Do you agree with split-decision in the Deontay Wilder & Tyson Fury bout?

[MenInG]

Deontay Wilder dropped Tyson Fury twice, but Fury also outboxed him for long stretches, leaving the judges a lot to pick from. In the end, they couldn't decide, and the heavyweight world championship fight was ruled a split draw Saturday night at the Staples Center.

Wilder nearly stopped Fury in the 12th round with a hard knockdown, but Fury survived and stormed back for a memorable round of the year candidate in a fight that is likely to see a sequel.

Judge Alejandro Rochin, of Mexico, scored the fight 115-111 for Wilder, Canadian judge Robert Tapper had it 114-110 for Fury and British judge Phil Edwards had it 113-113 as both fighters remained unbeaten. ESPN.com scored it 114-112 for Wilder, who retained his belt for the eighth time. Fury retained the lineal championship.

From the moment the fight was made, Wilder promised he would do to Fury what he has done to every man he has faced, and that meant knocking him out. He came close, dropping Fury in the ninth round and again in the final round, but Fury showed the same kind of heart that helped him overcome the nightmare of the past three years since he won three major titles and the lineal title three years ago this week in a monumental upset of longtime champion Wladimir Klitschko.

But Fury never defended the belts as his life went into a downward spiral because of drug and alcohol abuse, mental health issues - including depression and suicidal thoughts -- and enormous weight gain from around 260 pounds to 400.

But Fury, in part with motivation from Wilder, eventually got his life under contro and returned to the ring in June after a 31-month layoff and won two fights in a row before agreeing to face Wilder.

He said winning would be "the first chapter of a new storybook, the beginning of a new life, a new era of Tyson Fury." But even though he did not win his comeback from the depths of addiction and mental illness remains something to behold as he and Wilder gave the fans a memorable, tension-filled fight.

http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/...-tyson-fury-fight-draw-heavyweight-title-bout

 

[blackanhyellow]

highway robbery.

Fury won.

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

After the second brutal knockdown, I was sure it would be a draw.

Fury showed incredible resilience to get up from the second knockdown in the 12th round, and then to actually go on the offense and nail Wilder with good punches to ensure Wilder wouldn't try anything else for the rest of the round.

Technically Fury should have won the fight on a close points decision imo but I don't really think either fighter deserved to lose either.

It certainly was nowhere close to a scandalous robbery. That's for fights like Lewis-Holyfield 1.

 

[Suleiman]

It was close, still it was Fury's, that hispanic judge botched it lmao. The commentators here were going crazy on him saying he shouldn't work a day in boxing again.

 

[shaz619]

It was absolutely DISGUSTING, they did the same to Lennox Lewis when he fought Holyfield but this was 100x worse, ironically Lennox predicted it would be a draw, he knows first hand what these morons would do.

Fury won very very compatibly and out boxed Wilder putting on a master class, Fury won 10 rounds and only lost 2 due to the knock downs. Wilder was chasing shadows all night and the crowd was kept silent while his head was jabbed off and he constantly ate right hands, he just had no answer to the movement and ring generalship of Tyson Fury. Just compare the two facially to see who won, if you're having trouble scoring it then the damage done more then answers your questions.

Wilder was couragous, displayed a chin and kept trying; even managed to land a couple of hail mary's but was made to look like a novice, what on earth are people watching? oh my god, no words.

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

I thought the commentators on the broadcast I watched were a little biased, giving a few early rounds to Fury that could have gone either way. And I gave 1-2 of the early rounds to Wilder on aggression while Fury was showboating but not doing anything either. And maybe I think round 5 also to Wilder. Combined with two 10-8 rounds for Wilder, a draw was going to be a strong possibility.

Two scorecards were out of whack imo. The British judge who scored it even was the closest to the fight I saw.

 

[shaz619]

This fight wasn't remotely close or competitive, GGG / Canelo encounters were just watch those fights. What on earth did Wilder do besides those two knock downs ? he wasn't able to land anything clean, Tyson rolled with his right hand countless times and was never bothered in that fight outside those two knock downs. It was like watching a heavyweight Floyd Mayweather except Fury held the centre as well, Wilder actually had gassed despite Fury not being match fit and in active; he was out classed in every facet, work rate, damage caused, pace , space and ring generalship.

 

[shaz619]

Assuming am blind and 3 out of the first 3 rounds were all swing, Fury would still have won the fight. That British judge should be fired permanently, bloody national disgrace! he's a bigger disgrace then David Cameron!

 

[Adijazz1706]

That Hispanic dude is clearly blind, bloody hell!

 

[Kashmirilion]

Fury was robbed and this was fixed for a rematch. Exactly the reason why AJ don't want to fight in the US.

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

Two 10-8 rounds for Wilder with the knockdowns is like winning 4 rounds.

If he wins just two of the rest of the ten rounds, that's a draw. And there were at least a couple of rounds that could be given to Wilder over Fury.

The judge that had Wilder winning 115-111 was pretty bad, but I don't think the overall result is a robbery at all.

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

Actually, he would need to win 3 rounds, not two in my example above. Still close with 2, and not a robbery.

 

[CricketDon]

It was absolutely DISGUSTING, they did the same to Lennox Lewis when he fought Holyfield but this was 100x worse, ironically Lennox predicted it would be a draw, he knows first hand what these morons would do.

