misbah's team was filled with test class batters that all understood their roles, gelled well with a good onfield captain who knew what to do in which situation.

One of Misbah's most famous decisions was to not enforce a follow on againat Australia in UAE, alot of people claimed it was a hare brained decison however a few years later Australia would deliberately draw when given said follow on rules since their more them capable of tuk tuking for 3 days.

Hence he knew he needed to pressure Australia with a target in mind to get a result.

Shan masood is an idiot, but declaration was not the issue, it's the right call, it's just the team is too weak and doesn't know how to play test cricket or even bat properly
 
Hikaru said:
Pakistan declared because in their minds they are a big team with superstars playing at home against minnow Bangladesh. Lack of respect for the opposition played a big part here.
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It has nothing to do with lack of respect. Misbah and even other teams have declared for far less and won easily.

The difference is that Pakistan of the past specifically Misbah could read the pitch properly and plan accordingly and UAE wasn't a phata.

The players Shehzad, Misbah, Younis, Azhar, Shafiq and Sarfraz were all excellent players of spin in the UAE especially YK and Misbah who were the best at reading it. Secondly they all knew how to play a test match and at what pace.

They were an extremly gelled team.

This current Pakistan can't read the conditions at all. Firstly they have rubbish spinners and pacers, And secondly Bangladesh on day 4 and day 5 were turning it on phata wickets, but despite this the spin and seam was minimal yet Pakistan got bundled out like a bafoon.

Declaring at 448 with 1 day wasted due to rain isn't an issue, the goal of a test game is to win and not go for a draw. I actually have respect for pakistan on trying to go for a win and not batting linger.

The issue is simple, Theirs a gap in skill aka players can't play spin or seam with even a minimal seam, swing or Spin, and the captain is a moron. Misbah would field shehzad and Azhar 2 amazing slip fielders at difficult positions.

Shan doesn't have those options which is fair, but WHY ON EARTH WOULD YOU PLACE SALMAN ALI AGHA IN SLIPS? The last time this moron got smacked in the face by a ball in wc 2023? He's possibly the worst choice you can have at slips on your current team? Why not try saud? Surely he can't do any worse?
 
I don’t see why the declaration is being blamed? Did anyone really think Pakistan were going to get shot out for 140 in the 3rd innings on this deck?

If anyone had elite insight like this, only they can genuinely criticise the declaration.
 
Declaration was done with an intention to win the game, not to allow Bangladesh score 565 runs in 5 & half session and completely surrendering in 2nd innings by shamelessly getting all out for 146. If you want to play test cricket just for draw at your home ground against a team like Bangladesh, then better stop playing test cricket completely. Fans who still hopes for draw in test matches must stop watching test cricket, those days are long gone now
 
The declaration in the first test match will continue to haunt Pakistan fans for years.

First rule of fight club, you ensure you cannot lose a test match. Then you can try to be fancy.

Are there still any defenders of the declaration
 
Bhaijaan said:
The declaration in the first test match will continue to haunt Pakistan fans for years.

First rule of fight club, you ensure you cannot lose a test match. Then you can try to be fancy.

Are there still any defenders of the declaration
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yep
 
If you can't declare against BD at home after making 450 in 4 day test then you are not going to win many matches.

Bowling poorly and batting poorly after that was issue.
 
Buffet said:
If you can't declare against BD at home after making 450 in 4 day test then you are not going to win many matches.

Bowling poorly and batting poorly after that was issue.
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yea.. Declaratio is not the issue. Conceding 565 is the issue and collapsing after that is even bigger issue.
 
Declaration is not an issue. Batting and bowling and fielding poorly is the issue.
 
This is my personal observations from the match and what I've read on here and other sources, I believe certain player underperformed deliberately wayward (line,length,pace,set plans) so was removed from squad this is an ongoing issue with this player
 
People want blame JG the pitch Naqvi, WY, Misbah, IK, Shan, declaration but the truth of matter is our team is like our politicians a bunch of liars a cheaters who are continually stabbing each other in the back.
Kamran Akmal said LIVE something along the lines of on ARY Sports yesterday " this is not a team these are 11 individuals who are constantly trying to find ways of getting each other out of the team "
 
Shan is gonna make another pathetic declaration today against England????

minimum 600 if they somehow make it.
 
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