Do you agree with split-decision in the Deontay Wilder & Tyson Fury bout?

[TQ89]

I don't agree with it. I scored 9 rounds to fury. This controversial scoring is turning me off boxing.

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

Again to clear up the ignorance and gap in knowledge, 10-2 Fury is 116-110 in his favour when we score it. Points are awarded based on a round which is either won or lost. 8-4 is a scalar form of 10-2 with knockdowns and just used in a discussion. But if you don't understand that it is fine, I have already stated that if am being very kind to Wilder then my final score would be 115-111 in favour of Fury, why get so worked up?

Ah, so when you said:

"I made an error there which I accept but don't bother scoring fights while am actually watching them, instead I just enjoy the event."

You didn't really mean it?

 

[shaz619]

Ah, so when you said:

"I made an error there which I accept but don't bother scoring fights while am actually watching them, instead I just enjoy the event."

You didn't really mean it?

It must have been 6am and I made a little error in terms of not pointing out that 10-2 is 116-110 in terms of what it equates to, but my points regarding 8-4 still stand; in fact Tyson Fury just said the same on good morning britain, that Wilder won the rounds with the knockdowns only and that he won 8-4, it further emphasises your big gap in knowledge.

 

[shaz619]

From 8:20

Tyson Fury

" The only 2 rounds which I lost were round 9 and round 12, so if they are 10-8 rounds I still won 8-4."
[MENTION=147696]CricketDon[/MENTION]

No further clarification is required, it was very useless having pointless / petty arguments with folk who don't have a clue take away from magnificent performance of Tyson Fury which is what we should be discussing.

 

[shaz619]

2019 should be the year of the giants. Seeing as the welterweights are not fighting each other.

We either going to see wilder v fury 2 or wilder v AJ or AJ v wilder. However outside of that I think whyte vs Joyce could be a prospect to see who’s next in line for a shot at the champions. Or Ortiz v wilder 2 would be a treat and and a half.

However for me the biggest fight outside the champions is povetkin vs Ortiz. Styles makes fights and mark my words these two will put on the fight of the era. It would a classic Mexican welterweight war at heavyweight. Alongside unbelievable amounts of skills being brought from Russia and Cuba.

Povetkin / Ortiz would be a great fight although both are old now it is still intriguing. Daniel Dubois / Joyce is another great fight. But I'd love to see the top 3 face each other.

The rumour doing the rounds is that Usyk could face AJ in April

 

[TQ89]

From 8:20

Tyson Fury

" The only 2 rounds which I lost were round 9 and round 12, so if they are 10-8 rounds I still won 8-4."
[MENTION=147696]CricketDon[/MENTION]

No further clarification is required, it was very useless having pointless / petty arguments with folk who don't have a clue take away from magnificent performance of Tyson Fury which is what we should be discussing.

Agreed with each & every word

 

[chacha kashmiri]

Well said, if that final card had been a fairer reflection then there wouldn't be as big a controversy but am sick of these farcial outcomes regardless. If we ignore the corruption aspect they never have the proper qualifications to be judging a fight ring side anyway.

Tyson Fury can hold his chin high
His a credit to the gypsy population all over the globe

 

[CricketDon]

8-4 is not what the other guy was saying at all in terms of the rounds. In fact, says he scored it as 10-2 in terms of rounds. 8-4 was his confused attempt mixing up rounds and points. Hence why I asked for his scorecard.

And also, 8-4 to Fury in terms of rounds would not get you a score of 114-110 for this fight, it would be 112-116 fury. My bad it was late .

Yes it does.’once again it’s a more complicated way of scoring and is abstract. I should of used the points system here as I know not many are big boxing fans. In terms of rounds I had it 10-2. Factor in two knockdowns it’s 2 rounds or points off fury and to wilder. Bringing it to 8-4. Also 8-4 is a miss tire of rounds and knockdown points. Also I made a mathematical error my bad you’re right. If fury won 10 rounds and lost 2. The score card would be 110-118 fury. Factor in two knockdowns the scorecard is 112-116. Fury the winner

 

[Abdullah719]

Ah, so when you said:

"I made an error there which I accept but don't bother scoring fights while am actually watching them, instead I just enjoy the event."

You didn't really mean it?

It must have been 6am and I made a little error in terms of not pointing out that 10-2 is 116-110 in terms of what it equates to, but my points regarding 8-4 still stand; in fact Tyson Fury just said the same on good morning britain, that Wilder won the rounds with the knockdowns only and that he won 8-4, it further emphasises your big gap in knowledge.

Guys these are the last two posts that will be edited. Have edited and deleted an awful lot in this thread, if either of you wish to continue the discussion now then please keep it civil else don't bother.

 

[CricketDon]

Povetkin / Ortiz would be a great fight although both are old now it is still intriguing. Daniel Dubois / Joyce is another great fight. But I'd love to see the top 3 face each other.

The rumour doing the rounds is that Usyk could face AJ in April

Even old they’d put on a boxing master class. Usyk is way too small and gets flattened.

 

[shaz619]

Even old they’d put on a boxing master class. Usyk is way too small and gets flattened.

If Usyk moves up just like that he will have issues, he needs to grow into the weight and have some fights at heavyweight before going for the champions. I wouldn't overlook him so easily, remember people felt the same about Holyfield back in the day. But I believe Usyk can give the champions a good fight if he takes is time at HW, but his size does go against him; then again look at Wilder, you could argue he's a blown up cruserweight but still managed to be champion. Usyk has pedigree in terms of his ring generalship and that can do you a world of good as you climb up, he moves laterally and has great defence to. It's a fight which am definitely interested in but AJ would start as a big favourite if Usyk debut fight at HW is vs Joshua.

 

[shaz619]

Agreed with each & every word

It could have been worse mate the result so that's a saving grace in a way, where would you rank this performance when it comes to comeback's and overcoming the odds? for me it's the greatest ever in the divisions history and Tyson is on the brink of certifying his ATG status as a Heavyweight. You wouldn't argue against it either even now, he is by far the most gifted fighter we have produced in the UK. European toughness and conditioning combined with the American style. At the peak of Mike Tyson's career Larry Merchant said, the only person that we know who can beat Mike Tyson; is Mike Tyson himself, and honestly when I look at what Fury has been through I can say that only Fury beats Fury because in peak form and condition he is unbeatable. He fought and beat Wilder when he wasn't even 100%.

 

[shaz619]

Tyson was gracious despite the outcome to keep the peace and stop a riot in LA, but going by his interview on GMB h is devastated. He said that when people look back in history they will just see the draw and he is right in a way unfortunately, I hope Wilder will face him in the rematch but I am not confident.

 

[Devilsadvokat]

Tyson Fury was the first gypsy to ever be robbed ( in a boxing match). He is also one boxer that doesn't need a adjective to boxify his real name

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

Again to clear up the ignorance and gap in knowledge, 10-2 Fury is 116-110 in his favour when we score it. Points are awarded based on a round which is either won or lost. 8-4 is a scalar form of 10-2 with knockdowns and just used in a discussion. But if you don't understand that it is fine, I have already stated that if am being very kind to Wilder then my final score would be 115-111 in favour of Fury, why get so worked up?

