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Do Pakistani fans overreact after a loss?

Do Pakistani fans overreact after a loss?

  • Yes

    Votes: 44 81.5%
  • No

    Votes: 10 18.5%

  • Total voters
    54

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Pakistan lost the first ODI against Australia by 93 runs at a neutral venue while India lost against a worse team by a larger margin at home. :narine

Pakistanis are claiming that their team is finished while Indians don't seem to be so bothered and claim that they will come back strongly.

Do we judge the team too harshly?
 
No you don't overreact at all. You are very measured and circumspect.


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Well. Yes in the sense, that nobody appreciated the bowling - that's a positive.
But it cannot be denied that results have been bad for a while.
 
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The sad state is, most young Indian fans are more worried about the losses/wins in CLT20 than this series. They don't care unless it is a world cup match or the IPL
 
Depends. People think the disconnect with Pakistan is something that has happened after one match whereas for me it's gradual so now one can't even state a narrative they have developed over time without being juxtaposed with knee-jerking and wrist slitting.

Pakistan is no longer a good team guys. I don't know how many more series' and losses to Zimbabwe we need before we accept it.
 
Well, you could easily come to a observation that Pakistani fans overreact after a loss when you see a flock of complaint threads after a devastating loss to a weaker team. It's natural for cricket fans to react the way they do. It's a sport. Teams lose. Fans cry. It's all in nature.

Some individuals will tend to overreact than others. Some will reserve their opinion longer than others. We can't generalise.
 
yesterday PP was in meltdown

though tbf it was a harrowing defeat and the worse thing is that the performance was just about par for the team. That is what scares me.
 
Well these are two different things.

Indians will too be extremely bothered if their team collapses for 150 or less in Asia, four games in a row.Losses a test to Zim and carry on selecting mediocre players over and over again.Hint: Afridi and Tanvir.

Things are so bad that majority of people knew that we had lost the match, the moment the XI was named on Monday.
 
yesterday PP was in meltdown

though tbf it was a harrowing defeat and the worse thing is that the performance was just about par for the team. That is what scares me.

This. Everyone knew we had lost the match before it began. Never seen this before for a Pak team.The only thing that I remember being close to this is the tour of Aus in 2010.
 
It's not overreacting anymore.

We fans don't mind losing; what we mind is losing because of dropping deserving players without reason to include crappy players just because they have connections (i.e dropping Maqsood).

India lost at home, but with a full strength squad full of deserving players. If we lose with Hammad, Haris, Maqsood, Raza, Fawad, Umar Akmal in the side, I wouldn't be too disappointed.
 
we do not over react because we are n.o 1 odi side in the world man.after this loss may be on 2nd spot not sure.but pakistan is not and nobody in india even knws that west indies versus india match is going on.even i got to knw at evening after 1 innings.so i hope u understand d difference
 
All sports fans do to be honest. There wouldn't be any fun in sports if you don't go mental after you win or lose, and just said 'alright chaps, better luck next time'.
 
Pakistan cricket is on steep decline. Our batting was never good, but looks like fruits of T20 are with India and all the ill effects in Pakistan. Pakistani batsmen cannot hold the bat or move their feet.

Last hope of bowling was gone with the double A's (Asif/Amir). Unless we stuff team with Chucker's, getting wickets or slowing down the run rate is not possible. Fast bowlers are rarely fast or swinging.

We are getting worse then minnows, we are not good at getting back to our frets either, look at what happen to Hockey it is gone for good. Is cricket next??
 
I am sure Pakistani fans too wouldn't be so bothered if the current ineptness was one of those days where things go wrong. Cant't really blame them for overreacting since Paksitan's teams performances have been consistently poor.
 
Pakistan cricket is on steep decline. Our batting was never good, but looks like fruits of T20 are with India and all the ill effects in Pakistan. Pakistani batsmen cannot hold the bat or move their feet.

Last hope of bowling was gone with the double A's (Asif/Amir). Unless we stuff team with Chucker's, getting wickets or slowing down the run rate is not possible. Fast bowlers are rarely fast or swinging.

