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Do you believe in reincarnation?

Well recarnation makes the most sense out of all other explanations after death like heaven and hell.
So after death ,we are going to enjoy material things even in heaven ,given by god. All the honey ,women really ??? what will women enjoy there in heaven ? If she desires men then she will get all the men there ?? What is in menu other than that? Its very complex to understand truely. People need to stop emotional and think logically.

Muslim countries are very conservative related to men amd women relations and suddenly they gonna get all the glamour out ther in heaven. Seems very unlikely.

Don't worry, all those women and glamour are only for the Muslims believers, if you prefer reincarnation you can come back as a pigeon and watch over someone's house and see what the kids are getting up to.
 
I am saying that Elephant seal has a soul. How can a body move without a soul? This is simple English to understand.

Quote me the verse which says wine and women will be off limits for those who don't desire it. Go on.

Ok bro.

I think we should just respect each other beliefs. I will enjoy wine and women in the afterlife while I hope things go well in the body of an Elephant seal for you.
 
Ok bro.

I think we should just respect each other beliefs. I will enjoy wine and women in the afterlife while I hope things go well in the body of an Elephant seal for you.

My jannah is merging with the Almighty. Why don't you wish me that? I never wished anything bad for you.
 
What do you get? That you and your consciousness was created by random alignment of atoms? That everything was created from matter and non living chemicals reacted to become living chemicals. You godless atheists and evolutionary propagandists are funny.

My basic question is; Why you are calling this as 'reincarnation of consciousness', when between each instance there is no data preserved? - There is no memory preserved between instance 1 to n, means these instances are not aware or conscious of each other. Reincarnation is wrong word to use in this context :acp

If these instances are suppose to be aware of each other, then this reincarnation theory falls flat, as there is no evidence of people remembering to be born or living in the body of animal in past ;-)
 
My basic question is; Why you are calling this as 'reincarnation of consciousness', when between each instance there is no data preserved? - There is no memory preserved between instance 1 to n, means these instances are not aware or conscious of each other. Reincarnation is wrong word to use in this context :acp

If these instances are suppose to be aware of each other, then this reincarnation theory falls flat, as there is no evidence of people remembering to be born or living in the body of animal in past ;-)

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Ok bro.

I think we should just respect each other beliefs. I will enjoy wine and women in the afterlife while I hope things go well in the body of an Elephant seal for you.

You will enjoy women and wine. Isnt alcohol haram in islam ? Dnt make us fool that wine in heaven wont be toxic. If its not toxic then what is the fun ? Why ud it be called wine.
Second what do our muslim sisters get ?? Men and wine ?and what about transgenders and gays ??
Because in recarnation ultimate goal is to merge the soul with the almighty to which it belongs.,untill all your karmic account gets purified.
But frankly speaking heaven looks more appealing to me. All the hoor women and servants and wine.would love to visit there.
 
You will enjoy women and wine. Isnt alcohol haram in islam ? Dnt make us fool that wine in heaven wont be toxic. If its not toxic then what is the fun ? Why ud it be called wine.
Second what do our muslim sisters get ?? Men and wine ?and what about transgenders and gays ??
Because in recarnation ultimate goal is to merge the soul with the almighty to which it belongs.,untill all your karmic account gets purified.
But frankly speaking heaven looks more appealing to me. All the hoor women and servants and wine.would love to visit there.

As I mentioned earlier, you will not need any intoxicants to feel 'good' or have 'fun' when you are in such a place. Therefore there is no need for it to be alcohol based. Also as mentioned, everyone will get their hearts desire and more.

You can visit, be a Muslim to make sure you do if God allows it. :)
 
As I mentioned earlier, you will not need any intoxicants to feel 'good' or have 'fun' when you are in such a place. Therefore there is no need for it to be alcohol based. Also as mentioned, everyone will get their hearts desire and more.

You can visit, be a Muslim to make sure you do if God allows it. :)

My god allows everything untill it hurts someone and let me be myself and judge me on the basis of my deeds only.
Anyway so whatever we desire we will get in heaven . But i want strong canns of beer and some strong our patiala punjabi peg only ,otherwise its no logic to call it a wine for me .
Inshallah it give me some hope to look heavenly and have patience and look forward to all the things, which i cudnt enjoy here on earth ,there in heaven.
 
As I mentioned earlier, you will not need any intoxicants to feel 'good' or have 'fun' when you are in such a place. Therefore there is no need for it to be alcohol based. Also as mentioned, everyone will get their hearts desire and more.

You can visit, be a Muslim to make sure you do if God allows it. :)

Actually it says in the verse "Khamr ladha lil Shaarbeen" which translates to wine for those who drink. So it definitely is mentioning that it is something available there which is forbidden here.

The same word Al Khamr is used in Surah Al Baqara 2:219 along with gambling and thus a sin so it is definitely the the forbidden alcohol based drink that is being rewarded in the after life.

Also the word Khamr means to cover and in this instance means khamr al aqal which basically means something that covers the mind or prohibits one from ration thinking.