You are the one worked up. As far as this scalar system you're talking about, that you just made up on the spot.

And in fact, you already admitted you made an error when talking about 8-4 in this thread. Now you're trying to act like it's something you intended to do.

 

[MenInG]

WBC heavyweight champion Deontay Wilder says he "can't wait" to face Tyson Fury again, following their controversial draw in Los Angeles on Saturday.

Wilder twice knocked down Fury during the fight, but many observers felt the Briton should have won.

And Fury, 30, said he thought the 33-year-old American would try to avoid a rematch with him "at all costs".

Wilder claimed he won the fight and was the "more aggressive fighter and landed the more effective punches".

In a post on Instagram, he said: "You saw the best Fury but you did not get the best Wilder and I still managed to get the job done."

He added: "At the end of the day, boxing wins. The fans are the real winner and I can't wait for Wilder Fury 2 to end the controversial talk around the world once and for all."

Wilder's trainer Jay Deas said earlier he wanted his fighter to take on Fury again before a potential bout with IBF, WBO and WBA champion Anthony Joshua.

Saturday's fight was scored 115-111 for Wilder, 114-112 for Fury and 113-113, with Alejandro Rochin the judge who had the American as the winner.

Fury said he had "never seen a worse decision in my life" and described it as a "gift" for his opponent.

His promoter Frank Warren said he and the British Boxing Board of Control would write to the WBC demanding another bout.

Fury was also backed by a number of former world champions, including Floyd Mayweather, Lennox Lewis, Tony Bellew and Carl Froch.

'World knows who real champion is' - Fury
Draw changes 'whole dynamic' of heavyweight division - Costello
Was the count for Fury too slow?
One of the biggest talking points of the fight was Fury's incredible rise from the canvas in the 12th round, when the former champion received a count from the referee. He recovered and finished the fight strongly.

Wilder has questioned if referee Jack Reiss' count was too slow.

When a boxer is knocked down, the referee will count over them until they get back on their feet unaided by the count of 10 seconds.

BBC boxing correspondent Mike Costello says the length of Reiss' count would be "looked back on".

Speaking on BBC Radio 5 live's boxing podcast, analyst Steve Bunce added: "My gut feeling is it looked to me like Fury started to get up at eight, was he up at 10? That will be debated. It would have been venomously debated if he [Fury] had walked away with the win and the agenda would be 'it was a long count'.

"It was 25 seconds from the punch to the instruction to 'box on', which is probably the long side of what happens."

Wilder said Reiss was an "amazing ref", but added: "Did the count start 3-4 seconds too late or was the count too long? is the question many are asking and debating about."

https://www.bbc.com/sport/boxing/46435543

 

[MenInG]

You are the one worked up. As far as this scalar system you're talking about, that you just made up on the spot.

And in fact, you already admitted you made an error when talking about 8-4 in this thread. Now you're trying to act like it's something you intended to do.

Guys can we finish this off now?

both sides have made their points

 

[shaz619]

You are the one worked up. As far as this scalar system you're talking about, that you just made up on the spot.

And in fact, you already admitted you made an error when talking about 8-4 in this thread. Now you're trying to act like it's something you intended to do.

Tyson Fury himself backed me up on the 8-4 is he an idiot as well? and I clarified that post, the fact that you're still going on about this shows you have some serious issues and gaps in your understanding

 

[shaz619]

Tyson Fury on GMB:

Tyson Fury

" The only 2 rounds which I lost were round 9 and round 12, so if they are 10-8 rounds I still won 8-4."

Instead of continuing a petty argument, take the L like an adult and move on.

 

[shaz619]

Guys can we finish this off now?

both sides have made their points

I have, all the clarifications have been provided and the other guys poor understanding has been exposed and now he is just looking for a reaction instead of having a civil debate like an adult. Like I said earlier, we should be focussing on Fury's performance which was amazing

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I don't think anyone would argue that Fury was coming out better on the point scoring front, he's a better boxer and always has been. Wilder tends to rely on one punch knockout power but unfortunately for Fury you can win rounds by touching your opponent all night, but when he lands and you go down to al intents and purposes KO'd, that is what sticks in the mind.

You have been battered senseless and are prone on the deck. In an MMA fight your opponent would be raining down hammer fists and the ref would be stepping in to stop the fight. The impact of your helplessness always affects the judging.

 

[shortbread]

Two things that encounter deserved was a draw and a rematch!

Amazing comeback after a big hiatus Fury and out boxed his opponent most of the night. Even more impressive was to stand on his two feet after being floored by Wilder. Excellent contest.

Wilder took a lot of beating consistently but was never fazed. Fury rained shots most rounds but the guy just stood there all the time trying to deliver a KO.

Wilder did not deserve to win this because Fury simply won more rounds and I cannot buy Fury winning that bout being the only person to be floored twice by his opponent. One of the best contests I have seen in a long while, last one that was so edge of the seat for me was Pacman vs Money.

I want a rematch and looks like we're getting one.

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

Yes it does.’once again it’s a more complicated way of scoring and is abstract. I should of used the points system here as I know not many are big boxing fans. In terms of rounds I had it 10-2. Factor in two knockdowns it’s 2 rounds or points off fury and to wilder. Bringing it to 8-4. Also 8-4 is a miss tire of rounds and knockdown points. Also I made a mathematical error my bad you’re right. If fury won 10 rounds and lost 2. The score card would be 110-118 fury. Factor in two knockdowns the scorecard is 112-116. Fury the winner

Actually, no, it would be 10-4 Fury according to what you're saying. And since there aren't 14 rounds in a fight, that doesn't make any sense.

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

Guys can we finish this off now?

both sides have made their points

Fine by me. But I didn't start with the insults and didn't also dish out insults anywhere near the other poster.

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

Tyson Fury himself backed me up on the 8-4 is he an idiot as well? and I clarified that post, the fact that you're still going on about this shows you have some serious issues and gaps in your understanding

I see. So when you are walking back on your "mistake" earlier and now claim this is a common way to talk about fights.

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

My whole point in this entire thread, which has had needless bickering, is that the fight result was not a "robbery" in my opinion.

I think a lot of fans who watched the fight would not compare it to true travesties in boxing decisions.

It was an entertaining fight and one that calls for a rematch.

One fighter clearly out boxed the other and would have won comfortably if not for the two knockdowns.

Even with the two knockdowns, I suggested he should have won around 114-112 in an earlier post.

Having said that, I don't think this is a "robbery" by any means. And that is all my points were about.

Historically speaking, for boxing, this is not a terrible decision.

And although I feel Fury should have gotten the nod on a points basis, it would not have felt much like a victory to me when you've been so badly knocked down and almost knocked out in the process.

So I look forward to the rematch.

 

[shaz619]

I see. So when you are walking back on your "mistake" earlier and now claim this is a common way to talk about fights.

My mistake was that I didn't break it could for you piece by piece, in that post 10-2 was mentioned along with 8-4 which caused your confusion. Now that was clarified and you decided to insult posters instead, we also have confirmation from Fury regarding this type of numerical vocabulary. But you continue to needlessly bicker about it.

