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Did the Donald Trump experience prove the disgraceful racism of white Americans?

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I say yes. Trump should have been brutally wiped out. He should never have made it to the WH in the first place. The fact this freakshow lasted for 4 years is disgraceful for such an open society and enlightened nation.

Americans ko doob ke marjana chahiye for electing such a bigot in the WH
 
What it has proved to me is blacks in the US are just if not more racist.

Btw Cubans voted for Trump in Florida and his black vote is up too.

Everyone knows about Trump and his support but people are fooled into the thinking the other side is somehow less racist. If Biden didnt have Harris as running mate, many of those wouldn't have voted for him.
 
What it has proved to me is blacks in the US are just if not more racist.

Btw Cubans voted for Trump in Florida and his black vote is up too.

Everyone knows about Trump and his support but people are fooled into the thinking the other side is somehow less racist. If Biden didnt have Harris as running mate, many of those wouldn't have voted for him.

Why do non-whites vote for Trump? Is it because they agree with his racist views or because they believe in republican values rather than socialism?

Personally I am not even sure Trump is a racist, he is just quite canny in recognising that he can tap into a large chunk of disaffected white voters who are afraid of losing their traditional status at the top of the food chain in America.
 
It's unfair to generalize and label every white American who voted for Trump as racist - there are other reasons for their decision. I posted this in the election thread last night:

Looking at all these counties all over the map leaning Repubican with focused looking white caucasian voters holding Trump placards and posters on TV channels, you have to wonder how all these guys voted for Obama twice in a row??

The electorate just want somebody different - Obama was different to the norm, and Trump was different to the norm.
 
Trump did worse with White Males this election than the last one....so make what you will out of it
 
What it has proved to me is blacks in the US are just if not more racist.

Btw Cubans voted for Trump in Florida and his black vote is up too.

Everyone knows about Trump and his support but people are fooled into the thinking the other side is somehow less racist. If Biden didnt have Harris as running mate, many of those wouldn't have voted for him.

You do realize Cubanos have always been republican and most of them are white - Fully Spaniard descent. Black Cubans are exposed to a lot of racism from white Cubans. Overall the Latino vote went Democratic as expected as Mexicans and central/south Americans are more left wing. Biden would still have won the black vote if harris wasn't chosen as Biden's strengths was his popularity among African-Americans, that's why he won a lot southern state primaries with big Afram communities.
 
I don't think Donald trump is racist, typically as a politician he jumps on the bandwagon and uses effective rhetoric!
 
Why do non-whites vote for Trump? Is it because they agree with his racist views or because they believe in republican values rather than socialism?

Personally I am not even sure Trump is a racist, he is just quite canny in recognising that he can tap into a large chunk of disaffected white voters who are afraid of losing their traditional status at the top of the food chain in America.

It would appear that the GOP has successfully painted Biden as a socialist (nonsense as in the U.K. he would be a One Nation Tory) among working-class Hispanics, many of whom fled far left dictators from South America.
 
It would appear that the GOP has successfully painted Biden as a socialist (nonsense as in the U.K. he would be a One Nation Tory) among working-class Hispanics, many of whom fled far left dictators from South America.

Thats politics in the US, the dems painted Trump as a racist among the left. Trump did more for the blacks than Obama and living conditions improved for hispanics and blacks directly from Trumps policies.
 
Thats politics in the US, the dems painted Trump as a racist among the left. Trump did more for the blacks than Obama and living conditions improved for hispanics and blacks directly from Trumps policies.

I don't think you've ever been here or at least not during the Trump years :))
 
It would appear that the GOP has successfully painted Biden as a socialist (nonsense as in the U.K. he would be a One Nation Tory) among working-class Hispanics, many of whom fled far left dictators from South America.

working class hispanics voted biden, only florida ones dominated by cubans and venezuela went for trump due to their PTSD with socialism.
 
He seems to have tapped into some racism a bit but I think its overstated. Whenever I see interviews of the less well off white trump supporters they seem to really support his economic policies. I think they hope that a businessman in power will bring them some sort of prosperity
 
The economy was the number 1 concern for US voters: C19 was 3rd on the list.

Trump voters voted for him because of his policies, while most Biden voters were protest/moral voters who fell for the radical left propaganda and just wanted to see Trump out. The later also voting on the basis of gender and colour of candidate.

