Does God Exist? | Javed Akhtar vs Mufti Shamail Nadwi

[rpant_gabba]

^ That was an epic thread. I think I ran circles around you.

nice try with the dodge.

you have claimed rule giver decides what is moral.

if god commands you to rape your neighbors child? rape your colleagues wife? murder your boss son?

you take your ques from theologians and theology has changed from committing genocide and rape is ok to not ok. what if it goes back?

Lets say the church decides that all of that fair game now, would you participate?

If youa re confident in rule givers morality, you'd have not problem answering these questions.

smart money says you'll deflect

If God came down and commanded me to do something, I would do it ..why .. because he is God lol. You would too.

Answer my question about baby torturers.

Quick reference for others who don't have time to dig thro the 8 page thread. this is you running circle around me.

 

[Local.Dada]

Karma strictly means the repurcussions for your actions extend into the reincarnation or rebirth.

I am not so sure that atheists believe it, or that not believing it makes a person a psychopath.

All you had to do was basic google and see what the first basic definition Google throws your way. (Please see bolded word)

In Hinduism,
karma (Sanskrit for "action" or "deed") is the universal law of cause and effect where every thought, word, and action generates consequences, shaping a person's destiny across current and future lives within the cycle of rebirth

 

[DeadlyVenom]

All you had to do was basic google and see what the first basic definition Google throws your way. (Please see bolded word)

In Hinduism,
karma (Sanskrit for "action" or "deed") is the universal law of cause and effect where every thought, word, and action generates consequences, shaping a person's destiny across current and future lives within the cycle of rebirth

The basic Google search is saying what I said brother.

If you take away the "and future lives" is it really Karma ?

 

[LordJames]

Astika is someone who believes in Vedas and the Gods of it along with Karma and Moksha.
Nastika is someone who rejects the Vedas and the deities. But the person believes in Karma. I feel Nastika is more closer to. Buddhism because of the rejection of Vedas and Gods.
India always had Charuvakas who were the closest to atheism. They rejected Vedas and also Buddhism and Jainism, Soul, Nirvana and Moksha. They only believed what they can see and experience.

Agreed and I was saying the same thing.

Appreciate your input.

 

[LordJames]

Brutal dismantling of Javed Akhtar the over hyped Hindutva backed "Indian Secularist" by Mufti Shamail Nadwi of Kolkata

Those arguing that Javed Akhtar is a novice while Mufti Shamail Nadwi is a Theologian, here is different participants with the same result. @ElRaja

Islam vs Atheism: Professor Lawrence Maxwell Krauss (Theoretical Physicist and Cosmologist) vs Hamza Andreas Tzortzis

 

[Local.Dada]

The basic Google search is saying what I said brother.

If you take away the "and future lives" is it really Karma ?

Half-baked understanding might be a recurring pattern here so let me try to over- simplify,

Karma the word that most use in our day to day colloquial speak is just basically a cooler word for repercussions or like the phrase goes: reaping what you sow. The English usage itself might have origins rooted in Hindusim but that’s only a half-definition. So I am surprised how you got only the “future lives” part from Google instead of the more colloquial usage? Anyway not important.

Dharma- Karma- Moksha. These are the 3 intertwined concepts you need to focus on, karma is a result of your dharma

dharma is a Sanskrit word that stands for multiple synonymous words such as - duty/ responsibility/ moral guide/ profession.

Hindu theology believes you pay for your karma either in this life or if unfulfilled in your next life and the cycle will continue till eternity unless one attains Moksha. Hence our religion is called “Sanatana Dharma” Sanatana- meaning Eternal .

Moksha means becoming one with God or liberation meaning assimilating with god. That’s the final goal, all materialistic stuff will come with good karma but the objective is to get a zero sum karma game and attain Moksha and assimilate with god. That’s the over arching philosophy.

That is obviously an over- simplified version for you for a religion that has compilations of many ancient Indic texts and philosophies for over 5000+ years . So you already taking out a key word in what is already is a complex philosophy doesn’t really help matters and does change some underlying context . Hope this was useful or if not that’s ok too . That’s the best I could explain, I am sure you can research your way and find better resources than me for sure lol, won’t be that tough.

On topic- I do believe in god/higher power . You can call me a Hindu- agnostic.

 

[CricVet]

Good, let's extend your understanding.

Creator is nothing like the creation so an exact example for what the Creator is doing cannot be given because Creator is nothing like the creation.

Here, in the simple example of patient vs Doctor an idea is being conveyed that there are flaws in creating a picture from a pixel and it can be extrapolated to try to ascertain a bigger picture.

The idea of "probability" is your conjecture, the Doctor can be dead certain that injection will provide a cure but from the child's perspective the pixel extrapolation to a full picture is still based on pain.

The people of Gaza are being butchered and they clearly understand that it is a test for them and these are dozens of testimonies, it's the "Atheists" inserting themselves into the argument and extrapolating something which isn't true.

The people of Gaza are Theists so an their example should be extrapolated based on their worldview.

The example of Patient vs Child is perfectly apt in showing the limitations of extrapolation based on a pixel and whether the Doctor is certain or reasonably sure or hopeful about the treatment is irrelevant!

You can try to spin the argument any which way you want, the example is inapt. BTW, I am not saying that GOD does not exist. I am raising a point that it is an invalid example. There is no way you can compare the 2 different dimensions (God and GOD's creation) using example of one another's domain. It DOES NOT work that way. It shows desperation to prove a point.

 

[HalBass9]

Hold your camels ... you will know soon .... but if you are in a hurry look at post# 135 .... specifically the 1st sentence. Pretty sure you are smart enough to use your imagination as to why Post# 137 looks very different

You do live in alternative world, perhaps the only way you can find justification for the mass murder of humans.

 

[uppercut]

You do live in alternative world, perhaps the only way you can find justification for the mass murder of humans.

In your supposedly very real world deliberate desecration of sacred beliefs of Hindus in India is a non-negotiable Right ehh ?

 

[rpant_gabba]

Those arguing that Javed Akhtar is a novice while Mufti Shamail Nadwi is a Theologian, here is different participants with the same result. @ElRaja

Islam vs Atheism: Professor Lawrence Maxwell Krauss (Theoretical Physicist and Cosmologist) vs Hamza Andreas Tzortzis

speaking if Hamza

Does the Qur’an Contain Scientific Miracles? A New Approach on how to Reconcile and Discuss Science in the Qur’an

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"Regrettably, the scientific miracles narrative has become an intellectual embarrassment for Muslim apologists, including myself"

 

[Suleiman]

I’m only going to say this once.

