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As a neutral, I definitely miss it.
It has been around 16 years since last Pak-Ind Test.
It has been around 16 years since last Pak-Ind Test.
I miss the ODI series more than the Tests.
Indo-Pak Tests, bar a small handful of matches, have been extremely dull contests. There was so much fear of losing that boards would prepare hideously flat pitches.
Thankfully the Karachi Test was memorable but the first two Tests of the 2006 series in Pakistan were a total waste of time and if ICC demerit points were around we would've been penalised. The only thing I remember was Afridi bowling pace
Indo-Pak Tests, bar a small handful of matches, have been extremely dull contests. There was so much fear of losing that boards would prepare hideously flat pitches.
Thankfully the Karachi Test was memorable but the first two Tests of the 2006 series in Pakistan were a total waste of time and if ICC demerit points were around we would've been penalised. The only thing I remember was Afridi bowling pace
I miss the ODI series more than the Tests.
Indo-Pak Tests, bar a small handful of matches, have been extremely dull contests. There was so much fear of losing that boards would prepare hideously flat pitches.
Thankfully the Karachi Test was memorable but the first two Tests of the 2006 series in Pakistan were a total waste of time and if ICC demerit points were around we would've been penalised. The only thing I remember was Afridi bowling pace
Afridi bowling pace, Sohail Tanvir bowling spin
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I miss the ODI series more and don't have much interest in a test series between these two sides.
However, a series during the Misbah-YK Pak era Vs the Indian team of that time would have been a tantalising prospect.
However, a series during the Misbah-YK Pak era Vs the Indian team of that time would have been a tantalising prospect.
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I do. I thought the 1999 test series (including Asian test championship match) was one of the best I had seen. The 2004 one is so nostalgic, I still remember how my friends used to skip college to watch it live on TV.
2005 series was another brilliant one
2006 the one in which Irfan pathan took a hatrick and then Pak still won the match was one for the ages... I remember Mohammad Asif announced himself to international stage in that match.
2007 - was a little one sided but it was fun too.
Can't remember any series between the sides which was boring. Only 2007 probably comes a little close.
2005 series was another brilliant one
2006 the one in which Irfan pathan took a hatrick and then Pak still won the match was one for the ages... I remember Mohammad Asif announced himself to international stage in that match.
2007 - was a little one sided but it was fun too.
Can't remember any series between the sides which was boring. Only 2007 probably comes a little close.
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I think a Pak vs India series played in Pakistan or India will always be massive if the tracks are sporting and result oriented. No UAE or netural venue crap (unless its England)
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It is to Pakistan's advantage that they haven't played India in test matches for the last 16 years. India would have decimated Pakistan.
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It is interesting to know that Pakistan have often punched above their weight when they have played against India in a test series. In 2005 Pakistan had a bowling attack where they had to open with Abdul Razzak and Mohammad Sami and yet they had drawn the series 1-1. So we can't really say unless we see.
In fact under Misbah ul Haq Pakistan did win some big series' and at one point became the No. 1 test team in the world, albeit it was short lived.
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Form and rankings go out the window when we are talking Pakistan vs India.
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Test Series?
No.
There used to be a good contest.
You had the true rivalry of
Imran vs Gawaskar
Miandad vs Kapil
Later you Inzi vs many Indian bowlers
And then Tendulkar, Dravid vs Wasim Waqar .... those were the days.
These days, this Test Indian team would probably eat the current Pak team alive. There is no contest.
I think T20 is better as both teams are equally good with Pak having the upper hand in bowling, and India has the upper hand in batting.
No.
There used to be a good contest.
You had the true rivalry of
Imran vs Gawaskar
Miandad vs Kapil
Later you Inzi vs many Indian bowlers
And then Tendulkar, Dravid vs Wasim Waqar .... those were the days.
These days, this Test Indian team would probably eat the current Pak team alive. There is no contest.
I think T20 is better as both teams are equally good with Pak having the upper hand in bowling, and India has the upper hand in batting.