Make no mistake about it, Trumpism has become a phenomenal political force in the USA and this force doesn't care about colour or gender as the results prove.

I will surely miss him as Commander in Chief of the USA!
 
Don't forget, Florida voted blue twice under Obama. Fact of the matter is the Democrats failed to appeal and tap-into the non-white demographic this time round too, and woman voters too. There was no blue wave.

Radical left need to stop treating Trump voters, especially immigrants supporting Trump with contempt, because if there's any racism, it's with democrat voters who voted on the basis of the colour and gender of a candiate, not policies.

Biden years will make Trump's one term look like a summer picnic. Plus democrats noe have less power in the House and Senate. Let this sink in.
 
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Trump did worse with White Males this election than the last one....so make what you will out of it

Which proves Trump didn't increase his vote with the white supremacy demographic. Couple this with the fact he gained more votes among ethnic minorites, I think we can put to bed that Trump and his voters are racist; they're not.
 
Why do non-whites vote for Trump? Is it because they agree with his racist views or because they believe in republican values rather than socialism?

Personally I am not even sure Trump is a racist, he is just quite canny in recognising that he can tap into a large chunk of disaffected white voters who are afraid of losing their traditional status at the top of the food chain in America.

Correct, a lot of people say he's more Democrat than Rep. And actually thought of running as a Democrat numerous times. He probably figured its easier to win as a GOP nominee by tapping into the usual right wing hysteria prevalent nowadays. He wasn't wrong entirely. Still saying that even though he won the election the first time; in terms of the total vote he got less than Clinton. So while a large amount of racist people do support him, a massive amount don't.
 
Actually as compared to 2016, in 2020 Trump saw the largest decline in white male voter group and massive increase in all other ethnic groups.

white female
black female/male
asian female/male
latino female/male
 
The white males and females voted around 50/50 for dems and republicans. It was the blacks and non whites who voted most for dems. So it is them who are communal, not the whites, who get blamed for racism, when the racism is actually elsewhere.
 
Actually as compared to 2016, in 2020 Trump saw the largest decline in white male voter group and massive increase in all other ethnic groups.

white female
black female/male
asian female/male
latino female/male

Unfortunately the OP didn't do his homework this time and opted to regurgitate radical lefty propaganda.

Americans will soon realise just how great Trump was for Amreeka, and world peace.

As they saying goes, you don't know what you got until you lost it.
 
I know it's a radical thought, but maybe people (both black and white) just voted for policies rather than racism? As I said earlier, I don't even think Donald is racist himself, but he's smart enough to know that pandering to racists will get him a fair chunk of votes which might make a difference. But at the end of the day, those same people who were promised jobs and the revival of the rust belt are still waiting, and probably realise they were duped.
 
I know it's a radical thought, but maybe people (both black and white) just voted for policies rather than racism? As I said earlier, I don't even think Donald is racist himself, but he's smart enough to know that pandering to racists will get him a fair chunk of votes which might make a difference. But at the end of the day, those same people who were promised jobs and the revival of the rust belt are still waiting, and probably realise they were duped.

I think he is racist.
Just the mere fact that he has pandered to them shows he's racist.
 
I don't think he cares that much, just thinks if I say this or that it will get votes.

Anyone who disagrees with the radical left is a 'racist'. Same way Brexiteers are deemed racist.

You're right, Trump doesn't care, the radical left do.
 
Anyone who disagrees with the radical left is a 'racist'. Same way Brexiteers are deemed racist.

You're right, Trump doesn't care, the radical left do.

Trump is racist and panders to them at every chance he gets. How we not everyone who voted for him is racist. I have friends who voted for him. Most of them voted for him solely because he is running on the republican platform.
 
I think he is racist.
Just the mere fact that he has pandered to them shows he's racist.

He may well be a racist, but possibly not for this reason alone.

When a politician panders to racists, it does not necessarily make them a racist imo — what it definitely makes them however is a politician.

Politicians the world over have a long history of speaking socialistically to socialists, liberally to liberals and conservatively to conservatives on different days — they will always tailor their pitch to suit each audience appropriately.

Why would politicians then also not speak nativistically to nativists, xenophobically to xenophobes, and racially to racists? It’s conceivable.
 
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He may well be a racist, but possibly not for this reason alone.

