Do Indians support India's role in attacks in Pakistan?

[KingKhanWC]

It's common knowledge now India is supporting attacks in Pakistan.

However I didn't think Indians would support this but we have such comments.

Fair game I suppose if the news is indeed true. Pakistan routinely carries out terrorist attacks in India, so it's perfectly reasonable to be paid back in the same coin.

Not that Pakistani narrative is to be taken seriously, but even if true, I actually like India's approach for a change. Helping separatist movements worked for Pakistan in Kashmir, and could well help our "efforts" in Balochistan.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...rorist-group-busted-in-Hyderabad-police-claim

Personally I dont wish Pakistan to use forces to attack civilians in India. Since Kashmiri's in IOK have been persecuted and oppressed, I'm ok with Pakistan helping them but nothing more.

I hope all Indians comment and we will see most do not wish such attacks by India in Pakistan, otherwise why would they want to communicate with Pakistani's at all?

 

[troodon]

I do not support India attacking any country or supporting any terror unit in foreign countries.

Pakistani police claiming Indian hand behind attacks is not an evidence for me. Indian state police arrests several ISI agents every year. Ammunition, explosives, handsets are seized. Pakistanis would not believe if we post such stories here.

So same with Indian PP'ers. We do not believe what Pak police say. Has any of Indian Government officials agreed that Indian spies or agents are doing attacks in Pakistan? I don't think so.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I do not support India attacking any country or supporting any terror unit in foreign countries.

Pakistani police claiming Indian hand behind attacks is not an evidence for me. Indian state police arrests several ISI agents every year. Ammunition, explosives, handsets are seized. Pakistanis would not believe if we post such stories here.

So same with Indian PP'ers. We do not believe what Pak police say. Has any of Indian Government officials agreed that Indian spies or agents are doing attacks in Pakistan? I don't think so.

Good on you. But it seems like others dont feel this way.

The Indian media accepted Jhadav is an Indian spy and he has split the beans.

 

[Rafa]

Deep down most of them do with pride but only a few would admit about it on a Pakistani forum.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Deep down most of them do with pride but only a few would admit about it on a Pakistani forum.

Agree with this. I doubt the intentions of those who say otherwise.

 

[troodon]

Good on you. But it seems like others dont feel this way.

The Indian media accepted Jhadav is an Indian spy and he has split the beans.

Arresting Spies is not a new thing. Every country has spies in opposite countries handing over sensitive information.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Arresting Spies is not a new thing. Every country has spies in opposite countries handing over sensitive information.

Sure but he is high profile and has confirmed attacks are planned by Indian in Pakistan. Since his arrest Pakistan has been able to stop attacks due to the information he has provided. I think many Indians believe this to be true and are happy their nation is indulging in activities across the border.

 

[OoparCut]

Sure but he is high profile and has confirmed attacks are planned by Indian in Pakistan. Since his arrest Pakistan has been able to stop attacks due to the information he has provided. I think many Indians believe this to be true and are happy their nation is indulging in activities across the border.

So far, Jadhav is only guilty of having allegedly communicated with Baloch rebels. Rest of the parroted claims lack proof of any kind. For example, when the LeT attacked the red fort in Delhi, or when the JeM attacked the Parliament, or when LeT attacked Mumbai - there's a fudgeton of evidence, tapped phone calls, paper trails, ballistic evidence, physical evidence etc that can be traced back.

Why has PakMil failed to produce one single bullet, or gun, or bomb supplied by the notorious Jadhav that was used in a terrorist attack? Even If he wasn't kidnapped from Iran as is widely suspected, and was in fact in Pakistani territory, at best, the case against him is information gathering - not direct terrorism.

Now, does it look like he was possibly involved in supplying aid to Baloch Rebels? Sure, its very possible. But the way Pakistanis like to cite Jadhav, its as if they caught him red-handed shooting and bombing Pakistani civilians - when the reality is far from that.

 

[sshakir411]

So far, Jadhav is only guilty of having allegedly communicated with Baloch rebels. Rest of the parroted claims lack proof of any kind. For example, when the LeT attacked the red fort in Delhi, or when the JeM attacked the Parliament, or when LeT attacked Mumbai - there's a fudgeton of evidence, tapped phone calls, paper trails, ballistic evidence, physical evidence etc that can be traced back.

Why has PakMil failed to produce one single bullet, or gun, or bomb supplied by the notorious Jadhav that was used in a terrorist attack? Even If he wasn't kidnapped from Iran as is widely suspected, and was in fact in Pakistani territory, at best, the case against him is information gathering - not direct terrorism.

Now, does it look like he was possibly involved in supplying aid to Baloch Rebels? Sure, its very possible. But the way Pakistanis like to cite Jadhav, its as if they caught him red-handed shooting and bombing Pakistani civilians - when the reality is far from that.

The evidence in all those attacks has never been linked to Pakistan government, military, or the ISI. NEVER. While it may be common knowledge that Pakistani establishment facilitated those events...there is still no proof to blame Pakistan military like GoI always has. So the claim by Indians about Pakistan using proxies is non-factual...the only thing Pakistan should be rightly blamed for is not clamping down on these groups and letting them plan their attacks on India..

 

[www787]

So far, Jadhav is only guilty of having allegedly communicated with Baloch rebels. Rest of the parroted claims lack proof of any kind. For example, when the LeT attacked the red fort in Delhi, or when the JeM attacked the Parliament, or when LeT attacked Mumbai - there's a fudgeton of evidence, tapped phone calls, paper trails, ballistic evidence, physical evidence etc that can be traced back.

Why has PakMil failed to produce one single bullet, or gun, or bomb supplied by the notorious Jadhav that was used in a terrorist attack? Even If he wasn't kidnapped from Iran as is widely suspected, and was in fact in Pakistani territory, at best, the case against him is information gathering - not direct terrorism.

Now, does it look like he was possibly involved in supplying aid to Baloch Rebels? Sure, its very possible. But the way Pakistanis like to cite Jadhav, its as if they caught him red-handed shooting and bombing Pakistani civilians - when the reality is far from that.

I think delusional are those nationalist who would try to justify any form of killing of innocent civilian by their respective government. And, so far most Indian I have come acrross have justified killing of innocent civilian.

 

[OoparCut]

The evidence in all those attacks has never been linked to Pakistan government, military, or the ISI. NEVER. While it may be common knowledge that Pakistani establishment facilitated those events...there is still no proof to blame Pakistan military like GoI always has. So the claim by Indians about Pakistan using proxies is non-factual...the only thing Pakistan should be rightly blamed for is not clamping down on these groups and letting them plan their attacks on India..

Not directly linked to Pakistani government? Hafiz Saeed used to hold public rallies where he would go on stage and have re-enactments of how his brave mujahideen attacked Hindustan's Lal Qila. Same Hafiz Saeed who is being protected by your government.