You can't be a fully functioning human being if you believe this was not a scandalous robbery and need to be drug tested immediately. Fury won very very compatibly and out boxed Wilder putting on a master class, Fury won 10 rounds and only lost 2 due to the knock downs. Wilder was chasing shadows all night and the crowd was kept silent while his head was jabbed off and he constantly ate right hands, he just had no answer to the movement and ring generalship of Tyson Fury. Just compare the two facially to see who won, if you're having trouble scoring it then the damage done more then answers your questions.

Wilder was couragous, displayed a chin and kept trying; even managed to land a couple of hail mary's but was made to look like a novice, what on earth are people watching? oh my god, no words.

I disagreed with you on another boxing thread on fury beating wilder and I hold my hands up to that.

Fury out classed and outboxed wilder all night and made him look silly. I personally had it 10 rounds too 2. With fury being the winner. How one judge gave wilder the first 4 rounds is shocking. The Mexican judge was clearly on drugs. Also the British referee had it a draw and honestly he should have his passport revoked.

 

[Savak]

I am being very generous here. Max I have to Wilder was three rounds. He looked like a very incompetent boxer tonight

 

[shaz619]

I disagreed with you on another boxing thread on fury beating wilder and I hold my hands up to that.

Fury out classed and outboxed wilder all night and made him look silly. I personally had it 10 rounds too 2. With fury being the winner. How one judge gave wilder the first 4 rounds is shocking. The Mexican judge was clearly on drugs. Also the British referee had it a draw and honestly he should have his passport revoked.

That's fine mate, this wasn't an easy fight to call regardless. I agree with your scoring, since Wilder wins 2 rounds with knock down he gets that extra point which means in the scoring system Fury still wins 8-4 compatibly. Beyond me how people saw the fight much closer. Regardless Fury will return home a champion, even those who have not been his fans including the likes of Hearn have praised him.

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

That's fine mate, this wasn't an easy fight to call regardless. I agree with your scoring, since Wilder wins 2 rounds with knock down he gets that extra point which means in the scoring system Fury still wins 8-4 compatibly. Beyond me how people saw the fight much closer. Regardless Fury will return home a champion, even those who have not been his fans including the likes of Hearn have praised him.

So what is your score for the fight? Because in case you don't know, it goes on points, not on rounds.

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

Here's the scorecard for the fight. All three judges gave the first round to Wilder, as did I.

You add two more rounds for Wilder aside from the knock down rounds and it's a draw. If you give him just one more round, then it's still a close points loss.

Not a robbery.

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

Also, in the middle scorecard, the one where the fight goes to Fury, the judge's math was wrong. It was later corrected to 114-112 for Fury.

 

[blackanhyellow]

View attachment 86057

Here's the scorecard for the fight. All three judges gave the first round to Wilder, as did I.

You add two more rounds for Wilder aside from the knock down rounds and it's a draw. If you give him just one more round, then it's still a close points loss.

Not a robbery.

Look at that first score card.

115 - 111 to Wilder is ridiculous. That judge had Wilder ahead after the 8 round. Like what????

That alone shows the robbery, such a farce score card.

I think within the next couple of days when we get reactions from pro boxers, the over whelming majority will say Fury won that fight.

Even Lennox Lewis was saying he had Fury miles ahead.

 

[IMMY69]

Slept through the entire fight....

Will have to watch it later but whenever i’ve Seen Wilder, he’s been disappointing... never rated him
Even without having seen this fight clearly Fury is on a different level with his inactivity and with what he had been through mentally....

Does it not surprise anyone that Wilder took this fight in the first place? Shows you more what Wilder is about then anything else...

 

[Musakhel]

Joshu Knocks out both these guys.

 

[Suleiman]

Tyson getting all the reporters to sing with him in post match lol.

Guy has a big heart. Gypsy Afridi

 

[AAli98]

After the 2nd brutal knockdown, that was the longest 10 count in history by the ref!

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Fair result I thought. Although Fury was winning the majority of the rounds technically, all of those were quite close, neither fighter was really dominating. The knockdowns definitely had the bigger impact, and the one in the final round was virtually a KO. Tellingly neither fighter really argued too much over the result.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

After the 2nd brutal knockdown, that was the longest 10 count in history by the ref!

Yeah I thought I was imagining it, probably saved Fury from getting stopped, Wilder is normally a brutal finisher, but that gave Fury enough of a recovery to get his bearings again.

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

Look at that first score card.

115 - 111 to Wilder is ridiculous. That judge had Wilder ahead after the 8 round. Like what????

That alone shows the robbery, such a farce score card.

I think within the next couple of days when we get reactions from pro boxers, the over whelming majority will say Fury won that fight.

Even Lennox Lewis was saying he had Fury miles ahead.

Yes, i agree that the 115-111 scorecard is ridiculous.

But I don't think the end result of a draw is ridiculous or a robbery. The challenger got knocked down twice and the second time brutally.

There were a lot of close rounds in the first half of the fight.

Showboating and bobbing your head around doesn't mean you're winning the fight when you're landing nothing substantial yourself either.

I can see the 114-112 scorecard being fair. I can also see the 113-113 scorecard being fair.

In other words, not a robbery like for instance Lewis-Holyfield 1. Lewis was comparing the result to his fight with Holyfield, but really that's not a good comparison at all, because Holyfield did not come close to knocking down Lewis even once, let alone twice.

 

[shaz619]

So what is your score for the fight? Because in case you don't know, it goes on points, not on rounds.