Bump that thread where you supposedly answered anything





What was "presented" ? If anything the moment I start dealing with the usual green brgade over here you guys run to mods and try to get me banned or restricted thats the extend of your "presentation" ... if you got guts stand up and debate like a man on equal terms ... which you NEVER EVER WILL because you very well know that you will get badly owned.





what standard are you talking about ?

No, I never claimed Hinduism is a science as no religion is. Religions are spiritual frameworks. But ancient Hindu texts contain remarkably accurate astronomical observations that align with modern measurements that are part of Hindu scriptures that are centuries before Islam or Abrahamic scriptures by few millennia.

Some Examples:

• Vast cosmic cycles: One kalpa ≈ 4.32 billion years which is remarkably close to Earth's actual age (~4.5 billion).
• Jupiter's orbital period approximated as 12 years (real: 11.86 years) used to time events like the Maha Kumbh Mela 2025 in Prayagraj, where Jupiter in Taurus + Sun in Capricorn created a rare alignment promoted as extra-auspicious (once in 144 years), drawing largest human gathering ever.
• Earth-Sun/Moon distance ratios ≈108–110 times diameters near modern values.
• Earth's daily rotation explained by Aryabhata (499 CE).
• Cosmic egg (Brahmanda) emerging into expansion evocative of Big Bang models.

Heck Ramayana is approx 7000 yrs old and thats based on cosmic events described in it.

Pick between the bolded and non bolded halves of your post that you want to take this conversation in the direction of.

I’m not doing both.

I respect Islam too much to have one part of my post tearing you down and engaging in ad hominem and labelling you as this and that brigade, because trust me, I can dish it out too.

As for which thread we have discussed in before, I don’t remember, it was years ago, I don’t keep track of hundreds of threads every year, but you have discussed this at length with many users here and I remember going in depth as well.

We can discuss again though, don’t worry, nobody is afraid.

If we go the civil discussion route though, cut the bs in the first half of your post, if not, then no need to discuss something as important and sacred as religion with me, something so holy will be brought down by us just attacking each other and being distracted in our discussion to “badly own” the other as you so aptly put.

Also if debating just for the sake of proving yourself to “be a man” is the purpose of this discussion, then again, I couldn’t care less.

Frankly I think it’s a bit weird to be trying to prove your manhood to anonymous men over the internet. If that’s what this is, then im good lol. Don’t really care if you’re a man or not. However, if it’s genuine curiosity and clearing up misconceptions and not a “let me prove I’m the best debater” type of thing then let’s talk.


If you want to me to purely discuss religion with you, then say that, and leave this tough guy nonsense at the door. Whatever grievances you have with other users or mods on here, I don’t care.

———

Spoiler

If you choose the discussion route, know that my duty is simply to present the full facts from the Quran and Hadith as a Muslim, if they point to science, cool I will present that. However I don’t worship scientific papers or scientists, or politicians, so do not expect me to use them as the primary basis of presenting the Islamic belief.

Nor is my job to change your mind.

That is your choice. My job is to make sure you have the full picture of whatever your queries are regarding Islam, primarily based on the cornerstone of knowledge for Muslims which is the Quran and Hadith. And if I don’t know the answer, I will straight up say that too, I don’t claim to be a scholar.

Let me know which direction you want to take the conversation and we’ll begin.

Again, my responses may be delayed since I treat this topic with caution, this isn’t something I’m going to post a quick one liner and call it a day unless it seems like our discussion has reached its natural end.

I’m willing to have a conversation about topics that interest me in good faith with anyone, I don’t really care about owning or owning, if that sounds good then let’s talk.

Thanks.

 

[HalBass9]

In your supposedly very real world deliberate desecration of sacred beliefs of Hindus in India is a non-negotiable Right ehh ?

Slaughtering humans over anyones beliefs should be non-negotiable but for bigots and intolerant it isn't.

 

[HalBass9]

I’m only going to say this once.






Pick between the bolded and non bolded halves of your post that you want to take this conversation in the direction of.

I’m not doing both.

I respect Islam too much to have one part of my post tearing you down and engaging in ad hominem and labelling you as this and that brigade, because trust me, I can dish it out too.

As for which thread we have discussed in before, I don’t remember, it was years ago, I don’t keep track of hundreds of threads every year, but you have discussed this at length with many users here and I remember going in depth as well.

We can discuss again though, don’t worry, nobody is afraid.

If we go the civil discussion route though, cut the bs in the first half of your post, if not, then no need to discuss something as important and sacred as religion with me, something so holy will be brought down by us just attacking each other and being distracted in our discussion to “badly own” the other as you so aptly put.

Also if debating just for the sake of proving yourself to “be a man” is the purpose of this discussion, then again, I couldn’t care less.

Frankly I think it’s a bit weird to be trying to prove your manhood to anonymous men over the internet. If that’s what this is, then im good lol. Don’t really care if you’re a man or not. However, if it’s genuine curiosity and clearing up misconceptions and not a “let me prove I’m the best debater” type of thing then let’s talk.


If you want to me to purely discuss religion with you, then say that, and leave this tough guy nonsense at the door. Whatever grievances you have with other users or mods on here, I don’t care.

———

Spoiler

If you choose the discussion route, know that my duty is simply to present the full facts from the Quran and Hadith as a Muslim, if they point to science, cool I will present that. However I don’t worship scientific papers or scientists, or politicians, so do not expect me to use them as the primary basis of presenting the Islamic belief.

Nor is my job to change your mind.

That is your choice. My job is to make sure you have the full picture of whatever your queries are regarding Islam, primarily based on the cornerstone of knowledge for Muslims which is the Quran and Hadith. And if I don’t know the answer, I will straight up say that too, I don’t claim to be a scholar.

Let me know which direction you want to take the conversation and we’ll begin.

Again, my responses may be delayed since I treat this topic with caution, this isn’t something I’m going to post a quick one liner and call it a day unless it seems like our discussion has reached its natural end.

I’m willing to have a conversation about topics that interest me in good faith with anyone, I don’t really care about owning or owning, if that sounds good then let’s talk.

Thanks.

Why would anyone bother to have any discussion about religion who believes slaughtering humans over belief is their inherited right, why would anyone disrespect themselves?

 

[rpant_gabba]

Slaughtering humans over anyones beliefs should be non-negotiable but for bigots and intolerant it isn't.

so what say you my man, does furgle burgle exist?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Half-baked understanding might be a recurring pattern here so let me try to over- simplify,

Karma the word that most use in our day to day colloquial speak is just basically a cooler word for repercussions or like the phrase goes: reaping what you sow. The English usage itself might have origins rooted in Hindusim but that’s only a half-definition. So I am surprised how you got only the “future lives” part from Google instead of the more colloquial usage? Anyway not important.

