Do souls meet and converse after death?

[gazza619]

What do different religions say about this? and for souls to meet do they need to be buried in the same area?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Im not scholar(Islam) but from what I know the soul waits in the grave until judgement day.

So no chance of popping over to Ali's for a chat.

I find it strange people believe in ghosts, ie souls of the dead flying around , somtimes making contact. IF some do, why not more?

I would be interested in hearing the views of Hinduism in this regard?

 

[PakLFC]

Absolutely. In Islam we are taught loved ones will be reunited in heaven.

 

[Robert]

We’d like to think so, that there is a place where we all go where is no pain and no harsh words and we are all safe and good to each other forever.

But I don’t believe it.

 

[ElRaja]

What do different religions say about this? and for souls to meet do they need to be buried in the same area?

if I ended up being a wandering ghost the last place id stick around would be near my grave, like I'm already dead so I'm pretty sure I could walk under oceans and stuff, so id just spend my time walking all over the earth.

 

[Justcrazy]

According to Islam once a person dies good souls go to Illyuin and bad souls go to sijjin.

Its called Barzzak life , it is different dimension. Good souls meet each other and have good time where as in sijjin they are punished.

 

[Justcrazy]

Im not scholar(Islam) but from what I know the soul waits in the grave until judgement day.

So no chance of popping over to Ali's for a chat.

I find it strange people believe in ghosts, ie souls of the dead flying around , somtimes making contact. IF some do, why not more?

I would be interested in hearing the views of Hinduism in this regard?

Those whom people see are jinns.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Those whom people see are jinns.

I agree.

Jinns can take any forms. Its sad some think their loved ones are hanging around , watching them or even protecting them.

Have you ever seen a ghost or what we know as Jinn?

 

[Robert]

if I ended up being a wandering ghost the last place id stick around would be near my grave, like I'm already dead so I'm pretty sure I could walk under oceans and stuff, so id just spend my time walking all over the earth.

“Ghost” phenomena appear to be localised though. Perhaps connected with a violent incident. Or not.

I had a very spooky experience once, in the same spot as several work colleagues reported similar.

 

[uberkoen]

I agree.

Jinns can take any forms. Its sad some think their loved ones are hanging around , watching them or even protecting them.

Have you ever seen a ghost or what we know as Jinn?

Jinns don't exist. It's a fairy tale

 

[ElRaja]

“Ghost” phenomena appear to be localised though. Perhaps connected with a violent incident. Or not.

I had a very spooky experience once, in the same spot as several work colleagues reported similar.

maybe there localised because for the most part they are mental projections of ppl that knew the deceased. fwiw im a cynic, i think the ideas of ghosts are primarily a human concession to the wish to not cease to exist after death.

 

[Robert]

maybe there localised because for the most part they are mental projections of ppl that knew the deceased. fwiw im a cynic, i think the ideas of ghosts are primarily a human concession to the wish to not cease to exist after death.

That would be the rational explanation [MENTION=56933]ElRaja[/MENTION].

It wouldn’t explain the phenomenon I experienced though.

I always apply the scientific model first but sometimes it won’t describe phenomena.

 

[James]

“Ghosts” have been theorised as people who have unfinished personal business on Earth which is keeping them strongly tied to the physical world, and they must deal with this issue or set of issues before their soul is ready to move to the next place.

In <I>The Matrix Reloaded</I>, the Oracle states to Neo that whenever one thinks that one has seen a ghost, they are actually an exiled computer program which was selected by the core network for deletion but refused to go to the recycling bin due to a sense of inert defiance, which I always think is an interesting analogy.

Demons meanwhile possibly walk the Earth but within an alternate spiritual dimension, so we cannot see them unless they try to penetrate our own reality, at which point they physically expose themselves briefly. This has been proposed as the method by which a demon possesses a human and later has to be “exorcised”.

 

[Birdman]

If anyone says they have answer to this question; they are lying.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Jinns don't exist. It's a fairy tale

You havent done well proving God doesnt exist.

But as an athiest, do you believe there is no such thing as a soul? Lets discuss your belief or lack of.

 

[KB]

i think the ideas of ghosts are primarily a human concession to the wish to not cease to exist after death.

Irving Finkel, who wrote The First Ghosts, suggests a belief in ghosts is primordial, that it is a fundamental aspect of human nature. He said in an interview:

"I would posit that the concept of something hanging around after death goes back to the very dawn of mankind. Take as an example a Neanderthal burial in which the body is laid out in a prepared grave, in a particular position, alongside special bits and pieces. The point here is this: if you bury somebody in the ground to get rid of them because they’re smelly and dangerous, that’s one thing. But burying them in a special way with goods implies that your expectation is that, once the horrible bodily chemicals have disappeared, something – most likely the essence of the person – comes out of the body and goes on to some kind of afterlife. And my idea is this: if you’re willing to accept that someone’s spirit can disappear over there, it’s a short step to believing that it can come back again.

I think we’re hardwired to believe in ghosts. The most austere, clever scientist in two white coats might look at you as if you’re crazy – but if you make them jump, they will shiver just like everybody else. It’s beneath the skin."