 

[shaz619]

I don't think anyone would argue that Fury was coming out better on the point scoring front, he's a better boxer and always has been. Wilder tends to rely on one punch knockout power but unfortunately for Fury you can win rounds by touching your opponent all night, but when he lands and you go down to al intents and purposes KO'd, that is what sticks in the mind.

You have been battered senseless and are prone on the deck. In an MMA fight your opponent would be raining down hammer fists and the ref would be stepping in to stop the fight. The impact of your helplessness always affects the judging.

I see where you are coming from but out of a total of 36 minutes Wilder controlled about 9 minutes of the fight if we are being very generous to him. He got the knockdowns but fights are determined on a round by round basis so Rd 12 shouldn't have a lasting impact on the judged who had Wilder 4-0 at one point in the fight. Also, Fury was caught of balance in Rd 9 and it was a flash knock down, however Wilder was still awarded 10-8 in that instance. In contrast while Fury was dropped emphatically in Rd 12, Wilder was still awarded 10-8, that's just the knock down rule in Boxing; but from the POV of fans I do agree with you that some may have overly looked at that pivotal moment in Rd 12, but Fury was not knocked out, he got back up and had Wilder back pedalling / trying to clinch, he was unable to finish Fury off even with so much time in the round and thought twice after the right cross / left hook combination he took.

When we are watching the fight as observes from the telly it may seem as if Fury is just kissing Wilder with his gloves, but those accumulated punches have a lasting impact. Fury wasn't loading up on his punches, it's what technicians do, comprise power for accuracy. The style is not always eye pleasing especially for neutrals and many have the same view on Floyd, but it's how such Boxers win rounds with their in-ring IQ. The name of the game is to hit and not get hit, Wilder was forced to work very hard, made to miss by inches and put so much energy into those power shots which barely landed, he was broken down physically, mentally and tactically; by the end of the fight his left eye had almost closed and there was severe swelling below his eye, in the after match of the fight you could see the energy had been sapped from him by the body language and he was all smiles as the decision was announced.

When we see Gatti / Ward trilogy or Castillo / Coralles; that's what you call a war / beat down so I personally wouldn't say Fury was beaten senseless, he took a couple of good shots but got back up and put it back on Wilder in the same round and beyond that dominated the fight so I find it hard to accept such a decision on any level.

In MMA those guys are not given the chance to get back up again and fight it's usually called off within seconds of a few hammer fists being landed or in other cases as soon as the other guy hits the floor. There are instances in modern Boxing where a lesser ref would be waving of the fight but in this example it was great to see the count, it's a championship fight at the elite level and there had to be consideration for the occasion.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I see where you are coming from but out of a total of 36 minutes Wilder controlled about 9 minutes of the fight if we are being very generous to him. He got the knockdowns but fights are determined on a round by round basis so Rd 12 shouldn't have a lasting impact on the judged who had Wilder 4-0 at one point in the fight. Also, Fury was caught of balance in Rd 9 and it was a flash knock down, however Wilder was still awarded 10-8 in that instance. In contrast while Fury was dropped emphatically in Rd 12, Wilder was still awarded 10-8, that's just the knock down rule in Boxing; but from the POV of fans I do agree with you that some may have overly looked at that pivotal moment in Rd 12, but Fury was not knocked out, he got back up and had Wilder back pedalling / trying to clinch, he was unable to finish Fury off even with so much time in the round and thought twice after the right cross / left hook combination he took.

When we are watching the fight as observes from the telly it may seem as if Fury is just kissing Wilder with his gloves, but those accumulated punches have a lasting impact. Fury wasn't loading up on his punches, it's what technicians do, comprise power for accuracy. The style is not always eye pleasing especially for neutrals and many have the same view on Floyd, but it's how such Boxers win rounds with their in-ring IQ. The name of the game is to hit and not get hit, Wilder was forced to work very hard, made to miss by inches and put so much energy into those power shots which barely landed, he was broken down physically, mentally and tactically; by the end of the fight his left eye had almost closed and there was severe swelling below his eye, in the after match of the fight you could see the energy had been sapped from him by the body language and he was all smiles as the decision was announced.

When we see Gatti / Ward trilogy or Castillo / Coralles; that's what you call a war / beat down so I personally wouldn't say Fury was beaten senseless, he took a couple of good shots but got back up and put it back on Wilder in the same round and beyond that dominated the fight so I find it hard to accept such a decision on any level.

In MMA those guys are not given the chance to get back up again and fight it's usually called off within seconds of a few hammer fists being landed or in other cases as soon as the other guy hits the floor. There are instances in modern Boxing where a lesser ref would be waving of the fight but in this example it was great to see the count, it's a championship fight at the elite level and there had to be consideration for the occasion.

I also said in my earlier posts in this fight, that Fury was probably saved by the ref in that he allowed him far longer than is usual to stand and recover after finally getting up at the count of 9. He was definitely still very groggy, and in my opinion, if Wilder had been allowed to get after him straightaway Fury would have been KO'd. As it was you could see him recovering with every extra second he was given. If he was 'robbed', then he an at least count himself lucky on that score.

 

[shaz619]

I also said in my earlier posts in this fight, that Fury was probably saved by the ref in that he allowed him far longer than is usual to stand and recover after finally getting up at the count of 9. He was definitely still very groggy, and in my opinion, if Wilder had been allowed to get after him straightaway Fury would have been KO'd. As it was you could see him recovering with every extra second he was given. If he was 'robbed', then he an at least count himself lucky on that score.

I can see that view point mainly due to the poor refereeing in general these days, when you see guys get dropped the ref doesn't even administer a count so this was very refreshing. Also, Fury didn't get up a little earlier because he was unsure what his legs would be like and was maximising his time, now if you watch Amir Khan knock down he does the most stupid thing every time by trying to get up as soon as he is dropped, the same can be said about Zab Judah. Fury was seriously hurt but not out cold and he gave himself every chance to recover. But even after that like you say he was groggy, Wilder had 2 minutes to take him out and is one of the most ruthless finishers in modern Boxing yet he was unable to get the job done and that's largely due to Tyson's ring smarts, courage and power shots which backed Wilder up.

Also, unlike in the past fighters can't go right after the opponent which has been knocked down, they have to be in the neutral corner and if Wilder couldn't get it done in 2 minutes or so I doubt it would have made a different under old school rules. But yeah it could have been worse in that if he was actually knocked out or Wilder being awarded a decision, but I just find it tough to accept due to that card where the mexican had the fight pretty wide for Wilder

 

[shaz619]

[MENTION=48620]Cpt. Rishwat[/MENTION] it sucks because a draw is a draw, years from now no one will really see what actually happened. If Wilder manages to KO AJ then maybe Fury's draw will be seen as some achievement. I don't think the rematch will happen. Wilder will look to cash out vs AJ after his stock is declined given that many expected him to put away a Fury which wasn't 100% coming off all kinds of issues and inactivity.