Also it is mentioned in Surah Al Safat verses 45-47 that the wine will be delicious and those who drink it will not get intoxicated or suffer an ill effects.


So one can interpret as one wishes.
 
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Actually it says in the verse "Khamr ladha lil Shaarbeen" which translates to wine for those who drink. So it definitely is mentioning that it is something available there which is forbidden here.

The same word Al Khamr is used in Surah Al Baqara 2:219 along with gambling and thus a sin so it is definitely the the forbidden alcohol based drink that is being rewarded in the after life.

Also the word Khamr means to cover and in this instance means khamr al aqal which basically means something that covers the mind or prohibits one from ration thinking.

Also it is mentioned in Surah Al Safat verses 45-47 that the wine will be delicious and those who drink it will not get intoxicated or suffer an ill effects.


So one can interpret as one wishes.

Interesting ,thanks. I think these issues are very minor. Once you're in heaven, there will be things you have never imagined and perhaps most will just be happy to be there.
 
From the gist of culture passing on message, reincarnation concept is there in Hinduism so that human uses current life form to the fullest. It is said that after doing lots of good things in past, goal of human is to unite with God. You will stop taking birth when you become highest rated human, till then there is recycling of soul in new bodies.

That soul keeps getting + points or - points according to their deeds.

This concept also soothe some people with their question of unfairness in life.

As an example,

you have done nothing wrong life, you haven't hurt a soul in your current life, and all of a sudden. Boom. You have pancreatic cancer and you have gotten few months to live. How do you explain that? Hinduism says it's because from the bad deeds done in the past life. That way people don't question the morality of God. Why he/she did that? And their passing is somewhat peaceful.
 
From the gist of culture passing on message, reincarnation concept is there in Hinduism so that human uses current life form to the fullest. It is said that after doing lots of good things in past, goal of human is to unite with God. You will stop taking birth when you become highest rated human, till then there is recycling of soul in new bodies.

That soul keeps getting + points or - points according to their deeds.

This concept also soothe some people with their question of unfairness in life.

As an example,

you have done nothing wrong life, you haven't hurt a soul in your current life, and all of a sudden. Boom. You have pancreatic cancer and you have gotten few months to live. How do you explain that? Hinduism says it's because from the bad deeds done in the past life. That way people don't question the morality of God. Why he/she did that? And their passing is somewhat peaceful.

Is that satisfying explanation?? - You have no memory of what you have done in past, how that can be held against you?? - For all practical purposes that instance of you was entirely different person. I don't think this is a just or moral scoring system, most importantly it serves no purpose, you are not learning from your mistakes...Nobody has yet explain, the connection between the two instances? :13:

As I said earlier this soul concept is used to put weight behind empty philosophy. If you understand what it is and back it by data, I am willing to listen, otherwise its just a mamboo jamboo, that cannot be respect blindly... Soul is another Dogma like every other Super natural or magical thing... It's ironic 80% of theory is about physical things, but when you cannot explain something, all those dogmatic concepts God, Prophets, choosen ones, angles, soul, spirit, spiritual etc pop up to shut the opposition... I would like people to use the same approach and by pass doctor and go to higher power first, in reality they only go to Spiritual when current Science does not deliver, although going to Super does not help anyway ;-)
 
Whatever you want to make out of this:

When Ryan Hammons was 4 years old, he began directing imaginary movies. Shouts of “Action!” often echoed from his room.

But the play became a concern for Ryan’s parents when he began waking up in the middle of the night screaming and clutching his chest, saying he dreamed his heart exploded when he was in Hollywood. His mother, Cyndi, asked his doctor about the episodes. Night terrors, the doctor said. He’ll outgrow them. Then one night, as Cyndi tucked Ryan into bed, Ryan suddenly took hold of Cyndi’s hand.

“Mama,” he said. “I think I used to be someone else.”

He said he remembered a big white house and a swimming pool. It was in Hollywood, many miles from his Oklahoma home. He said he had three sons, but that he couldn’t remember their names. He began to cry, asking Cyndi over and over why he couldn’t remember their names.

“I really didn’t know what to do,” Cyndi said. “I was more in shock than anything. He was so insistent about it. After that night, he kept talking about it, kept getting upset about not being able to remember those names. I started researching the Internet about reincarnation. I even got some books from the library on Hollywood, thinking their pictures might help him. I didn’t tell anyone for months.”

One day, as Ryan and Cyndi paged through one of the Hollywood books, Ryan stopped at a black-and-white still taken from a 1930s movie, Night After Night. Two men in the center of the picture were confronting one another. Four other men surrounded them. Cyndi didn’t recognize any of the faces, but Ryan pointed to one of the men in the middle.

“Hey Mama,” he said. “That’s George. We did a picture together.” His finger then shot over to a man on the right, wearing an overcoat and a scowl. “That guy’s me. I found me!”

Ryan’s claims, while rare, are not unique among the more than 2,500 case files sitting inside the offices of Jim B. Tucker (Res ’89), an associate psychiatry professor at the UVA Medical Center’s Division of Perceptual Studies.