Points awarded and rounds won are intertwined. Am sure you can work out my score of 116-110 in favour of Tyson when I give Wilder a couple of rounds for those knock-downs. I can make a case for giving him round 2 bringing it to 115-111 in favour of Fury.

View attachment 86057

Here's the scorecard for the fight. All three judges gave the first round to Wilder, as did I.

You add two more rounds for Wilder aside from the knock down rounds and it's a draw. If you give him just one more round, then it's still a close points loss.

Not a robbery.

If we are scoring from POV of one fighter e.g Wilder then we will award him a round based on any reason, even punching shadows. The first 3 rounds can generally be considered as swing rounds and we can determine this also based on the lack of activity from both fighters when the fight is still warming up, so Deontay being awarded either of these doesn't reflect his overall performance in the fight or the damage caused to his face; so you giving him Rd 1 , 2 or 3 for the sake of it means absolutely nothing but I struggle to see exactly how someone would make the decision to give him 2 out of the first 3 rounds. The guy on the left had Wilder up by 4 rounds at one point and scored it in his favour by 115-111, if that isn't crooked decision I don't know what is, this is why we have a robbery. A pathetic decision which can't be defended.

 

[Saj]

I didn't watch the fight, but speaking with people who did, they reckon Fury should have got the decision?

 

[shaz619]

I didn't watch the fight, but speaking with people who did, they reckon Fury should have got the decision?

100% he won quiet emphatically, Wilder's punch out put per round was well below the heavyweight average and that was due to Fury's ring generalship, feints and evasiveness and as the fight progressed Wilder would eat more jabs and right hands. Fury was the more active of the two and landed more cleaner blows, you can actually count on one hand the number of clean blows landed by Wilder who deserves credit for his courage but he was simply out-boxed, it was Fury master class.

 

[shaz619]

Yes, i agree that the 115-111 scorecard is ridiculous.

But I don't think the end result of a draw is ridiculous or a robbery. The challenger got knocked down twice and the second time brutally.

There were a lot of close rounds in the first half of the fight.

Showboating and bobbing your head around doesn't mean you're winning the fight when you're landing nothing substantial yourself either.

I can see the 114-112 scorecard being fair. I can also see the 113-113 scorecard being fair.

In other words, not a robbery like for instance Lewis-Holyfield 1. Lewis was comparing the result to his fight with Holyfield, but really that's not a good comparison at all, because Holyfield did not come close to knocking down Lewis even once, let alone twice.

What on earth did Wilder land in the first half , unless you're landing power punches the guy who is working more and controlling the pace will get awarded the round, it's boxing 101 and they call it the sweet science for a reason. Beyond me why Wilder should be awarded this fight or have it deemed an acceptable decision purely because he scored a couple of knock downs, fights are not determined based on how many knock downs you are able to get under your belt. If that's the case then sure Wilder won / deserves a draw lmao

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

100% he won quiet emphatically, Wilder's punch out put per round was well below the heavyweight average and that was due to Fury's ring generalship, feints and evasiveness and as the fight progressed Wilder would eat more jabs and right hands. Fury was the more active of the two and landed more cleaner blows, you can actually count on one hand the number of clean blows landed by Wilder who deserves credit for his courage but he was simply out-boxed, it was Fury master class.

Not how I saw it at all. Fury was definitely a bit busier but he didn't land many shots either. He would have deservedly won if he hadn't been put down twice, but he was, he was flat on the canvas seeing stars in the final round. He could count himself lucky that the ref let him clear his head when he got back up otherwise he'd probably have been knocked spark out. He was definitely groggy while the ref was giving him that extra few seconds.

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

Points awarded and rounds won are intertwined. Am sure you can work out my score of 116-110 in favour of Tyson when I give Wilder a couple of rounds for those knock-downs. I can make a case for giving him round 2 bringing it to 115-111 in favour of Fury.



If we are scoring from POV of one fighter e.g Wilder then we will award him a round based on any reason, even punching shadows. The first 3 rounds can generally be considered as swing rounds and we can determine this also based on the lack of activity from both fighters when the fight is still warming up, so Deontay being awarded either of these doesn't reflect his overall performance in the fight or the damage caused to his face; so you giving him Rd 1 , 2 or 3 for the sake of it means absolutely nothing but I struggle to see exactly how someone would make the decision to give him 2 out of the first 3 rounds. The guy on the left had Wilder up by 4 rounds at one point and scored it in his favour by 115-111, if that isn't crooked decision I don't know what is, this is why we have a robbery. A pathetic decision which can't be defended.

You said if you give him 2 rounds for the knockdowns, that's 8-4 in rounds. It would not make it 8-4 "compatibly" and that's not how you determine how fights are won with knockdowns in it. I tried to discretely point this out to you. And btw, I've been watching boxing since the early 90s.

Have a look beyond your own strong bias. You can argue that Fury should have gotten a close points decision, as I mentioned in an earlier post, but that's it. Other unbiased people can easily see how Wilder arguably picked up at least a couple of the rounds outside of the knockdown rounds.

 

[shaz619]

You said if you give him 2 rounds for the knockdowns, that's 8-4 in rounds. It would not make it 8-4 "compatibly" and that's not how you determine how fights are won with knockdowns in it. I tried to discretely point this out to you. And btw, I've been watching boxing since the early 90s.