Masood Azhar is only out of prison because he was released in exchange for innocent hostages - released to murdering hijackers, and his JeM publicly took credit for the fidayeen attack on Indian Parliament. JeM held public funeral services for the martyrs of a recent attack on Indian army - this was reported by Pakistani journalists. Masood Azhar is freely running his organization under the protection of the Pakistan Government in direct violation of UN mandated terrorism designations.

So its not so simple as saying there is "no link" to the Pakistan government. Reality is that these terror attacks in India would not be possible unless the Pakistan government provided an umbrella of security to these Lashkars and Jaishes. Same cannot be said of the Baloch rebels or TTP.

So sorry, but reality is that outside of Pakistan, nobody really buys these lame attempts at making false equivalences.

 

[KingKhanWC]

So far, Jadhav is only guilty of having allegedly communicated with Baloch rebels. Rest of the parroted claims lack proof of any kind. For example, when the LeT attacked the red fort in Delhi, or when the JeM attacked the Parliament, or when LeT attacked Mumbai - there's a fudgeton of evidence, tapped phone calls, paper trails, ballistic evidence, physical evidence etc that can be traced back.

Why has PakMil failed to produce one single bullet, or gun, or bomb supplied by the notorious Jadhav that was used in a terrorist attack? Even If he wasn't kidnapped from Iran as is widely suspected, and was in fact in Pakistani territory, at best, the case against him is information gathering - not direct terrorism.

Now, does it look like he was possibly involved in supplying aid to Baloch Rebels? Sure, its very possible. But the way Pakistanis like to cite Jadhav, its as if they caught him red-handed shooting and bombing Pakistani civilians - when the reality is far from that.

Pakistan has confirmed he has sang like a canary. Pak is not like India, running to the 'International community' asking for help or stating India is involved in terrorism. The US know this as Hagel made it clear a couple of years ago.

The thread topic is do Indians support attacks in Pakistan. As a Bandladeshi you are also welcome to comment if you support such attacks.

 

[sshakir411]

Not directly linked to Pakistani government? Hafiz Saeed used to hold public rallies where he would go on stage and have re-enactments of how his brave mujahideen attacked Hindustan's Lal Qila. Same Hafiz Saeed who is being protected by your government.

Masood Azhar is only out of prison because he was released in exchange for innocent hostages - released to murdering hijackers, and his JeM publicly took credit for the fidayeen attack on Indian Parliament. JeM held public funeral services for the martyrs of a recent attack on Indian army - this was reported by Pakistani journalists. Masood Azhar is freely running his organization under the protection of the Pakistan Government in direct violation of UN mandated terrorism designations.

So its not so simple as saying there is "no link" to the Pakistan government. Reality is that these terror attacks in India would not be possible unless the Pakistan government provided an umbrella of security to these Lashkars and Jaishes. Same cannot be said of the Baloch rebels or TTP.

So sorry, but reality is that outside of Pakistan, nobody really buys these lame attempts at making false equivalences.

You have no evidence of Hafiz Saeed being 'protected' by the government. He is ignored by the government and not protected. His organization is a charity and that is not a crime...

Same with the other guy...no proof of protection by the government. These guys/organizations are ignored by the establishment and allowed to do what they like...Pakistan not going after them is not protection rather a lack of will and a way to bring India on the negotiating table.

Pakistan will only take actions against these guys for India if India is willing to play ball with Pakistan on issues that remain outstanding. Until then there will never be any will from the Pakistan side to catch these guys for India and they will be allowed to do what they want as long as they don't carry out any attacks in Pakistan.

Indians should open their eyes and realize these organizations are operating freely and not under some Pakistan military provided camps. Pakistan military chooses to ignore their activities because it will not do anything that will benefit India until unless India does something beneficial in return.

 

[OoparCut]

Pakistan has confirmed he has sang like a canary. Pak is not like India, running to the 'International community' asking for help or stating India is involved in terrorism. The US know this as Hagel made it clear a couple of years ago.

The thread topic is do Indians support attacks in Pakistan. As a Bandladeshi you are also welcome to comment if you support such attacks.

"sang like a canary". Good that you swallowed the propaganda hook line and sinker. Can you give even one example of an actual attack on even a single person that Jadhav was linked to? Or an attack that he supplied arms, bombs or money for? Or all you have is the general statement about "disrupting law and order" that he was forced to read out on camera?

Logical mature adults know how to interpret the facts in front of them. Rest can always be hoodwinked by pressing the buttons on regional India-Pak rivalry, patriotism, and parroting jargon and buzzwords.

 

[OoparCut]

You have no evidence of Hafiz Saeed being 'protected' by the government. He is ignored by the government and not protected. His organization is a charity and that is not a crime...

Same with the other guy...no proof of protection by the government. These guys/organizations are ignored by the establishment and allowed to do what they like...Pakistan not going after them is not protection rather a lack of will and a way to bring India on the negotiating table.

Pakistan will only take actions against these guys for India if India is willing to play ball with Pakistan on issues that remain outstanding. Until then there will never be any will from the Pakistan side to catch these guys for India and they will be allowed to do what they want as long as they don't carry out any attacks in Pakistan.

Indians should open their eyes and realize these organizations are operating freely and not under some Pakistan military provided camps. Pakistan military chooses to ignore their activities because it will not do anything that will benefit India until unless India does something beneficial in return.

Are you for real?

Both Hafiz Saeed and Masood Azhar are UN designated terrorists. By not prosecuting them or imprisoning them, Pakistan is publicly announcing its protection. What else is there to "prove"?


On the question of negotiations, Pakistan has to realize that its not in a situation to force India to agree to its terms on "outstanding issues". And Indian government can afford to out-wait and out-spend Pakistan - the more time goes by, India's position will get stronger and it will end up getting even more favorable terms in the eventual dispute resolution.

Even if you put the morality or ethics of supporting non-state actors aside, the cold reality is that it is in Pakistan's interest to come out of its own trap of playing a losing hand. When you are in a hole, it helps to stop digging.

 

[KingKhanWC]

"sang like a canary". Good that you swallowed the propaganda hook line and sinker. Can you give even one example of an actual attack on even a single person that Jadhav was linked to? Or an attack that he supplied arms, bombs or money for? Or all you have is the general statement about "disrupting law and order" that he was forced to read out on camera?

Logical mature adults know how to interpret the facts in front of them. Rest can always be hoodwinked by pressing the buttons on regional India-Pak rivalry, patriotism, and parroting jargon and buzzwords.

Read the Indian press, who accept he was a spy and a spy with a high ranking. Since his arrest a number of attacks have been foiled, accept it or not it makes no difference to him being in custody and people's lives being saved.