When a politician panders to racists, it does not necessarily make them a racist imo — what it definitely makes them however is a politician.

Politicians the world over have a long history of speaking socialistically to socialists, liberally to liberals and conservatively to conservatives on different days — they tailor their pitch to suit each audience appropriately.

Why would politicians then also not speak nativistically to nativists, xenophobic ally to xenophobia and racially to racists? It’s conceivable.

But he was supposed to be the businessman that was going to drain the swamp :)
 
Liberals are in no position to lecture others on democracy when they were unwilling to accept the 2016 wins, and hell-bent to overturn the results.

These people are the real right wing terrorists of society, prepared to surpress our voice and rights while pretending they respect democracy.
 
Fairly damning to be honest, but in all honesty he's just saying publicly what a lot of people think privately. I've seen similar opinions expressed here, particularly from Indian posters, and they are quite vocal Trump supporters mostly.

That’s a brutal article
 
One thing, whatever everyone thinks of him, he said it as he felt.
If people liked his views or not , he was open about them.
There was no hidden agenda, like the previous leaders, (cunning).
 
71 million people voted for Trump -are they all racists?
 
71 million people voted for Trump -are they all racists?

NO

The vast majority are republicans.
Why is this so hard for some to understand.

I voted Conservative even though I don't like Boris Johnson..
Same way many Americans will have voted Republican...
 
Contrary to popular belief, people do vote on the basis of policies, unlike the Democrats and Liberals who this time round voted based on the basis of colour, gender, and hate. Racist, Fascist, and Sexist voters all rolled into one. The Democratic party. No wonder they were the only slave owners in USA.
 
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Man yesterday a Karen got mad at me for not stopping for her

And a few days back a white cop yelled at me for going 30 mph

Screw these racists
 
Why do non-whites vote for Trump? Is it because they agree with his racist views or because they believe in republican values rather than socialism?

Personally I am not even sure Trump is a racist, he is just quite canny in recognising that he can tap into a large chunk of disaffected white voters who are afraid of losing their traditional status at the top of the food chain in America.

this pretty much but by taping into the white nationalist he lost the minority vote .
 
this pretty much but by taping into the white nationalist he lost the minority vote .

I think he also lost quite a chunk of the majority white vote when the economically challenged whites realised a guy who made his name on the art of the deal was never really going to be on their side.
 
In my experience, blacks are equally racist towards whites in United States. There are many incidents but media doesn’t cover them. And no, not all whites are angels and neither all blacks are devils. There is good and bad in both camps

So it sorta evens out when it comes to racism.

Matter of fact, in my 30 years of living in United States, the ONLY TIME I heard a potentially racist term extended to me was from a Blackman. He was sitting in front of me in a Subway in NYC, and all of a sudden said, “you guys should go back to India”. And I replied, “and you should go back to Africa”.

But if we take the racial injustice card out of, then fact of the matter is, whites run this country. And almost always, they treat you right if you play fair by the rules. Their contributions towards planning, building and running this country are enormous.

If blacks take over, USA will become another South Africa.
 
First we need to define racism. What is racism? You believe a particular group of people is better/worse than you based on race,
Or
is it that you are generalizing certain social/behavioral trends with them?


I would say if it’s the latter, racism exists everywhere no matter how hard we try to say it doesn’t. What matters is how you as a person or society come together to negate it... in that regard US is failing. Because there is a lot of systemic “generalization” .. as a brown person with a Muslim name, I got “randomly selected” quite a lot at airports. Is that racism? Blacks do get pulled over a lot for traffic stops. They do get asked a lot of questions cops probably won’t ask me, such as “have you had an alcoholic drink?”

Overall, I say all minorities in the US do see a lot of generalization and stereotyping, and if that accounts to the definition of racism you go with, then yes, US is racist.

But if you want to claim that most Americans believe that you are better or worse as a human being purely because of the color of skin, then I would say no, a vast majority of people probably do not believe that.
 
Why do non-whites vote for Trump? Is it because they agree with his racist views or because they believe in republican values rather than socialism?

Personally I am not even sure Trump is a racist, he is just quite canny in recognising that he can tap into a large chunk of disaffected white voters who are afraid of losing their traditional status at the top of the food chain in America.

Top of the food chain in America are the Jewish Americans. Yes they are mostly white but they are only about 3% of the population.
 