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India protecting its overblown ego. Better off playing more regularly with Afghanistan and strengthening strategic ties essential to Pakistan's existence
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pak doesnt take test cricket seriously enough, ind would hammer pak in india, and likely win a close contest with lots of draws in Pakistan.
if pak actually took it seriously, then id love to see a pak ind test series. but i think that ships sailed.
if pak actually took it seriously, then id love to see a pak ind test series. but i think that ships sailed.
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As I always like to say, Pakistan vs Afghanistan is the hottest sporting rivalry in Asia right now.
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Yes I do. We still get a few ODIs and t20is here and there but test series I miss so much. A Misbah era Pak and Dhoni/Kohli era India in tests would have made for great series.
It's a shame both 2006 and 2007 series were marred by such rubbish pitches.
Atm, Pak test team is extremely weak and I don't want to see them get taken to cleaners.
It's a shame both 2006 and 2007 series were marred by such rubbish pitches.
Atm, Pak test team is extremely weak and I don't want to see them get taken to cleaners.
i know you are trolling, but if Afhganistan had a developed economy and Pakistan decided to play more games and do better marketing against Afghanistan, its a rivalry that has alot of potential
ah yes, a misbah reverse sweep on ashwin. WOuld had been great to watch, both teams using their spin capabilities on spinning wickets trying to win get a result on the fifth day
ah yes, a misbah reverse sweep on ashwin. WOuld had been great to watch, both teams using their spin capabilities on spinning wickets trying to win get a result on the fifth day
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Both of you are wrong here. Anyone who has watched enough India vs Pakistan cricket would know that both teams would start the match at 50-50. The pressure and expectations of the match can really bring the other team down on a particular day. Playing against a foreign team at home and then playing against a team who knows the conditions well is different.
Indian fans thought we would easily win the 2005 series just like Pakistani fans thought they would win the 2004 series. We drew the series in 2005 and won in 2004. When it comes to India vs Pakistan, always expect the unexpected. Afterall, its the El Classico of cricket.
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Lol. What a load of cliched tripe as usual!!
Better teams usually come out on top no matter what the pressure or expectations are. And that's the reason Pakistan had a superior record of 33-20 against India in the 90s up until the early 00s. Because they were the better team on paper. And same with India who surged ahead of Pakistan after Dhoni took over in 2007 (25-12 in India's favour since that).
If indeed it was 50-50 as you say, you wouldn't see such discrepancy in win-loss ratios. Basic common sense...
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Definitely.
Electrifying atmosphere,high voltage matches.
I do contrary to those who are saying that India would have won easily.
Rather the team under Misbah with Younis ,Ajmal would have given India a nightmare in tests .
Electrifying atmosphere,high voltage matches.
I do contrary to those who are saying that India would have won easily.
Rather the team under Misbah with Younis ,Ajmal would have given India a nightmare in tests .
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Coming to the topic..
India-Pakistan tests would be exciting only in SENA conditions.. especially England or South Africa which offer consistent help to seamers..
In India, on turning tracks, Pakistan will get murdered and on dead Pakistani tracks, it will lead to a lot of boring draws with India maybe inching one odd game. The less said about the UAE the better..
But yes...it is sad that a lot of modern fans are deprived of this contest entirely. Really wished Pakistan would make it to the WTC final but they bottled it royally.
India-Pakistan tests would be exciting only in SENA conditions.. especially England or South Africa which offer consistent help to seamers..
In India, on turning tracks, Pakistan will get murdered and on dead Pakistani tracks, it will lead to a lot of boring draws with India maybe inching one odd game. The less said about the UAE the better..
But yes...it is sad that a lot of modern fans are deprived of this contest entirely. Really wished Pakistan would make it to the WTC final but they bottled it royally.
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Yes there was this little window in 2011-12 where we were one of the worst test sides going around filled with washed up oldies and young guys who haven't yet found their feet yet. Had Pakistan played a test series on that "Aane do" tour , they would have smashed us comfortably.
I mean ICC ensured that this match happens in WTC Finals by giving Pakistan team the easiest route. But who would have thought they would get whitewash at home? Even BD don't get whitewash at home in test cricket.
I don't miss Ind-Pak test cricket at all as it will be one sided affair. India is a far superior test team and it unfortunately wont be much of a context.