Please answer the question in the OP. You claimed to be from Bangladesh, so as a Indian fan of Bengali heritage, do you support any attacks by India in Pakistan. If you dont believe there is any, would you support such actions if they take place. No need to run away from the topic and divert.

 

[cricketjoshila]

You have no evidence of Hafiz Saeed being 'protected' by the government. He is ignored by the government and not protected. His organization is a charity and that is not a crime...

Same with the other guy...no proof of protection by the government. These guys/organizations are ignored by the establishment and allowed to do what they like...Pakistan not going after them is not protection rather a lack of will and a way to bring India on the negotiating table.

Pakistan will only take actions against these guys for India if India is willing to play ball with Pakistan on issues that remain outstanding. Until then there will never be any will from the Pakistan side to catch these guys for India and they will be allowed to do what they want as long as they don't carry out any attacks in Pakistan.

Indians should open their eyes and realize these organizations are operating freely and not under some Pakistan military provided camps. Pakistan military chooses to ignore their activities because it will not do anything that will benefit India until unless India does something beneficial in return.

Hafiz Saeed's organisation is banned by UN. Masood Azhar is banned by most countries.

They are designated terrorists.

India has realised there is no use talking to Pakistan. Thats been a waste of time. Rather prepare to impose costs. Good that the govt is building more Dams on rivers flowing through Kashmir, another mumbai like attack should be the perfect scenario to withdraw from the Indus Water Treaty.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Read the Indian press, who accept he was a spy and a spy with a high ranking. Since his arrest a number of attacks have been foiled, accept it or not it makes no difference to him being in custody and people's lives being saved.

Please answer the question in the OP. You claimed to be from Bangladesh, so as a Indian fan of Bengali heritage, do you support any attacks by India in Pakistan. If you dont believe there is any, would you support such actions if they take place. No need to run away from the topic and divert.

A spy is not a terrorist.

 

[KingKhanWC]

A spy is not a terrorist.

If he is supporting or facilitating terrorist attacks he is a terrorist. He wasn't there to spy on the Balochi wildlife.

 

[cricketjoshila]

If he is supporting or facilitating terrorist attacks he is a terrorist. He wasn't there to spy on the Balochi wildlife.

Thats an accusation by Pakistanis which no one around the world has any reason to believe. Anyone supporting Pakistan on this?

 

[R3verse Swing]

Funny how India cites UN in defence, but when the same UN states India is committing crimes in Kashmir, the UN does not exist according to India. Israel is no different. What is it with countries beginning with I? (Pun fully intended).

 

[KingKhanWC]

Thats an accusation by Pakistanis which no one around the world has any reason to believe. Anyone supporting Pakistan on this?

Pakistan is not like India, it doesn't need the blessing of other nations or their support.

 

[PakLFC]

Most Indian's do support attacks in Pakistan. For that reason I support whenever Pak hitting back with venom. I love it when their news anchors cry and beat their chests. I am not fora minute buying India having no hand in bomb blasts in Pakistan. We don't need the UN or America to tell us who is responsible behind these attacks. Simple, make India bleed a zillion times more.

 

[BreadPakoda]

What role? There isn't one to begin with.

 

[Greenstorm]

Don't know about Indians but I admire the fact that India is following an ideology since the day of its inception and that is to dismantle Pakistan. They have done everything they can and still working on it. India sent its forces in Kashmir, started to develop close ties with Afghanistan in 1950s and from their supported pashtoon nationalism(Bacha khan types). They worked with Sheikh Mujeeb and aided Mukti Bahni while West Pakistan kept on neglecting East in 1960s. Credited goes to India for breaking us in 1971. In 1980s, they occupied certain posts in Siachen (quite a daring effort by the way). After the start of war on terror, India seized another oppurtunity and conducted hundreds of attacks in Pakistan all the while supporting and aiding nationalism in Balochistan and Karachi.
Apart from supporting mujahideens in Kashmir, supporting Sikhs in Punjab for a brief period and some misadventures to retake Kashmir, Pakistan has been on defensive . Pakistan had weak and defensive leaders for the most part and our economic situation also did not helped. I hope one day we have a strong leader so that India can have a taste of its own medicine.
That being said, I am against attacking civilians, be it from any side. That is why it is shameful that Indians perpetrated bomb blasts in bazars, on cricket teams and in schools.

 

[BlackShadow]

What role? There isn't one to begin with.

Apparently, the theory states that Pakistan's current state is India's doing as the spy they captured revealed all those facts. Interestingly, the same spy also accused Indian officials in Pakistan of mistreating his mother and wife, making it clear that there was no pressure involved in any of his confessions.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Pakistan is not like India, it doesn't need the blessing of other nations or their support.

Cos pakistan doesnt have any evidence.

 

[R3verse Swing]

To a neutral, they may understand the titt for tat tactics over Kashmir, but for India to fund terrorists in Pakistan for the purpose of derailing CPEC is just some next level of insecurity.

India must really feel threatened by CPEC.

 

[Varun]

I don't support any of it.

Balochistan has nothing to do with us anyway.

 

[shortbread]

Personally I dont wish Pakistan to use forces to attack civilians in India. Since Kashmiri's in IOK have been persecuted and oppressed, I'm ok with Pakistan helping them but nothing more.

I hope all Indians comment and we will see most do not wish such attacks by India in Pakistan, otherwise why would they want to communicate with Pakistani's at all?

I think the animosity is deep and getting worse each passing year. It is very obvious on this forum itself, the hatred is real and illogical. This is then simply passed from each generation to the next.

I do not know who is to blame for this and not pointing fingers anywhere. Each side takes a lot of joy in the others pain, failures and suffering. Irrespective of the sympathy shown one gets the feeling rival governments/armies celebrate triumph in the direct or indirect involvement in crimes committed on both sides. I am also sure as the need to rile up popular support rises, the easiest way to win brownie points is to boast the 'enemy' lives taken.

Pakistan and India are losing their sense of humanity, it is both scary and sad. What is worse is we are passing this vile from one generation to the next. Hopefully one day people on both sides will be smart and educated enough to say enough is enough, It will not be in our lifetimes though.

 

[OoparCut]

Read the Indian press, who accept he was a spy and a spy with a high ranking. Since his arrest a number of attacks have been foiled, accept it or not it makes no difference to him being in custody and people's lives being saved.

Please answer the question in the OP. You claimed to be from Bangladesh, so as a Indian fan of Bengali heritage, do you support any attacks by India in Pakistan. If you dont believe there is any, would you support such actions if they take place. No need to run away from the topic and divert.

Where did you get this silliness in your head that I "claimed to be from Bangladesh"?

Nobody's "running away" from anything. Your attempt at a "leading question" in desi Barrister vinod style is just as silly.