Dharma- Karma- Moksha. These are the 3 intertwined concepts you need to focus on, karma is a result of your dharma

dharma is a Sanskrit word that stands for multiple synonymous words such as - duty/ responsibility/ moral guide/ profession.

Hindu theology believes you pay for your karma either in this life or if unfulfilled in your next life and the cycle will continue till eternity unless one attains Moksha. Hence our religion is called “Sanatana Dharma” Sanatana- meaning Eternal .

Moksha means becoming one with God or liberation meaning assimilating with god. That’s the final goal, all materialistic stuff will come with good karma but the objective is to get a zero sum karma game and attain Moksha and assimilate with god. That’s the over arching philosophy.

That is obviously an over- simplified version for you for a religion that has compilations of many ancient Indic texts and philosophies for over 5000+ years . So you already taking out a key word in what is already is a complex philosophy doesn’t really help matters and does change some underlying context . Hope this was useful or if not that’s ok too . That’s the best I could explain, I am sure you can research your way and find better resources than me for sure lol, won’t be that tough.

On topic- I do believe in god/higher power . You can call me a Hindu- agnostic.

No, what you are saying makes complete sense, and thanks for the explanation. I am not interested in the colloquial usage; it is just a term thrown around that has been de-hinduized, westerners have watered down some aspects of Islamic sufism in the same way.

My point is that I find it difficult that someone can believe in these concepts, in their truest Hindu sense, and at the same time have certainty that there is no God as ( to me) they seem like religious concepts that depend on a divine entity.
I can understand being Hindu-agnostic, or believing in Higher powers and not believing in traditional god/gods, but not that someone would believe in these universal laws/systems while negating the presence of the divine.

Hope it makes sense.

 

[Bhaijaan]

People often use the terms Sanatan and Hinduism in the same sense but both are different.

Sanatan Dharma is the religion.
Hinduism is the culture.

Many Hindus are policurious when it comes to religion. The India that k grew up, I used to know so many people who would go to mosques, temples, girudwaras, church, mazar etc everywhere as they liked.

There are also Hindu atheists and agonists.

Hinduism has been one of the most inclusive and open minded cultures.

Also, historically we used to have Sanatani Muslims who were very different from Arab muslims and were a lot more open minded as per the culture of their ancestors/

 

[Local.Dada]

No, what you are saying makes complete sense, and thanks for the explanation. I am not interested in the colloquial usage; it is just a term thrown around that has been de-hinduized, westerners have watered down some aspects of Islamic sufism in the same way.

My point is that I find it difficult that someone can believe in these concepts, in their truest Hindu sense, and at the same time have certainty that there is no God as ( to me) they seem like religious concepts that depend on a divine entity.
I can understand being Hindu-agnostic, or believing in Higher powers and not believing in traditional god/gods, but not that someone would believe in these universal laws/systems while negating the presence of the divine.

Hope it makes sense.

There is no such thing as “gods” in Hinduism. the Sanskrit/ Hindu word is “Devta” and in English it’s called “deities” probably derived from the same term.

The word for god is- Ishwar/ Bhagwan.

Hindus also beleive god is one. However the manifestation of god can be in multiple forms. That’s the concept most seem to grasp from Abrahamic religions.

As I said above the main philosophy of Hinduism is -all paths lead to god, be it you worship a deity, you are agnostic or even an atheist as long as you perform your dharma properly towards your family, profession, society.

For example- Muslims beleive in 1 god, however most will not get offended if someone says they don’t believe in god or god is fake/ doesn’t exist or even if they say something offensive about god.

However if someone says anything derogatory about the prophet (PBUH) people will get super triggered and violent. That comes from seeing the prophet as a symbol/representation of carrying the word of god. Same thing with Christians:Jesus or Mother Mary are seen as symbols/icons of Christianity. This more or less ventures in the deity category.

I am not saying you beleive this or not but that’s how the masses adopt most religions. You have a god but you also have some manifestation or symbolic representation.

 

[anikrc1]

Does the Mufti's points stand around every effect must have a cause and as everything in reality have a cause then the begining of the universe should also have a cause, and as there can't be an infinite chain there must be a starting point and that point is god, or some variantbof this line of logic? Basically that's the only line I have seen which Abrahamic faiths present, so is that all there is to it, or is there something more?

 

[anikrc1]

There is no such thing as “gods” in Hinduism. the Sanskrit/ Hindu word is “Devta” and in English it’s called “deities” probably derived from the same term.

The word for god is- Ishwar/ Bhagwan.

Hindus also beleive god is one. However the manifestation of god can be in multiple forms. That’s the concept most seem to grasp from Abrahamic religions.

As I said above the main philosophy of Hinduism is -all paths lead to god, be it you worship a deity, you are agnostic or even an atheist as long as you perform your dharma properly towards your family, profession, society.

For example- Muslims beleive in 1 god, however most will not get offended if someone says they don’t believe in god or god is fake/ doesn’t exist or even if they say something offensive about god.

However if someone says anything derogatory about the prophet (PBUH) people will get super triggered and violent. That comes from seeing the prophet as a symbol/representation of carrying the word of god. Same thing with Christians:Jesus or Mother Mary are seen as symbols/icons of Christianity. This more or less ventures in the deity category.

I am not saying you beleive this or not but that’s how the masses adopt most religions. You have a god but you also have some manifestation or symbolic representation.

Hindu's can believe in one god, many gods or no gods. Hinduism is not centered around god, it's centered around id or self. Neither this is true, nor that was true, you, the observer is the only truth. That's Hinduism in a line.

 

[uppercut]

Slaughtering humans over anyones beliefs should be non-negotiable but for bigots and intolerant it isn't.

ahh so you want carte blanche full rights for Muslims in India to defile, desecrate sacred Hindu beliefs with ZERO consequences ?

 

[HalBass9]

ahh so you want carte blanche full rights for Muslims in India to defile, desecrate sacred Hindu beliefs with ZERO consequences ?

Murdering people over your beliefs is called a crime.

For bigots and the intolerant, though, it’s apparently a merit badge, congrats, you’ve unlocked Moral Bankruptcy Expert Mode.

 

[rpant_gabba]

You can try to spin the argument any which way you want, the example is inapt. BTW, I am not saying that GOD does not exist. I am raising a point that it is an invalid example. There is no way you can compare the 2 different dimensions (God and GOD's creation) using example of one another's domain. It DOES NOT work that way. It shows desperation to prove a point.