For nearly 15 years, Tucker has been investigating claims made by children, usually between the ages of 2 and 6 years old, who say they’ve had past lives.The children are sometimes able to provide enough detail about those lives that their stories can be traced back to an actual person—rarely famous and often entirely unknown to the family—who died years before.

Cyndi Hammons wasn’t considering any of that when her preschool son was pointing himself out in a photo from more than 80 years ago. She wanted to know who that man was.

The book didn’t provide any names of the actors pictured, but Cyndi quickly confirmed that the man Ryan said was “George" in the photo was indeed a George—George Raft, an all but forgotten film star from the 1930s and 1940s. Still, she couldn’t identify the man Ryan said had been him.Cyndi wrote Tucker, whom she found through her online research, and included the photo. Eventually it ended up in the hands of a film archivist, who, after weeks of research, confirmed the scowling man’s name: Martin Martyn, an uncredited extra in the film.

Tucker hadn’t shared that discovery with the Hammons family when he traveled to their home a few weeks later. Instead, he laid out black-and-white photos of four women on the kitchen table. Three of them were random.

Tucker asked Ryan, “Do any of these mean anything to you?”

Ryan studied the pictures. He pointed to one. She looks familiar, he said.

It was Martin Martyn’s wife.

Not long afterward, Tucker and the Hammonses traveled to California to meet Martyn’s daughter, who’d been tracked down by researchers working with Tucker on a documentary. Tucker sat down with the woman before her meeting with Ryan. She’d been reluctant to help, but during her talk with Tucker, she confirmed dozens of facts Ryan had given about her father.

Ryan said he danced in New York. Martyn was a Broadway dancer. Ryan said he was also an “agent,” and that people where he worked had changed their names. Martyn worked for years at a well-known talent agency in Hollywood—where stage names are often created—after his dancing career ended.

Ryan said his old address had “Rock” in its name. Martyn lived at 825 North Roxbury Dr. in Beverly Hills. Ryan said he knew a man named Senator Five. Martyn’s daughter said she had a picture of her father with a Senator Ives, Irving Ives, of New York, who served in the U.S. Senate from 1947 to 1959.

And yes, Martin Martyn had three sons. The daughter of course knew their names.

The meeting later between Ryan and Martyn’s daughter didn’t go well. Ryan shook her hand then hid behind Cyndi for the rest of the time. Later he told his mother the woman’s “energy” had changed. Cyndi explained that people change when they grow up.

“I don’t want to go back [to Hollywood],” Ryan said. “I always want to keep this family.”

In the weeks that followed, Ryan spoke less about Hollywood. Tucker says that often happens when children meet the family of someone they claimed to have been. It seems to validate their memories, making them less intense.

“I think they see that no one is waiting for them in the past,” Tucker says. “Some of them get sad about it, but ultimately they accept it and they turn their attention more fully to the present. They get more involved in experiencing this life, which, of course, is what they should do.”

http://uvamagazine.org/articles/the_science_of_reincarnation
 
Is that satisfying explanation?? - You have no memory of what you have done in past, how that can be held against you?? - For all practical purposes that instance of you was entirely different person. I don't think this is a just or moral scoring system, most importantly it serves no purpose, you are not learning from your mistakes...Nobody has yet explain, the connection between the two instances? :13:

As I said earlier this soul concept is used to put weight behind empty philosophy. If you understand what it is and back it by data, I am willing to listen, otherwise its just a mamboo jamboo, that cannot be respect blindly... Soul is another Dogma like every other Super natural or magical thing... It's ironic 80% of theory is about physical things, but when you cannot explain something, all those dogmatic concepts God, Prophets, choosen ones, angles, soul, spirit, spiritual etc pop up to shut the opposition... I would like people to use the same approach and by pass doctor and go to higher power first, in reality they only go to Spiritual when current Science does not deliver, although going to Super does not help anyway ;-)

You see faith survives on misunderstanding or acceptance of death. Faith survives on hope against all odds. Human used to need a tool to be less animal and more socially evolved animal (who won't start cutting or killing anything he/she sees move). So, as we were evolving socially, that's where the philosophies and religions come in. Making sense of all this. Why things are happening the way it is. Why humans don't have control over many things. Many humans need this tool to survive psychologically.

If you are atheist, it's easy for you to say it doesn't make sense at all, 'I would rather want people to think logically and enough with magical thinkings'.

But issue is, everyone's life experiences and upbringings are different. You just can't physically put everyone in one mind set. There is no reset button. Religions and philosophies are written thousands of years ago, our societies are built on it. It will take some serious number of years before people even be flexible to think out side of their religions' teachings. Some sort of moralities will always be attached to some kind of philosophies or religions.

So going back to topic, despite you can't explain anything. As per my understanding, Religion is there to make sense of 'unfairness' in world, so many individuals don't go mad over this.

This reminds me off very famous dialogue by Amitabh Bachchan.

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My jannah is merging with the Almighty. Why don't you wish me that? I never wished anything bad for you.

By the liitle understanding i have about vedanta, according to vedanta you are already one with almighty. You only need to realize it, just like waking up from a dream.
 
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