Read again slowly. Apart from Pakistanis who like to swallow propaganda dished out by "ISPR", nobody is buying the attempted false equivalence, no matter how hard you try to spin your wheels. Its not that "your" media is not good enough, its that you can't spin lies into truth, no matter how hard you try.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Where did you get this silliness in your head that I "claimed to be from Bangladesh"?

Nobody's "running away" from anything. Your attempt at a "leading question" in desi Barrister vinod style is just as silly.

Read again slowly. Apart from Pakistanis who like to swallow propaganda dished out by "ISPR", nobody is buying the attempted false equivalence, no matter how hard you try to spin your wheels. Its not that "your" media is not good enough, its that you can't spin lies into truth, no matter how hard you try.

Aren't you Traveller?

Ok as an 'Indian' would you support if your nation was facilitating attacks in Pakistan?

 

[sshakir411]

Are you for real?

Both Hafiz Saeed and Masood Azhar are UN designated terrorists. By not prosecuting them or imprisoning them, Pakistan is publicly announcing its protection. What else is there to "prove"?


On the question of negotiations, Pakistan has to realize that its not in a situation to force India to agree to its terms on "outstanding issues". And Indian government can afford to out-wait and out-spend Pakistan - the more time goes by, India's position will get stronger and it will end up getting even more favorable terms in the eventual dispute resolution.

Even if you put the morality or ethics of supporting non-state actors aside, the cold reality is that it is in Pakistan's interest to come out of its own trap of playing a losing hand. When you are in a hole, it helps to stop digging.

Looks like you have a hard time reading when you don't like what's being said. There is no evidence that links Hafiz Saeed to the Pakistan Military or that proves he's being protected by the Pakistan Military...if there is any..please show all of us. Otherwise quit repeating the same thing over and over like your Indian bro CJ who replied to the same post as you.

 

[sshakir411]

Hafiz Saeed's organisation is banned by UN. Masood Azhar is banned by most countries.

They are designated terrorists.

India has realised there is no use talking to Pakistan. Thats been a waste of time. Rather prepare to impose costs. Good that the govt is building more Dams on rivers flowing through Kashmir, another mumbai like attack should be the perfect scenario to withdraw from the Indus Water Treaty.

Where is the proof of him being protected by Pakistan military or government like you and all Indians claim????

 

[OoparCut]

Looks like you have a hard time reading when you don't like what's being said. There is no evidence that links Hafiz Saeed to the Pakistan Military or that proves he's being protected by the Pakistan Military...if there is any..please show all of us. Otherwise quit repeating the same thing over and over like your Indian bro CJ who replied to the same post as you.

When a UN designated terrorist is allowed to roam free, hold rallies, even preside over newly formed political parties as part of "mainstreaming", you really have to ask for 'proof' about involvement of the government that allows all this?

And the Pakistani civilian "government" can only jump after asking PakMil how high its allowed. So everybody who's a functioning adult and cares to know about Pakistan and its perfidy, is well aware of Pakistan's complicity. Your repeated shouting of "where's the proof" is quite meaningless really.

 

[OoparCut]

Aren't you Traveller?

Ok as an 'Indian' would you support if your nation was facilitating attacks in Pakistan?

Q1 - No. I don't know who you are referring to.

Q2 - No, I would not support any facilitation of attacks in Pakistan unless its an openly declared one. Like the "serjical strike" that you boys love to mock. By the way, keep sticking your fingers in your ears, and swallowing the ISPR propaganda that "it didnt happen". The more you do it, the more well-informed Indians enjoy the burn.

 

[PakLFC]

No reason for Pak to listen to UN when the Kashmir resolution remains outstanding. India and it's people can not expect Pak to listen to anything else the UN says.

 

[sshakir411]

When a UN designated terrorist is allowed to roam free, hold rallies, even preside over newly formed political parties as part of "mainstreaming", you really have to ask for 'proof' about involvement of the government that allows all this?

And the Pakistani civilian "government" can only jump after asking PakMil how high its allowed. So everybody who's a functioning adult and cares to know about Pakistan and its perfidy, is well aware of Pakistan's complicity. Your repeated shouting of "where's the proof" is quite meaningless really.

As I said Pakistan government/military ignores Hafiz Saeed and will not arrest him until India is willing to give something in return. Indian government has NO evidence that suggest Hafiz carries out attacks on order from Pakistan military. Just like Pakistan has no solid evidence on Kulbubshan Jhadav other than him being an Indian Navy officer.

If the UN is the 'final say' for you Indians why don't you accept the UN Resolution on Kashmir? India has ignored that UN decision for decades and then turns around and says Hafiz should be arrested because he is a UN designated terrorist. India either accepts everything UN says or sit at home.

 

[cricketjoshila]

As I said Pakistan government/military ignores Hafiz Saeed and will not arrest him until India is willing to give something in return. Indian government has NO evidence that suggest Hafiz carries out attacks on order from Pakistan military. Just like Pakistan has no solid evidence on Kulbubshan Jhadav other than him being an Indian Navy officer.

If the UN is the 'final say' for you Indians why don't you accept the UN Resolution on Kashmir? India has ignored that UN decision for decades and then turns around and says Hafiz should be arrested because he is a UN designated terrorist. India either accepts everything UN says or sit at home.

Have you read the UN resolution on Kashmir? Do you know under what article it was passed? Do you know which UN resolutions are binding which are not?

 

[OoparCut]

Funny how India cites UN in defence, but when the same UN states India is committing crimes in Kashmir, the UN does not exist according to India. Israel is no different. What is it with countries beginning with I? (Pun fully intended).

No reason for Pak to listen to UN when the Kashmir resolution remains outstanding. India and it's people can not expect Pak to listen to anything else the UN says.

As I said Pakistan government/military ignores Hafiz Saeed and will not arrest him until India is willing to give something in return. Indian government has NO evidence that suggest Hafiz carries out attacks on order from Pakistan military. Just like Pakistan has no solid evidence on Kulbubshan Jhadav other than him being an Indian Navy officer.

If the UN is the 'final say' for you Indians why don't you accept the UN Resolution on Kashmir? India has ignored that UN decision for decades and then turns around and says Hafiz should be arrested because he is a UN designated terrorist. India either accepts everything UN says or sit at home.

Are you children aware that in order to follow the UN resolutions, Pakistan first has to hand over entire Kashmir to the Indian Army? First go back and get the land of the Kashmiris that PakMil sold off to China, vacate and hand over entire "Azaad Kashmir" to the Indian army - gilgit, baltistan, skardu, Muzaffarabad - all of it. Evacuate ALL the Pakistanis from the region that don't have parents/grandparents who were living there prior to 1947.

Once all of that is done, Indian army and government is to conduct the much asked for "plebescite" in Kashmir.