You get the sense these are getting riffed from sermons for unquestioning masses and getting blended with language from Christian apologetics.

 

[uppercut]

Murdering people over your beliefs is called a crime.

For bigots and the intolerant, though, it’s apparently a merit badge, congrats, you’ve unlocked Moral Bankruptcy Expert Mode.

Translation: You want full "Rights" for Muslims in India to indulge in desecrating very sacred Hindu beliefs with no consequences and repercussions. Anyone who gets in the way is the real bigot according to you.

And ?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

ahh so you want carte blanche full rights for Muslims in India to defile, desecrate sacred Hindu beliefs with ZERO consequences ?

Do you support the Charlie Hedbo attackers?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

@rpant_gabba replying here than on bazball thread.

I dont have a definition for hindu-athiest. But some hindus have defined it in the above posts ^

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Translation: You want full "Rights" for Muslims in India to indulge in desecrating very sacred Hindu beliefs with no consequences and repercussions. Anyone who gets in the way is the real bigot according to you.

And ?

You are surely acting like one.

 

[rpant_gabba]

@rpant_gabba replying here than on bazball thread.

I dont have a definition for hindu-athiest. But some hindus have defined it in the above posts ^

I'm guess they are splitting the definition of "hindu" One in a religious aspect adhering to the religious requirements and the other in a social cultural activities as in following "traditions"

going by that definition, I'm not.

to me following tradition = turning off your brain and taking part in activities with understanding their origins and relevance.

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Beachcombing is not a huge fan of Bismarck (what’s there to like?), but his memoirs have some great passages. This story is one of those WIBT (Wish I’d Been There) moments and relates to a visit to St Petersburg in 1859. If Beach had read this at second hand he would have pressed the ‘legend’ […]

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During the first spring days it was then the custom for every one connected with the court to promenade in the Summer Garden between Paul’s Palace and the Neva. There the Emperor had noticed a sentry standing in the middle of a grass plot; in reply to the question why he was standing there, the soldier could only answer, ‘Those are my ordered.’ The Emperor therefore sent one of his adjutants to the guard-room to make inquiries; but no explanation was forthcoming except that a sentry had to stand there winter and summer. The source of the original order could no longer be discovered. The matter was talked of at course, and reached the ears of the servants. One of these, an old pensioner, came forward and stated that his father had cone said to him as they passed the sentry in the Summer Garden: ‘There he is, still standing to guard the flower; on that spot the Empress Catherine [obit 1796] once noticed a snowdrop in bloom unusually early, and gave orders that it was not to be plucked.’ This command had been carried out by placing a sentry on the spot, and ever since then one had stood there all the year round.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Hindu get out clause .01 we believe all is possible and nothing is possible.

 

[uppercut]

Do you support the Charlie Hedbo attackers?

The key difference between the Charlie Hebdo case and the Muslims in India who indulge in unprovoked and deliberate desecration of very Sacred Hindu beliefs in India is that the latter have been at it in India for Centuries ( Not a few years or decades but Centuries). Furthermore all civilized means of trying to reason with Muslims have been tried over and over again with very little meaningful reciprocation. (IF this forum is anything to go by, I have been the most vocal poster on these topics and the utterly unhinged responses from well educated Muslims is shocking to say the least).

Even furthermore this unhinged and naked in-the-face type of bigotry is not restricted to cows. It includes extremely sacred Hindu Temples that have been destroyed and mosques built on top of them and Muslims stoutly refusing to vacate them, ethnic cleansing, countless acts of grave violence and the list goes on and on .... Hence why right wing Hindu vigilante groups no-longer try to take the civilized options when such rogue Muslim elements indulge in their bigotry.

Despite all of that mind numbing violent history which continues to this day you will rarely ever find any right wing Hindu group in India drawing a cartoon of your prophet or opening liquor pork shop besides mosques. This is the difference between the two sides. And let me assure you this comes from first hand experiences living besides Muslims in India.

but to answer your question .... I do not support anyone who deliberately indulges in violating religious beliefs of any community including Muslims. Not sure if you know this but India has laws which protect religious sentiments and free-speech cannot be used as an excuse to get away with such crimes. Free speech in India is not absolute and comes with restrictions.​

 

[Technics 1210]

Hindu get out clause .01 we believe all is possible and nothing is possible.

We are all equal but some are more equal than others.

 

[Technics 1210]

It's no wonder Bharamanism has failed to influence, let alone conquer mindsets, over 5000 years.

There's no cornerstone.

The result is clear.

Chaos within the cult.

 

[rpant_gabba]

Lets get this thread back on topic. does furgle burgle exist?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

The key difference between the Charlie Hebdo case and the Muslims in India who indulge in unprovoked and deliberate desecration of very Sacred Hindu beliefs in India is that the latter have been at it in India for Centuries ( Not a few years or decades but Centuries). Furthermore all civilized means of trying to reason with Muslims have been tried over and over again with very little meaningful reciprocation. (IF this forum is anything to go by, I have been the most vocal poster on these topics and the utterly unhinged responses from well educated Muslims is shocking to say the least).

Even furthermore this unhinged and naked in-the-face type of bigotry is not restricted to cows. It includes extremely sacred Hindu Temples that have been destroyed and mosques built on top of them and Muslims stoutly refusing to vacate them, ethnic cleansing, countless acts of grave violence and the list goes on and on .... Hence why right wing Hindu vigilante groups no-longer try to take the civilized options when such rogue Muslim elements indulge in their bigotry.

Despite all of that mind numbing violent history which continues to this day you will rarely ever find any right wing Hindu group in India drawing a cartoon of your prophet or opening liquor pork shop besides mosques. This is the difference between the two sides. And let me assure you this comes from first hand experiences living besides Muslims in India.

but to answer your question .... I do not support anyone who deliberately indulges in violating religious beliefs of any community including Muslims. Not sure if you know this but India has laws which protect religious sentiments and free-speech cannot be used as an excuse to get away with such crimes. Free speech in India is not absolute and comes with restrictions.​

After how many years do you think it becomes ok to kill someone for a transgression?

 

[uppercut]

After how many years do you think it becomes ok to kill someone for a transgression?

By and large the correct sequence of events is like this:

1. Muslims in India deliberately indulge in desecrating sacred Hindu Beliefs
2. Hindus Respond violently (this is not always the case but for the sake of discussion lets assume that it is always the case)

So therefore the first order of business here is to address item# 1 (that is if civilized norms of dispute resolution is what you are aiming for)

Therefore you tell me from a Muslim perspective why such despicable acts are still happening in this day and age after Multiple centuries of Hindus trying civilized means to knock sense into Muslims.