First we need to define racism. What is racism? You believe a particular group of people is better/worse than you based on race,
Or
is it that you are generalizing certain social/behavioral trends with them?


I would say if it’s the latter, racism exists everywhere no matter how hard we try to say it doesn’t. What matters is how you as a person or society come together to negate it... in that regard US is failing. Because there is a lot of systemic “generalization” .. as a brown person with a Muslim name, I got “randomly selected” quite a lot at airports. Is that racism? Blacks do get pulled over a lot for traffic stops. They do get asked a lot of questions cops probably won’t ask me, such as “have you had an alcoholic drink?”

Overall, I say all minorities in the US do see a lot of generalization and stereotyping, and if that accounts to the definition of racism you go with, then yes, US is racist.

But if you want to claim that most Americans believe that you are better or worse as a human being purely because of the color of skin, then I would say no, a vast majority of people probably do not believe that.

Yes, racism could have different meanings to different people.

My experience has been totally the opposite. Never ever was I randomly selected for checking. And even if I had been, I will gladly cooperate with TSA and make everyone’s job easy. There have been incidents where an elderly white lady or a young White male were randomly selected in the same flight as I was, but not me, even with the fact that my first name is Muhammad.

So far as police pulling over blacks and asking additional questions go, in my opinion it’s a mix of two main factors - first, a very, very very small minority of white cops who are racist but secondly, and most importantly, it’s the statistics and data that pushes cops to have a certain behavior towards blacks.

Due to gun violence in the American streets, it’s all a matter of probability. Either the cop dies or he kills. Almost every criminal has a gun in the car.

So when cops chase or pull over a black guy, with the information pulled out against the license plate, they perhaps also operate on probabilities.

When a total of 9% of certain race is responsible for 80% crime in the country, and that certain 9% race is also responsible for 50% of homicides in the country then any human brain will develop a certain stereotyping towards that race.

Does racism exist in America? You bet it does!
But those who complain the most about it, must also own it up.

Why don’t Indians Pakistanis, Chinese, Arabs, Latino Americans etc, complain so much about racism? Look at their crime statistics and look at their contribution towards paying taxes and working hard to make an honest living.

I still believe that American police with all its flaws and short comings, is quite darn good.
You dial 911 and they are at your service within minutes. Hats off to our police officers. If you are a criminal, you shouldn’t have a prob with them. In almost all cases in general, you cooperate and it makes everyone’s life easy. It’s as simple as that.

And USA as country, IMO, is still one of the best in the world. There may be racism and politics on higher level. And we have our growing pains like every other country, but for general public, there is an abundance of opportunities.

It doesn’t matter who you are, what’s your skin color or what’s your religion.
You can get education of your choice, you can start a business, and you can live a pretty good life because “where there is a will, there is a way”, stands true in USA.
If this wasn’t been the case, we or our parents would’ve not moved here, and would happily live in Pakistan or India.
 
Its not like non whites generalize about whites is it.

They sure do.
For many South Asians, a white female as a wife or girlfriend is a trophy.
I’ve hardly ever seen a desi guy dating or marrying a black girl.
 
Everybody generalizes, is my point. And the victims are also every race including whites.
But I do want to point out that blacks are a very unique case here.
Yes while we may argue that USA is the land of opportunity and all other minorities who immigrate here end up doing better than American blacks, it’s not really reflective on them as being “lazy” or “corrupt”.

Because there is a whole different dynamic here that most people don’t fully comprehend. These are people who were brought here centuries ago, subjugated to below human living conditions, were literally “bred” for heavy duty work, and they were not given full rights as late as the 60s. The sort of extraordinary and unique and deplorable circumstances they were subjected to have resulted in quite a feel of them not possessing the familial/cultural/societal values we take for granted. A lot of them grow up without a nuclear family system (no fathers), they live in inner city low income areas which have lower quality schools so it is always an uphill battle for them to move up. Their are genetically and socially predisposed to alcoholism, disease and drug use. The way education is emphasized in asian or other cultures, most of them don’t have that.. so they don’t even realize much that they can actually break the shackles just if they study hard.

All these things and the promise of a better future through crime for most of them who are disenfranchised through below par living conditions and the impression that this is their only way out makes them more prone to a life of crime.

America as a whole has in a way failed them. Now you may say but a lot of them end up making great lives for themselves and I am not denying that. Hard work will always win but a vast majority of them face an uphill struggle due to circumstances.