You guys have been lied to by your government for decades. You don't even know the full details of the UN resolutions. And I know and understand that its difficult to accept or admit even if you know the truth.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Are you children aware that in order to follow the UN resolutions, Pakistan first has to hand over entire Kashmir to the Indian Army? First go back and get the land of the Kashmiris that PakMil sold off to China, vacate and hand over entire "Azaad Kashmir" to the Indian army - gilgit, baltistan, skardu, Muzaffarabad - all of it. Evacuate ALL the Pakistanis from the region that don't have parents/grandparents who were living there prior to 1947.

Once all of that is done, Indian army and government is to conduct the much asked for "plebescite" in Kashmir.

You guys have been lied to by your government for decades. You don't even know the full details of the UN resolutions. And I know and understand that its difficult to accept or admit even if you know the truth.

Oh yes, the opinion of a half Kashmiri and half Bangladeshi must be true. I guess Wiki is worse.

Here' the actual resolution.

https://undocs.org/S/RES/47(1948)

 

[jusarrived]

It's common knowledge now India is supporting attacks in Pakistan.

However I didn't think Indians would support this but we have such comments.



http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...rorist-group-busted-in-Hyderabad-police-claim

Personally I dont wish Pakistan to use forces to attack civilians in India. Since Kashmiri's in IOK have been persecuted and oppressed, I'm ok with Pakistan helping them but nothing more.

I hope all Indians comment and we will see most do not wish such attacks by India in Pakistan, otherwise why would they want to communicate with Pakistani's at all?

Basically you are ok with Pak sponsoring attacks in India

 

[OoparCut]

Oh yes, the opinion of a half Kashmiri and half Bangladeshi must be true. I guess Wiki is worse.

Here' the actual resolution.

https://undocs.org/S/RES/47(1948)

What is with you guys and false accusations of origin?

Good that you can use google and post links. Question is, Can you read it though? What does Step 1 A of the resolution say?

Pathetic, really.

 

[R3verse Swing]

What is with you guys and false accusations of origin?

Good that you can use google and post links. Question is, Can you read it though? What does Step 1 A of the resolution say?

Pathetic, really.

Can you read? It says tribesmen and Pakistanis for the purpose of fighting should leave. This is miles from what you claimed above:

First go back and get the land of the Kashmiris that PakMil sold off to China, vacate and hand over entire "Azaad Kashmir" to the Indian army - gilgit, baltistan, skardu, Muzaffarabad - all of it. Evacuate ALL the Pakistanis from the region that don't have parents/grandparents who were living there prior to 1947

Pathetic is your inability to read.

 

[big_gamer007]

After reading his thread anyone with half a brain will understand what happens..

Indians want Pakistanis to punish terrorists living in their soil.. Pakistanis don’t accept they are living on heir soil or are terrorists or government have anything to do with them etc etc..

Since Pakistanis don’t want the killers of innocents to be punished the Indians feel if the government indulges in threatening pakistani lives it’s fine as they do the same..

Then Pakistanis day we won’t punish anyone till you resolve Kashmir..

Indians say read UN resolution..

Blame game and saga continues between the two nations..

IMO killing of any innocent is wrong and whether it be India or Pakistan if they have people who are responsible for killing any innocent they need to be punished.. However he reality is Pakistan and Pakistanis need to do heir part first before they claim to have moral standing of blaming India.. Else atleast accept they are wrong first and then question Indians who will accept the same if it’s an honest discussion..

But all threads follow the same pattern as listed above and are nothing more than a chance to take a dig at the other nation..
[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] hope you got your answer.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Basically you are ok with Pak sponsoring attacks in India

Helping people who are oppressed against security forces isn't sponsoring terrorism. No civilians should be targeted, this is terrorism.

 

[KingKhanWC]

After reading his thread anyone with half a brain will understand what happens..

Indians want Pakistanis to punish terrorists living in their soil.. Pakistanis don’t accept they are living on heir soil or are terrorists or government have anything to do with them etc etc..

Since Pakistanis don’t want the killers of innocents to be punished the Indians feel if the government indulges in threatening pakistani lives it’s fine as they do the same..

Then Pakistanis day we won’t punish anyone till you resolve Kashmir..

Indians say read UN resolution..

Blame game and saga continues between the two nations..

IMO killing of any innocent is wrong and whether it be India or Pakistan if they have people who are responsible for killing any innocent they need to be punished.. However he reality is Pakistan and Pakistanis need to do heir part first before they claim to have moral standing of blaming India.. Else atleast accept they are wrong first and then question Indians who will accept the same if it’s an honest discussion..

But all threads follow the same pattern as listed above and are nothing more than a chance to take a dig at the other nation..
[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] hope you got your answer.

Indian posters themselves have wrote they are ok with attacks in Pakistan (which have killed innocent people). This is the reason why I asked the question to understand if this view is mariginal or wide spread. This question isn't related to the policies of the national governments but the views of the people.

 

[PakLFC]

Are you children aware that in order to follow the UN resolutions, Pakistan first has to hand over entire Kashmir to the Indian Army? First go back and get the land of the Kashmiris that PakMil sold off to China, vacate and hand over entire "Azaad Kashmir" to the Indian army - gilgit, baltistan, skardu, Muzaffarabad - all of it. Evacuate ALL the Pakistanis from the region that don't have parents/grandparents who were living there prior to 1947.

Once all of that is done, Indian army and government is to conduct the much asked for "plebescite" in Kashmir.

You guys have been lied to by your government for decades. You don't even know the full details of the UN resolutions. And I know and understand that its difficult to accept or admit even if you know the truth.

Bachche your argument has been dismissed many time before here of Pak handing over our Kash to you. Read post 41 then there is the Bangladesh story as well, we ain't giving you anything, ever!

 

[cricketjoshila]

Bachche your argument has been dismissed many time before here of Pak handing over our Kash to you. Read post 41 then there is the Bangladesh story as well, we ain't giving you anything, ever!

Dismissing anything here means zilch. This is why no one listens to Pakistani view on Kashmir as you violated the requirements of the UN resolution. Then you harbour banned terrorists.

 

[sshakir411]

Are you children aware that in order to follow the UN resolutions, Pakistan first has to hand over entire Kashmir to the Indian Army? First go back and get the land of the Kashmiris that PakMil sold off to China, vacate and hand over entire "Azaad Kashmir" to the Indian army - gilgit, baltistan, skardu, Muzaffarabad - all of it. Evacuate ALL the Pakistanis from the region that don't have parents/grandparents who were living there prior to 1947.

Once all of that is done, Indian army and government is to conduct the much asked for "plebescite" in Kashmir.

You guys have been lied to by your government for decades. You don't even know the full details of the UN resolutions. And I know and understand that its difficult to accept or admit even if you know the truth.

Very rich coming from Indians. I've read the resolution and suggest you should too.

