Do you agree that we need someone like Fawad Alam in Tests?

[hussain.r97]

The Australian series that you are talking about is ODIs. Even Azhar/Shafiq were exposed at ODI level.

In tests, he was forced to open the innings thanks to Misbah/Shoaib lobby and still did well in just 3 Tests. If Mr. Technique Asad Shafiq with no skills can play lots of test matches with no match winning performance then suspicion will always be there on our politicized Selectors.

The nature of Fawad Alam's failure in ODIs trancends all formats. Asad failed due to his timidness while Azhar failed due to lack of attacking ability. Fawad Alam on the other hand failed because he is unable to clear the 30 yard circle, lacks shots, and does not get into a good position when he strikes the ball. Him and Chanderpaul are two totally different batsmen because Chanderpaul always got into a good position while striking the ball, Fawad steps too far over and ends up falling.

Due to the nature of his failure, I don't see Fawad doing any better than Azhar Ali, at best a 40 averaging batsman who strikes at around 35-40, and is unable to increase his strike rate. Someone like Saud Shakeel or Saad Ali will be a much better option.

 

[aukhan]

Undoubtedly he would have performed far better than Asad "deer in the headlights" Shafiq

 

[Bilal7]

The nature of Fawad Alam's failure in ODIs trancends all formats. Asad failed due to his timidness while Azhar failed due to lack of attacking ability. Fawad Alam on the other hand failed because he is unable to clear the 30 yard circle, lacks shots, and does not get into a good position when he strikes the ball. Him and Chanderpaul are two totally different batsmen because Chanderpaul always got into a good position while striking the ball, Fawad steps too far over and ends up falling.

Due to the nature of his failure, I don't see Fawad doing any better than Azhar Ali, at best a 40 averaging batsman who strikes at around 35-40, and is unable to increase his strike rate. Someone like Saud Shakeel or Saad Ali will be a much better option.

Except that Azhar is a 45-averaging batsman and has batted in the top order where batting slowly is of benefit to the team.

Fawad could have had a long career if he was willing to open the innings for Pakistan. However, IIRC, he decided that he was only going to bat in the middle-order and therefore, got lost in the shuffle.

 

[Manager101]

In past, we had Asim Kamal who became the target of favoritism when Mr. Inzamam was captain and instead of him Faisal Iqbal was given lots of opportunities, now as a selector, he has ignored Fawad Alam Unjustly and still selecting Mr. Technique Asad Shafiq even after his feeble contribution with bat.

 

[mesmerizer85]

So today also Mr Professor Hafeez gifts his wicket to NZ. Where are his fans hiding? This guy has ruined the careers and as a result the whole performance of our team

 

[JibranAnsari]

Too old now , he missed a very deserved career. Very unlucky.

 

[hussain.r97]

Except that Azhar is a 45-averaging batsman and has batted in the top order where batting slowly is of benefit to the team.

Fawad could have had a long career if he was willing to open the innings for Pakistan. However, IIRC, he decided that he was only going to bat in the middle-order and therefore, got lost in the shuffle.

Nothing against Azhar Ali, he is valuable as a top order batsman. However, there is only room for one player like Azhar in the team, and Fawad is far inferior. On top of Fawad's obvious problems, there is almost no chance of him scoring runs outside Asia, while Azhar is equipped to do so.

 

[angeldsoul]

Fawad actually scored runs when played in Australia and England in odis when the rest of the team was failing. He never got a try in tests. And Hussain I keep on mentioning it that fawad has s higher first class strike rate than any batsmen in Pakistan test team also higher than that of inzimam and younis Khan and miandad
He strikes at about 56% rate

 

[angeldsoul]

Fawad actually scored runs when played in Australia and England in odis when the rest of the team was failing. He never got a try in tests. And Hussain I keep on mentioning it that fawad has s higher first class strike rate than any batsmen in Pakistan test team also higher than that of inzimam and younis Khan and miandad
He strikes at about 56% rate

He has played 8 matches in aus and england in total odis and his stats are pretty decent but we are not trying to get him into odi squad only the test team!!! I have foltered his results for england and australia only.

Mats
8

Inns
8

Runs
270

Ave
38.57

SR
72.58

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

We need all those hard workers who are ready to toil in tough conditions.

We need Fawad Alam, Saad Ali and Saud Shakeel. The first two deserve to be there first as Saud still has time.

Haris has proved once again that its no joke to average 50+ in Pak FC.

 

[asfandyar]

The nature of Fawad Alam's failure in ODIs trancends all formats. Asad failed due to his timidness while Azhar failed due to lack of attacking ability. Fawad Alam on the other hand failed because he is unable to clear the 30 yard circle, lacks shots, and does not get into a good position when he strikes the ball. Him and Chanderpaul are two totally different batsmen because Chanderpaul always got into a good position while striking the ball, Fawad steps too far over and ends up falling.