 

[shaz619]

[MENTION=491]IMMY69[/MENTION]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">There's only one Mike Costello. <br><br>Listen to one of the best in the business call the last few moments of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WilderFury?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WilderFury</a><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/bbcboxing?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#bbcboxing</a> �� <a href="https://t.co/CmPXmNA6VV">pic.twitter.com/CmPXmNA6VV</a></p>— BBC 5 Live Sport (@5liveSport) <a href="https://twitter.com/5liveSport/status/1069343197283803136?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">2 December 2018</a></blockquote>
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Costello is on another level when it comes to commentary, he was outstanding for BBC Radio 5 lol so much better then the BT Sports fellas. Costello lived through the golden generation of heavyweight boxing, you can feel the passion in his voice and that fight was quiet the experience watching it live. My favourite fight of the year. Regardless of what I've said about AJ or your view on Wilder, but these two along with Fury are heart and soul of the division today and levels above the rest, they are rekindling that old flame from decades ago. The heavyweight division is alive again! [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION]

 

[Suleiman]

I really hope there’s a rematch but I think Deontay’s team won’t risk it again. They expected a half baked Tyson Fury tumbling out onto the ring with 3 years of rust and get knocked out early.

Fact he didn’t means give him few more months and he’ll be even more fluid, aka no easy bum to add to the list of the other 39 bums he KOed.

But I hope it does go through.

 

[Savak]

Some of Wilder's supporters are just supporting him because he is American and they have zero credible reasons to give to justify him winning the fight and at best are pointing out to the apparent 10 second count.

 

[shaz619]

Some of Wilder's supporters are just supporting him because he is American and they have zero credible reasons to give to justify him winning the fight and at best are pointing out to the apparent 10 second count.

One guy said he won and left while the other is still clutching at straws which goes to show you who the loser in that fight was. Also, many people don't understand the rules; the 10 count is at the referee's discretion and it belongs to him not a stop watch in order to determine if a fighter is able to continue. But if people do want to get their stop watches out Fury got up in less than 10 seconds anyway.

This is what the ref had to say:

Jack Reiss: ''I knew Fury was awake because he was grimacing, by the count of 5 his eyes popped open like I startled him''

''10 count doesn't mean 10 seconds! It's a referee's opportunity to make sure a hurt fighter can intelligently defend himself''

It was the best piece of reffing I have seen in a long long time and the ref came out of that fight with his stock even higher, only Wilder's delusional fans are advocating a different narrative but it's all good because it creates hype for the rematch and Wilder seems to be very eager for it going by the interviews which inspires my confidence that it could happen next year.

 

[shaz619]

I really hope there’s a rematch but I think Deontay’s team won’t risk it again. They expected a half baked Tyson Fury tumbling out onto the ring with 3 years of rust and get knocked out early.

Fact he didn’t means give him few more months and he’ll be even more fluid, aka no easy bum to add to the list of the other 39 bums he KOed.

But I hope it does go through.

Lets not take anything away from Wilder's, he has had it very tough in America. People have their view on him but he got into the sport a bit late and still won an Olympic medal, somewhere along those lines he lost consistency with his jab and the technique is unorthodox but he has a great chin, big heart and some serious serious power. In fact he is one of the biggest punchers of all time at HW, if we believe everyone he fought was joe bloggs but every joe takes knocking over and he got some big pop in his hands.

While he fought a large number of C level opponents the division wasn't particularly strong either but is resume has improved recently, he fought Ortiz who was ducked for years and his fight with Povetkin was cancelled after he failed a drugs test, Wilder was scheduled to face him in Russia as well. And now he took on Fury, don't get me wrong he definitely assumed he'd be light work like 90% of people but it was still a tough tough challenge for him so credit where due. When we look at the HW division now, outside AJ, Wilder and Fury I don't think there's anyone we can truly consider 'elite' , we have some great prospects coming through but AJ/Wilder/Fury would beat everyone else 9 times out of 10.

Wilder lost this fight hands down but he took one hell of a beating in there over 12 rounds however he never lost belief and dropped Fury in the 12th and that saved his unbeaten record beyond the shocking result. And straight away now he is emphasising that he wants the rematch which is very encouraging and confirms his fighting spirit, am confident now that we will get Tyson / Wilder 2, it has to happen !! and hopefully Fury is done justice this time. Also, Fury is so unpredictable that am not even sure if a better version will show up! you just never know! but on paper you'd think he'd improve his conditioning even further, reduce the body fat % and be even more fluid in the ring as you say and move laterally very effortlessly like he did in the Wladmir fight.

 

[shaz619]

To break even Wilder / Fury need to achieve 250K buys in the US, early reports suggest that the fight is heading for something between 300-400K buys which is a fantastic effort for two fighters making their debut in the US on PPV; furthermore the early indication of PPV buys in the US do not include PPV's from the UK, digital sales on PS4 / online streams or the cinema. Both Fury and Wilder will make above their guaranteed purses of $7m

 

[shaz619]

Am just sick of matchroom, it takes two to tango and Wilder / Fury signed on the dotted line pretty easily, gave up as an elite fight and made some real good money. So beyond the result which am unhappy with credit to both men for stepping up and giving us fans what we want for once and I can't wait for the rematch.

 

[Suleiman]

Lets not take anything away from Wilder's, he has had it very tough in America. People have their view on him but he got into the sport a bit late and still won an Olympic medal, somewhere along those lines he lost consistency with his jab and the technique is unorthodox but he has a great chin, big heart and some serious serious power. In fact he is one of the biggest punchers of all time at HW, if we believe everyone he fought was joe bloggs but every joe takes knocking over and he got some big pop in his hands.

While he fought a large number of C level opponents the division wasn't particularly strong either but is resume has improved recently, he fought Ortiz who was ducked for years and his fight with Povetkin was cancelled after he failed a drugs test, Wilder was scheduled to face him in Russia as well. And now he took on Fury, don't get me wrong he definitely assumed he'd be light work like 90% of people but it was still a tough tough challenge for him so credit where due. When we look at the HW division now, outside AJ, Wilder and Fury I don't think there's anyone we can truly consider 'elite' , we have some great prospects coming through but AJ/Wilder/Fury would beat everyone else 9 times out of 10.

Wilder lost this fight hands down but he took one hell of a beating in there over 12 rounds however he never lost belief and dropped Fury in the 12th and that saved his unbeaten record beyond the shocking result. And straight away now he is emphasising that he wants the rematch which is very encouraging and confirms his fighting spirit, am confident now that we will get Tyson / Wilder 2, it has to happen !! and hopefully Fury is done justice this time. Also, Fury is so unpredictable that am not even sure if a better version will show up! you just never know! but on paper you'd think he'd improve his conditioning even further, reduce the body fat % and be even more fluid in the ring as you say and move laterally very effortlessly like he did in the Wladmir fight.

Well said. Wilder is an interesting subject, was watching his prefight documentary just now and he was talking about the only reason he started to box was to provide for his daughter he had very early. Some things can't be taught I guess wrt to his raw power.

 

[shaz619]

Well said. Wilder is an interesting subject, was watching his prefight documentary just now and he was talking about the only reason he started to box was to provide for his daughter he had very early. Some things can't be taught I guess wrt to his raw power.