 

[jusarrived]

Helping people who are oppressed against security forces isn't sponsoring terrorism. No civilians should be targeted, this is terrorism.

Nice excuse to defend killing of Indians

 

[OoparCut]

Bachche your argument has been dismissed many time before here of Pak handing over our Kash to you. Read post 41 then there is the Bangladesh story as well, we ain't giving you anything, ever!

Dismissed by whom? Propaganda fed "patriotic" Pakistanis being taken for a ride and exploited by their own military mafia? You know the ones where Jernails and Cernails send their children to western countries while getting land and homes in "DHA Housing" schemes that are declared constitutional by the barrel of a gun? Its one thing to fool yourself, quite another to claim "victory" elsewhere. The only thing that has been dismissed is Pakistan's pathetic attempt at re-drawing historical borders at the cost of its own people and future.

But feel free to tell yourself alternative stories. All Pakistan can do is get the blood of innocents on its hands in a futile effort to pressure India. And then embarass itself in front of the entire world by constantly lying about it. "No proof" indeed.

And btw, no Indian or Indian govt wants pakistan to "give" anything. LOC as border is unavoidable. The day your leaders grow the balls and honesty to tell their own people that, is when the slow transition to peace between India and Pakistan will begin.

 

[gani999]

Can you read? It says tribesmen and Pakistanis for the purpose of fighting should leave. This is miles from what you claimed above:



Pathetic is your inability to read.

So what does the resolution say?

A. Restoration of peace and order

The Government of Pakistan should undertake to use its best endeavours:

a. To secure the withdrawal from the state of Jammu and Kashmir of tribesmen and Pakistani nationals not normally resident therein who have entered the state for the purpose of fighting, and to prevent any intrusion into the state of such elements and any furnishing of material aid to those fighting in the state;

https://undocs.org/S/RES/47(1948)

What this means in the present day context is that no Pakistani soldier has any business to be on the Loc or the so-called 'Azad Kashmir, and that every single Pakistani soldier must vacate the area before any plebiscite can be held in the region.

I wonder why this fact is entirely lost on the Pakistanis who keep harping about plebiscite. No wonder no one takes you lot seriously when you talk about Kashmir.

 

[R3verse Swing]

So what does the resolution say?

A. Restoration of peace and order

The Government of Pakistan should undertake to use its best endeavours:

a. To secure the withdrawal from the state of Jammu and Kashmir of tribesmen and Pakistani nationals not normally resident therein who have entered the state for the purpose of fighting, and to prevent any intrusion into the state of such elements and any furnishing of material aid to those fighting in the state;

https://undocs.org/S/RES/47(1948)

What this means in the present day context is that no Pakistani soldier has any business to be on the Loc or the so-called 'Azad Kashmir, and that every single Pakistani soldier must vacate the area before any plebiscite can be held in the region.

I wonder why this fact is entirely lost on the Pakistanis who keep harping about plebiscite. No wonder no one takes you lot seriously when you talk about Kashmir.

Does the above equate to this :

First go back and get the land of the Kashmiris that PakMil sold off to China, vacate and hand over entire "Azaad Kashmir" to the Indian army - gilgit, baltistan, skardu, Muzaffarabad - all of it. Evacuate ALL the Pakistanis from the region that don't have parents/grandparents who were living there prior to 1947

 

[R3verse Swing]

Thought so.

Indians (and Bangladeshis) propagating lies on Kashmir and getting caught out.

What else is new!?

 

[OoparCut]

Does the above equate to this :

Yes it does - According to the UN resolution, Indian army was to maintain control in entire Kashmir, and the plebescite was to be held after ensuring there were no demographic changes made. Pakistan has been squatting on Pakistan occupied Kashmir since then, refusing to vacate it. And shamelessly sold off territory to China. Since 1948, Indian government has protected Kashmir by preventing non-Kashmiris from buying any land. No such protection on the Pak side of the LOC. Everybody knows how much of the current PoK population can even understand Kashmiri language.


If you wanted to follow the UN resolution, you have to follow step 1, before you jump up and down asking for step 2, and pretend that step 1 doesn't exist.


Reality is that Pakistan doesn't care or want Kashmiri independence, it wants to grab the land for itself. If Pakistanis cared so much for Kashmiri's azaadi, they would have given at least basic rights to the residents of Gilgit, Baltistan and rest of PoK. Legally, those residents don't even have the rights that Pakistani citizens have. Although that's not really saying much anyway.

So the "lies" are all there for entire world to see.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Oh my. Lessons from one who didn't read in the first place.

Gotta laugh though. One guy comes along and claims that ALL Pakistanis must leave Kashmir, got corrected, now claims that Pakistan Army is the same as Pakistan residence, and the next comes along and quotes a third of a sentence, yet between them cannot make head or tail of the US resolution - which they had not read until this thread.

Should be duly noted, Pakistani Army is DEFENDING, not Fighting.

 

[OoparCut]

Oh my. Lessons from one who didn't read in the first place.

Gotta laugh though. One guy comes along and claims that ALL Pakistanis must leave Kashmir, got corrected, now claims that Pakistan Army is the same as Pakistan residence, and the next comes along and quotes a third of a sentence, yet between them cannot make head or tail of the US resolution - which they had not read until this thread.

Should be duly noted, Pakistani Army is DEFENDING, not Fighting.

That's right. When faced with facts, keep parroting nonsense and declare victory.

 

[PakLFC]

Dismissed by whom? Propaganda fed "patriotic" Pakistanis being taken for a ride and exploited by their own military mafia? You know the ones where Jernails and Cernails send their children to western countries while getting land and homes in "DHA Housing" schemes that are declared constitutional by the barrel of a gun? Its one thing to fool yourself, quite another to claim "victory" elsewhere. The only thing that has been dismissed is Pakistan's pathetic attempt at re-drawing historical borders at the cost of its own people and future.

But feel free to tell yourself alternative stories. All Pakistan can do is get the blood of innocents on its hands in a futile effort to pressure India. And then embarass itself in front of the entire world by constantly lying about it. "No proof" indeed.

And btw, no Indian or Indian govt wants pakistan to "give" anything. LOC as border is unavoidable. The day your leaders grow the balls and honesty to tell their own people that, is when the slow transition to peace between India and Pakistan will begin.

As if you people don't do propaganda all day long on your ailly programmes? What exploitation? Are you talking about you starving soldiers crying at the border over the food they are made to eat? Should we talk of your soldiers who are humiliated by ladies and whacked by their own seniors? These days they are being forced to eat plastic rice! None of your business where the kid's of our generals are being educated! The job of our army is to take care off you lot.