Due to the nature of his failure, I don't see Fawad doing any better than Azhar Ali, at best a 40 averaging batsman who strikes at around 35-40, and is unable to increase his strike rate. Someone like Saud Shakeel or Saad Ali will be a much better option.

Classic PP with self-proclaimed, armchair experts posting dross. I posted some stats a few years back, where Sarfraz, Fawad and Haris were the best strike rotators in List-A.

Fawad cannot hit boundaries, I'll give you that. I'll also accept for the sake of argument that he can't clear the 30 yards circle. Somebody tell this guy that a large part of test cricket is in fact played within that 30 yards circle (unlike ODIs).

 

[mesmerizer85]

People stating that he can't hit boundaries are forgetting those 3 sixes in a row he had hit in a T20 vs Srilanka in Canada.

 

[angeldsoul]

His t20 strike rate is 115 which compared to a lot of Pakistani batsmen is actually pretty good!!!

 

[angeldsoul]

Also fawad has excellent strike rotation very good against spin and can bowl -would be one of the fittest in the squad and one of the best fielders too and has bundles of experience so won't get under pressure easy.....why not try him in the next test??

 

[hussain.r97]

Classic PP with self-proclaimed, armchair experts posting dross. I posted some stats a few years back, where Sarfraz, Fawad and Haris were the best strike rotators in List-A.

Fawad cannot hit boundaries, I'll give you that. I'll also accept for the sake of argument that he can't clear the 30 yards circle. Somebody tell this guy that a large part of test cricket is in fact played within that 30 yards circle (unlike ODIs).

Once again, stats are not the sole criteria for selection. Didn't you see how brutally he was exposed by the Australians? After which he couldn't even buy a run against Sri Lanka or Bangladesh. There is a good reason he was never really looked at as a good option by the selectors, same most likely goes for the likes of Sadaf Hussain.

 

[angeldsoul]

Once again, stats are not the sole criteria for selection. Didn't you see how brutally he was exposed by the Australians? After which he couldn't even buy a run against Sri Lanka or Bangladesh. There is a good reason he was never really looked at as a good option by the selectors, same most likely goes for the likes of Sadaf Hussain.

Dude no one wants him in the damn ish team!!!!!!!!!
And yes he had 5 failures in odis in a row that's after he had 6 amazing scores in a row before that. But no one needs him in odis!!!!!!!!

 

[hussain.r97]

Dude no one wants him in the damn ish team!!!!!!!!!
And yes he had 5 failures in odis in a row that's after he had 6 amazing scores in a row before that. But no one needs him in odis!!!!!!!!

Read my previous posts. I am aware people want him in Tests, but the fact is that the nature of his failure in ODIs won't allow him to succeed in Test cricket either, he has too many technical flaws.

 

[mesmerizer85]

Better after Hafeez, now Sarfraz should retire and give chance to Fawad alam

 

[mesmerizer85]

Read my previous posts. I am aware people want him in Tests, but the fact is that the nature of his failure in ODIs won't allow him to succeed in Test cricket either, he has too many technical flaws.

Can you highlight any good player in PAK current team who has a great technique and can average above 50??

 

[ahmadharis1]

There is absolutely no logical reason he should not at least be given a run in the test team

 

[mesmerizer85]

@Saj: please for the sake of Pak fans I would like you to pass on this message to let Sarfraz handover his test captaincy to Azhar, and make way for someone like Fawad Alam.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Pakistan needs more test quality batsmen period, not sure how bringing in Fawad is going to make much difference. He's just another in a long list of players who can score runs at domestic level, but get found out against top quality bowlers of international standard.

 

[Pete Rose]

No

 

[We Bleed Green]

Fawad Alam has the best first class average in the history of Pakistan. Better than Inzamam , Better than Miandad, Better than Younis Khan, Better than M Yousaf, Better than Zaheer Abbas.

Fawad Alam has one of the best first class average in the history of Cricket and Planet Earth.

Fawad Alam is the symbol of the greatest injustice to a sports player in the history.

 

[We Bleed Green]

All the Anti Fawad Posters does not have the mental capacity to understand that in Cricket, only one thing matters and that is runs, regardless of how you score them, whether there are fours, sixes, singles or doubles and this is exactly what Fawad does. He scores runs.

He did them in tests, he did them in first class. The people who talk about his strike rate are complete idiots as strike rate does not matter in tests. Its not like Fawad has strike rate of 10. In tests his strike rate is 56, which is same as Virat Kohli.

Problem is these anti fawad poster chat rubbish. They can not pull out a single stat which goes against Fawad whether that is average, strike rate, runs etc so they just say, he does not have technique so you can average 56 and score 10,000 runs without technique?