Have a look beyond your own strong bias. You can argue that Fury should have gotten a close points decision, as I mentioned in an earlier post, but that's it. Other unbiased people can easily see how Wilder arguably picked up at least a couple of the rounds outside of the knockdown rounds.

You interpreted it out of context and I made an error there which I accept but don't bother scoring fights while am actually watching them, instead I just enjoy the event.

Like I said, power punches are given precedence over work rate; but if you're not landing them then the guy controlling the pace will win the rounds. So anyone giving Wilder more then a round outside those by knock down are just trying to come up with any reason to award him the rounds, he was out-boxed emphatically and the damage can be seen on his face, that's a reflection of what he had to endure over 12 rounds. He deserves credit for a couple of knock downs but beyond that he did very little and no one can ever justify this draw, Fury won the fight.

 

[shaz619]

Not how I saw it at all. Fury was definitely a bit busier but he didn't land many shots either. He would have deservedly won if he hadn't been put down twice, but he was, he was flat on the canvas seeing stars in the final round. He could count himself lucky that the ref let him clear his head when he got back up otherwise he'd probably have been knocked spark out. He was definitely groggy while the ref was giving him that extra few seconds.

If Fury was busier and Wilder wasn't landing anything why should Deontay be awarded the round ? the guy who is controlling the pace gets the nod and also for his activity. If we look at the fact that he was busier and landed cleaner blows along with the damage caused to Wilder's face over 12 rounds it's clear to see who won the fight, am sure we should combine these views with the punch stats which show Fury as the clear victor. Wilder did well to knock Fury down but fights can't be decided based on that alone.

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

The Washington Post's reporter scored it 114-114:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...r-vs-tyson-fury-fight/?utm_term=.c8ad58cfb628

ESPN's veteran boxing journalist Dan Rafael scored it for Wilder 114-112.

Here's another website with round for round coverage giving it a draw:

http://www.sportingnews.com/us/boxi...iz-showtime-boxing/1pyld1x8t7x0r12ov2sgityeni

Here's another news site giving it 114-112 to Fury:

https://www.news.com.au/sport/boxin...s/news-story/0024d481fcbaf92977b0a83ed97564ad

So yeah, it's silly to be overly upset with this decision or to compare it to Holy-Lewis 1 or hysterically scream robbery.

 

[shaz619]

Compubox stats should only be used as a guideline as they also factor in blows which may not necessarily be clean and don't always effectively measure damage but can provide a decent overview:

CompuBox punch statistics

Wilder landed 71 of 430 shots (17 per cent)

Fury landed 84 of 327 (26 per cent).

If we look at these numbers along with damage caused to Wilder's face it is clear who won the fight. He got those two knock downs and the first was a flash knock down while Fury was off balance while the second one was hard, but he got an extra point for both. However he was dominated over the fight duration beyond that. I really can't see a case for a draw or Wilder win, Fury is a class act and wont scream robbery but you can see from the body language of both after the fight who won that. We also forget in the 12th Wilder was trying to hold on and was seriously hurt himself after Fury managed to get back up.

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

Compubox stats should only be used as a guideline as they also factor in blows which may not necessarily be clean and don't always effectively measure damage but can provide a decent overview:

CompuBox punch statistics

Wilder landed 71 of 430 shots (17 per cent)

Fury landed 84 of 327 (26 per cent).

If we look at these numbers along with damage caused to Wilder's face it is clear who won the fight. .

So now you are determining who won a fight based on the level of damage caused to the face? So if a fighter gets a cut and still wins the fight on points, he should have lost?

Damn, and you called me new to boxing.

 

[shaz619]

So now you are determining who won a fight based on the level of damage caused to the face? So if a fighter gets a cut and still wins the fight on points, he should have lost?

Damn, and you called me new to boxing.

Well that's your assumption not mine, just goes to show your views are getting exposed even further. You think a little cut should be a deciding factor and knockdowns should get the fighter a nod. But you're too thick to gauge the significance of damage caused over the duration of a fight

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

Well that's your assumption not mine, just goes to show your views are getting exposed even further. You think a little cut should be a deciding factor and knockdowns should get the fighter a nod. But you're too thick to gauge the significance of damage caused over the duration of a fight

That's not how fights are scored, genius.

 

[shaz619]

That's not how fights are scored, genius.

You want to score fights based on a someone getting a little cut or scoring a couple of knock downs but are overlooking damage which is caused throughout a fight and domination, it emphasises the argument that Fury landed more punches and the cleaner blows, these are reflected by the punch stats so you are the fool for assuming this draw is acceptable.

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

You want to score fights based on a someone getting a little cut or scoring a couple of knock downs but are overlooking damage which is caused throughout a fight, it emphasises the argument that Fury landed more punches and the cleaner blows, these are reflected by the punch stats so you are the fool for assuming this draw is acceptable.

No, I was giving the cut as an example of your understanding.

Damage to a fighter's face does not give any extra points to the other guy. If the damage is severe enough to stop the fight, then the fight is ended. But your face can be a bloody mess and you can still win the fight. That's what I'm trying to explain to you. Fights are not scored by puffiness around a fighter's face.

 

[shaz619]

No, I was giving the cut as an example of your understanding.

Damage to a fighter's face does not give any extra points to the other guy. If the damage is severe enough to stop the fight, then the fight is ended. But your face can be a bloody mess and you can still win the fight. That's what I'm trying to explain to you. Fights are not scored by puffiness around a fighter's face.

