Do you see a place for Junaid Khan in the team moving forward?

[Artless Dodges]

Do you think he would have been effective on this tour if he wasn't injured and would you include him the team moving forward? If so, who would he replace?

 

[Savak]

He is pretty reliable compared to the other options on display, a better option than Ruman. His inclusion in the ODI team played a major role in the revival of our fortunes in the CT.

 

[Mamoon]

Hopefully not. He is average.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

He is pretty reliable compared to the other options on display, a better option than Ruman. His inclusion in the ODI team played a major role in the revival of our fortunes in the CT.

You were just asking for wicket taking bowlers in the other thread.

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

What I think people don't get about Junaid is that he has solid fast bowling basics locked down, AND NO I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT PACE. The guy has a knack of determining what exactly to bowl at what times and how to utilize all his bowling tools. He may be (now) a 135kph medium pacer however, he knows how to bowl yorkers, how to reverse a ball, how to use cross seam and so on and so forth.

 

[Savak]

You were just asking for wicket taking bowlers in the other thread.

Junaid is a wicket taker.

 

[Greenstorm]

We missed him in this series. He pitches the ball up consistently with the new ball, attacks at stumps and generally gets some movement of the surface.. He would have taken care of Munro atleast.

 

[Savak]

What I think people don't get about Junaid is that he has solid fast bowling basics locked down, AND NO I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT PACE. The guy has a knack of determining what exactly to bowl at what times and how to utilize all his bowling tools. He may be (now) a 135kph medium pacer however, he knows how to bowl yorkers, how to reverse a ball, how to use cross seam and so on and so forth.

Completely agree with this. With him in the side, Amir goes into a second gear and looks more effective.

 

[Mamoon]

Junaid would have been smashed on these pitches and small boundaries with his back of length trundling. He has no pace, cannot swing the ball a centimeter, and is only effective when the ball reverses, which no longer happens in ODIs.

He can be useful occasionally on abrasive surfaces. Pretty much an inferior version of Umar Gul - good when things are going his way, but a hack and a captain's nightmare when the batsmen take him on.

 

[Artless Dodges]

Hopefully not. He is average.

I think I'm familiar with your views on him and his inability to generate pace or swing but whatever the reason, he still seems to be effective. You can't deny that he is much better than Ruman. For all the hype, there was no difference between him and Amir in 2017. Obviously Amir is more talented (if that even means anything at this point), but Junaid can be a useful utility player.


However, I will say that what we really need is a genuine pace bowler that can consistently bowl above 90 MPH

 

[Mamoon]

I think I'm familiar with your views on him and his inability to generate pace or swing but whatever the reason, he still seems to be effective. You can't deny that he is much better than Ruman. For all the hype, there was no difference between him and Amir in 2017. Obviously Amir is more talented (if that even means anything at this point), but Junaid can be a useful utility player.


However, I will say that what we really need is a genuine pace bowler that can consistently bowl above 90 MPH

In truth, Rumman, Junaid and Fahim are all very ordinary bowlers. You can play any of the three as your third seamer, and the difference is going to be marginal.

I agree with you that we need an explosive 150 kph fast bowler who is not brainless like Wahab. Pakistan's bowling attack is going nowhere at the moment.

 

[LegbreakGoogly]

Junaid would have been smashed on these pitches and small boundaries with his back of length trundling. He has no pace, cannot swing the ball a centimeter, and is only effective when the ball reverses, which no longer happens in ODIs.

He can be useful occasionally on abrasive surfaces. Pretty much an inferior version of Umar Gul - good when things are going his way, but a hack and a captain's nightmare when the batsmen take him on.

rightly said .'... he is not any better then the crunt crop.

 

[Artless Dodges]

A bit off-topic, but a problem I've noticed with Pakistani fans (and even selectors) is that we always want superstars and thus when players inevitably don't live up to our expectations, we want them to be discarded. I don't know how familiar people are with NFL but I was recently reading that what separates Bill Belichick, one of the greatest football coaches of all time, from others his ability to utilize limited players based on their talent instead of setting them up for failure. Pakistani selectors have the opposite mentality where players that are suited for one format are picked for another and then subsequently dropped etc

 

[Artless Dodges]

In truth, Rumman, Junaid and Fahim are all very ordinary bowlers. You can play any of the three as your third seamer, and the difference is going to be marginal.

