Does anyone genuinely believe that team selection is the problem here?

[FlickedOffHips]

I realise how much of an improvement Shahzad is over some of these guys. he should be brought back. even butt has a chance on merit.
finally, if you're a PAK fan, you can't wait for Haris sohail to return.

 

[Seamer]

Don't you remember the way he played in England? He deserves a chance in odis

 

[PlaynAmusement]

Need mental toughness drilled into us

Would we start winning or would results change if we play the best possible team we could select. (which obv is different for everyone and for some the best team might as well be actually on the field today)

The constant thing missing with the boys is that self belief, fearless playing style, look at Bangladesh, look in the England test series where Arthur called for our warrior instinct- we need a psychiatrist

 

[coy0607]

i guess he meant those who played today

but he can replace them with whoever and results aint changin in immediate term

at least we'd be building towards something... with Azhar, Hafeez, Wahab and gang, what's the upside

this is the best we'll ever be with this team. Babar and Amir are the only guy's who has significant room to improve in the next 5 + years

 

[Asim2Good]

I'm all for trying out new options like Fakhar but I think kamran is the best option right now with Sharjeel. He should be given his last chance as he is doing so well in domestic cricket..in the form of his life at the moment.

post like these are why we don't have any right to complain about our team and selectors.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

I realise how much of an improvement Shahzad is over some of these guys. he should be brought back. even butt has a chance on merit.
finally, if you're a PAK fan, you can't wait for Haris sohail to return.

Shehzad is an improvement over whom?

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Can a better team be selected? Yes. Will it be good enough to beat Australia in Australia? No.

 

[ali2220]

I realise how much of an improvement Shahzad is over some of these guys. he should be brought back. even butt has a chance on merit.
finally, if you're a PAK fan, you can't wait for Haris sohail to return.

Aik to haar par haar, upar se parosi ke baddua!

 

[FlickedOffHips]

Shehzad is an improvement over whom?

moha the batsman- liable at top of the order. can find a way to edge even straight deliveries to slip. not the stability you need in an opener/no 3( atleast not outside Asia). PAK need another accumulator in the top order. Shahzad is that. It looks like his game has improved too.

akmal- another liability, between overs 16-40. doesn't know how to bat through an innings.

also, with PAK batting as vulnerable as it is, you could play an extra batsman, so he could replace one of the spinning all-arounders, maybe nawaz. get azhar to bowl a bit.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

moha the batsman- liable at top of the order. can find a way to edge even straight deliveries to slip. not the stability you need in an opener/no 3( atleast not outside Asia). PAK need another accumulator in the top order. Shahzad is that. It looks like his game has improved too.

akmal- another liability, between overs 16-40. doesn't know how to bat through an innings.

also, with PAK batting as vulnerable as it is, you could play an extra batsman, so he could replace one of the spinning all-arounders, maybe nawaz. get azhar to bowl a bit.

Hafeez is not a regular anymore. He's a fill-in.

Shehzad averages the same as Umar with Misbah's SR. No thanks.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Lol at people calling for shehzads inclusion. Garbage player

 

[Ellipsism]

Lol at people calling for shehzads inclusion. Garbage player

But but he's charismatic and has a swaggy aura about him.

 

[Speedster777]

I would take Shehzad/Butt over hafeez/azhar anyday

 

[Bilal7]

Sharjeel, Babar, Akmal, Imad, Amir and Riaz are the best LOI players in Pakistan and they have been rightfully selected. Then you have Irfan and Sarfaraz who were also selected but had to drop out. Azhar has to be selected because he is the captain.

For some of the disputed choices like Hafeez, the selectors have said that the captain and coach specifically asked for them. Rizwan is the young, backup keeper who has batted well for Pakistan in the past and picking him over Kamran Akmal makes sense. You can't have two veteran keepers in the side at the same time. Junaid Khan is a proven quality bowler and it is good to see that he has been given another chance.

The selectors are definitely not the problem. They are picking players on merit, out of need or out of necessity and doing a good job of it. The rest of it is down to the players and please tell me how the shots that Sharjeel, Akmal, Babar played or the way Hassan bowled is the fault of the selection committee.

Some of our fans are so convinced that our players are the best in the world that they think a defeat in the home ground of the #1 side in the world, also a team that holds a psychological edge over us, MUST be because the selectors are corrupt or the system is rigged.