Pakistani batsman dont have technique to survive against Ashwin/Jadeja in rank turners in India and neither have proper spinners to take advantage of those turning tracks. And if the matches take place in flat decks of Pakistan, Indian batters would simply pile up runs and the result would either be a boring draw or India win. The only way Pak can have bit of a chance if they create green wicket but its not possible in sub continent due to weather. But even if they serve green wicket say hypothetically, likes of Shaheen & Naseem can trouble our batsmen but Shami/Siraj/Bumrah would do the same.
I genuinely think there is nothing Pakistan test team can offer that will beat mighty India. So thats why I don't miss test matches with them as India's real test rivals are England and Australia.
I do miss white ball cricket against Pakistan though...as the gap between two sides are much narrower.
#FACTS
I don't miss Ind-Pak test cricket at all as it will be one sided affair. India is a far superior test team and it unfortunately wont be much of a context.
Pakistani batsman dont have technique to survive against Ashwin/Jadeja in rank turners in India and neither have proper spinners to take advantage of those turning tracks. And if the matches take place in flat decks of Pakistan, Indian batters would simply pile up runs and the result would either be a boring draw or India win. The only way Pak can have bit of a chance if they create green wicket but its not possible in sub continent due to weather. But even if they serve green wicket say hypothetically, likes of Shaheen & Naseem can trouble our batsmen but Shami/Siraj/Bumrah would do the same.
I genuinely think there is nothing Pakistan test team can offer that will beat mighty India. So thats why I don't miss test matches with them as India's real test rivals are England and Australia.
I do miss white ball cricket against Pakistan though...as the gap between two sides are much narrower.
#FACTS
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Lol. What a load of cliched tripe as usual!!
Better teams usually come out on top no matter what the pressure or expectations are. And that's the reason Pakistan had a superior record of 33-20 against India in the 90s up until the early 00s. Because they were the better team on paper. And same with India who surged ahead of Pakistan after Dhoni took over in 2007 (25-12 in India's favour since that).
If indeed it was 50-50 as you say, you wouldn't see such discrepancy in win-loss ratios. Basic common sense...
Your lack of experience watching Indo Pak cricket is clearly showing. You won't understand these things. Just stick to that Pyjama League. You lost all the credibility when you said 'IPL teams can easily beat Asian T20 teams'. I don't take you seriously here. Get away.
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The ones who keep downplaying the India vs Pakistan rivalry are usually the first ones to get hurt when India lose any match against Pakistan. They stop logging in to this site for couple of days. And then there are some who are loudmouth, talk big before the match but run away when the going gets tough. This guy [MENTION=151350]Mesozoic[/MENTION] is one of them. Funny guy.
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Your lack of experience watching Indo Pak cricket is clearly showing. You won't understand these things. Just stick to that Pyjama League. You lost all the credibility when you said 'IPL teams can easily beat Asian T20 teams'. I don't take you seriously here. Get away.
As expected...
Running away from the discussion when facts are thrown into the face. Your predictability is as boring as the bald guy's face you use as a mask.
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The ones who keep downplaying the India vs Pakistan rivalry are usually the first ones to get hurt when India lose any match against Pakistan. They stop logging in to this site for couple of days. And then there are some who are loudmouth, talk big before the match but run away when the going gets tough. This guy [MENTION=151350]Mesozoic[/MENTION] is one of them. Funny guy.
Okay. Out of your system now?
Now that you're done being triggered, try to prove my point wrong without throwing your toys out of the pram. Can you do that? Just once?
Both of you are wrong here. Anyone who has watched enough India vs Pakistan cricket would know that both teams would start the match at 50-50. The pressure and expectations of the match can really bring the other team down on a particular day. Playing against a foreign team at home and then playing against a team who knows the conditions well is different.
Indian fans thought we would easily win the 2005 series just like Pakistani fans thought they would win the 2004 series. We drew the series in 2005 and won in 2004. When it comes to India vs Pakistan, always expect the unexpected. Afterall, its the El Classico of cricket.