I agree with you that we need an explosive 150 kph fast bowler who is not brainless like Wahab. Pakistan's bowling attack is going nowhere at the moment.

This is where we disagree. I don't think Pakistan would win Champions Trophy had we used Rumman Raees in place of Junaid. In certain conditions and match situation, he can be quite an effective bowler (used to have superb death bowling back in 14-15'). He is no Mercedes, but that doesn't mean that a Honda and Suzuki (Junaid and Rumman) are the same thing. I could be wrong though...

 

[Shafi]

JUnaid should replace Amir and Shinwary should replace Rummon

 

[Manager101]

He is better that Rumman, that's for sure.

 

[Hamstead_joy]

[MENTION=132865]Artless Dodges[/MENTION]

I had seen scathing attacks on Junaid Khan on this forum when he was playing, questioning his bowling action, saying he is not good enough, he should be dropped, etc... esp. during WI tour and CT last year. There have been attempts to discredit his contribution, same line is being taken against Sarfaraz nowadays.
I always believe, to discredit crucial contributors in the team are some of the strategies to protect some bad eggs in the team by not supporting openly just diverting criticism away from them. When Junaid was criticised during Australian and West Indies Tour it was to help the no ball spray gun Wahab Riaz.

Coming back to who would he have replaced. The only one who deserves to be replaced is that wonder boy Amir. He has'nteventried whereas the others tried.
This was Rumman and Faheem's first tour and they bowled more than what was expected of them. They took responsiblity and bowled against the wind, tried their best to manage. Rumman is more of T20 bowler but he still bowled well in patches.
Amir despite given the better conditions nlike the rest bowled defensively thruout the tour. He is only good with the new bowl he deliberately failed to take any wickets with new bowl in this tour which is major reason. He has repeated his pathetic performance from lost test series vs Sri LAnka but some are trying to shift blame by questioning the new bowlers on technicalities who have yet to mature.

 

[Titan24]

Junaid would have been smashed on these pitches and small boundaries with his back of length trundling. He has no pace, cannot swing the ball a centimeter, and is only effective when the ball reverses, which no longer happens in ODIs.

He can be useful occasionally on abrasive surfaces. Pretty much an inferior version of Umar Gul - good when things are going his way, but a hack and a captain's nightmare when the batsmen take him on.

He was never a swing bowler, he has always been someone who seams the ball. You can see his dismissals of Kohli and Sangakarra to realize where I am coming from.

To me he is a pretty good bowler but problem with our attack is we have 3, 4 skillful bowlers of same height and almost same pace, yes they are different in terms of variations and yes angles differ from left arm to right arm but it sometimes gets too monotonous.

We need someone fast, Shinwari generated some pace before getting injured and I have heard goo things about Ahmed Jamal.

A tall bowler like Mohmmad Irfan snr and well as Mohammad Irfan Jnr (If he increases bit of pace) can be handy because of their height. Shaheen Shah is still young and Sadaf Hussain lacks pace but can be tried.

 

[Inzi_fan_No_1]

The way we are bowling even Wahab looks an option

 

[Fahdi]

We need genuine wicket takers especially up front. Someone who pitches it up and gets wickets with the new ball. Amir has been pretty toothless and doesn't turn up unless the situation puts the fight in him. He honestly deserves to be benched. Junaid honestly doesn't cut it, he is decent at best, he can make the team but he won't change the look of this outfit. We need another bowler like Hassan; someone who is a match winner with his bowling.

 

[DRsohail]

Hopefully not. He is average.

Better than the golden guy,at least try his best.

 

[Hasan123]

Decent bowler but not as big a loss as Pakistan fans think.

 

[Iddy]

JUnaid should replace Amir and Shinwary should replace Rummon

Totally agree. Based on who is available I would go with Hasan Ali, Junaid Khan and Shinwari. I always supported Amir but he has now had long enough since his comeback.

 

[moghul]

Forget about Junaid, move on, bring on Shaheen. Yes, he is very young and still has to learn a lot but let him learn on the job. He is not going to learn in Pakistan's crap domestic cricket. If Imran Khan can throw waqar, Wasim and Aaqib into deep and let them swim , Shaheen is not less talented, who knows.

 

[CricFan2012]

Awful bowler

 

[Abid Z]

Junaid is the best death bowler we have.