And the disproportionate incidents of police killings are indicative of some bias there which is not entirely unjustified, I accept that. But if you take a holistic view, you would realize that the country can do better than it has for them.

For all others, I think it’s a fair place, latinos, Jews, Muslims, hindus, Europeans, Far East Asians, Africans, etc, all have a good shot and making good lives for themselves here, and most do.
 
Everybody generalizes, is my point. And the victims are also every race including whites.
But I do want to point out that blacks are a very unique case here.
Yes while we may argue that USA is the land of opportunity and all other minorities who immigrate here end up doing better than American blacks, it’s not really reflective on them as being “lazy” or “corrupt”.

Because there is a whole different dynamic here that most people don’t fully comprehend. These are people who were brought here centuries ago, subjugated to below human living conditions, were literally “bred” for heavy duty work, and they were not given full rights as late as the 60s. The sort of extraordinary and unique and deplorable circumstances they were subjected to have resulted in quite a feel of them not possessing the familial/cultural/societal values we take for granted. A lot of them grow up without a nuclear family system (no fathers), they live in inner city low income areas which have lower quality schools so it is always an uphill battle for them to move up. Their are genetically and socially predisposed to alcoholism, disease and drug use. The way education is emphasized in asian or other cultures, most of them don’t have that.. so they don’t even realize much that they can actually break the shackles just if they study hard.

All these things and the promise of a better future through crime for most of them who are disenfranchised through below par living conditions and the impression that this is their only way out makes them more prone to a life of crime.

America as a whole has in a way failed them. Now you may say but a lot of them end up making great lives for themselves and I am not denying that. Hard work will always win but a vast majority of them face an uphill struggle due to circumstances.

And the disproportionate incidents of police killings are indicative of some bias there which is not entirely unjustified, I accept that. But if you take a holistic view, you would realize that the country can do better than it has for them.

For all others, I think it’s a fair place, latinos, Jews, Muslims, hindus, Europeans, Far East Asians, Africans, etc, all have a good shot and making good lives for themselves here, and most do.

Nothing to disagree here.
However, what’s the solution?

We are already punishing the tax payer and rewarding the lazy.
City Section 8 housing and food stamps recipients are mostly blacks (and many whites too in the rural areas).

Govt has already established school in all cities where each school going kid costs about $40,000 a year to American govt and the tax payers. Blacks even have seats reserved under minority quota in all Ivy League schools, including Yale and Harvard.

The point is, it takes two to tango.

If he can wear brand name sports attire, gold silver chains, and new nike shows and play basketball all day then he can also find work, and pay taxes.

If black communities are not ready to help themselves then no one else will, not even the God as it is promised in the Quran.
 
I think Trump is as racist as the average 70-something old man. He's not some supreme fascist that he's painted to be by some. Richard Spencer himself said that Trump isn't good for a white supremacist/ethnostate ideology, but could be used as a gateway.

However, he wanted to start a war with Iran despite campaigning as an anti-war president, said he was going to stop outsourcing but didn't, and claimed that we'd leave Afghanistan but then back tracked and said 5000 troops will remain. He hasn't made good on his promises at all. That being said, the only positive of Biden is re-joining the Paris Climate Agreement and the Iran Deal.
 
Donald Trump has definitely energized and strengthened the white supremacy movement. He has made far-right stronger.

Having said that, tide is now turning a bit. Far-right is on the back foot.
 
Nothing to disagree here.
However, what’s the solution?

We are already punishing the tax payer and rewarding the lazy.
City Section 8 housing and food stamps recipients are mostly blacks (and many whites too in the rural areas).

Govt has already established school in all cities where each school going kid costs about $40,000 a year to American govt and the tax payers. Blacks even have seats reserved under minority quota in all Ivy League schools, including Yale and Harvard.

The point is, it takes two to tango.

If he can wear brand name sports attire, gold silver chains, and new nike shows and play basketball all day then he can also find work, and pay taxes.

If black communities are not ready to help themselves then no one else will, not even the God as it is promised in the Quran.

I wasn’t proposing a solution. I was explaining racism and the reasons behind reverse racism as so many here seemed intent to prove it exists in the USA.