That is based on your poor understanding, if a guy is landing more blows and cleaner shots which are also confirmed by the punch stats this ought to be reflected at times in terms of damage caused, and Wilder was a right mess by the end, the sustained attack took its toll. However, due to Fury's evasiveness Wilder was not able inflict the same damage outside a couple of knockdowns.

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

That is based on your poor understanding, if a guy is landing more blows and cleaner shots .

He will automatically be racking up points if he's landing more blows and cleaner shots. Whether there is damage or not is irrelevant.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

If Fury was busier and Wilder wasn't landing anything why should Deontay be awarded the round ? the guy who is controlling the pace gets the nod and also for his activity. If we look at the fact that he was busier and landed cleaner blows along with the damage caused to Wilder's face over 12 rounds it's clear to see who won the fight, am sure we should combine these views with the punch stats which show Fury as the clear victor. Wilder did well to knock Fury down but fights can't be decided based on that alone.

What damage to Wilder's face? Neither fighter showed much damage, other than the minimal amount you would expect to see after 12 rounds. The only real damage done in the fight was when Fury landed with a thud on his back after being clobbered by Wilder in the final round, and he was struggling to beat the count.

 

[IMMY69]

I won’t bother watching the highlights of the fight now.
Surely it can be more interesting then our very own fight here on PP ��

 

[shaz619]

He will automatically be racking up points if he's landing more blows and cleaner shots. Whether there is damage or not is irrelevant.

Such damage is not uncommon when you're constantly eating jabs and right hands over a sustained period and are busier, Wlad was a mess by the end of the fight as well in Germany; so this is no coincidence and needs to be bought up when folk are saying this was a draw or how Fury didn't land enough clean punches.

 

[shaz619]

What damage to Wilder's face? Neither fighter showed much damage, other than the minimal amount you would expect to see after 12 rounds. The only real damage done in the fight was when Fury landed with a thud on his back after being clobbered by Wilder in the final round, and he was struggling to beat the count.

His left eye was almost shut and there is severe swelling below it, Wilder ate left and rights all night and the damage on his face is also a reflection of that in addition to the number of blows he landed which was much greater then Wilder. Wilder did damage with that one knock down but he shouldn't get a draw based on that, Fury did beat the count and hurt Wilder in that same round who was then desperately holding on.

 

[shaz619]

I won’t bother watching the highlights of the fight now.
Surely it can be more interesting then our very own fight here on PP ��

Watch it all if you get the chance it was great fight

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

Such damage is not uncommon when you're constantly eating jabs and right hands over a sustained period and are busier, Wlad was a mess by the end of the fight as well in Germany; so this is no coincidence and needs to be bought up when folk are saying this was a draw or how Fury didn't land enough clean punches.

The rounds are scored after each round, not at the end of the fight. A judge doesn't go, "gee one fighter looks beat up at the end of the fight, let me give the other fighter more early rounds to reflect the sustained damage he must have handed out".

 

[shaz619]

I give Wilder credit he showed a tremendous chin also in the Ortiz fight and kept trying / was courageous but he didn't deserve a draw. Looks to me Wilder / AJ is very likely up next should be a great fight, not sure if Fury will get another shot unless he forces a mandatory defence.

 

[shaz619]

The rounds are scored after each round, not at the end of the fight. A judge doesn't go, "gee one fighter looks beat up at the end of the fight, let me give the other fighter more early rounds to reflect the sustained damage he must have handed out".

I don't think you are understanding anything or just being ignorant, who is saying that judges will look at the damage caused at the end of the fight and then award rounds ? also crooks don't bother judging the fight anyway.

However, my point is this; the damage inflicted on Wilder is a reflection of Tyson Fury's domination which is emphasised by his higher out put and also punches landed. So if the judges were doing their jobs properly then he should have won the fight very compatibly.

 

[Suleiman]

Interesting to see that if there is a rematch will they do it in the UK or not. US has been kind of wack with these dramaybaaz judges. Was the same for Canelo vs GGG I from what I've heard.

 

[shaz619]

Interesting to see that if there is a rematch will they do it in the UK or not. US has been kind of wack with these dramaybaaz judges. Was the same for Canelo vs GGG I from what I've heard.

They wont face Fury again, I think Wilder will look to cash out vs AJ and it remains to be seen if either would like to face Fury again because his style is not very friendly for either. But surely AJ has to face Fury despite match-room ignoring him, it would be a monumental fight in the UK.

 

[IMMY69]

[MENTION=491]IMMY69[/MENTION]

http://boxingvideo.org/tyson-fury-vs-deontay-wilder-full-fight-replay/

Thanks ��
I’ll watch it after the footie

 

[shaz619]

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[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] I remember Asif Vali reading durood sharif prior to the fight in Germany, not sure who Asgi is ? he read surat faitiha here. Tyson always does this before his fights, amazing to see; he has one of the most diverse teams in boxing and unites all people regardless of faith, creed and beliefs.