I just find it staggering how in America he isn't as big as he should be, knock out artist and has personality to and can talk to. Plus is a level headed guy but just takes on the persona of someone else when it comes to doing battle, but that's psychological warfare; almost like war paint from back in the day. I guess ever one needs a real good dance partner to at times and some momentum going in the division, but people are talking about him now and this fight with Fury would have done him a world of good when it comes to just getting his name out there regardless of the outcome. Yeah his daughter has a disability and he got into the sport for her mainly.

 

[shaz619]

Tyson getting all the reporters to sing with him in post match lol.

Guy has a big heart. Gypsy Afridi

As disgusted as I was with the decision, seeing Tyson in good spirits after that and sing made me forget it all what a man, you can't write a script for it all, that press conference was the icing on the cake of an amazing comeback, something you'd see in a movie even after a controversial result. But you know, there's always Rocky 2

Here's another video since we discussing the singing theme:

Helping a newbie reporter come out her shell, she was singing before then but didn't want to for the video. But this is what the people's champion does, he inspires the masses!

 

[Suleiman]

As disgusted as I was with the decision, seeing Tyson in good spirits after that and sing made me forget it all what a man, you can't write a script for it all, that press conference was the icing on the cake of an amazing comeback, something you'd see in a movie even after a controversial result. But you know, there's always Rocky 2

Here's another video since we discussing the singing theme:

Helping a newbie reporter come out her shell, she was singing before then but didn't want to for the video. But this is what the people's champion does, he inspires the masses!

Haha I saw that as well, he's a very cool and open person. I think that plays into his ability to be a master at psychological warfare as well. One of the few people I've seen to get under Klitschko's skin. But after the match he'll give you a pat on the back and give respect.

His interviews are always hilarious too, my Youtube recommended is now full of them, this is one of my favorite by far, in all sports:

 

[shaz619]

Haha I saw that as well, he's a very cool and open person. I think that plays into his ability to be a master at psychological warfare as well. One of the few people I've seen to get under Klitschko's skin. But after the match he'll give you a pat on the back and give respect.

His interviews are always hilarious too, my Youtube recommended is now full of them, this is one of my favorite by far, in all sports:

) He has always been the same since day one, I followed him since day one and was even a fan when he punched himself in the face live on my telly but even back then you just saw that he had 'it'. David Price was the last man to beat Fury in the amateurs, his career has fallen off but Fury respects him and even went to liverpool this year to have some coffee with him lmao Price laughs saying you don't know what to expect with him at times but we have mutual respect, the same exists with Bellew despite that famous interview.

 

[Suleiman]

So Deontay Wilder is making excuses now, put up a post on Instagram where he puts on his own timer to prove the Ref counted for more than 10 secs, even tho this guy starts the timer mid air.

I also think he might be doing it just to maintain interest in this Wilder vs Fury saga. Ofc the BLM type folk are going crazy saying Yeah! It's conspiracy against our people type nonsense.

 

[TQ89]

It could have been worse mate the result so that's a saving grace in a way, where would you rank this performance when it comes to comeback's and overcoming the odds? for me it's the greatest ever in the divisions history and Tyson is on the brink of certifying his ATG status as a Heavyweight. You wouldn't argue against it either even now, he is by far the most gifted fighter we have produced in the UK. European toughness and conditioning combined with the American style. At the peak of Mike Tyson's career Larry Merchant said, the only person that we know who can beat Mike Tyson; is Mike Tyson himself, and honestly when I look at what Fury has been through I can say that only Fury beats Fury because in peak form and condition he is unbeatable. He fought and beat Wilder when he wasn't even 100%.

I would rank it as an unbelievable effort. When wilder hit him in 12th round, i was like that is it, game over for fury. But man he still stood up & went on to sting wilder in that round. That has got to be my favorite moment of the match.

I have not followed what wilder's camp is up to but I don't think wilder is going to face him again & also AJ won't anytime sooner so i feel sad that this great fighter wont get the credit he deserves. He truly is special & an unbelievably tough guy.

 

[shaz619]

So Deontay Wilder is making excuses now, put up a post on Instagram where he puts on his own timer to prove the Ref counted for more than 10 secs, even tho this guy starts the timer mid air.

I also think he might be doing it just to maintain interest in this Wilder vs Fury saga. Ofc the BLM type folk are going crazy saying Yeah! It's conspiracy against our people type nonsense.

The timer is irrelevant because the 10 count belongs to the referee and that ref is being critically acclaimed for the intelligence he displayed on that night in a very tough situation during an elite championship fight. Wilder quoted someone in the press conference as saying, 'sometimes when you lost, you win' it just goes to show you how he truly feels although in that moment he may not have realised what he had just said but he knows he lost that fight, we all saw it from his body language to when the final bell rang and also his reaction when the result was announced.

But I agree he is doing it to maintain interest in the fight, some thing tells me he is a very proud man contrary to popular belief and will want to set the record straight. Yeah, I didn't want to say it but the BLM folk are the only ones who are talking so much rubbish right now.

 

[shaz619]

I would rank it as an unbelievable effort. When wilder hit him in 12th round, i was like that is it, game over for fury. But man he still stood up & went on to sting wilder in that round. That has got to be my favorite moment of the match.

I have not followed what wilder's camp is up to but I don't think wilder is going to face him again & also AJ won't anytime sooner so i feel sad that this great fighter wont get the credit he deserves. He truly is special & an unbelievably tough guy.

I've never seen anyone in the sport overcome the odds he has and perform the way he did even if we ignore that Rd 12 for a second, there was a great moment during the fight where in the corner Fury shouted "I will be Victorious! I am the Gypsy King!" goosebumps, Fury is one special special man and his showing was nothing short of legendary. Also credit to his trainer who turned 26 years old the week of the fight, Ben Davison was beyond his years in that corner and got so much stick which he didn't deserve but the man was in camp with Fury for 14 months and literally saved his life and helped facilitate the greatest sporting comeback in history. By the end he was so exhausted and upset, but in time I hope he feels much better.

 

[Savak]

The thing I loved about this fight was that Fury proved that his performance against Klitschko was no fluke

 

[MenInG]

So a rematch is ON!

https://www.bbc.com/sport/boxing/46489617

The WBC has sanctioned a "direct rematch" between heavyweight champion Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury.

Britain's Fury and American Wilder shared a controversial and thrilling draw in Los Angeles on Saturday.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">WILDER VS. FURY II ; The WBC conducted a voting through the Board of Governors, which resulted in a unanimous agreement to sanction a direct rematch between WBC heavyweight champion Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury.<a href="https://t.co/0RhUoV4CJt">https://t.co/0RhUoV4CJt</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WBC?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WBC</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Boxing?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Boxing</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GreenBelt?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#GreenBelt</a></p>— World Boxing Council (@WBCBoxing) <a href="https://twitter.com/WBCBoxing/status/1071130075507101697?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 7, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[shaz619]

So a rematch is ON!

https://www.bbc.com/sport/boxing/46489617

The WBC has sanctioned a "direct rematch" between heavyweight champion Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury.