Thanks for the double confirmation ... now its certain that India would beat the living daylight out of Pakistani in tests. Good to know
Have you read some of the comments here from your fellow countrymen? Ego/Political views exist from both sides, as much as you would like to deny. Personally, I just want to see the cricket. Politics/ego serves me nothing when I am not getting what I love to see.
um again no, issue is from india sie
I agree. Some comments about the test series' usually being boring was true pre 2000 but the last few test series' that the two sides played were a great watch with some great crowds as well.
Sadly, with the political situation in India and risk of violence it's unlikely we will see Pak/India in a test series in India or Pakistan.
A neutral venue would be a great idea but with the political nonsense at the top in the UK England is out of the running. Australia or maybe even SA but it just seems that there isn't much appetite from the BCCI, who won't play Pakistan unless its forced on them i.e. an international tournament.
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It would be a horrible series especially if played on those terrible Pakistani pitches. 1999 was a good series, including the ATC match. The 2000's series were massive run fests.
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As per media reports, Zaka Ashraf wants to revive the Jinnah-Gandhi series concept!
Good luck to him, it simply ain't happening.
Good luck to him, it simply ain't happening.
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A India - Pakistan 4 Test series every year on proper pitches will boost Test cricket.
I seriously doubt it. If there ever is a test series between the two in India, maybe 15k may show up on couple of days of a test. If the series is in Pakistan, 15 people will show up.
I see no boost happening.
You hvent really been following games of pakistan in pakistan.
Pindi stadium had a fule crowd for the test series against australia and england. If india shows up the stadium will be sold out in test.
Had you mentioned Karachi only, than i would had agreed with you because there no one shows up. But im punjab, and especially places like pindi and multan you get crowds
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It is a bigger loss for Pakistan, but I am sure Indians also missed out on entertainment.
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It will boost , If India and Pakistan play , it will bring in crowd , the pitches need to be sporting , I am sure will produce very close and entertaining games.
I do not know about Pindi. So perhaps people will show up. But given PCB being PCB, they would schedule all matches in Karachi!
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india played pakistan when they didnt have ipl money, now its only a gain for PCB so why would bcci bother, a biannual on good pitches would be great, but history tells us it'd more than likely be boring cricket, and given the unlikelihood of it happening, not really fussed.
would be ironic if in historical context india refused to play Pakistan during the period they had the largest skills superiority over pak though.
would be ironic if in historical context india refused to play Pakistan during the period they had the largest skills superiority over pak though.
The only good quality watchable test series between India and Pak was the 1999 series wherein there was bat ball balance and also good competition.
Otherwise 2004 series was competitive from series POV but featured 3 blowout tests. Rest of 2000s series characterized by flat pitches, big scores and fairly boring cricket.
India Pakistan bangers have always been ODI series and one off games
Otherwise 2004 series was competitive from series POV but featured 3 blowout tests. Rest of 2000s series characterized by flat pitches, big scores and fairly boring cricket.
India Pakistan bangers have always been ODI series and one off games
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Virat Kohli on the Pakistan India rivalry in an interview:
"I wouldn't run away from the fact that the atmosphere on the outside is very, very different from other games. It's what created on the outside that you can't really ignore. As a player when you step on to the field it's any other game for you. The environment on the outside can pull you in. That's for you to enjoy and get excited about. Then it's usual business,"
"I wouldn't run away from the fact that the atmosphere on the outside is very, very different from other games. It's what created on the outside that you can't really ignore. As a player when you step on to the field it's any other game for you. The environment on the outside can pull you in. That's for you to enjoy and get excited about. Then it's usual business,"
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Sourav Ganguly on the India Pakistan rivalry
"There is a lot of hype in this match but the quality has not been that good for a long time because India kept on winning
one-sided. Pakistan probably defeated India for the first time in the T20 World Cup in Dubai,"
"There is a lot of hype in this match but the quality has not been that good for a long time because India kept on winning
one-sided. Pakistan probably defeated India for the first time in the T20 World Cup in Dubai,"
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I definitely miss it as a neutral. It used to be very good.
If they play now, Pakistan may win.
If they play now, Pakistan may win.
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I miss India Pak tests series hugely. It’s a chunk of my life as cricket fan that feels like a blank from 2007 on.
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Interesting. What did I miss here? That is to say, who?