From a Hindu perspective if Muslims don't deliberately keep desecrating our beliefs there wouldn't be a need for violent reaction. So the solution is ENTIRELY in the hands of Muslims.

 

[HalBass9]

Translation: You want full "Rights" for Muslims in India to indulge in desecrating very sacred Hindu beliefs with no consequences and repercussions. Anyone who gets in the way is the real bigot according to you.

And ?

Murdering over religious beliefs is bigoted and intolerant murder.

 

[HalBass9]

You are surely acting like one.

Funniest thing he believe he isn't

 

[Champ_Pal]

Lets get this thread back on topic. does furgle burgle exist?

Do you have a book given by Furgle Burgle hundreds of years ago? If that book says Lord Furgle exists and he watches every mistake every human makes and will punish you for not obeying his rules, then Lord Furgle exists.

 

[Patriot]

Dear Sweepy bhai,
The Adam and Eve story is only 2000 years old.

Shiva is being worshipped since 10,000 years old or more. Sanatan Dharma predates both Christianity and Islam.

According to Science, life began in Africa not India. People were worshipping God before anyone was even in India.

 

[Bhaijaan]

According to Science, life began in Africa not India. People were worshipping God before anyone was even in India.

Point being that Shiva is a Pre Vedic ancient deity, versions of whom have been prominent in various cults around the world and predates the origin of Islam by millenniums.

 

[Patriot]

Point being that Shiva is a Pre Vedic ancient deity, versions of whom have been prominent in various cults around the world and predates the origin of Islam by millenniums.

Your claim is that yours is the oldest. But it isn’t.

 

[sweep_shot]

Your claim is that yours is the oldest. But it isn’t.

Sanghis can claim anything. It doesn't make it true.

 

[Hitman]

‘Why didn’t God save Gaza’s children?’ asks Javed Akhtar​

During a debate on “Does God Exist?”, renowned lyricist Javed Akhtar questioned the existence of God by asking, “If he is really omnipotent, then why are children in Gaza suffering?”

A self-proclaimed atheist, Akhtar sparked widespread outrage in the Muslim community after he implied that God was watching the atrocities play out in Gaza, where over 35,000 children under the age of ten have perished, and several remain hungry in worsening condition since the Israeli military action began after October 7, 2023.

“If you really are omnipotent, omnipresent, then you must be present in Gaza as well, you must have seen the children’s condition, and you still want me to believe in you?” he asked.

He posed the question to Islamic scholar Mufti Shamail Nadwi during an academic dialogue. The debate, moderated by journalist and founding editor of The Lallantop Show, Saurabh Dwivedi, was a two-hour discussion on beliefs, reason, and evidence surrounding the will to believe in a divine presence.

Mufti Shamail had earlier said during the debate, “If you do not know, then do not claim that God does not exist.”

In response, Akhtar said that no philosopher or scientist alleges to know everything, and that humans should accept their ignorance instead of making absolute claims.

They also butted heads while discussing whether a decision becomes right when the majority supports it. A deep and oftentimes controversial debate, it touched on all topics to answer the question of the existence of God.

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Link: https://www.siasat.com/why-didnt-god-save-gazas-children-asks-lyricist-javed-akhtar-3314306/​

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

By and large the correct sequence of events is like this:

1. Muslims in India deliberately indulge in desecrating sacred Hindu Beliefs
2. Hindus Respond violently (this is not always the case but for the sake of discussion lets assume that it is always the case)

So therefore the first order of business here is to address item# 1 (that is if civilized norms of dispute resolution is what you are aiming for)

Therefore you tell me from a Muslim perspective why such despicable acts are still happening in this day and age after Multiple centuries of Hindus trying civilized means to knock sense into Muslims.

From a Hindu perspective if Muslims don't deliberately keep desecrating our beliefs there wouldn't be a need for violent reaction. So the solution is ENTIRELY in the hands of Muslims.

Does this apply only to Muslims living in India, or does it also apply to Muslims and Americans living in the US who play with your emotions every day? What concrete steps have you taken to address this while living in the US? And why do Hindus move to and live in countries like the UAE then? Do their Hindu beliefs get hurt only when they are in India?

I am sure you won't answer these questions and will run away again. I hope @HalBass9 asks you the same questions so you don't have any excuse to dodge them this time.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Maulana Madani shuts down fake Muslim claims that every Muslim should love his country.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2003320573217394832

 

[Champ_Pal]

This Maulana clearly stated that only Islam is the true religion and the rest are all fake. This is the guy to at was brought to debate Javed Saab. Shameful.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2003180759054737654

 

[DeadlyVenom]

This Maulana clearly stated that only Islam is the true religion and the rest are all fake. This is the guy to at was brought to debate Javed Saab. Shameful.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2003180759054737654

Were you expecting the maulana to say he believes in hinduism?

 

[Justcrazy]

I would encourage people who have seen this debate to see this talk between an atheist and Yasir nadeem .

This man better questions to Yasir Nadeem Wajhdi , and his responses.

 

[Justcrazy]

This Maulana clearly stated that only Islam is the true religion and the rest are all fake. This is the guy to at was brought to debate Javed Saab. Shameful.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2003180759054737654

That is exactly what you also claim , just that he believes Islam to be truth , where as you reject all.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

That is exactly what you also claim , just that he believes Islam to be truth , where as you reject all.

He rejects only Islam, he is actually a religious Hindu pretending to be an atheist here.

 

[Justcrazy]

He rejects only Islam, he is actually a religious Hindu pretending to be an atheist here.

I know he is a hindu , these days they pretend to be atheists to avoid been questioned.

 

[Theanonymousone]

This Maulana clearly stated that only Islam is the true religion and the rest are all fake. This is the guy to at was brought to debate Javed Saab. Shameful.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2003180759054737654

These are the extremists masquerading as religious scholars.

As a Hindu, I don't believe Christianity or Islam or any other religion is false. It is their faith and their own path in life. And they chose to follow it.

Calling others religion is false means you will not co-exist with them in that society. You don't need to believe in others religions but accept that there is another way of life. If you cant even accept that, its nothing but hiding till you become majority voice and then curb other religions.

Now I don't know if Quran teaches this or not to believe that other religions are false but many people here follow it.

I remember @DeadlyVenom pointing that if Muslims truly believe that their religion is superior, then whats wrong?
All the racism or discrimination arises from the same mentality. Why do we need to compare religions rather than accepting there are different ways of life and different faiths?