They are not and it is not.

 

[Bilal7]

at least we'd be building towards something... with Azhar, Hafeez, Wahab and gang, what's the upside

this is the best we'll ever be with this team. Babar and Amir are the only guy's who has significant room to improve in the next 5 + years

Throwing young players to the wolves does more harm than good. If you play debutants against Australia in Australia, they'll be scarred. Azhar is the captain and had to be selected, he is the one who asked for Hafeez and as far as Riaz goes, he's easily one of the best bowlers in Pakistan.

The next WC is not what we should plan towards. There is a CT tournament later on this year and we need the best players, regardless of age, to be playing that.

 

[Pollack]

Selection isn't the issue.Approach towards the game is.I think Pakistani batsman know the issue but are scared to change due to fear of not scoring much and getting out.

 

[waleed88]

The captain is a liability in the team. I am one of his biggest fans but there seems to be no change of mode in him. After giving him some good no. of games I have come to this conclusion that he is a misfit in the ODI side. He just can't play according to the ODI requirements. He looks good only when Sharjeel is firing on the other end and runs are coming easily but once the batsmen on the other end are stuck you can clearly see Azhar struggling.

The guy was your second highest run scorer in England, he played just one game here and pulled up a hamstring.. scored one 100 against WI.. give him a break man

 

[marlonbrowndo]

But but he's charismatic and has a swaggy aura about him.

Only for his half a dozen or so fans

 

[FlickedOffHips]

Hafeez is not a regular anymore. He's a fill-in.

Shehzad averages the same as Umar with Misbah's SR. No thanks.

that first sentence )
you clearly haven't noticed how shahzad has played in the domestics recently. surprising because he keeps goin' on about it :ahmed. btw, i'm less of a fan than you think but the fact is that he's good enough to be in the team. watch, he'll be back.

 

[Statsman]

Wasim Akram has been calling for Shehzad's return as well. He's been doing well in domestics. Can't deny that.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

The constant thing missing with the boys is that self belief, fearless playing style, look at Bangladesh, look in the England test series where Arthur called for our warrior instinct- we need a psychiatrist

Just revamp the side and get rid of all the old guns... Setup a new team and energize their attitude, belief and confidence...This is what it did for England post CWC'15 to turn the tables.. Now they are one of the best LOI sides in the world...

 

[Chief Destroyer]

that first sentence )
you clearly haven't noticed how shahzad has played in the domestics recently. surprising because he keeps goin' on about it :ahmed. btw, i'm less of a fan than you think but the fact is that he's good enough to be in the team. watch, he'll be back.

What about the first sentence?

Shehzad isn't the only one who's bullied in domestic.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Will have selection blunder in the 2nd game as well..Lets wait and see..

 

[Hasan123]

There's a problem with selecting Rahat, Hafeez,Wahab,Nawaz,Irfan,Azhar, Asad, and not selecting a seam bowling all rounder.

 

[coy0607]

Throwing young players to the wolves does more harm than good. If you play debutants against Australia in Australia, they'll be scarred. Azhar is the captain and had to be selected, he is the one who asked for Hafeez and as far as Riaz goes, he's easily one of the best bowlers in Pakistan.

The next WC is not what we should plan towards. There is a CT tournament later on this year and we need the best players, regardless of age, to be playing that.

thats total bogus.. all of the greatest players Pakistan have produced have come when very young players have been thrown into tough situation

last 5+ years we've gone away from that strategy and we've preceded to fall to 8/9 ranked team in the world

 

[Bilal7]

thats total bogus.. all of the greatest players Pakistan have produced have come when very young players have been thrown into tough situation

last 5+ years we've gone away from that strategy and we've preceded to fall to 8/9 ranked team in the world

That was true in the 90s but things have changed now. The best Pakistani players of the last decade have been those that were brought late into the team and they reached their peaks, when they were nearing 32.

Ajmal, Misbah, Younis, Azhar, Shafiq, Shah, Riaz, Sarfaraz. You name it.

 

[ali2220]

That was true in the 90s but things have changed now. The best Pakistani players of the last decade have been those that were brought late into the team and they reached their peaks, when they were nearing 32.