Britain's Fury and American Wilder shared a controversial and thrilling draw in Los Angeles on Saturday.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">WILDER VS. FURY II ; The WBC conducted a voting through the Board of Governors, which resulted in a unanimous agreement to sanction a direct rematch between WBC heavyweight champion Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury.<a href="https://t.co/0RhUoV4CJt">https://t.co/0RhUoV4CJt</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WBC?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WBC</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Boxing?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Boxing</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GreenBelt?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#GreenBelt</a></p>— World Boxing Council (@WBCBoxing) <a href="https://twitter.com/WBCBoxing/status/1071130075507101697?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 7, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Fantastic news, this was expected. Wilder is not the stereotypical modern boxer and will oblige Fury with immediate negotiations. Matchroom are the fellas who stall.

I hope the rematch is in England, wouldn't mind Old Trafford! [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION]

 

[Haroon786]

Guys these are the last two posts that will be edited. Have edited and deleted an awful lot in this thread, if either of you wish to continue the discussion now then please keep it civil else don't bother.

Seems like there was a boxing match going on in this thread too, if the sport can bring the best out of its athletes, it can also bring the worst out of its fans.

 

[Suleiman]

So a rematch is ON!

https://www.bbc.com/sport/boxing/46489617

The WBC has sanctioned a "direct rematch" between heavyweight champion Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury.

Britain's Fury and American Wilder shared a controversial and thrilling draw in Los Angeles on Saturday.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">WILDER VS. FURY II ; The WBC conducted a voting through the Board of Governors, which resulted in a unanimous agreement to sanction a direct rematch between WBC heavyweight champion Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury.<a href="https://t.co/0RhUoV4CJt">https://t.co/0RhUoV4CJt</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WBC?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WBC</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Boxing?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Boxing</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GreenBelt?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#GreenBelt</a></p>— World Boxing Council (@WBCBoxing) <a href="https://twitter.com/WBCBoxing/status/1071130075507101697?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 7, 2018</a></blockquote>
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I'm so hyped now, can't wait. This was the first time I bought a PPV, and it was worth every dollar. Got into boxing few months ago to be able to fully enjoy the match. I'm sure there's many others like me, shows how charismatic they are to be able to pull crowds again to the heavyweight division.

Like he said, when 2 men to want to fight each other negotiations take 5 mins. It's when one man doesn't want to fight, then no fight happens.

 

[shaz619]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">When the WBC sanction an immediate <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WilderFury?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WilderFury</a> rematch <a href="https://t.co/vI0BnDZe8L">pic.twitter.com/vI0BnDZe8L</a></p>— Adam Catterall (@AdamCatterall) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamCatterall/status/1071150163102744578?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 7, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[shaz619]

I'm so hyped now, can't wait. This was the first time I bought a PPV, and it was worth every dollar. Got into boxing few months ago to be able to fully enjoy the match. I'm sure there's many others like me, shows how charismatic they are to be able to pull crowds again to the heavyweight division.

Like he said, when 2 men to want to fight each other negotiations take 5 mins. It's when one man doesn't want to fight, then no fight happens.

Well said, AJ is in a pretty compatible position still. When you're making millions facing inferior fighters, why give that up to take on a challenge; this is the business mindset of the modern fighter, not influenced so much on the legacy front. You cant knock them for it but how much more $$$$ do you need. He didn't in the past but am sure down the line AJ will face one or both hopefully. If not, Fury and Wilder should just keep fighting each other lol

 

[shaz619]

 

[shaz619]

 

[MenInG]

Tyson Fury is entitled to a greater share of the purse for his rematch against heavyweight champion Deontay Wilder, says the WBC.

Britain's Fury and American Wilder shared a controversial and thrilling draw in Los Angeles in December.

The WBC has told their promoters to agree a rematch by 5 February.

If there is no agreement, the WBC will split the purse bid 60-40 in favour of Wilder, "considering the market value of Fury".

This is an increase from the 30% that is typically due to the challenger in a title fight.

The WBC sanctioned a direct rematch between Fury and Wilder last month, ensuring the American did not have to face mandatory challenger Dominic Breazeale next.

Fury's promoter Frank Warren and Wilder's promoter Shelly Finkel will now negotiate but if they do not agree an acceptable fee for both fighters by the deadline, the fight is open to sealed bids from other promoters, with the highest bid winning.

If that happens, Fury would then be entitled to 40% of the purse.

Earlier this month, Warren said Fury was a bigger draw than heavyweight champion Anthony Joshua.

Joshua has a date booked at Wembley Stadium on 13 April for his next fight and a unification bout with Wilder is the number one target.

But Wilder has been more open to fighting Fury and Warren believes Joshua - promoted by Eddie Hearn - is wary of a contest with his man.

Although Fury was knocked down in the ninth and 12th rounds against Wilder, many observers thought the 30-year-old Briton should have won the bout, which was scored 115-111 for Wilder, 114-112 for Fury and 113-113.

Fury said he had "never seen a worse decision in my life" and described it as a "gift" for his opponent.

Wilder, 33, questioned if referee Jack Reiss' count was too slow in Fury's remarkable rise from the canvas in the 12th round, which Reiss denied.

Deontay Wilder may well feel uneasy about a decrease in his perceived value for this potential rematch but there can be no doubt the sell through of a second bout will far exceed their first meeting.

In a nutshell, there will be a bigger pie to slice up.

Consider the fact Wilder has appeared on some of US television's biggest talk shows since the Los Angeles contest and it is easy to see his appeal has grown, while Fury has - in the words of his promoter - become a "people's champion".

The thrilling nature of their December tussle will undoubtedly also get more people out of bed second time around, with sports fans who held out on buying the fight last time around possibly being influenced by the fear of missing out for take two.

Warren has insisted all along that this fight is easy to make given the smooth nature of negotiations last time, so the WBC deadline in theory should not be a problem.

With the fight seemingly edging nearer, it means Anthony Joshua almost certainly misses out on a glamour bout at Wembley with Wilder or Fury on 13 April.

Dillian Whyte appears his only feasible option at such a grand venue and Whyte last week rubbished the financial package offered to him so far.

Doubt now surrounds the Wembley fixture, meaning Joshua may instead scrap the date and hone in on a US debut in the weeks to follow, with Jarrell Miller almost certainly his opponent

https://www.bbc.com/sport/boxing/46898641

 

[shaz619]

Tyson Fury is entitled to a greater share of the purse for his rematch against heavyweight champion Deontay Wilder, says the WBC.

Britain's Fury and American Wilder shared a controversial and thrilling draw in Los Angeles in December.

The WBC has told their promoters to agree a rematch by 5 February.

If there is no agreement, the WBC will split the purse bid 60-40 in favour of Wilder, "considering the market value of Fury".

This is an increase from the 30% that is typically due to the challenger in a title fight.

The WBC sanctioned a direct rematch between Fury and Wilder last month, ensuring the American did not have to face mandatory challenger Dominic Breazeale next.

Fury's promoter Frank Warren and Wilder's promoter Shelly Finkel will now negotiate but if they do not agree an acceptable fee for both fighters by the deadline, the fight is open to sealed bids from other promoters, with the highest bid winning.