 

[shaz619]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Big respect for Fury to get up there - got him winning this</p>— Eddie Hearn (@EddieHearn) <a href="https://twitter.com/EddieHearn/status/1069104193414328320?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">2 December 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The main thing I’ve got to say is how can a judge score that 115-111 to Wilder!</p>— Eddie Hearn (@EddieHearn) <a href="https://twitter.com/EddieHearn/status/1069110108494401536?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">2 December 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Gave it to Fury by two rounds - 115-111 Wilder crazy</p>— Eddie Hearn (@EddieHearn) <a href="https://twitter.com/EddieHearn/status/1069206398179909632?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">2 December 2018</a></blockquote>
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[KingKhanWC]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">After five rounds, Floyd Mayweather Jr had it 5-0 <a href="https://twitter.com/Tyson_Fury?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Tyson_Fury</a>... <a href="https://t.co/RxtMRBSQJT">pic.twitter.com/RxtMRBSQJT</a></p>— Boxing on BT Sport �� (@BTSportBoxing) <a href="https://twitter.com/BTSportBoxing/status/1069188852814876673?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">2 December 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">LOVE THIS ���� <a href="https://twitter.com/Tyson_Fury?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Tyson_Fury</a> <a href="https://t.co/g1VZ6ixDtU">pic.twitter.com/g1VZ6ixDtU</a></p>— Guz Khan (@GuzKhanOfficial) <a href="https://twitter.com/GuzKhanOfficial/status/1069222363861053440?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">2 December 2018</a></blockquote>
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[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] I remember Asif Vali reading durood sharif prior to the fight in Germany, not sure who Asgi is ? he read surat faitiha here. Tyson always does this before his fights, amazing to see; he has one of the most diverse teams in boxing and unites all people regardless of faith, creed and beliefs.

The way Fury got back up in the final round, was nothing short of 'miraculous'! Never seen anything like it. Great footage, showing how humble and diverse thinking the champion is, certainly seemed God was on his side last night.

As for the decision, a blatant robbery.

I think some people on here and also a couple of the judges last night dont understand how scoring works in boxing. Fury landed more clean shots, more power punches, made Wilder miss time after time and took control of the majority of rounds. Even with the 2 knockdowns, the stats show Fury had done enough to win the fight.

Regardless of the result what a great fight and a great figher Tyson Fury is. If he had not been out of the ring, this would have been a mismatch. Credit to Wilder too, he gave it all and was relieved to keep the WBC belt.

 

[Savak]

Wilder got $4m in purses and Fury got $3m. A lot was being made about the fact that the showtime folks were struggling to sell tickets but the arena and the centre looked jampacked. Will be interesting to see how this fight did PPV wise and what the final payouts to both the fighters will be, Hearns was bragging that this fight won't even compare to the numbers that AJ fights generate and that he will be shocked if Wilder-Fury can do even 300,000-400,000 PPV's.

 

[Savak]

I don't see AJ getting up from the punches Wilder landed on Fury. AJ is also not as slippery and elusive as Fury and does not know how to use his size and reach to his advantage like Fury. Just because Wilder looked crap against Fury doesn't mean AJ will school him, based on what i have seen of Wilder, he has a very good set of whiskers, but he is a crap boxer and in a one dimensional manner depends massively on that right hand but boy when he lands it, its goodbye. AJ is a better technician, a better boxer but has stamina issues and if he doesn't succeed in KOing Wilder then Wilder will eventually land his power shot and get him out of there.

 

[IMMY69]

I don't see AJ getting up from the punches Wilder landed on Fury. AJ is also not as slippery and elusive as Fury and does not know how to use his size and reach to his advantage like Fury. Just because Wilder looked crap against Fury doesn't mean AJ will school him, based on what i have seen of Wilder, he has a very good set of whiskers, but he is a crap boxer and in a one dimensional manner depends massively on that right hand but boy when he lands it, its goodbye. AJ is a better technician, a better boxer but has stamina issues and if he doesn't succeed in KOing Wilder then Wilder will eventually land his power shot and get him out of there.

mate forget AJ, who I think will beat Wilder hands down, I think there a few others out there that would beat him too...white being one of them..

 

[shaz619]

The way Fury got back up in the final round, was nothing short of 'miraculous'! Never seen anything like it. Great footage, showing how humble and diverse thinking the champion is, certainly seemed God was on his side last night.

As for the decision, a blatant robbery.

I think some people on here and also a couple of the judges last night dont understand how scoring works in boxing. Fury landed more clean shots, more power punches, made Wilder miss time after time and took control of the majority of rounds. Even with the 2 knockdowns, the stats show Fury had done enough to win the fight.

Regardless of the result what a great fight and a great figher Tyson Fury is. If he had not been out of the ring, this would have been a mismatch. Credit to Wilder too, he gave it all and was relieved to keep the WBC belt.

Well said, also in the 12th Wilder was out on his feet and took severe punishment himself. All in all it was a miraculous performance from Fury and he comes out with his stock even higher then ever, I don't think his elite status can ever be questioned again.

 

[shaz619]

Wilder got $4m in purses and Fury got $3m. A lot was being made about the fact that the showtime folks were struggling to sell tickets but the arena and the centre looked jampacked. Will be interesting to see how this fight did PPV wise and what the final payouts to both the fighters will be, Hearns was bragging that this fight won't even compare to the numbers that AJ fights generate and that he will be shocked if Wilder-Fury can do even 300,000-400,000 PPV's.

Most sources report Wilder will get close to $14 million while Fury $10 million. There is money to be made from the gate, it was a sell out, there's merchandise and PPV sales from Europe and North America. To be honest, this was Wilder and Fury's debut on PPV in USA so overall if they get close to 350K buys it should be considered a success. Any thing greater then that would have exceeded forecasts and expectations.