 

[Theanonymousone]

That is exactly what you also claim , just that he believes Islam to be truth , where as you reject all.

Do you reject his claim? Just wanted to understand what an average Muslim think of other religion.

Do they believe it to be false?

He rejects only Islam, he is actually a religious Hindu pretending to be an atheist here.

Do you also have same opinion?

 

[Justcrazy]

Do you reject his claim? Just wanted to understand what an average Muslim think of other religion.

Do they believe it to be false?

Do you also have same opinion?

Brother , If I believe in Islam naturally others are false for me.
For a practicing Hindu , others are false , same with Christian or Jew.

Islam is very clear in its positions , it says La Illah IlLalah

First it negates the existence of Gods and then Says Allah. In Arabic it is used to create weight in the sentence.

I do not know what are you atheist , Hindu , agnostic , but if I ask you which concept ( not religion ) sounds logical to you , One God who is above time and space , or multiple gods fighting each other which one will you think to be right ?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Do you reject his claim? Just wanted to understand what an average Muslim think of other religion.

Do they believe it to be false?

Do you also have same opinion?

I was talking about Champu bhai.

 

[Theanonymousone]

Brother , If I believe in Islam naturally others are false for me.
For a practicing Hindu , others are false , same with Christian or Jew.

Islam is very clear in its positions , it says La Illah IlLalah

First it negates the existence of Gods and then Says Allah. In Arabic it is used to create weight in the sentence.

I do not know what are you atheist , Hindu , agnostic , but if I ask you which concept ( not religion ) sounds logical to you , One God who is above time and space , or multiple gods fighting each other which one will you think to be right ?

I don't get the notion that multiple gods fighting each other. To give you context, the gods / deities in Hindu religion are avatars of God born to guide mankind. Their stories are a way to teach us the right and wrong. Most of our religious literature showcases points towards Dharma and these fights you have mentioned is to achieve that.

So, when a Hindu believes more in a particular God / deity, its not that they don't believe in others but from the perspective that the teachings from the religious literature of that God is closer to them.

I am not aware of Hindu religious literature teaching me that other religions as false. So, I don't believe that other religions are false. For us, all the Gods / Deities are incarnations / Avatars of One God.

And to co-exist, it is not logical for me to accept that other religion is wrong. This inherently creates a friction with other religions discrediting and disrespecting it.

And I don't know the solution for it. Because, when Muslims become majority, they will never co-exist with other religions as they believe they are false. And hence, the core problem exists today. On one side peaceful muslims say they want to co-exist, but there is a considerable % that wants Islam to be dominated and make everyone convert curbing others voices. Due to Islam’s stance on other religions, many of the neutral muslims also will stay silent in this fight when Muslims gain majority.

I am not demeaning any religion but addressing the core issue as per my understanding.

 

[Theanonymousone]

I was talking about Champu bhai.

I didnt quote you to pull your leg. But I see that you are a staunch opposer of Hindu extremism which I see among many Indians too. But never seen you criticizing the same on Islamic extremism.

Just wanted to understand your stance on this perspective that - Only Islam is true religion and other religions are false.

Do you think its not extreme? Because discrediting other religions at the core of your religious teachings is something I feel extreme.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I didnt quote you to pull your leg. But I see that you are a staunch opposer of Hindu extremism which I see among many Indians too. But never seen you criticizing the same on Islamic extremism.

Just wanted to understand your stance on this perspective that - Only Islam is true religion and other religions are false.

Do you think its not extreme? Because discrediting other religions at the core of your religious teachings is something I feel extreme.

Show me Islamic extremism in India first.

 

[Theanonymousone]

Show me Islamic extremism in India first.

Leave that. Thats not my point.

Whats your stance on this perspective that - Only Islam is true religion and other religions are false.

Do you think it’s not extreme?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Leave that. Thats not my point.

Whats your stance on this perspective that - Only Islam is true religion and other religions are false.

Do you think it’s not extreme?

Why shall I leave that? You said I don't criticise it. Show me Islamic extremism in India then.

 

[Theanonymousone]

Why shall I leave that? You said I don't criticise it. Show me Islamic extremism in India then.

I don't understand why you cannot answer a simple question.
Lets for a moment say, all the muslims are peaceful in India.

Please tell me

Whats your stance on this perspective that - Only Islam is true religion and other religions are false.

Do you think it’s not extreme?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I don't understand why you cannot answer a simple question.
Lets for a moment say, all the muslims are peaceful in India.

Please tell me

Whats your stance on this perspective that - Only Islam is true religion and other religions are false.

Do you think it’s not extreme?

If all Muslims in India are truly peaceful, then why does the term 'Islamic extremism' exist, and where did it originate from? Why were you asking me to criticise it?

Anyone who follows a religion will naturally claim that their own religion is true and superior. Why are you asking such childish questions here and still expecting answers?

 

[Theanonymousone]

If all Muslims in India are truly peaceful, then why does the term 'Islamic extremism' exist, and where did it originate from? Why were you asking me to criticise it?

Anyone who follows a religion will naturally claim that their own religion is true and superior. Why are you asking such childish questions here and still expecting answers?

No. Anyone following their religion will not consider others religion to be false.

If I say that my path is the only correct way in life, and others are false, isn't it absurd?? Its not Childish.

By the same logic, one can say that their race is superior, or their caste is superior or their community is superior.
But it’s discrimination and it’s not correct.

They are not something one can improve on like Skill-set through hard-work. Hence, it absolutely not logical to call race/religion/caste etc as superior.

I am not asking you to criticize anything. I asked your view. As you consider a basic argument to be childish because it doesn't go in your favor, it only shows your bias.

If everyone claims that their religion is superior and fight over it, how does one resolve it?? Thats the core issue now.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

No. Anyone following their religion will not consider others religion to be false.

If I say that my path is the only correct way in life, and others are false, isn't it absurd?? Its not Childish.

By the same logic, one can say that their race is superior, or their caste is superior or their community is superior.
But it’s discrimination and it’s not correct.

They are not something one can improve on like Skill-set through hard-work. Hence, it absolutely not logical to call race/religion/caste etc as superior.

I am not asking you to criticize anything. I asked your view. As you consider a basic argument to be childish because it doesn't go in your favor, it only shows your bias.

If everyone claims that their religion is superior and fight over it, how does one resolve it?? Thats the core issue now.

Don't put words in my mouth. I said that anyone will naturally consider their own religion superior, where did I say that fighting over it is justified? If you believe your religion is superior, that's your personal choice. How does that affect me in any way? I think you are the one getting affected here, not me.