You lot are so foolish that even a blind man can see through your baloney! Oh our economy is this and that! To bad your soldiers can only bully innocent Kashmiris or rape tribal women, I can prove it not that you don't know! Not only victory but humiliation is what Bharat has always faced crying over the same thing, repeatedly. I got news for you that the world don't give a damn about Saeed, Lakhvi or whoever else so keep crying! You know what they say "if you laugh the world laughs with you but if you cry they world laughs even more!

I will give you blood in IoK, Nagaland, Assam, Seven Sisters together Operation Bluestar in 1984 and Gujarat killing of Muslims and destruction of Babri Masjid. Had enough or do you want more tolerance of "secular Bharat"? I am afraid embarrassing and foolish Indian shows can not be seen as conclusive evidence where as pic don't lie! The whole word saw the atrocities your soldiers committed in the aforementioned historical occurrences. Just ask the Kashmiris and Sikh's or tribal's of the fascist state that is India!

We don't think history pal but we make it! We don't give a you know what when it comes to our interests and will bomb whatever it takes to survive no matter what your beloved UN says! Hey, we're the rebels and the bad boys of the world so we will be just that if need be! What do you mean LOC is "unavoidable " when firing takes place every day? You did not give us Pakistan rather we snatched it from you by force, remember that! You people don't have no balls which is why your soldiers fight ladies! Grow a pair and people may also stop laughing at your drinking habits, you know what I mean??

Modi prior to being elected was saying this and that about "teaching Pakistan a lesson"! That terrorist responsible for the Gujarat massacre knows the capabilities of his army of mice". Pak are not Indian Muslim's who are afraid of you cowards! We're gonna hot back and do so hard that your ***** leaders will be screaming in Delhi! First go and feed your 400 million beggars before acting all hard and that! There can be no peace with you people, never!

 

[PakLFC]

Dismissing anything here means zilch. This is why no one listens to Pakistani view on Kashmir as you violated the requirements of the UN resolution. Then you harbour banned terrorists.

Poor Indian's crying again! We don't care that no one listens to us as if they do to you! No one listened to us either in 1947! We know what happened then! Gujarat, Operation Bluestar, Babri demolition and all they insurgencies in India with your army killing innocents proves who the terrorist country is! We will just have to force you to give us Kashmir lie we did entire Pakistan! Ultimately, that is what will happen, it's the only way.

 

[OoparCut]

We don't think history pal but we make it! We don't give a you know what when it comes to our interests and will bomb whatever it takes to survive no matter what your beloved UN says! Hey, we're the rebels and the bad boys of the world so we will be just that if need be! What do you mean LOC is "unavoidable " when firing takes place every day? You did not give us Pakistan rather we snatched it from you by force, remember that! You people don't have no balls which is why your soldiers fight ladies! Grow a pair and people may also stop laughing at your drinking habits, you know what I mean??

Yes, we've seen the history made by the "bad boys". 90,000 surrendering in 1971. An army too ashamed to even claim its own dead, and then retreating from mountain-tops and running to Washington DC to salvage a ceasefire in 1999. And let's not forget 2001, when Musharraf had to beg the US to evacuate PakMil staffers from Kunduz, Afghanistan. And the last 17 years since then, where the "bad boys" have pulled their pants down and allowed foreign countries to freely bomb its own citizens and all they can manage is "condemn" the drone attacks, while privately agreeing that they can go on.

Yes, everybody knows who's laughing at whose "habits". India may have 400 million beggars, but at least its not beghairat to keep going to the IMF every couple of years with katora in hand. Oh don't look now, its going to be that time again in a few months.

And LOC as border is basically a done deal. Your leaders signed off on it in the past. Its only a question of time. What are the "bad boys" going to do about it? Hide behind teenage murderers who kill children and aged parents of soldiers? Oh wow, what a brave army this is. Don't worry, Bad boys are getting their daily dose of lessons at the LOC. Indian army can afford to keep firing and re-building the posts. Let's see how long PakMil can do it without going to to the IMF again, with katora in hand.

 

[R3verse Swing]

One cannot trust the words of one who was schooled mid way during a thread.

Got to love the 50/50 Kashmiri/Bangladeshis!

 

[R3verse Swing]

Poor Indian's crying again! We don't care that no one listens to us as if they do to you! No one listened to us either in 1947! We know what happened then! Gujarat, Operation Bluestar, Babri demolition and all they insurgencies in India with your army killing innocents proves who the terrorist country is! We will just have to force you to give us Kashmir lie we did entire Pakistan! Ultimately, that is what will happen, it's the only way.

Mate, you have them resorting to irrelevant topics. This is a clear indication of pwngae.

Salute to you sir!

 

[Moh@n]

Oh my. Lessons from one who didn't read in the first place.

Gotta laugh though. One guy comes along and claims that ALL Pakistanis must leave Kashmir, got corrected, now claims that Pakistan Army is the same as Pakistan residence, and the next comes along and quotes a third of a sentence, yet between them cannot make head or tail of the US resolution - which they had not read until this thread.

Should be duly noted, Pakistani Army is DEFENDING, not Fighting.

It is certainly not India that can fulfill the first step of the resolution. Not sure what you are on about.

 

[R3verse Swing]

It is certainly not India that can fulfill the first step of the resolution. Not sure what you are on about.

Irrelevant.

What is relevant is an Indian claims ALL Pakistanis must leave Kashmir, yet the UN resolution says otherwise. This was the point.

 

[Moh@n]

Irrelevant.

What is relevant is an Indian claims ALL Pakistanis must leave Kashmir, yet the UN resolution says otherwise. This was the point.

Well turns out it's not irrelevant because Pakistanis keep harping plebiscite, which is the third step of the resolution.

So who needs to fulfill the first step?

 

[R3verse Swing]

Well turns out it's not irrelevant because Pakistanis keep harping plebiscite, which is the third step of the resolution.

So who needs to fulfill the first step?

According to Indians, the first step is for Pakistanis to leave Kashmir. This has proven to be false.

Second step is for Pakistanis that are in Kashmir for the purpose of fighting must leave - but Pakistan army is defending, not fighting.

Third step is Plebiscite.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Unfortunately most Indians aren't even aware of their governments' heroics in Pakistan. Most Indians have grown up listening about ISI as an agency of the caliber of CIA, KGB while not much about RAW. Ordinary Indians are hardly aware of its existence and those who are wonder what it even does compared to ISI which they have heard so much about. Guess thats how it works. To an extent both nations' media overrates the other agency too.

M=Back to the question, most Indians are hateful and racist. They would gladly and openly support anything that harms Pakistan be it proxy war, targeting Pakistani artists, their cricketers, spreading false propaganda against Pakistan.

In fact most Indians openly hate muslims including Indian muslims. I used to truly believe there was goodness amongst Indians but ever see Modi came to power and whatever has been going on in India since then all my delusions about India have been busted. Indian National Congress is the only reason India has existed the way it has for all these years. They kept the right wing bigots in control. With their fall and India falling into the hands of the hindu fascist BJP led by Modi who is a proud and open muslim hater, India is now running towards its destruction at the speed its fast bowlers never reached in their wildest dreams.