We are getting worse then minnows, we are not good at getting back to our frets either, look at what happen to Hockey it is gone for good. Is cricket next??

THIS is called overreaction. Actually the bowling was good and the pacers were up in the 140s, and the spinners Zulfi, Raza and Afridi bowled well.The bowling was tight enough to restrict the Aussies on both occasions,on lifeless pitches.Where were you during the last match?
As far as this 'minnows have better bowling resources than Pakistan ' is concerned,tell me which minnows have you been watching ?
Actually, in no team good fast bowlers come dime a dozen-its usually just one or two ace pacers,at best 5 upcoming pacers who show glimpses of performance but are far from establishing a proper role and the rest are just change bowlers who vary only subtly from each other.And in the spin department, Pakistan still has the richest resources,even with two of the ace spinners missing -bowlers who are essentially established,and a promising bunch in the sidelines who are still a bit raw.No other team has such an abundance of good spinners.
Just look at today`s India vs Windies ODI, both bowling attacks were pathetic, generally-leaked too many runs even for a batting wicket-Pakistan attack would never have done this for sure.But still 'windies and indian bowling,both pace and spin,are miles ahead of our own'.
 
Pakistan fans are the biggest drama queens. Cricket is dying, ship is sinking, It's time to give up and what not. And this wasn't even our best XI. In any case, I'm glad Misbah apologists are starting to see the light.
 
The sad state is, most young Indian fans are more worried about the losses/wins in CLT20 than this series. They don't care unless it is a world cup match or the IPL
Do you blame them? Who cares about India vs West Indies?
 
No we don't overreact now. Being a proper rookie side I am surprised every time we win now. Soon the likes of Scotland and Bangladesh will overtake us.
 
No.

because Pakistan are losing again and again and they don't make the changes to sort the team out and having a hack of a coach also will harm you, what an idiot that Sethi was for wanting to have Waqar back as the coach, and pakistan cricket is dying and the popularity of the sport after the world cup will be pretty low.

They were known for their bowling and that is pretty much gone, many would say Junaid Khan is the best bowler to come out of Pakistan (currently) and look at him this year, they were embarrassed in the Champions Trophy last year, embarrassed in the world T20, nearly lost to Afghanistan and Bangladesh this year in the Asia Cup.

you got to be in some denial if you think pakistan cricket is going somewhere, the only place it's going is right to the bottom.
 
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You don't need the words "after a loss?" in the question
 
I voted yes but i still believe that performance in this year has been so awful that i have seriously started doubting the team myself.
 
I would rather have us overreact at a loss for Pakistan team than having a zombie-like adulation like they are having tonight for Toronto Maple Leafs, a team that hasn't won a Stanley Cup since 1967 and will not win until 2067...
 
I would rather have us overreact at a loss for Pakistan team than having a zombie-like adulation like they are having tonight for Toronto Maple Leafs, a team that hasn't won a Stanley Cup since 1967 and will not win until 2067...

Hahaha. MLSE is about money not winning.
 
Excellent thread. Fans combust after a solitary T20 hit and giggle loss, it's little wonder Pakistani cricketers are under so much pressure when they walk out onto the field the next day, more than most.
 
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India lost at home, but with a full strength squad full of deserving players. If we lose with Hammad, Haris, Maqsood, Raza, Fawad, Umar Akmal in the side, I wouldn't be too disappointed.

Yeah, right. Last night's team had Rayudu and Jadeja, only deserving of being at home and catching someone more competent chase the target on TV.
 
we do not over react because we are n.o 1 odi side in the world man.after this loss may be on 2nd spot not sure.but pakistan is not and nobody in india even knws that west indies versus india match is going on.even i got to knw at evening after 1 innings.so i hope u understand d difference
Delusional aren't you? WI just thrashed us and it was the atrocious captaincy of Dhoni we are way too dependent on Kohli and its going bad for us now unless someone comes to form.
 
Delusional aren't you? WI just thrashed us and it was the atrocious captaincy of Dhoni we are way too dependent on Kohli and its going bad for us now unless someone comes to form.