The solution would be for one, for society as a collective address some of these grievances. Whites in America came here in 1607.. they colonized America when the land was as far and wide as their eyes could see and they simply had to go plant their foot and claim as much they wanted in their name. They have hundreds of years of prosperity over their black compatriots who got equal rights in the country barely 60 years ago.

Hope that put things in perspective for you. It will take time for them to catch up.
 
Texan liberals were calling the state Blue. How wrong they were.

When the indigenous and locals have no clue, how the hell can they claim Trump is a racist?
 
Texas will go blue come next election. If you cant see trump panders to the far right , you need your eyes checked.
 
I wasn’t proposing a solution. I was explaining racism and the reasons behind reverse racism as so many here seemed intent to prove it exists in the USA.

The solution would be for one, for society as a collective address some of these grievances. Whites in America came here in 1607.. they colonized America when the land was as far and wide as their eyes could see and they simply had to go plant their foot and claim as much they wanted in their name. They have hundreds of years of prosperity over their black compatriots who got equal rights in the country barely 60 years ago.

Hope that put things in perspective for you. It will take time for them to catch up.

As I said, there was nothing in your previous post to disagree with it.

What's next, is the question.
And I guess you already answered it; however, I don't fully agree with it.

No one knows what the future holds and I could be totally off base here, but in my opinion, they will probably won't catch up. Not even close.

The reason in my opinion (and again, I could be wrong), a vast majority in Americans blacks, simply doesn't seem to have a strong intent to "catch up".

And as a society, you would be hard pressed to force a certain community to form an certain intent. Spoon feeding hasn't paid off, and it won't if there is no intent from the other side. As I said, it takes two to tango.

I think from the modern history, it looks like Rwanda is one of the few exceptions where they actually caught up on a few things. And I strongly hope that it serves as a beacon and a great incentive for rest of the black communities all over the world.
 
As I said, there was nothing in your previous post to disagree with it.

What's next, is the question.
And I guess you already answered it; however, I don't fully agree with it.

No one knows what the future holds and I could be totally off base here, but in my opinion, they will probably won't catch up. Not even close.

The reason in my opinion (and again, I could be wrong), a vast majority in Americans blacks, simply doesn't seem to have a strong intent to "catch up".

And as a society, you would be hard pressed to force a certain community to form an certain intent. Spoon feeding hasn't paid off, and it won't if there is no intent from the other side. As I said, it takes two to tango.

I think from the modern history, it looks like Rwanda is one of the few exceptions where they actually caught up on a few things. And I strongly hope that it serves as a beacon and a great incentive for rest of the black communities all over the world.

Whether they catch up or not is not the question. The question is whether the overall society can align itself to give them the best shot at it?
You have mentioned spoon feeding and I’m guessing you are alluding to affirmative action and welfare benefits.

I can personally tell you from experience there are bigger abusers of welfare benefits in America belonging to white/Latino/south Asian/Asian communities.
 
Trump is not racist although he comes across as one. Trump policies have a nationalist agenda and it strikes well with right wing voters.

his policies like Muslim ban from Syria, Libya etc,
prevent immigration from Mexico, China trade wars were all to protect his country America

It’s also a fact that black community poverty levels and unemployment levels was lowest under trump, although it was on a downward trend.

black crimes and police shooting was happening in Obama rule too.

but intimately his handling of coronavirus and with a maverick attitude sealed the deal for him and nothing else.
 
Yes they voted for Obama twice but this white lady.... she’s the problem for racists
 
Trump is not racist although he comes across as one. Trump policies have a nationalist agenda and it strikes well with right wing voters.

his policies like Muslim ban from Syria, Libya etc,
prevent immigration from Mexico, China trade wars were all to protect his country America

It’s also a fact that black community poverty levels and unemployment levels was lowest under trump, although it was on a downward trend.

black crimes and police shooting was happening in Obama rule too.

but intimately his handling of coronavirus and with a maverick attitude sealed the deal for him and nothing else.

So he panders to them but is not racist?
Surely that's equally bad?
 
Trump is not racist although he comes across as one. Trump policies have a nationalist agenda and it strikes well with right wing voters.

his policies like Muslim ban from Syria, Libya etc,
prevent immigration from Mexico, China trade wars were all to protect his country America

It’s also a fact that black community poverty levels and unemployment levels was lowest under trump, although it was on a downward trend.

black crimes and police shooting was happening in Obama rule too.

but intimately his handling of coronavirus and with a maverick attitude sealed the deal for him and nothing else.