Ajmal, Misbah, Younis, Azhar, Shafiq, Shah, Riaz, Sarfaraz. You name it.

That was also because the captain in recent past felt more comfortable in playing with 30 plus and buzurg players than with youngsters.For example Misbah prefer playing ajmal and another 40 plus spinner but is reluctant to try youngsters.
Right now our best players in onedayers are Babar and Imad Waseem, both are young and energetic,and if our OD cricket is to improve, then we need more players like them.

 

[Speedster777]

That was also because the captain in recent past felt more comfortable in playing with 30 plus and buzurg players than with youngsters.For example Misbah prefer playing ajmal and another 40 plus spinner but is reluctant to try youngsters..

Because the youngsters ( imad, akmal, shehzad) are not "ache bachas" who will do as the captain pleases. Misbah doesn't want youngsters , seniors like younis suit him as his own place remains secured, with youngsters there's a chance they will be good and Misbah's own place will be in danger.

 

[coy0607]

That was true in the 90s but things have changed now. The best Pakistani players of the last decade have been those that were brought late into the team and they reached their peaks, when they were nearing 32.

Ajmal, Misbah, Younis, Azhar, Shafiq, Shah, Riaz, Sarfaraz. You name it.

the only true proven 'star' in that list Younis, and he started his career in his early 20s

the others are good players, but none of them is a Pakistani great

every single great player in Pakistan's history started their career early, they learned from being thrown in to the fire

 

[ads101]

Sometimes I think you've got to let time take it's course. For example I do feel eventually Shehzad and Umar will cement their spot, just a matter of time. Often the ones that do eventually succeed are guys who are earmarked early in their career and continually perform in domestic.

In the future I feel like the team will be something like this:

1. Shehzad
2. Jamshed
3. Babar Azam
4. Fawad Alam
5. Sarfraz
6. Umar Akmal
7. batsman
8. Imad
9. Amir
10. Hasan Ali
11. Fast bowler, Not sure atm

 

[New Yorker]

I think you saw the importance of sarfaraz at 4 or 5 today. We really missed him. Nawaz over Malik also silly and your senior bowler going for 7 an over on that pitch was criminal. I'm tired of the of inconsistency that wahab demonstrates. Awesome one day horrible the next.

Rubbish. Wahab is never awesome. Awesome as a bowler in ODI cricket means you take a 4fer or 5fer every now and then.

 

[New Yorker]

That was true in the 90s but things have changed now. The best Pakistani players of the last decade have been those that were brought late into the team and they reached their peaks, when they were nearing 32.

Ajmal, Misbah, Younis, Azhar, Shafiq, Shah, Riaz, Sarfaraz. You name it.

When did Riaz reach something that could plausibly be described as a peak?

 

[Bilal7]

That was also because the captain in recent past felt more comfortable in playing with 30 plus and buzurg players than with youngsters.For example Misbah prefer playing ajmal and another 40 plus spinner but is reluctant to try youngsters.
Right now our best players in onedayers are Babar and Imad Waseem, both are young and energetic,and if our OD cricket is to improve, then we need more players like them.

the only true proven 'star' in that list Younis, and he started his career in his early 20s

the others are good players, but none of them is a Pakistani great

every single great player in Pakistan's history started their career early, they learned from being thrown in to the fire

Ajmal was the best spinner in the world from 2011 to 2013. Azhar is the best opener in the world right now. Shafiq is a very good batsman too and is respected worldwide. Misbah is a definite Pakistani star and so is Shah.

Babar and Imad are good players which is why they are in the side. Their age has nothing to do with it.

When did Riaz reach something that could plausibly be described as a peak?

In 2015.

 

[coy0607]

Ajmal was the best spinner in the world from 2011 to 2013. Azhar is the best opener in the world right now. Shafiq is a very good batsman too and is respected worldwide. Misbah is a definite Pakistani star and so is Shah.

Babar and Imad are good players which is why they are in the side. Their age has nothing to do with it.



In 2015.

None of the players you listed is a Pakistani legend right now, except Younis
They may be very good, but we are talking about ATGs here. Only Younis fits the bill out of the current lot

 

[proud_pakistani]

Teams selected are OK. Its only a case of 2-3 players being debatable in most cases. Tho I do think our test fast bowling the selectors have been getting wrong from a long time.