 

[shaz619]

mate forget AJ, who I think will beat Wilder hands down, I think there a few others out there that would beat him too...white being one of them..

AJ is sound with his fundamentals but has his flaws like Wilder to. But both are Olympians and have displayed a great deal of heart and at the top level this makes a huge difference when the top 3 or 4 face each other. I think with Wilder, no one would compatibly bet against him in any fight and he managed to drop Fury who is quiet evasive although admitedly Fury wasn't at his peak form but Wilder still had to overcome a great deal of evasiveness. AJ and Whyte don't move laterally or use upper body movement which would suit his style better, that's not to say AJ/Whyte wouldn't have a shot. I'd say AJ/Wilder would be 50/50 but I'd lean more towards Wilder then Whyte who am a big fan of, but still both are close fights.

 

[IMMY69]

AJ is sound with his fundamentals but has his flaws like Wilder to. But both are Olympians and have displayed a great deal of heart and at the top level this makes a huge difference when the top 3 or 4 face each other. I think with Wilder, no one would compatibly bet against him in any fight and he managed to drop Fury who is quiet evasive although admitedly Fury wasn't at his peak form but Wilder still had to overcome a great deal of evasiveness. AJ and Whyte don't move laterally or use upper body movement which would suit his style better, that's not to say AJ/Whyte wouldn't have a shot. I'd say AJ/Wilder would be 50/50 but I'd lean more towards Wilder then Whyte who am a big fan of, but still both are close fights.

Look I still have to watch the fight but honestly a ring fit Fury would beat wilder 10 out of 10 times. I had such low expectations of Wilder that I backed Fury in his current state on the other threads, that’s more down to who little I rate Wilder.

AJ is showing improvement in his fights and has shown heart and I see him only getting better which is why I back him to beat Wilder...

For Wilder the Fury fight wasn’t a gamble. He took the fight against a former champ who had addiction and weight issues and someone who has had a couple of minutes rung time in the last 2.5 years...
On paper it should have been an easy fight for him and a true champ would have probably wouldn’t have taken this fight... the fact that he got schooled is testament to Fury’s superhuman abilities.

Anyway, these things show me Wilder doesn’t have what it takes and is mainly just hype.
But that’s just my opinion and mostly based on very little footage i’ve Seen of him.

 

[shaz619]

Look I still have to watch the fight but honestly a ring fit Fury would beat wilder 10 out of 10 times. I had such low expectations of Wilder that I backed Fury in his current state on the other threads, that’s more down to who little I rate Wilder.

AJ is showing improvement in his fights and has shown heart and I see him only getting better which is why I back him to beat Wilder...

For Wilder the Fury fight wasn’t a gamble. He took the fight against a former champ who had addiction and weight issues and someone who has had a couple of minutes rung time in the last 2.5 years...
On paper it should have been an easy fight for him and a true champ would have probably wouldn’t have taken this fight... the fact that he got schooled is testament to Fury’s superhuman abilities.

Anyway, these things show me Wilder doesn’t have what it takes and is mainly just hype.
But that’s just my opinion and mostly based on very little footage i’ve Seen of him.

That's fair enough, and tbh I do agree with you and don't deny any of those points. But I give him credit for his heart and that destructive power which will always give him a chance till the last bell as we saw here. Like you say though, being the more active fighter and in much better condition / form Wilder should have won the fight and was the odds on favourite, I backed Fury regardless for his unique skill set for a big man but wasn't overwhelmingly confident.

I can see the argument that Wilder is a one trick pony, but that one trick is one hell of a trick and a great equaliser, his self belief and unorthodox approach / power make him dangerous. AJ would probably be the favourite however even more so after last night

 

[shaz619]

Floyd had Tyson up 5-0 when the ring side network folk caught up with him, he left the arena in disgust when the decision was announced. It's a damn shame because the sport will be tainted in the media due to poor scoring once again, it ruins one of the greatest sporting comebacks in history and a beautiful event / fight of the year candidate.

 

[KingKhanWC]

From 14:28, Ben Davison - " This sums it up, Paul Malignaggi, Floyd Mayweather, Triple G and Abel Sanchez had the fight for Tyson and Dan Rafael had it for Wilder; I think that sums it. *Everyone in the Presser rejoice in Hysterical Laughter* "



If that doesn't sum up how the opinions of Rafael are viewed in Boxing circles I don't know what does, [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] he is looked upon as a joke and is not taken seriously by fighters or reputable pundits. He is last person I would ever quote to make my point.

Ive read some of his boxing articles, dont agree with him most of the time and esp this time! He's American and America haven't had a great heavyweight champion for a while so they want Wilder to unify all the belts etc. The first knockdown was more to do with Tyson's balance, he wasnt hurt at all, shame he went down.

In your view should Tyson go for a re-match or a fight against Whyte or Joshua? Im not sure Wilder will take the rematch.

 

[CricketDon]

So what is your score for the fight? Because in case you don't know, it goes on points, not on rounds.

I had it 8-4 fury as well. The 8-4 is just a different type of scoring format. But if you want it on points then it was 114-110 Tyson fury. It’s just a more complex and abstract of scoring and only some hard core fans can depict it. But the score was meant to be 114-110 including the knockdowns.

 

[shaz619]

Ive read some of his boxing articles, dont agree with him most of the time and esp this time! He's American and America haven't had a great heavyweight champion for a while so they want Wilder to unify all the belts etc. The first knockdown was more to do with Tyson's balance, he wasnt hurt at all, shame he went down.