You have to be very very naive to believe that. It’s a case of whether the chicken came first or the egg. Did people support trump because of what he said and tried to do or did he say and try to do what he knew some people wanted?

I think it’s the latter. And what do you mean protect? Are the mexican or muslim immigrants the ones arming up and going around surrounding government buildings? Who has the more anti government mentality right now and over the last year or so due to the pandemic. I half expected a white group to overthrow a state government due to their radical beliefs.

Don’t buy whatever it is they sell you, man. Immigrants work hard and make this country run. They pay taxes. They “value” being in America. There are so many Muslim and Arab professors in US universities teaching now.
The only reason there is an agenda for immigrants to be blocked is because the GOP spread that fear they will vote for Dems. And now they have radicalized the alt right whites against them. They actually use the logic that it’s Dems who want them for votes but it’s actually the al right media like Foxnews and such who started this campaign first.

These immigrants are not taking any jobs from Americans. Most of them are highly qualified individuals and the ones that are not, are not enough in numbers to threaten the huge white majority any time soon.

Trump just catered to an audience that was already there and he dialed it upto a hundred. They lapped it all up. I don’t think he did any of that through sincerity or conviction of beliefs. He just wanted power and attention. He likes illegal latinos. Because he can get them to work at his Florida golf courses for peanutsZ haha
 
Exact same reason people vote for PPP and N-league, in all these red states its about Job Security and whatever is fed by Fox News and right-wing pundits.
Trump is not a God's man but totally opposite but evangelicals are brainwashed into believing he is the best thing after Lincoln.
You have to fill their shoes in order to know it has a lot to do with the environment, a liberal sitting in Nyc sipping Latte won't understand this or some Khan dude with his Oversimplified ideas. Obviously, everyone is racist but they are not open about it but this Trump Presidency did was to normalize all these ideas and people got crazy about it.
A lot of swing state have decent people who did vote for Trump in 2016 because they thought its the best option and they regretted it hence the Blue Tsunami in 2020.
 
We must remember, when Obama was voted, twice, the Democrats claimed those who didn't vote for Obama were racists.
 
Whether they catch up or not is not the question. The question is whether the overall society can align itself to give them the best shot at it?
You have mentioned spoon feeding and I’m guessing you are alluding to affirmative action and welfare benefits.

I can personally tell you from experience there are bigger abusers of welfare benefits in America belonging to white/Latino/south Asian/Asian communities
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How? By doing what?
 
You have to be very very naive to believe that. It’s a case of whether the chicken came first or the egg. Did people support trump because of what he said and tried to do or did he say and try to do what he knew some people wanted?

I think it’s the latter. And what do you mean protect? Are the mexican or muslim immigrants the ones arming up and going around surrounding government buildings? Who has the more anti government mentality right now and over the last year or so due to the pandemic. I half expected a white group to overthrow a state government due to their radical beliefs.

Don’t buy whatever it is they sell you, man. Immigrants work hard and make this country run. They pay taxes. They “value” being in America. There are so many Muslim and Arab professors in US universities teaching now.
The only reason there is an agenda for immigrants to be blocked is because the GOP spread that fear they will vote for Dems. And now they have radicalized the alt right whites against them. They actually use the logic that it’s Dems who want them for votes but it’s actually the al right media like Foxnews and such who started this campaign first.

These immigrants are not taking any jobs from Americans. Most of them are highly qualified individuals and the ones that are not, are not enough in numbers to threaten the huge white majority any time soon.

Trump just catered to an audience that was already there and he dialed it upto a hundred. They lapped it all up. I don’t think he did any of that through sincerity or conviction of beliefs. He just wanted power and attention. He likes illegal latinos. Because he can get them to work at his Florida golf courses for peanutsZ haha

I think everyone understands the importance of immigration for America economy. We are not even talking about highly skilled labour like from India and other countries, but those immigration which leeches on tax payer money. Anyway immigration should not be considered like a right, it’s solely the prerogative of American government and people to give that rights to others. there is no doubt drug trafficking and extremism by religion should be nipped in bud which unfortunately is happening through immigration.
it’s not like a land slide majority for opposition.
Trump would have easily won elections if it was not for coronavirus.
 
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