He cant clear 30 yard circle so he scored those 10,000 runs on 5 yard circle?

 

[ARK Rafay]

Yes

 

[We Bleed Green]

The nature of Fawad Alam's failure in ODIs trancends all formats. Asad failed due to his timidness while Azhar failed due to lack of attacking ability. Fawad Alam on the other hand failed because he is unable to clear the 30 yard circle, lacks shots, and does not get into a good position when he strikes the ball. Him and Chanderpaul are two totally different batsmen because Chanderpaul always got into a good position while striking the ball, Fawad steps too far over and ends up falling.

Due to the nature of his failure, I don't see Fawad doing any better than Azhar Ali, at best a 40 averaging batsman who strikes at around 35-40, and is unable to increase his strike rate. Someone like Saud Shakeel or Saad Ali will be a much better option.

I dont agree but even for a second we assume that he will average 40 with strike rate of 40 (Actual stike rate for him is 56, same as Kohli) then he will still be better than most of our current players.

By the way Rahul Dravid strike rate was also between 35-40.

Better stick to IPL mate. You know nothing about test cricket. Only a fool will talk about strike rate and not runs in test cricket

 

[hussain.r97]

I dont agree but even for a second we assume that he will average 40 with strike rate of 40 (Actual stike rate for him is 56, same as Kohli) then he will still be better than most of our current players.

By the way Rahul Dravid strike rate was also between 35-40.

Better stick to IPL mate. You know nothing about test cricket. Only a fool will talk about strike rate and not runs in test cricket

Never said there is something wrong with striking between 35-40, but the issue is all our players strike in that range. In this era, you need someone who can amp things up to an SR of 60, every team has such players because they all come in handy at specific points of a test match.

I don't care if Fawad Alam has a Test SR of 56, he has played almost all of his 3 match career against Sri Lanka on the most batting friendly wickets possible. All I know is that with his technique and style of play, there is no way he will be able to consistently score runs at the highest level, let alone at a healthy strike rate.

For the record, I don't watch IPL

 

[Manager101]

Never said there is something wrong with striking between 35-40, but the issue is all our players strike in that range. In this era, you need someone who can amp things up to an SR of 60, every team has such players because they all come in handy at specific points of a test match.

I don't care if Fawad Alam has a Test SR of 56, he has played almost all of his 3 match career against Sri Lanka on the most batting friendly wickets possible. All I know is that with his technique and style of play, there is no way he will be able to consistently score runs at the highest level, let alone at a healthy strike rate.

For the record, I don't watch IPL

You are just assuming that he won't score runs in bowling friendly wickets just based on his technique while ignoring his overall FC statistics, runs, etc.

 

[angeldsoul]

Never said there is something wrong with striking between 35-40, but the issue is all our players strike in that range. In this era, you need someone who can amp things up to an SR of 60, every team has such players because they all come in handy at specific points of a test match.

I don't care if Fawad Alam has a Test SR of 56, he has played almost all of his 3 match career against Sri Lanka on the most batting friendly wickets possible. All I know is that with his technique and style of play, there is no way he will be able to consistently score runs at the highest level, let alone at a healthy strike rate.

For the record, I don't watch IPL

Calling fawad alam test debut match batting friendly is a joke. It was a minefield of a pitch and he was forced to oprn where he doesn't play ever in domestic!
https://www.pcb.com.pk/pakistan-in-sri-lanka-2009/match/13555.html

Check out the figures pak actually got bowled out for 90 in the first innings. He made 168 in 2nd innings against peak mendis and hearth where the rest if team just collapsed apart from younis......stop being so blinkered!!!

 

[angeldsoul]

Never said there is something wrong with striking between 35-40, but the issue is all our players strike in that range. In this era, you need someone who can amp things up to an SR of 60, every team has such players because they all come in handy at specific points of a test match.

I don't care if Fawad Alam has a Test SR of 56, he has played almost all of his 3 match career against Sri Lanka on the most batting friendly wickets possible. All I know is that with his technique and style of play, there is no way he will be able to consistently score runs at the highest level, let alone at a healthy strike rate.

For the record, I don't watch IPL

Also he only played 2 against Sri Lanka and one against new Zealand in new Zealand. Was treated very harshly!!!!

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

I don't care how he plays, but someone with a FC average of 55+ and 25 + hundreds deserve to get a constant run with the national team.

It's a crime a travesty that someone like this got ignored for years. Selecting 30+ averaging guys like Shafiq instead has cost us many series.

Fawad would have averaged 60+ in the UAE batting at 5. Instead we only lost most of the series from 2016 on

 

[angeldsoul]

Fawad is needed instead of shafiq at 4 or 5. Would be perfect foil at the moment. Could even be considered for test captaincy ala misbah....