Pakistani fans... You are not alone :D
 
we do not over react because we are n.o 1 odi side in the world man.after this loss may be on 2nd spot not sure.but pakistan is not and nobody in india even knws that west indies versus india match is going on.even i got to knw at evening after 1 innings.so i hope u understand d difference

Sorry to break it to you, but we've fallen down to #3 in the ODI rankings.
 
Pakistan is no longer a good team guys. I don't know how many more series' and losses to Zimbabwe we need before we accept it.


thats irrelevant, anger comes from the fact that this team barely tries to maximise what resources it has
 
Yeah, right. Last night's team had Rayudu and Jadeja, only deserving of being at home and catching someone more competent chase the target on TV.

Check ODI stats for last two years to know what Jadeja has done for the ODI side. 48 ODIs, 71 wickets@27, 822 runs @49 http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...;spanval1=span;template=results;type=allround

Add to his contributions in the field. After Kohli and Dhoni, Jaddu perhaps will be the 3rd name on any Indian ODI team sheet right now. Gets a lot of unnecessary flak in ODIs
 
So you think we are force to reckon with in Tests?

It was one game dude, Relax... We are not the invincible aussies,
Our bowling sucks as usual,
Batting collapses happen, stars not in form.
Its not like we have ready made, Dale Steyn available for selection.
Batting is iffy, but will click
 
Check ODI stats for last two years to know what Jadeja has done for the ODI side. 48 ODIs, 71 wickets@27, 822 runs @49 http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...;spanval1=span;template=results;type=allround

Add to his contributions in the field. After Kohli and Dhoni, Jaddu perhaps will be the 3rd name on any Indian ODI team sheet right now. Gets a lot of unnecessary flak in ODIs

Most of Jaddu's batting contriution comes in lost causes.
He can hold bat well, his avg. is inflated because of the position he comes at. Not because he is a great batter.
 
Depends. People think the disconnect with Pakistan is something that has happened after one match whereas for me it's gradual so now one can't even state a narrative they have developed over time without being juxtaposed with knee-jerking and wrist slitting.

Pakistan is no longer a good team guys. I don't know how many more series' and losses to Zimbabwe we need before we accept it.

The keyword here.

Its not about a win or loss.

India got owned in NZ 0-4 in the recent ODI series. SA got owned in SL a few years back.

Such stuff happens. The gradual declin (if its there) e is something to be concerned about.
 
Imo Indians have moved on.. We used to be an emotional bunch too until Sachin played. . Now the interest levels are dropping. . It's ok to lose. . That's a fact .
 
Most of Jaddu's batting contriution comes in lost causes.
He can hold bat well, his avg. is inflated because of the position he comes at. Not because he is a great batter.

Dont think thats the case anymore. His knock in CT final, then a couple of knocks each vs England, Pakistan, NZ all in last 12-15 months show that his batting has improved quite a lot. I would stick my neck outto say that f he he is given a run at no. 4, he will do better than some pretenders we have tried recently post Yuraj.
 
Obviosuly Yes... they are too harsh on team pakistan and misbah in particular...

Because of the fans being too harsh the captain, the board and the team management are reluctant to try and test with youngsters or do some experiments... the fear for the fans that if the team loses embarrasingly with yougsters, then fans will cut loose which will result in the sacking of captain , selector and their own jobs..

the fans should also be considerate of pakistan cannot play at home and should keep calm if a youngster fails in his debut series away from home or if a team fails in the series...In the beginning of this year India were drubbed by newzealand in NZL 4-0, all the players are retained and they lost the asia cup too without qualifying for the final and just recently england banged them in the test series and yesterday a full wing indian team face miserable defeat in hands of a lower ranked WI team...nothing serious. pakistan lost to srilanka in srilanka lost in the asia cup final and now lost to the mighty aussies, they are also deprived of playing any home matches... UAE is not their home....

For example let me give you the avg of the top subcontinent cricketers who all played away from home (away from asia), basically their avg will dip down a bit..