If that happens, Fury would then be entitled to 40% of the purse.

Earlier this month, Warren said Fury was a bigger draw than heavyweight champion Anthony Joshua.

Joshua has a date booked at Wembley Stadium on 13 April for his next fight and a unification bout with Wilder is the number one target.

But Wilder has been more open to fighting Fury and Warren believes Joshua - promoted by Eddie Hearn - is wary of a contest with his man.

Although Fury was knocked down in the ninth and 12th rounds against Wilder, many observers thought the 30-year-old Briton should have won the bout, which was scored 115-111 for Wilder, 114-112 for Fury and 113-113.

Fury said he had "never seen a worse decision in my life" and described it as a "gift" for his opponent.

Wilder, 33, questioned if referee Jack Reiss' count was too slow in Fury's remarkable rise from the canvas in the 12th round, which Reiss denied.

Deontay Wilder may well feel uneasy about a decrease in his perceived value for this potential rematch but there can be no doubt the sell through of a second bout will far exceed their first meeting.

In a nutshell, there will be a bigger pie to slice up.

Consider the fact Wilder has appeared on some of US television's biggest talk shows since the Los Angeles contest and it is easy to see his appeal has grown, while Fury has - in the words of his promoter - become a "people's champion".

The thrilling nature of their December tussle will undoubtedly also get more people out of bed second time around, with sports fans who held out on buying the fight last time around possibly being influenced by the fear of missing out for take two.

Warren has insisted all along that this fight is easy to make given the smooth nature of negotiations last time, so the WBC deadline in theory should not be a problem.

With the fight seemingly edging nearer, it means Anthony Joshua almost certainly misses out on a glamour bout at Wembley with Wilder or Fury on 13 April.

Dillian Whyte appears his only feasible option at such a grand venue and Whyte last week rubbished the financial package offered to him so far.

Doubt now surrounds the Wembley fixture, meaning Joshua may instead scrap the date and hone in on a US debut in the weeks to follow, with Jarrell Miller almost certainly his opponent

https://www.bbc.com/sport/boxing/46898641

It's funny that once this is annoucned to save face Hearn sends Wilder and Fury mickey mouse offers to face AJ at Wembley. AJ will inevitably face one of these blokes but he needs to show more courage, Amir proved that the promoter works for you not the other way round; he took a bit of a cut in order to face the P4P no.1 in the world. It comes down to priorities as well doesn't it and what fighters value these days...

 

[MenInG]

The WBC has ordered a fight between Britain's Dillian Whyte and Dominic Breazeale to determine the mandatory challenger for Deontay Wilder's heavyweight title belt.

American Wilder is expected to face Tyson Fury in a rematch of December's controversial draw in Los Angeles.

Whyte had also been linked with a fight against four-time world heavyweight champion Anthony Joshua.

The 30-year-old is the current holder of the WBC silver belt.

Both Whyte and American Breazeale have suffered only one defeat during their professional careers, both to Joshua.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/boxing/47217760

 

[Savak]

It's funny that once this is annoucned to save face Hearn sends Wilder and Fury mickey mouse offers to face AJ at Wembley. AJ will inevitably face one of these blokes but he needs to show more courage, Amir proved that the promoter works for you not the other way round; he took a bit of a cut in order to face the P4P no.1 in the world. It comes down to priorities as well doesn't it and what fighters value these days...

I am not all that drawn into AJ, to me he is not a warrior, it didn't take much complication from Fury and Wilder to get in the ring the first time and to get back in the ring back. AJ has just been pricing himself out, he could have clearly made the fight if he truly wanted too and if he truly felt he could beat Wilder.

 

[shaz619]

I am not all that drawn into AJ, to me he is not a warrior, it didn't take much complication from Fury and Wilder to get in the ring the first time and to get back in the ring back. AJ has just been pricing himself out, he could have clearly made the fight if he truly wanted too and if he truly felt he could beat Wilder.

AJ is a product of the modern era and is making use of the Floyd model (in his later years), he will take very calculated risks and fights which he has a decent chance of winning whilst being paid handsomely for it. He looks at it all as a business and has already stated he wants to be a billionaire, so why face Wilder or Fury for an extra 10 or 20 million when you can make $35 million for facing Miller.....unfortunately there are few who truly care about legacy in Boxing as their number one priority; but those who do I could name them from top of my head; Khan, Mikey Garcia, Lomachenko, Canelo, GGG, Crawford, Fury, Wilder, Manny and Thurman.

AJ/Miller is booked for June now in America, it's not a terrible fight but Matchroom/AJ had announced AJ's next two fights would be at Wembley with one of the dates in April; some of the AJ dweebs booked flights/hotel etc lol My only issue with this fight is that considering Fury/Wilder 2 is on regardless, Dilian Whyte is more deserving of a world title shot but he presents more of a risk then Miller who AJ will also be making more money to fight allegedly which is 35 million dollars.

 

[IMMY69]

Guys I know I'm being pedantic here but the result was a draw or a split draw not a split decision.
A split decision would mean one boxer winning the match...
[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION], the fact that it's all about the business is a real turn off.
As you know I liked AJ from the very beginning. But even I'm being turned off by him.
He needs to get in to the ring with Wilder/Fury before I take him seriously again.

 

[shaz619]

Guys I know I'm being pedantic here but the result was a draw or a split draw not a split decision.
A split decision would mean one boxer winning the match...
[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION], the fact that it's all about the business is a real turn off.
As you know I liked AJ from the very beginning. But even I'm being turned off by him.
He needs to get in to the ring with Wilder/Fury before I take him seriously again.

Am not confident AJ will face Fury but he is likely to face Wilder in 2020, surely one of those names though in 2020 is a bit later then it should be happening though.

Matchroom have been very shrewd here even though they have let their supporters down with the announcement of fights in the UK well in advance before deciding to go America, people acknowledge that Fury/Wilder are busy so want AJ to face Whyte; so my guess is after he is done with Miller they will face Whyte later in 2019 saying it's the fight we wanted....

Fury/Wilder should just do a Robinson/Lamotta and keep fighting each other lol they have proven that when the desire is there fights can be made. We need more to break the myth of an unbeaten record, losing a fight at the top level shouldn't hurt your pedigree really and in the long run it can increase your value and when you take risks while you will lose there's a chance of you winning as well. But fighters try to milk the hell out of their 0 in this time, am sure we'd all love to see multiple fights between the likes of AJ/Fury/Wilder/Whyte regardless of who loses; just like the real fab 4 in the past, Hagler, Hearns, Leonard and Duran

Having said that I don't think AJ/Miller is a terrible fight but would have liked to see Whyte in April and then Fury/Wilder later in the year. Whyte meanwhile could be taking on Breazeale for a WBC interim title.

 

[MenInG]

Britain's Tyson Fury says a world heavyweight title rematch with Deontay Wilder is "likely to happen in March or April".

Wilder knocked out fellow American Dominic Breazeale in the first round on Saturday to retain his WBC title.

Wilder's agent, Shelly Finkel, has said that Wilder, 33, would "probably" fight Fury or Anthony Joshua next year.