No. It is no longer fun to watch as a fan. Its become hugely politicised and thus very toxic. Forums become toxic troll-fest and ling measuring contests. The cricketers dont care one iota, the fans however treat it like life-death contest where the family lineage is at stake.
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It won't even be competitive at this point
T20 is the best format for the rivalry because PAK actually has a chance to win a T20 series against India.
T20 is the best format for the rivalry because PAK actually has a chance to win a T20 series against India.
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No.
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India’s so called test reputation would be in the gutter after repeated ownage from Babar, Haris and Abrar. Perhaps Sharjeel too if played on road. Kohli would’ve retired already too.
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Pak would be in with a shout in a bilateral ODI series too.
Tests you are right won't be competitive. Our test match bowling has been very poor for a long time.
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After the Asia Cup and World Cup, I'm not so sure.
India should be favourites even in an ODI bilateral series. Pakistan's bowling attack went missing for the first 30 overs and could neither pick wickets nor control the run rate in the World Cup.
The batting is steady but can't really accelerate at will.
Dude… Pleaseeee.. STOP right there!
India are way ahead in all facets, lets accept that.
Nothing new, everyone can see the sorry state of Pakistan and by default the sports infrastructure. They are doing not bad considering the conditions they are under.
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Not really. It would be exciting but I don’t miss it. We need to end this desperation of wanting to play with India, restore ties and the like when their government is clearly not interested and is actively involved in destabilising Pakistan.
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India Pakistan test matches used to be full draws most of the time and even desi didn't really care for them.
The bilateral odi series were the real blockbusters
The bilateral odi series were the real blockbusters
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You’re telling me Sharjeel wouldn’t be 300* at least twice in the series Vs Indian trundlers and pie chuckers.
Yeah ok.
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Sharjeel may eat 300 pies in between sessions but no I don't think he will hit even 30.
how can you come to such a conclusion without any test cricket being played between the two during the last 16 years?
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Indian fans (especially non-punjabis) generally depict special needs when it comes to discussing sport, they can’t keep politics out of it and disappear when they receive a good hiding. So the banter has declined due to the sub-human mannerisms on their part, so no, it’s not a big deal like it would have been in the naughties. Plus it would be rather boring watching the tiny people get pulverised repeatedly by Pakistan.
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Like I said special needs and down syndrome needs more awareness in India, real problem.
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Small sport, becomes even smaller with this nonsense. Should be a neutral venue if needs be but Pakistan has made enough overtures to India. I think enough is enough.
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Spike Dudley's with Tourette's should look in the mirror first
Over the years I have witnessed you turn into Eugene
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Over the years I have witnessed you turn into Eugene
Randy Orton.
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You don't have a bowling attack that can take 20 wickets cheaply either in Pakistani or Indian conditions .
Of course I miss it.
There’s nothing quite like those series between India and Pakistan. Even the matches in tournaments, like the match coming up in New York does not have nearly the same atmosphere as one in either Pakistan or India.
Although I must admit I didn’t like the atmosphere in the 2023 WC. It felt like more of a political atmosphere and situation than one of a cricket rivalry.
There’s nothing quite like those series between India and Pakistan. Even the matches in tournaments, like the match coming up in New York does not have nearly the same atmosphere as one in either Pakistan or India.
Although I must admit I didn’t like the atmosphere in the 2023 WC. It felt like more of a political atmosphere and situation than one of a cricket rivalry.
again, how can you make such a comment when the last time both nations played against each other in a test was 16 years ago?
I remember such comments and than Anay dou happened, and we all know the result of that series
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Just like the comments you made before Asia Cup and the World Cup about having the better pace attack and what not .
India haven't been played Zimbabwe in a Test in 19 years either I think.
Doesn't mean I can't predict that it's not going to be competitive
Did i ever said that we will beat xyz and it wont be competitive?
For a team not winning any icc trophies in last 10 years, be it test, odi or t20, its better to humble down.
Last time in 2017 same dumb comments were made giving examples of the group match and what not. Yet what happened in the final was so bad that till this day Indian couldn't take revenge for it.
Like I said, after what happened in Anay dou and 2017 or not having won an ICC trophy in the 10 years, humble down.
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