Ask any Hindu or Christian which religion they believe is superior to them. Both your question and your arguments were childish. I wasn't even interested in having an argument with you, it was you who was asking me questions. Look at your posts above. Since it didn't go in your favour, you have started putting words in my mouth.

 

[uppercut]

By and large the correct sequence of events is like this:

1. Muslims in India deliberately indulge in desecrating sacred Hindu Beliefs
2. Hindus Respond violently (this is not always the case but for the sake of discussion lets assume that it is always the case)

So therefore the first order of business here is to address item# 1 (that is if civilized norms of dispute resolution is what you are aiming for)

Therefore you tell me from a Muslim perspective why such despicable acts are still happening in this day and age after Multiple centuries of Hindus trying civilized means to knock sense into Muslims.

From a Hindu perspective if Muslims don't deliberately keep desecrating our beliefs there wouldn't be a need for violent reaction. So the solution is ENTIRELY in the hands of Muslims.

@DeadlyVenom

No response ?

 

[uppercut]

Your claim is that yours is the oldest. But it isn’t.

Oldest surviving religion for sure.

 

[Justcrazy]

There is no such thing as “gods” in Hinduism. the Sanskrit/ Hindu word is “Devta” and in English it’s called “deities” probably derived from the same term.

The word for god is- Ishwar/ Bhagwan.

Hindus also beleive god is one. However the manifestation of god can be in multiple forms. That’s the concept most seem to grasp from Abrahamic religions.

As I said above the main philosophy of Hinduism is -all paths lead to god, be it you worship a deity, you are agnostic or even an atheist as long as you perform your dharma properly towards your family, profession, society.

For example- Muslims beleive in 1 god, however most will not get offended if someone says they don’t believe in god or god is fake/ doesn’t exist or even if they say something offensive about god.

However if someone says anything derogatory about the prophet (PBUH) people will get super triggered and violent. That comes from seeing the prophet as a symbol/representation of carrying the word of god. Same thing with Christians:Jesus or Mother Mary are seen as symbols/icons of Christianity. This more or less ventures in the deity category.

I am not saying you beleive this or not but that’s how the masses adopt most religions. You have a god but you also have some manifestation or symbolic representation.

The Hindu Gods have different attributes , they have different forms , different names , many times fighting each other . If you say all this are same , I would be interested to know from where did you draw this conclusion ?

Also , you said all paths lead to God we can worship or not it does not matter as long as Dharma is performed . So this God must have told us what Dharma is ?

 

[Justcrazy]

I don't get the notion that multiple gods fighting each other. To give you context, the gods / deities in Hindu religion are avatars of God born to guide mankind. Their stories are a way to teach us the right and wrong. Most of our religious literature showcases points towards Dharma and these fights you have mentioned is to achieve that.

So, when a Hindu believes more in a particular God / deity, its not that they don't believe in others but from the perspective that the teachings from the religious literature of that God is closer to them.

I am not aware of Hindu religious literature teaching me that other religions as false. So, I don't believe that other religions are false. For us, all the Gods / Deities are incarnations / Avatars of One God.

And to co-exist, it is not logical for me to accept that other religion is wrong. This inherently creates a friction with other religions discrediting and disrespecting it.

And I don't know the solution for it. Because, when Muslims become majority, they will never co-exist with other religions as they believe they are false. And hence, the core problem exists today. On one side peaceful muslims say they want to co-exist, but there is a considerable % that wants Islam to be dominated and make everyone convert curbing others voices. Due to Islam’s stance on other religions, many of the neutral muslims also will stay silent in this fight when Muslims gain majority.

I am not demeaning any religion but addressing the core issue as per my understanding.

I will answer your points , but I would like to ask you , where do you take your religion from ? How you access it ? Scriptures or just own philosophies?

 

[Theanonymousone]

I will answer your points , but I would like to ask you , where do you take your religion from ? How you access it ? Scriptures or just own philosophies?

Hindu religion has multiple literatures when we perform pooja. Those are parts of scriptures ideally from Bhagavadgita, Ramayan and other passed down scriptures from various people too.

 

[Theanonymousone]

The Hindu Gods have different attributes , they have different forms , different names , many times fighting each other . If you say all this are same , I would be interested to know from where did you draw this conclusion ?

For example in Ramayana, Lord Rama, our beloved deity fights Ravana and other people too. There are positive attributes to Ravana (who is essentially a demon) and few tribes worship him too in Srilanka. For Hindus, Lord Rama is someone an epitome of integrity but also consider few of his choices as wrong. His life story is depicted as Ramayana by Valmiki and its a lesson for Hindus. It doesnt say one has to follow these rules but showcases what is good and wrong and what is ‘Dharma’. Now whether its a mythology or it has really happened is a discussion for another day and still is a point of research by archeologists.

Ramayana is essentially a teaching for us to follow the path of Dharma.
Same with Bhagavatgita.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

@DeadlyVenom

No response ?

Awww, so cute. Look who is waiting for a response, the same guy who runs away when others question him. @DeadlyVenom

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

For example in Ramayana, Lord Rama, our beloved deity fights Ravana and other people too. There are positive attributes to Ravana (who is essentially a demon) and few tribes worship him too in Srilanka. For Hindus, Lord Rama is someone an epitome of integrity but also consider few of his choices as wrong. His life story is depicted as Ramayana by Valmiki and its a lesson for Hindus. It doesnt say one has to follow these rules but showcases what is good and wrong and what is ‘Dharma’. Now whether its a mythology or it has really happened is a discussion for another day and still is a point of research by archeologists.

Ramayana is essentially a teaching for us to follow the path of Dharma.
Same with Bhagavatgita.

Sun bhai, it's Bhagavad Gita, not Bhagavat Gita. At least get that right before giving lectures here on Hinduism and hindu religion.

The actual topic is an atheist vs a religious person but you are busy turning it into a religious vs religious debate and arguing about which religion is superior. If you are truly religious and gyani, debate a self-proclaimed atheist like Javed Akhtar's wannabe junior, Mr. Champu Akhtar, who openly claims God doesn't exist. Ask him whether he has the courage to say "God doesn't exist" while standing in the middle of Ram Mandir?

Let's see yours and Champu's debating skills in an atheist vs religious guy debate. Chances are you both will avoid it, because both of you are religious, difference is, you admit it, whereas he is hiding under the skin of an atheist.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

@DeadlyVenom

No response ?

Which belief of yours is being desecrated by same people for 1000 years?