"Wilder can't run forever. This rematch has got to happen," Fury, 30, told ESPN.

Fury, Wilder and Joshua are signed to different US broadcasters.

"We were very close to a rematch," said Fury. "We had contracts, they had contracts, we were trying to agree terms.

"All of a sudden I had a massive deal from ESPN and they made me an offer I couldn't refuse. That would've been in May I believe.

"And Deontay Wilder apparently signed a three-fight deal [with Showtime] before I signed the ESPN deal."

5 Live Boxing with Costello & Bunce: 'We're building towards something massive in 2020'
Wilder retained his WBC belt with a thrilling draw against Fury in Los Angeles in December.

The other recognised world heavyweight belts - WBA, IBF and WBO - are held by Briton Joshua, who is signed to the DAZN streaming service.

Joshua will fight American Andy Ruiz Jr at Madison Square Garden in New York on 1 June, while Fury faces German Tom Schwarz in Las Vegas on 15 June.

"If the fighters are willing to fight then why should the networks get in the way?" Fury said.

"Fighters use that as an excuse. Anthony Joshua, he uses that a lot as an excuse. I believe if the fighters really want to fight each other they will."

https://www.bbc.com/sport/boxing/48355961

 

[Savak]

The rematch will still be 50-50 for me as you have a guy who will comfortably outbox the other guy with superb skill while the other guy will carry that one fight ending punch from round 1 to 12 which he can land with great speed, accuracy and long range. Can Fury stay disciplined enough to avoid that right hand for a full 12 rounds and if it does connect can he get back up and regain control of the fight? Can Wilder stay disciplined and not recklessly waste punches and actually work the body a bit more before going for the head?

 

[Captain caveman]

I think wider won the first fight. Fury was knock out in th 12th and the ref gave him a nice long count to recover and get back on his feet. If you watched the breazeale fight, he also got back on his feet after being knocked down, but the difference here was the ref administered a proper 10 count and breazeales legs was still wobbly.
I be supris

 

[Captain caveman]

I think wider won the first fight. Fury was knock out in th 12th and the ref gave him a nice long count to recover and get back on his feet. If you watched the breazeale fight, he also got back on his feet after being knocked down, but the difference here was the ref administered a proper 10 count and breazeales legs was still wobbly.
I be supris

I be suprised if fury ever gets back in the ring with wilder. If he does, i dont expect the fight to last long . Wilder to win by knockout.

 

[Savak]

I think wider won the first fight. Fury was knock out in th 12th and the ref gave him a nice long count to recover and get back on his feet. If you watched the breazeale fight, he also got back on his feet after being knocked down, but the difference here was the ref administered a proper 10 count and breazeales legs was still wobbly.
I be supris

Its a count of 10, not actually a 10 second count. Fury got back up and even took a left hook from Wilder and then fired back with his own ammunition. Inspite of the knock downs he was ahead on the cards and won 9 rounds comfortably

 

[Savak]

I be suprised if fury ever gets back in the ring with wilder. If he does, i dont expect the fight to last long . Wilder to win by knockout.

He didn't have a problem getting in the ring when he was at his most vulnerable against a dangerous Wilder. He will not hessitate to do it again. He accepted the first fight in Wilder's backyard on Wilder's terms, it is only fair if the rematch takes place on his terms this time.

 

[Captain caveman]

Its a count of 10, not actually a 10 second count. Fury got back up and even took a left hook from Wilder and then fired back with his own ammunition. Inspite of the knock downs he was ahead on the cards and won 9 rounds comfortably

Its a count of 10 by the ref which is supposed to be approximately 10 seconds long, otherwise one ref can take 20 seconds to count ten and another ref could take 5 seconds to count 10. Like i said i believe wilder won the fight within the distance( 12th round ko). But if you want to discuss points then theres no way fury won 9 rounds of that fight. The first 4 rounds were not clearly won by either fighter and could be given either way , so i would split it as 2 rounds each i.e.
Wilder fury
10 9
10 9
9 10
9 10
=38 =38 after 4 rounds
Add the 2 round knock downs
10 8
10 8
=58 =54
That leaves 6 rounds. This is where most fury fans get confused as fury did win most of these rounds except 1 and gives the illusion that he won the fight convincely. Lets see: fury gains 59 pts and wilder gains 55pts. Lets add to their previous scores
Wilder 58 +55 =113pts
Fury 54 + 59 = 113pts
A DRAW!
Just like the british judge had scored it.
The other 2 judges were incompetent, one giving the fight to fury and the other giving it to wilder.
CONCLUSION
Wilder should have won the fight as a 12th round ko but for the incompetence of the ref. So the fight when to points, were 2 judges were incompetent giving the fight to either fighter. Thankfully, there was a brit judge who was competent and scored the fight correctly as a draw.
So wilder was robbed of a victory by an incompetent judge!

 

[Captain caveman]

He didn't have a problem getting in the ring when he was at his most vulnerable against a dangerous Wilder. He will not hessitate to do it again. He accepted the first fight in Wilder's backyard on Wilder's terms, it is only fair if the rematch takes place on his terms this time.

As someone who has boxed a little a very long time ago, i can tell you that when you go into a fight you are scared and apprehensive but also excited of the unknown. But once you have been knocked down as badly as fury was in the 12th which really was a knock out believe me you will fear getting back into the ring with that person again, because the unkown is gone, you now have felt the power. Fury has felt wilders power and its life threatening power. I cant see fury getting back in the ring with wilder. But if he decides to then sure they can have the fight in the uk but it wont make anywhere as near the money it would if its held in the us. Ppv fees in the us are about 7-8 times as expensive . So financially it makes no sense to hold the fight in the uk.

 

[Captain caveman]

Its a count of 10 by the ref which is supposed to be approximately 10 seconds long, otherwise one ref can take 20 seconds to count ten and another ref could take 5 seconds to count 10. Like i said i believe wilder won the fight within the distance( 12th round ko). But if you want to discuss points then theres no way fury won 9 rounds of that fight. The first 4 rounds were not clearly won by either fighter and could be given either way , so i would split it as 2 rounds each i.e.
Wilder fury
10 9
10 9
9 10
9 10
=38 =38 after 4 rounds
Add the 2 round knock downs
10 8
10 8
=58 =54
That leaves 6 rounds. This is where most fury fans get confused as fury did win most of these rounds except 1 and gives the illusion that he won the fight convincely. Lets see: fury gains 59 pts and wilder gains 55pts. Lets add to their previous scores
Wilder 58 +55 =113pts
Fury 54 + 59 = 113pts
A DRAW!
Just like the british judge had scored it.
The other 2 judges were incompetent, one giving the fight to fury and the other giving it to wilder.
CONCLUSION
Wilder should have won the fight as a 12th round ko but for the incompetence of the ref. So the fight when to points, were 2 judges were incompetent giving the fight to either fighter. Thankfully, there was a brit judge who was competent and scored the fight correctly as a draw.
So wilder was robbed of a victory by an incompetent judge!

* correction
Wilder was robbed of a victory by an incompetent REFEREE.