Kohli
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...rderby=default;template=results;type=allround

Sanga
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...rderby=default;template=results;type=allround

ganguly
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...orderby=default;template=results;type=batting

mahela
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...orderby=default;template=results;type=batting

pakistanis best in the modern game, just look at their avgs away from home
saeed anwar
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...orderby=default;template=results;type=batting

yousuf
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...orderby=default;template=results;type=batting

inzamam
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...orderby=default;template=results;type=batting



One more thing i would like to show you is the avg of umar akmal and misbahul haq (im not backing his captaincy but have to state the obvious) the two best batsmen in pakistan line up

both of them played most of their matches away from pakistan

misbah is a beast outside pakistan unfortunately he is yet to play in australia and currently been unlucky (cant say that it is out of form)
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...orderby=default;template=results;type=batting


umar akmal
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...orderby=default;template=results;type=batting
 
UAE is not their home....

You can claim UAE is not their home all you like, but it is best suited for team Pakistan over all the other countries. Even the crowd are mostly Pakistan supporters. I don't know what else is missing to call it home conditions
 
You can claim UAE is not their home all you like, but it is best suited for team Pakistan over all the other countries. Even the crowd are mostly Pakistan supporters. I don't know what else is missing to call it home conditions

Tiny 25,000 stadium in the middle of the desert with jahil modern day Pakistani slaves who are most probably drunk and drugged off their faces carrying bizarre blow up animal dolls.

This is not our home my friend.

Home is Gadaffi stadium with 60,000 capacity crowd, that loud roar, Punjabi scent in the air. Thats home.

I can't wait for cricket to return, it will be a week long festival in the build up for the first game.
 
You can claim UAE is not their home all you like, but it is best suited for team Pakistan over all the other countries. Even the crowd are mostly Pakistan supporters. I don't know what else is missing to call it home conditions

Home conditions yes, but still not exactly home. e.g. India isn't exactly at home when playing in Pakistan, Bangladesh, UAE or even Sri Lanka even though conditions are quite closer to how they are at home.
 
You can claim UAE is not their home all you like, but it is best suited for team Pakistan over all the other countries. Even the crowd are mostly Pakistan supporters. I don't know what else is missing to call it home conditions

can i say that UAE is also india's home , as far as i know there are equally more indians compared to the pakistanis too...

spade is a spade ..... and home is a home....
 
Worrying thing is a loss for India is an upset but a loss for us is the norm. I still expect India to win this series whereas I have less hope for us winning the series.
 
yes we do .... but when we lose the series opener, we hardly bounce back.
but I agree with misbah that we need to have confidence.
 
Even if there is a gradual decline, Pakistani fans can take heart from the fact that cricket teams have peaks and troughs - it's all cyclical. For a country with their population and interest in the sport, it'll be a task to remain down for long.
 
It's perhaps not "the loss" itself.

It's the absence of any fighting spirit whatsoever.

The batsmen look, tentative, fearful and clueless. And THAT'S what hurts.

It looks like the focus of the every batsman is to solidify his own spot in the team. So he plays an over cautious innings with a fear in the back of his mind for being dropped if not scored a 50 odd runs.

I think the focus needs to be shifted here. Batsmen must become selfless, and play for the country, and not focus on achieving personal milestones.
 
You can claim UAE is not their home all you like, but it is best suited for team Pakistan over all the other countries. Even the crowd are mostly Pakistan supporters. I don't know what else is missing to call it home conditions

Not being at home in UAE is not a good accuse to loose from quality teams as we do, we really lack quality in all departments for sure.

At the same time UAE are not truly home conditions....

If you look at Pakistan we had far more diverse conditions than 2-3 grounds of UAE offers.

Difference in Climate and Conditions:

Pakistani fast bowlers generally thrive when you can pitch up, let the ball swing. Karachi is famous for evening breeze (sometime morning too) that's the time most of the magic happen. Karachi has being one of the favorite ground, Pakistan mostly win there, draws were rare in past. I think we have lost 2-3 tests at max in Karachi.