In your view should Tyson go for a re-match or a fight against Whyte or Joshua? Im not sure Wilder will take the rematch.

I thought the ref was going to rule it no knock down but because he got caught going down it was deemed a knock down unfortunately even though it was more to do with his balance as you say. Credit to the ref to, lesser men may have stopped the fight. I was thinking if that was Wembley vs AJ, ref would be waving it off before he even hit the floor lol

I would love to see the rematch or a fight vs AJ in 2019, Fury and Davison been in camp for about 14 months and need some long time with their family's. Then decide next step carefully. So realistically I think Fury may not return for a while and his opponent may not neccesarily be one of the top guys, I could be wrong because Fury is a guy who needs top level opposition to stay motivated. He really is a throwback lol

 

[shaz619]

I had it 8-4 fury as well. The 8-4 is just a different type of scoring format. But if you want it on points then it was 114-110 Tyson fury. It’s just a more complex and abstract of scoring and only some hard core fans can depict it. But the score was meant to be 114-110 including the knockdowns.

I should have stuck to the conventional scoring anyhow although some fans would have understood, was like 6am and didn't score it live round by round. What are your top 2 heavyweight fights for 2019?

 

[shaz619]

Check out the commentary by Showtime and BBC radio 5 live especially the final round, Ranollo and Costello were outstanding

 

[CricketDon]

I should have stuck to the conventional scoring anyhow although some fans would have understood, was like 6am and didn't score it live round by round. What are your top 2 heavyweight fights for 2019?

2019 should be the year of the giants. Seeing as the welterweights are not fighting each other.

We either going to see wilder v fury 2 or wilder v AJ or AJ v wilder. However outside of that I think whyte vs Joyce could be a prospect to see who’s next in line for a shot at the champions. Or Ortiz v wilder 2 would be a treat and and a half.

However for me the biggest fight outside the champions is povetkin vs Ortiz. Styles makes fights and mark my words these two will put on the fight of the era. It would a classic Mexican welterweight war at heavyweight. Alongside unbelievable amounts of skills being brought from Russia and Cuba.

 

[DeadBall]

We either going to see wilder v fury 2 or wilder v AJ or AJ v wilder.

Pardon my ignorance but are these like Home and Away matches.

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

I had it 8-4 fury as well. The 8-4 is just a different type of scoring format. But if you want it on points then it was 114-110 Tyson fury. It’s just a more complex and abstract of scoring and only some hard core fans can depict it. But the score was meant to be 114-110 including the knockdowns.

8-4 is not what the other guy was saying at all in terms of the rounds. In fact, says he scored it as 10-2 in terms of rounds. 8-4 was his confused attempt mixing up rounds and points. Hence why I asked for his scorecard.

And also, 8-4 to Fury in terms of rounds would not get you a score of 114-110 for this fight, so I'm not sure what you're talking about either.

 

[Asif khan]

Am I only one that thinks Fury was down for more than 10 seconds? If not, that must have been the longest 10 seconds like ever.

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

Am I only one that thinks Fury was down for more than 10 seconds? If not, that must have been the longest 10 seconds like ever.

Not sure about the count itself, but it was a little odd to see a ref tell a fighter to "walk over there" and walk back before continuing, which gave him a precious 5-10 seconds more. He did that on the first knockdown as well.

Usually the ref will be just a few feet away, wipe down the fighter's gloves, and say walk towards me (a step or so) before continuing.

The fight might have been waved off by a lot of referees without bothering to give a full count, as Fury looked that gone.

But it was a good call by the ref not to wave it off. Fury not only recovered spectacularly but to me it looked like Wilder was almost ready to go by the end of the round.

I've only seen one other fighter in the heavyweight division look like he was completely gone and then to jump up like nothing happened at around the count of 5 or 6. That was Shannon Briggs against Lewis. This recovery from Fury beats that as well.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

Floyd had Tyson up 5-0 when the ring side network folk caught up with him, he left the arena in disgust when the decision was announced. It's a damn shame because the sport will be tainted in the media due to poor scoring once again, it ruins one of the greatest sporting comebacks in history and a beautiful event / fight of the year candidate.

Completely agree
I can only feel for Tyson fury, and his family who have already been through so much with bad decisions in their life’s

 

[shaz619]

8-4 is not what the other guy was saying at all in terms of the rounds. In fact, says he scored it as 10-2 in terms of rounds. 8-4 was his confused attempt mixing up rounds and points. Hence why I asked for his scorecard.

And also, 8-4 to Fury in terms of rounds would not get you a score of 114-110 for this fight, so I'm not sure what you're talking about either.

Again to clear up the ignorance and gap in knowledge, 10-2 Fury is 116-110 in his favour when we score it. Points are awarded based on a round which is either won or lost. 8-4 is a scalar form of 10-2 with knockdowns and just used in a discussion. But if you don't understand that it is fine, I have already stated that if am being very kind to Wilder then my final score would be 115-111 in favour of Fury, why get so worked up?

 

[MenInG]

Gents - discuss but dont get personal.

 

[shaz619]

Completely agree
I can only feel for Tyson fury, and his family who have already been through so much with bad decisions in their life’s

Well said, if that final card had been a fairer reflection then there wouldn't be as big a controversy but am sick of these farcial outcomes regardless. If we ignore the corruption aspect they never have the proper qualifications to be judging a fight ring side anyway.