 

[Moh@n]

According to Indians, the first step is for Pakistanis to leave Kashmir. This has proven to be false.

Whatever is the TRUE first step, has that happened yet? If not, who needs to fulfill that step?

 

[BlackShadow]

As if you people don't do propaganda all day long on your ailly programmes? What exploitation? Are you talking about you starving soldiers crying at the border over the food they are made to eat? Should we talk of your soldiers who are humiliated by ladies and whacked by their own seniors? These days they are being forced to eat plastic rice! None of your business where the kid's of our generals are being educated! The job of our army is to take care off you lot.

You lot are so foolish that even a blind man can see through your baloney! Oh our economy is this and that! To bad your soldiers can only bully innocent Kashmiris or rape tribal women, I can prove it not that you don't know! Not only victory but humiliation is what Bharat has always faced crying over the same thing, repeatedly. I got news for you that the world don't give a damn about Saeed, Lakhvi or whoever else so keep crying! You know what they say "if you laugh the world laughs with you but if you cry they world laughs even more!

I will give you blood in IoK, Nagaland, Assam, Seven Sisters together Operation Bluestar in 1984 and Gujarat killing of Muslims and destruction of Babri Masjid. Had enough or do you want more tolerance of "secular Bharat"? I am afraid embarrassing and foolish Indian shows can not be seen as conclusive evidence where as pic don't lie! The whole word saw the atrocities your soldiers committed in the aforementioned historical occurrences. Just ask the Kashmiris and Sikh's or tribal's of the fascist state that is India!

We don't think history pal but we make it! We don't give a you know what when it comes to our interests and will bomb whatever it takes to survive no matter what your beloved UN says! Hey, we're the rebels and the bad boys of the world so we will be just that if need be! What do you mean LOC is "unavoidable " when firing takes place every day? You did not give us Pakistan rather we snatched it from you by force, remember that! You people don't have no balls which is why your soldiers fight ladies! Grow a pair and people may also stop laughing at your drinking habits, you know what I mean??

Modi prior to being elected was saying this and that about "teaching Pakistan a lesson"! That terrorist responsible for the Gujarat massacre knows the capabilities of his army of mice". Pak are not Indian Muslim's who are afraid of you cowards! We're gonna hot back and do so hard that your ***** leaders will be screaming in Delhi! First go and feed your 400 million beggars before acting all hard and that! There can be no peace with you people, never!

All that military might, and you can't host a Cricket match in your country. Last I heard, American drones were bombing your territory at will, where was your army?

If you seriously believe that this joke of an army you possess can make India bleed, then you are highly deluded.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Whatever is the TRUE first step, has that happened yet? If not, who needs to fulfill that step?

Something to do with majority of Muslims during partition.

Funny how Indians FORGET this step.

 

[Moh@n]

Something to do with majority of Muslims during partition.

Funny how Indians FORGET this step.

In my three attempts you could not accept that it's Pakistan that needs to act for the plebiscite to happen in Kashmir. Why quote the resolution when you cannot answer direct questions about it?

 

[R3verse Swing]

In my three attempts you could not accept that it's Pakistan that needs to act for the plebiscite to happen in Kashmir. Why quote the resolution when you cannot answer direct questions about it?

In my three responses you have not read the resolution, nor do you understand the principles behind the partition.

 

[BlackShadow]

Yes, we've seen the history made by the "bad boys". 90,000 surrendering in 1971. An army too ashamed to even claim its own dead, and then retreating from mountain-tops and running to Washington DC to salvage a ceasefire in 1999. And let's not forget 2001, when Musharraf had to beg the US to evacuate PakMil staffers from Kunduz, Afghanistan. And the last 17 years since then, where the "bad boys" have pulled their pants down and allowed foreign countries to freely bomb its own citizens and all they can manage is "condemn" the drone attacks, while privately agreeing that they can go on.

Yes, everybody knows who's laughing at whose "habits". India may have 400 million beggars, but at least its not beghairat to keep going to the IMF every couple of years with katora in hand. Oh don't look now, its going to be that time again in a few months.

And LOC as border is basically a done deal. Your leaders signed off on it in the past. Its only a question of time. What are the "bad boys" going to do about it? Hide behind teenage murderers who kill children and aged parents of soldiers? Oh wow, what a brave army this is. Don't worry, Bad boys are getting their daily dose of lessons at the LOC. Indian army can afford to keep firing and re-building the posts. Let's see how long PakMil can do it without going to to the IMF again, with katora in hand.

What these keyboard warriors think means little when their own army knows it's true place. Most of these "ghairati" Pakistanis simply cannot digest Pakistan's irrelevance and helplessness when it comes to dealing with India today.

The "katora" from the UN always returns empty, while an army adventure is something they can't even dream of. Quite a sad situation if you look at it from a Pakistani perspective.

 

[Moh@n]

In my three responses you have not read the resolution, nor do you understand the principles behind the partition.

It doesn't look like you have read the resolution either, else you would know why the plebiscite hasn't happened yet.

 

[KingKhanWC]

What these keyboard warriors think means little when their own army knows it's true place. Most of these "ghairati" Pakistanis simply cannot digest Pakistan's irrelevance and helplessness when it comes to dealing with India today.

The "katora" from the UN always returns empty, while an army adventure is something they can't even dream of. Quite a sad situation if you look at it from a Pakistani perspective.

You haven't explained why you SUPPORT attacks in Pakistan which kill innocent people?

 

[KingKhanWC]

It doesn't look like you have read the resolution either, else you would know why the plebiscite hasn't happened yet.

You are clueless. INDIA FIRST has to confirm it will allow a plebiscite, once this is done Pak troops will leave Kashmir very quickly as we all know the Kashmiris' will decide to leave their occupiers.

 

[Moh@n]

You are clueless. INDIA FIRST has to confirm it will allow a plebiscite, once this is done Pak troops will leave Kashmir very quickly as we all know the Kashmiris' will decide to leave their occupiers.

Seems to be yet another Pak fantasy.

Where does it say in the resolution that India needs to give such a confirmation?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Seems to be yet another Pak fantasy.

Where does it say in the resolution that India needs to give such a confirmation?

lol. The word plebiscite will give you a clue.

 

[BlackShadow]

You haven't explained why you SUPPORT attacks in Pakistan which kill innocent people?

Firstly, "India's role in attacks in Pakistan" is something only Pakistanis seem to be aware of. Is there one nation (even Pakistani allies) who are in agreement with Pakistan's allegations? Stop presenting it as a fact, because it isn't.

As for your question, I never said that.