 

[ElRaja]

Irving Finkel, who wrote The First Ghosts, suggests a belief in ghosts is primordial, that it is a fundamental aspect of human nature. He said in an interview:

"I would posit that the concept of something hanging around after death goes back to the very dawn of mankind. Take as an example a Neanderthal burial in which the body is laid out in a prepared grave, in a particular position, alongside special bits and pieces. The point here is this: if you bury somebody in the ground to get rid of them because they’re smelly and dangerous, that’s one thing. But burying them in a special way with goods implies that your expectation is that, once the horrible bodily chemicals have disappeared, something – most likely the essence of the person – comes out of the body and goes on to some kind of afterlife. And my idea is this: if you’re willing to accept that someone’s spirit can disappear over there, it’s a short step to believing that it can come back again.

I think we’re hardwired to believe in ghosts. The most austere, clever scientist in two white coats might look at you as if you’re crazy – but if you make them jump, they will shiver just like everybody else. It’s beneath the skin."

I'm not sure if that refutes (or was meant to) what I said, I'm simply wondering about the motivation behind why so many people believe in ghosts and the most base level, I'm not saying whether they are right or wrong to do so.

the idea of spirit, soul, whatever u may call it, is intrinsically linked to existential questions of the greatest magnitude, so it's not surprising that our ancestors would have felt the same curiosity as soon as there was the presence of any self-awareness.

 

[Justcrazy]

I agree.

Jinns can take any forms. Its sad some think their loved ones are hanging around , watching them or even protecting them.

Have you ever seen a ghost or what we know as Jinn?

There is a jinn with is always with human , it is called Qareen or Hamzad , it looks like the person with whom he or she is.

Since Jinns life span is much much more than a human when a human dies , jinn still lives along , and people who see them mistake them for own deceased relatives etc.

I have seen on some occasions. The first one I saw was a women jinn probably a Hindu Jinn because she was wearing a saree and had vermillion on her forehead .

 

[gazza619]

You havent done well proving God doesnt exist.

But as an athiest, do you believe there is no such thing as a soul? Lets discuss your belief or lack of.

After a human dies, the body mass drops massively which science cant explain, so that is of course the soul.

 

[KB]

I'm not sure if that refutes (or was meant to)

The intention was to supplement and not refute.

 

[ElRaja]

After a human dies, the body mass drops massively which science cant explain, so that is of course the soul.

this is a modern myth for which there is no evidence

The intention was to supplement and not refute.

ahh, understood.

 

[Robert]

You havent done well proving God doesnt exist.

It’s logically impossible to prove a negative proposition.

For example: you cannot prove the lack of existence of unicorns. They might be there, we just haven’t found one yet. But in the complete lack of absence of evidence of unicorns, it is more parsimonious to state that they do not exist.

 

[uberkoen]

You havent done well proving God doesnt exist.

But as an athiest, do you believe there is no such thing as a soul? Lets discuss your belief or lack of.

wow. Please understand that the onus of the proof is on the one making the claim. You claim God exists. What is the proof? Absence of proof for his existence means he doesn't exist.

Since there is no proof of God, Soul of Jinns we can safely assume none of these things exist.

 

[MenInG]

Please stay close to topic of this thread.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Jinns don't exist. It's a fairy tale

Does "hope" exist?

If yes, prove it.

If not, you don't believe in hope, which means you are "hopeless", isn't it?

This is what I usually think of Atheists. "Hopeless".

 

[uberkoen]

Does "hope" exist?

If yes, prove it.

If not, you don't believe in hope, which means you are "hopeless", isn't it?

This is what I usually think of Atheists. "Hopeless".

hope isn't a manifestation of a being. It's a feeling. Does happiness exist? Can you prove it? If no, then you're unhappy? Your logic doesn't make sense at all. Nice try though.

 

[Robert]

Does "hope" exist?

If yes, prove it.

If not, you don't believe in hope, which means you are "hopeless", isn't it?

This is what I usually think of Atheists. "Hopeless".

“Hope” is an abstract noun. Something you can’t extract a kilo of, or cut a metre off of, and put in a box.

Atheists can be hopeful. Just not of anything for themselves past the point of their death.

 

[KingKhanWC]

wow. Please understand that the onus of the proof is on the one making the claim. You claim God exists. What is the proof? Absence of proof for his existence means he doesn't exist.

Since there is no proof of God, Soul of Jinns we can safely assume none of these things exist.

Proof is also required if you insist there is no creator.

You can disprove this by accepting the challenge in the Quran. Souls are not accepted by athiests, mostly religious people.

It’s logically impossible to prove a negative proposition.

For example: you cannot prove the lack of existence of unicorns. They might be there, we just haven’t found one yet. But in the complete lack of absence of evidence of unicorns, it is more parsimonious to state that they do not exist.

See above.

But again, as an atheist what is your view on the soul?

 

[James]

wow. Please understand that the onus of the proof is on the one making the claim. You claim God exists. What is the proof? Absence of proof for his existence means he doesn't exist.

Since there is no proof of God, Soul of Jinns we can safely assume none of these things exist.

Belief in God and Jinns, ghosts, demons, etc is a matter of faith; or, better yet, belief.

Much of day to day life depends on what we believe. Not just in terms of religion. Also in terms of morals, culture, feelings, making decisions, etc.

Everyone depends on beliefs, all of the time. Beliefs and belief systems are at the core of human existence and discourse.

 

[uberkoen]

Belief in God and Jinns, ghosts, demons, etc is a matter of faith; or, better yet, belief.

Much of day to day life depends on what we believe. Not just in terms of religion. Also in terms of morals, culture, feelings, making decisions, etc.

Everyone depends on beliefs, all of the time. Beliefs and belief systems are at the core of human existence and discourse.

This is a good answer. Thank you