Northern Pakistan (Pindi, Peshawar, sometimes even Lahore) is famous for more colder climate in winter that's when bowlers become more dangerous, ball can swing more, some places lot more bounce. Sialkot is famous for green pitches and tests over in 3-4 days.

Since grounds in Pakistan are not so green and climate is such that soil deteriorate, it reverses almost every where. 4/5 days certainly would give you lot of turn.

Remember India Pakistan short series in Jan, all matches were low scoring, ball was swinging, you will not find that in UAE (any time of the year). If they had played in April/May, scores would have being 280+.

Where as in UAE grounds are lush green and wickets are such that they don't change much from day1 to day5. Wickets are slow and low, our fast bowler tend to bowl back of the length to survive, full length goes for plenty, since ball does not swing in pretty one dimensionally weather. They hardly bowl wicket taking lengths. Even spinners try to dry up runs to be effective. New bowlers when come from Pakistan and bowl in UAE they have to change their game to survive, they have to be defensive bowler (bowling defensive lengths) rather than attacking. Some times they get confused why they are not getting wickets, why ball is not swinging, why it is not reverse??

UAE conditions remind me of Multan and Faisalabad (in lower Punjab), almost like desert, very dry no rain. We mostly have draw matches played there, very boring not just to audience but to players as well, except batsmen who use to pent up their averages.

Why Batsmen Fail?

Now Why our batsmen fail so miserably in UAE? - Well part of the blame goes to PCB, if you have guys averaging in late 30s and low 40s playing consistently for national team and the ones who have average near 50 or above side line, what to expect.

Obession with bits and pieces all rounder is another. After Afridi/Razaq Pakistan has this false notion that allrounders are critical elements to team, even if none of the primary skills. This has led to decline of batting even more. Hafeez in last 4 years regularly opened or played at no 3, who is not even a batsmen. Pakistan Top 3 slots are wasted on bits and pieces cricketers. Now even in ODI you have two new balls, that requires even a proper openers, but we have not invested in them. Our top order gives in too early against quality opposition, put more pressure on middle order. You can only score big if somebody in top 3 makes 100, India will struggle as well, if that start to happen regularly.

Top 3 batsmen and bowlers are the most important investments. What PCB has done for that??

Other problem is some how our batsmen are not playing county cricket any more. Pakistanis in past has learned playing swing only after few county seasons. Younis was probably the last one to play any meaningful county cricket. That is also hurting the developed of top order batsman.


Looks like I am giving you excuses, excuses... Right now our cricket is at its bottom, it has cummulative effect of many issues, management, playing conditions, away from home, talent pool shrinking etc...
 
Even if there is a gradual decline, Pakistani fans can take heart from the fact that cricket teams have peaks and troughs - it's all cyclical. For a country with their population and interest in the sport, it'll be a task to remain down for long.

I think only India should play cricket with India. And this is becoming a huge possibility, with these cyclical trends happening to New Zealand, West Indies, Zimbabwe and to a certain extent Australia. Cricket won't have many teams to play with India.
There are international football team visiting to play Pakistan, but cricket has isolated Pakistan and is going to isolate itself.
I hope Misbah stays post World Cup and sucks whats remaining out of Pak cricket for good.

What has cricket given to Pakistan? No matches at home. One or 2 players tainted just before World Cup. There r only insults and misgivings. Its high time cricket and Pakistan part ways. Pakistanis need other sports and cricket needs only India. Lets see how many Indians watch cricket when India plays India.
 
Yeah, right. Last night's team had Rayudu and Jadeja, only deserving of being at home and catching someone more competent chase the target on TV.

Jadeja is a very good all-rounder; Rayudu seems to be a good prospect as well.
 
Do Pakistan fans over react in every almost every circumstance?

I'm quite angry by majority of the Pakistani cricket fans, analysts and former cricketer. I mean in almost every match they pick up a certain thing/incident from almost whole of the match and then keep debating it for days.

It's ridiculous, imagine being a cricket player from Pakistan and you happen to commit a mistake on field. It's mad to think that you are going to be the trending topic in the country for days.
 
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