 

[Theanonymousone]

Sun bhai, it's Bhagavad Gita, not Bhagavat Gita. At least get that right before giving lectures here on Hinduism and hindu religion.

The actual topic is an atheist vs a religious person but you are busy turning it into a religious vs religious debate and arguing about which religion is superior. If you are truly religious and gyani, debate a self-proclaimed atheist like Javed Akhtar's wannabe junior, Mr. Champu Akhtar, who openly claims God doesn't exist. Ask him whether he has the courage to say "God doesn't exist" while standing in the middle of Ram Mandir?

Let's see yours and Champu's debating skills in an atheist vs religious guy debate. Chances are you both will avoid it, because both of you are religious, difference is, you admit it, whereas he is hiding under the skin of an atheist.

I am not giving lectures on Hinduism but just giving a response to a question.

When you have no value to add, all you can think of is on the spelling mistakes? Lol.

You speak so passionately against anything remotely supporting Hinduism but disappear on Islamic extremism topics. One can also reply the same to you saying keep your lectures to yourself. It’s a discussion board and we are all here for harmless discussions aren't we?

 

[Local.Dada]

The Hindu Gods have different attributes , they have different forms , different names , many times fighting each other . If you say all this are same , I would be interested to know from where did you draw this conclusion ?

Also , you said all paths lead to God we can worship or not it does not matter as long as Dharma is performed . So this God must have told us what Dharma is ?

Did you even read anything I said before responding to me?

The word “deities” is different from god and deities have different attributes. It’s not “gods”, 2 different concepts.

Also you didn’t understand what dharma is- a doctor’a dharma is to treat or save lives of anyone without bias. That’s his/her dharma. You don’t have god to tell you that. Similarly a soldiers dharma is to kill or die on the battlefield.

Plenty of atheists who raised good family, take over of their old parents. That is
dharma. You are saying atheists are incapable of that?

We beleive if a person who doesn’t believe in god but is a good son, good husband, good father, good at his job and honest person and not toxic to society has as much of a value as someone who is devotional.

What did I fail to explain, I think I am just repeating the same thing above in a different tone.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I am not giving lectures on Hinduism but just giving a response to a question.

When you have no value to add, all you can think of is on the spelling mistakes? Lol.

You speak so passionately against anything remotely supporting Hinduism but disappear on Islamic extremism topics. One can also reply the same to you saying keep your lectures to yourself. It’s a discussion board and we are all here for harmless discussions aren't we?

Did you get triggered because I corrected you on Bhagavad Gita? And where exactly did I speak so passionately against Hinduism, show me. Hopefully, you won't run away again just like last time when you said I was posting against Indian army. And this is what trolls like you do when get cornered in a debate. Putting words in mouth and spitting lies. Show me where did I speak against Hindu religion. I am waiting...

And munna, I have contributed far more to this discussion than you have. You are the one turning this into a religious vs religious debate, when the actual topic is atheist vs religious. Why don't you debate someone like Mr. Champu Akhtar, a wannabe version of Javed Akhtar? According to him, hindu gods don't exist. Does that not affect you? I clearly said in my last post that I don't mind you believing your religion is superior. Now tell me what's worse? Me respecting your choice or Champu saying he doesn't think Hindu gods exist? Let's see what lie you come up with now because you didn't reply to my post yesterday and ran away when asked to show Islamic Extremism in India.

 

[anikrc1]

Did you get triggered because I corrected you on Bhagavad Gita? And where exactly did I speak so passionately against Hinduism, show me. Hopefully, you won't run away again just like last time when you said I was posting against Indian army. And this is what trolls like you do when get cornered in a debate. Putting words in mouth and spitting lies. Show me where did I speak against Hindu religion. I am waiting...

And munna, I have contributed far more to this discussion than you have. You are the one turning this into a religious vs religious debate, when the actual topic is atheist vs religious. Why don't you debate someone like Mr. Champu Akhtar, a wannabe version of Javed Akhtar? According to him, hindu gods don't exist. Does that not affect you? I clearly said in my last post that I don't mind you believing your religion is superior. Now tell me what's worse? Me respecting your choice or Champu saying he doesn't think Hindu gods exist? Let's see what lie you come up with now because you didn't reply to my post yesterday and ran away when asked to show Islamic Extremism in India.

Not believing in Hindu gods is not disrespecting Hindu religion. Hinduism is not about God, but atman, which wrongly gets translated into soul or spirit, but should be called self, neither that is truth, nor this is truth, you, the witness or the observer is the only truth. So not believing in gods is perfectly fine.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Not believing in Hindu gods is not disrespecting Hindu religion. Hinduism is not about God, but atman, which wrongly gets translated into soul or spirit, but should be called self, neither that is truth, nor this is truth, you, the witness or the observer is the only truth. So not believing in gods is perfectly fine.

You are wrong. There are two statements:

1. I don't believe in God, but I am not claiming God doesn't exist.

2. I believe gods do not exists.

First statement is from agnostic atheist and second one is from gnostic atheist. Mr. Champu Akhtar belongs to statement number 2.

 

[anikrc1]

You are wrong. There are two statements:

1. I don't believe in God, but I am not claiming God doesn't exist.

2. I believe gods do not exists.

First statement is from agnostic atheist and second one is from gnostic atheist. Mr. Champu Akhtar belongs to statement number 2.

There is nothing wrong in Hinduism even in saying God does not exist, in fact, before Buddhism came along, Vedas strictest competetion was from Sankhya, whose creator was Kapil Muni. Sankhya is materialistic and ignores creator God. Later vedic Hinduism appropriated Kapil muni and named him Maharishi Kapil like they did with Buddha. But Sankhya was clearly atheist.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

There is nothing wrong in Hinduism even in saying God does not exist, in fact, before Buddhism came along, Vedas strictest competetion was from Sankhya, whose creator was Kapil Muni. Sankhya is materialistic and ignores creator God. Later vedic Hinduism appropriated Kapil muni and named him Maharishi Kapil like they did with Buddha. But Sankhya was clearly atheist.

I think you are missing the point. Saying this in forums is easy but can you say the same thing directly in front of Hindus, that gods don't exist?

If you are okay with people saying God doesn't exist in Hinduism, then you shouldn't have a problem with people from other religions saying the same about Hinduism either. You have people like @uppercut here who are ready to slaughter Muslims for criticizing Hindu beliefs, yet you seem fine with others openly believing that Hindu gods don't exist. It looks like there is no real unity, everyone follows their own version of Hinduism.

 

[uppercut]

Which belief of yours is being desecrated by same people for 1000 years?

See post# 189. Mainly cows and temples.